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Ron Ward (Ronward)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Planning a trip to the Green Mountain State and wonder if any Vermonters on the D-web could share some insite. We'll be visiting Rovers North and want to know something about the neighboring towns of Westford. Nice places to stay? Nice places to live? What are the best small towns around? Thanks for helping.

Ron Ward
 

Jack Quinlan (Jsq)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Middlebury is a great little town.

Of course, I'm probably only saying that because I went to school there for a little while, but then again that experience made some people say just the opposite
 

94Rover
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

What a cool trip Ron. Please take some pics to post on D-Web. I've always wanted to take a trip to Vermont, oops I mean Rovers North, or did I really mean Vermont? Anywho, it should be a very cool getaway- Can you take a pic of any oddities that you see at Rovers North? I know it sounds like a stupid request, but I thought I would ask- Hey, you could probably even post the pictures of Rovers North on Ebay and sell them :-)

94Rover
 

TPH (Snowman)
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hi Ron-
The Rovers North crew are very nice people and will welcome you in for sure. Get good directions because it's easy to miss along route #128. Westford is very, very small and might have a B&B nearby but that would be about it. Burlington is close (30 minutes) and there are many great places to eat and a Radisson Hotel which looks out onto Lake Champlain. From there you could walk to the downtown area for music, food, shopping ect. What exactly do you want to do ski, shop, eat, buy real estate? I will help you if I can.

S-
 

Ron Ward (Ronward)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Snowman,

Thanks for the intell. Just planning alittle getaway at this point. Have some frequent fly miles. Never been to Vermont but really want to go in the spring. Rovers North is the destination, but there's got to be other stuff to see and do. Might be a place to relocate too one of these days.

Ron Ward
 

Tom Rowe
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ron, I assume you're flying into Burlington. But if you're flying into Boston or Hadley, you'll be driving right by DAP in Sprinfield on your way to RN.

Move to VT? I don't know. It's a hotbed of libealism there. They have the only socialist represenative in the US Congress. My god, homosexuals can even take part in civil ceremonies akin to marriage. VT also had in their constitution a provision to reconsider membership in the Union. Can't remember when that was due to come up, but I think it was the mid-late '90's.

I can't wait to move back home....
 

adtoolco
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Yea, thats all there if you want to look for it, but the mountains are beutifull, land is cheap, the wheeling is excellent, the skiing isn't too bad either, and the firearms laws are pretty liberal as the citenzenry is mostly responsible for their own protection.

-Chris
 

adtoolco
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Oh, I forgot to mention the great fishing and hunting.
 

Ron Ward (Ronward)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Yeah, I don't make a habit of getting all lathered up about the political climate so long as my personal liberties and those of my children are not infringed upon. However, if higher taxes are the result of some of the things Tom talks about then that deserves special attention.

Ron Ward
 

TPH (Snowman)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

There not.
 

gp (Garrett)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

hell all you need is a valid hunting license and you can tote around anything on your hip you like.
i never had an issue with the political agenda of Vermont or the people representing it.
actually i found that the 'colorful' people that lived in the state only made it more interesting. who the hell wants to live in a town with a fucking fast food joint on every corner, white people in ties reading the paper and talking about their new Cadillac Escalade at the local Starbucks, traffic going to and from work every day, paying $6 for a shit bottle of Bud and paying $225K for a piece of shit condo? not me.
i loved VT and would move back in a second for the right reasons. hell....i have the right reasons now, but i am too much of a pussy to commit to going back and not making the money i want.
sure VT has it's fair share of dimwits, but in opinion DC and other such cities are brimming with more of them per capita.
give me a good beer, some good slopes, good people and good food and good way of life and i am happy. not all of us can or want this, but for those of you who can and do........enjoy it. you are lucky SOBS. :)
i just got back from Maine yesterday and feel the same about that place. those people have their shit straight and agendas in the right order. just a whole different lifestyle. was at Sunday River on Saturday. very nice!!!
if you are asking about towns to live in i prefer the north. the south is getting full of Mass/Conn folks buying up houses and increasing the housing costs. northern VT has it's share of great towns and villages all over. just spend a day driving around and getting to know the areas. i lived in Burlington, Winooski and Hinesburg. from the very rural to urban (if you can call it that). loved all the places i lived. you really can't go wrong there. i am not fond of Brattleboro, but to each is own. i like the north-west part since it has Lake Champlain at your doorstep and Stowe, Smuggs, Jay Peak and tons of other great ski areas with an hours drive. and then of course you have Montreal within 1.5 hours.
 

TPH (Snowman)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

GP-
I went to the VT Brew Pub Saturday night with friends and thought to myself , "Hey that dude on Dweb likes this place". Very weird.

S-
 

gp (Garrett)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

should have ordered up a nice Guinness shake!!! they are not on the menu, but they will make you one. better than you might think. yeah i like that place a lot. if you were standing on the patio before you walked in the front door, my old office was directly behind you on the top floor. great views of the lake. ahhhhhh. the good ol days. hope you had a nice Burley Irish Ale for me!!
 

David Marchand (Dmarchand)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Wish I found this thread before this past weekend. I was in town, down at Nectar's Saturday night, watching my brothers band the Boston Horns play.

Would have been good to recruit some Dwebbers to come on down.
 

gp (Garrett)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

ahhhhh Nectars. cool joint. saw Blue Rodeo play there a few years back. did you get some gravy fries? haha.
 

Jack Quinlan (Jsq)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

picture of nectar anyone?


rutland is worse than brattleboro.
easily one of the worst towns in vt.

i had a great time hunting in VT and it was the one way I broke the town/gown stigma going to club midd in one of the poorest states in the union. I went turkey hunting before class and I walked to the spot from my dorm. And this was in 1998! I actually had a mom driving her kids to school pull over as I walked down the road back to campus to ask me where I'd been and if I'd seen any birds!

Now let's talk about the difference between VT and NH. VT is everything NH should be but isn't. Every vermonter wants to come back some day and every kid in New Hampshire can't wait to get out. Of course, i'm generalizing but I spent a bunch of time in both states and difference is striking.
 

gp (Garrett)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

yeah rutland ain't too purty either. not much there. went and saw the Buena Vista Social Club movie there in town at some little theatre. great flick.
don't have a pic of Nectars. that what you are asking for? haha.
at one point i lived on a working farm of about 2K acres in Hinesburg (20 min from Burlington). was amazing. had a roommate that kept our fridge full of venison all year long. made some kick ass dinners that's for sure. cooking out on the grille in sub freezing temps was the norm. :)
 

charlie
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Just finished a road trip DC -> Quebec two days ago. I spent two years of highschool life in the northeast of VT. beautiful place, miss it a lot, but my gf hated it. After all, we live in CA now and it was freezing while we were there.
---Charlie
 

gp (Garrett)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

my advice. get a new girlfriend. :)
 

Tom Rowe
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I was being sarcastic ;-)

I love VT, miss it terribly. True about southern VT getting expensive due to influx of people having second homes. That is one thing that really frustrates me. There have been several attempts to place higher taxes on second homes of non-residents (it's getting REALLY hard for people to be able to afford to live AND work in VT) but it's always defeated citing tourism effects. BTW, you're not a native Vermonter untill about 5th generation ;-)

Taxes aren't bad in VT. NH doesn't have them. I've had to receive welfare for short periods when I lived in VT. My best friend has a severly developmently disabled son who the state was assiting educationally, and VT has been good in letting him, with couple other families, set up a situation that in the long run saves the state a good deal of money. It was not a "standard" arrangement, but they showed it would be cheaper, and the state was flexible enough to let them do it. They didn't have to go by the book. I've been told things like that are alot harder to acheive in NH.

VT is pretty much a live and let live place. Of course, just like anywhere, there are people who think it's their business to mind YOUR business. As an example, a great skinny dipping hole is little used now, becuase it was so evil. People couldn't get it shut down for being evil, but they managed to get the town to close off the area where people parked, because it was a traffic "hazard". Sad but true.

There are still some fun roads there that are "closed" in the winter. :-)

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