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Grant Lawson (Grant)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 06:39 pm: | 
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I want them but some are talking me out of it!!
These will be for off roading only, on spare rims.
anyone with insight/experience with gearing, broken half shafts or rubbing with OME MD lift and the fender relocate in the tech section PLEASE BACK ME UP, or tell me a horror story. Second thoughts are bursting my bubble!!!
Grant |
isaac fain (Searover)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 06:46 pm: |
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yeah - don't buy them. if you're considering a tire purchase without seeing first hand on the trail the need for larger or more aggressive tires for off-road, then just keep the cash in your pocket right now and run what you brung.
my .02 |
Grant Lawson (Grant)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:01 pm: |
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the overwhelming majority here in Ontario, and in my club in particular, is 245 75 16. I want the added height and the thinner tire. Stock tires and my lift are alright but just doesn't "look" right. I am getting MT's or AT's, that is for sure, it is just that in the US 235-85-16 seem to be favored, and my club mates that have already upgraded are running the before mentioned.
.....Grant |
isaac fain (Searover)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:14 pm: |
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the two sizes are close enough that there isn't any real difference in terms of drivetrain strain. Pick the one that suits the terrain for where you play. |
Keith Kreutzer (Revor)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 08:37 pm: |
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37-12.50/17 now that's a tire!!! But in the winter we're running 235-85/16 BFG AT's's on factory alloys for summer 32-11.50/15 BFG MT's on steel rims... Until they wear out that is... then perhaps the AT's will do, except for serious trail duty... Then we'll put on some Swamper SSR's |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 09:42 pm: |
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Grant,
I ran 245/75R16 on my first Disco. It's a fine size, I trimmed a little but you can push the rear quarters out instead... I barely noticed a decrease in acceleration, not worth worrying over.
With the 235/85R16, you'd need a little bit of a lift... 1" would do, but that's almost a custom job; almost all aftermarket springs are for a 2" lift, which works fine (like your OMEs); still need a touch of trimming, but it's not noticable.... It's stock width, but since it is taller than the 245/75 you'll gave a bit more ground clearance... It would be a bit slower on takeoff too, but, still not unbearable.
Thing is, a gear-swap would help make it feel faster, and also improve your crawling. You're not any more likely to break an axle if you went to 235/85 over 245/75...
If going to be on other wheels, I'd consider 235/85 to be a minimum size. Although I went with 245/75 so I didn't have to get springs at the time, when I do it again when I get the wife's Disco I'll go w/ 235/85s.....
-L |
Robert Sublett (Rubisco98)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 09:59 pm: |
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I've got OME HD lift, and rear fender relocation, 235/85's no problem, no rubbing, no cutting. Go for it.. I posted a pic in the Non Tech yesterday, but here is a pic, you can see I have plenty of room.. Go for it.. |
Robert Sublett (Rubisco98)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 10:00 pm: |
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Oh, and I've not broken anything due to larger tires as of today... |
Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 10:43 pm: |
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I hated my 245's and they only lasted 15K miles. When I went to 235's my speedo came back to acturate from being 5 mph off. I also like them better for all around wheeling. |
Grant Lawson (Grant)
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 11:32 pm: |
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Thanks everyone , keep it coming, maybe they (you guys know who you are) are just jealous,
HA HA!!
Grant |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 12:53 am: |
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235/85r/16 Dunlop R/Ts - running fine with OME 2" HD lift and no breakages as of tonight. I personally think this size and dimension of tire looks right on a Land Rover - tall, thin and aggressive if you prefer it!
Cheers,
e |
Keith Kreutzer (Revor)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 01:11 am: |
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Slight trimming at the rear of the fenderwell
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Keith Armstrong
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:30 am: |
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I've run the 7.50/16's and 235/85's also. I was not pleased with the reduced overall gearing with either of these taller tires and changed diff gears to 4.10's from GBR.
With the OME HD's front and rear and the 4.10's I decided that last year's trip to Moab should be preceded by installation of HD axles just in case, but I had no parts damage before that or since. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:58 am: |
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grant,
235/85-16. feel the love. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:21 am: |
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but what brand of 235/85-16 i wonder????
rd |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:47 am: |
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235/85-16 BFG M/Ts and don't look back, you'll get the size and agressive tread that will rarely leave you wanting something more and road manners won't be that bad either. |
Ron Ward (Ronward)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 12:01 pm: |
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235 85 R16 MT's...the sign of a true Jedi.
Ron Ward |
Jason Johnson (Discomojo)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 05:38 pm: |
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As cheap ass as they may seem Futura Enforcers. Will last as long or longer than BFG's at two thirds the price and they are quiet as comparted to the BFG IMO. I have had great success with them and have had my set for nearly 20k with a considerable amount of off road abuse. Also, Pep Boys (where I got mine) will give you a free balance and rotation at every 5000 miles-rotation I could care less about (in fact LR recommends against it) but balancing is important. |
Brian Dickens (Bri)
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 08:43 pm: |
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I ran the BFG MTs for years. I have been running the Interco Trxus MT for about 6 months. They are about 2/3 the price of the BFG MT as well and have much more side wall tread, in addition to some minor siping. I prefer their performance especially when considering price. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:57 am: |
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I have the Rovertym lift with 235/85-16 BFG A/T. I have some rubbing, but I didn't cut very much either. This set is my 12th set of them in around 15 years. I have about 50K on this set and the wear is barely noticeable. I once got 110K out of a set and they had acceptable tread when the vehicle was sold. I hear folks complain about off-road performance, but I can't ask for more as I have surmounted obstacles those with me couldn't with BFG M/Ts!
I had a set of Cooper muds in the past and was not pleased with them.
Tires are something you should think long and hard about when making a purchase. Not that I'm a safety nerd or anything but tires are a pretty critical component and I feel far more confident knowing I have fairly good ones beneath my truck.
Paul
Junior Jedi as I don't have the muds, but do have 235/85-16 A/T! |
Jack Quinlan (Jsq)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:51 pm: |
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Jedi as long as you don't go in soft sand. If you plan to be more of a jawa or sand person you might be better off with A/Ts in stead of M/Ts. M/Ts have a habit of "digging" in soft sand even at low psi. That's fine in mud, but not so great in the dry stuff. Oh, and don't forget to travel single file to hide your numbers. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:54 pm: |
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You'd definitely be better off w/ an A/T if you do mostly sand. I usually switch back to my stock michelins when I hit the beach. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:19 pm: |
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Jason,
i liked the grip of Futura Enforcers - but to say they'd last as long as BFGs... a big overstatement to me. I haven't put 10kmi on my set of Futuras, and they are already down to about 1/4" of thread left. For a BFG tire, A/T or M/T, it takes at least 30kmi to bring the thread depth from 17/32 to a quarter-inch.
peter |
honu
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:34 pm: |
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futuras rock for the money. i dont know what kind of driving peter does, but I have them and have over 15 thousand on them and they are running strong. i take them all the way to cabo and back. they have seen a lot of trail use. and i was blown away that they were able to survive two three month long baja trips. you cant go wrong at 79.00 dollars a pop |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:57 pm: |
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futuras are up to $95 a pc locally and thats not installed. becasue pep boys knows they dont fit the truck
peter, you need to run the futura's at about 55psi to get the life
rd |
John Henley (Johnhenley)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:34 pm: |
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buy my MT/r's - 425 for 5!
Seriously, MT/r's will do well on and off road and are very good in the snow/ice. It would take an awful lot of convincing to get me away from Goodyear MT/r's as a serious off road tire with great road use.
After 2500 miles mine are only worn about 2/32's.
Seriously, I ran 245's for a while, and I thought they sucked. 215/80r16 or 235/85/16 for a mild rig are perfect.
j |
hendrik
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 03:39 pm: |
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I don´t see why a Disco I (later type with 24spline axles) should be more prone to breaking something than a Defender Ninety as it has a very (if not identical) similar rear axle and diffs and has the 235/85-16 size as standard.
Exception is the front axle, the CV joint to be precise. No one knows why but Rover changed to a 32spline front halfshaft at the outer end that comes with weaker CVs on the Disco.
BTW: anyone using the Goodyear Wrangler AT/R. Relatively new tire and I like to ask about others experience with it. So far 2 from 2 owners I heard of liked it. Must have a good strong sidewall.
regards |
damn caps
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 05:04 pm: |
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HAS IT OCCURED TO YOU THAT THE DISCO IS HEAVIER THAN THE DEFENDER? |
hendrik
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:18 pm: |
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Good point, 1:0 for you 
On the other hand: the axles for the Ninety (hopefully) are made for a vehicle which is lighter when unladen but has about the same permitted GVW as the Discovery (max. 2,8 to with h/d suspension). |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:36 pm: |
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john henley,
where are you getting 5 mtr's for 425 in 235/85/16???
the world would like to know |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:52 pm: |
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I like Keith's idea. hhhhmmmmmm....37". I wonder what I could go over with those? |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:54 pm: |
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bTW...I have 265.75. futura right now. They have been fine but the sidewalls are a bit soft and the lugs get torn up on the rocks, but considering the price I think I would buy them again. Plus Pepboys will give a road hazard warranty and they will honor it. |
Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 08:32 pm: |
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Dunlop Radial Rover R/T's in 7.5R16.
Size is right. Tire is great. Hey, it even says Rover.
Secretly, it's the tire brand Ho has always coveted. I've seen the way he looks at my wifes truck.
Jeff |
hit me again hick man
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 08:42 pm: |
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firestone SAT's up here in canada. they seem to work well in all conditions or super swampers... that is the way i would go... 90 percent off road and in four low |
Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 09:27 pm: |
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"john henley,
where are you getting 5 mtr's for 425 in 235/85/16???"
yes - where is this???
Jaime |
Todd Phenneger (Toddp)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 03:49 am: |
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Dunlop Radial Rover R/T's. 245/75-16. 500 miles, just went off road for the first time. Got stuck once in deep muddy water. Tires are quieter than BFG AT's, Better in Mud than AT's but worse than MT's. Are durable, Load E rated (I tow a lot so thats important). Get great treadwear from what I've heard, and I've heard they are great in Snow but I haven't found any Snow Yet. :-)
Oh yea, Minor rear cutting, got a slight rub when offroad and backing up over large rear stump. But only that once. If I would have cut 1mm more I'd never rub. :-( I'll re-cut later, for now its fine.
$460 mounted and balanced with Tax at Discount Tire. I thought it was a decent price.
l8r
Todd |
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