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R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
No prize for the winner, but I wanted to see what your reaction would be. In the first photo you see my hand easily making a fist around the "A" arm in the independent front suspen, with arrows pointing to interesting bits of rust. In the second photo you can see the entire front suspen area, with arrows pointing to the top and bottom of the front shock. The shock is smaller than a standard Discovery shock, shorter and not as large a diameter. So, what kind of car is it? And why are these things that I point out significant?...

image{sus1}
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
OK, lets try again...
sus1
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Again...

susp
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
And, image two...

suspend
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I would says its a newer model GM truck/suburban,tahoe,....or it could even be an H2 Maybe?
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
RB...no idea other then you need a tan!:)
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
second pic is looking very GM
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
HEY, that's a flash I used there!
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yea, I agree, it looks very GM....also, the tires look like they might be BFG ATs, so that made me think it could be an H2
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
just messing with you...R.B.:)
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
very thick sway bar to control overly heavy body on light ass chassis...access that allows you to reach in and grab the A arm...sounding more and more H2 by the second
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
you know somethings a piece of shit when it rusts before the stickers fade
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
MM,
same thing i was thinking.Plus, everything under there looks pretty new (aside from teh surface rust)...so, R.B., what is it ? :)
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
aluminum skid sheild ...H2
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
look how they fold the aluminum to make it stiff

this thing will collapse first real blow it takes...H2 shit

H2 skid
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
It is an H2, you guys are good. Not only that, but it is a brand new H2 being displayed at the International Auto Show in Portland today.

I have looked over H1's and have been very impressed with the engineering in the gearing, and suspen, and drive train. But this... This is just a glorified Suburban - and it looks like a badly proportioned Tonka-Toy! They are ugly as sin! Actually, I would rather have a Subruban than this. How can it possibly get good articulation out of a shock that small - I'm not kidding, it is smaller than the stock shocks on my Discovery!

http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
"How can it possibly get good articulation out of a shock that small - I'm not kidding, it is smaller than the stock shocks on my Discovery! "

It cant, LOL, you ever seen an H2s front suspension flex?

Yea, the H2 seems wimpy. Very unlike the H1. I had a chance to play around with a (SWEET!) brand new H1 this past week and it seemed pretty solid in every aspect.
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
yep they suck shit like you cant believe

I laugh at all the guiys that panned me for saying that inthe first H2 thread that came up here.

the truth is I layed under one of these pieces of shit for about an hour right before that first thread and the have so much stamped steel crap and pretend off road in these its pathetic!

just look at that steering rod? thats thinner then the one on my Garden tractor...really it is


Good call Will:)
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
the funny thing is these things suck in serious off roaders...tom pearson jumped into that thread saying he would love one??? his disco would drive circles around one of these things then pull it out of the puddle that stopped it.

its really to bad that AM general sold the name rights to GM. the fact it shares the same name sake as a truley awsome off-road truck like the H1 is just sad.

just wait they will be a dime a dozen in a few years and all those fancy dealerships they built will be selling Camero's and vetts
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thanks, MM

That tie rod is pathetic. About 95% of that "truck" is pathetic(at least for a "truck") It is smaller than the one on my garden-tractor too.
 

Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Musky,
That'd be kinda hard, given that the Camaro (and Firebird) have now gone the way of the Dodo...


Just wait 'til someone tries to go jumping curbs at a mall and ends up not being able to drive it home afterwards.....


-L
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
lol...my bad...shows how close I follow those quality cars from GM


look at that pethetic rod? what are they thinking
 

94Rover
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Leslie, those 2 cars will return again. The Z is back, and it was to never return- Nissan did some clever marketing when they stopped production on the 300Z, and voila' the Z returned. The Thunderbird was to never return also- but it came back. Staple "models" always return sooner or later.

Now I wish the Chevy Chevelle would return.

94Rover
 

GregH
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
With GM it'd probably be built on a fwd Saturn platform with big Chevelle decals!

GregH
 

muskyman
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
lol...yep...1970 chevelle SS 450 hp 454 11.25:1 compression that was a real motor
 

Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
My brother has his '73 Camaro still, but I let the '76 T/A go long ago....

Thing is, for a little while I toyed with the idea of maybe looking for an older Firebird to have as a project... but, a couple of things put that idea to rest.... first is, although at the time I loved the ugly thing, I have to say that, while I still kinda like the lines, I just really can't see me driving a screaming chicken again... Also, the old Rover is enough of a project anyway, I need another like I need an extra hole in my head..... and, the dang little Roo is becoming more interesting...

Maybe one day, I'll look for an extra project, but not for a long time......

++++++++++++++

Yeah, they may return.... hey, the GTO is on the way back, but.... I dunno, it's kinda like the Cougar... resurrect it onto a different platform, and it just doesn't mean the same anymore.... it's one thing to evolve, it's another to kill it then bring it back later, IMHO....

-L
 

94Rover
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
To add to my post about cars that return, today as I was driving I saw three more cars that I wasn't even thinking about when I posted earlier to Leslie-

VW Bug, Mini Cooper...more to come I'm sure-

soon to return, and we will all be waiting for it- The Land Rover Defender!
 

muskyman
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
VW Bug, Mini Cooper


one double(bug) and one outa the park homerun (cooper)

I bug just isnt a bug unless it has lift throttle oversteer...the original was so fun to drive
 

Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
And you couldn't beat the torsion springs no matter how hard you tried.
 

Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco)
Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
And the original Bug is much more stout that an H2, Flash over function, very sad.
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
" And the original Bug is much more stout that an H2, "

How true :)

I remember as a kid, my dad going places with an old bug in Brazil that most H2 owners wouldn't think of going. And if you ever got stuck it was a matter of two people lifting the bug out of the hole and on you went. We did have an old Jeep but the bug took us most places.
 

Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I had a buddy slide off an on-ramp in his bug and rolled it. Got out, rolled it back upright, and drove on.......

:)


-L
 

Patriot
Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I was gonna say....I'll buy the H2 before i buy a D2 only because GM is American. Then I realized....so is FORD!!!! :-)
 

Dee
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thom,

The H2 is not for Off Road its to give the impression that it can go off road... Think of it as a Faux Off-Road Vehicle... AKA Urban Shopping Vehicle
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 02:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
when i went home a friend/acquantance of mine that used to have a big chevy on 44's, got his dad's pizza shop and decided he needed a real off roader. So he got an h2, lol. He put 35x12.50 boggrs on it. He takes it offroad and says its awesome, but when I asked him to go with me cuz i wanted to see what it could do, he made exscuse after exscuse for 4 weeks. So obviously they suck.
 

Rob Davison (Pokerob)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
the H2 looks pretty damn beefy underneath, i'd say it would hold up alot better offroad than most SUV's including the freelander.

rd
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Rob,

did you glance right by the start of this thread?

did you happen to see the steering rod there?

Damn thing cant be more then 1/2"

how long would a half inch drag link or tie rod last on your truck with the offroading you have done?

read Dee's comment above...these things are all image...Faux Off-Road Vehicle... AKA Urban Shopping Vehicle


nothing more
 

Joe Blow
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I agree that the H2 is no real off-roader. Uncle Mike has one and it sux! But you are all missing the point. This car is for picking up women. They don't care if the suspension can really articulate. But somehow their legs instantly articulate when they hop in this car! ;)
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I'm sure there are women out there that I could pick up with a lowered Honda Civic and wheels that stick out 12" from the body of the car but that's not the kinda women I would want much less the reason I own ANY car for.
 

Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I feel kinda stupid but I have no idea what a steering rod is. Would someone be able to enlighten me?

Chris
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
well, i've seen an H2 going through a trail that is listed as a beginners' by some, and by "most difficult" by others. there were a few tight spots, and two "rock gardens" along the way.
There was an H2 among the rovers, and it fared rather well, given its ugly nature: here's one example.
I had a feeling that the owner was sweating bullets, over both driving and pinstriping - on a trail that's no-brainer for an almost-stock D1.
When he told me he paid 52k for it and it was a super deal, i thought i could have 3-5 cherry LWB rangies for this money and be way ahead of the game.

peter
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
H2's have a rack and pinion style steering system ,the sterring rod transfers the turning force from the rack to the wheel. it is circled in red

H2 skid
 

Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I just saw the new Motor Trend today and they had letters pouring in about why the H2 wasn't SUV of the year. The guy at Motor Trend said in his response "[The H2] needed a shift into low range to finish a hillclimb the Volvo's high-tech AWD scrabbled up without drama." I dont' know about you but that seems funny to me.

Chris
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
my younger brother was at the Hummer dealer in Milwaukee and they had hummer mt bikes ontop of the hummers. the sales man told him its a great bike it only weighs 4lbs!....shocked my younger brother says wow thats less then any mt bike made your full of it. the sales man said are you calling me a liar...John said how much does it weigh...the dealer said 4lbs I weighed it myself...john said yes I am calling you a liar.

so I think theres a patern here
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
a two-kilo bike? I want one!

oh wait... it may also cost 55 grand.
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
no he picked one up...26 or 27lbs he said nothing special
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
http://www.elcova.com/h2/album.html
go and read its hillarious talking about their real suv one dude's tag is I8AROVR LOL
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
come on somebody post a link to this thread in their forum, you know it has to be done...... :) :)
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
go here
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
this is on there tech board

tissue tech
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
for all the guys that think this bashing is baseless

Quote:

posted January 07, 2003 06:58 PM
Tonka,

What have you heard concerning the front end failures?

The reason I ask is, I was at the local dealer here in Jacksonville and decided to walk back and check out some work being done on an H2.

It turns out that the right steering knuckle and/or spindle had broken. The mechanic doing the work said the owner was on the road travelling arounf 15 mph when the wheel came off.

The service mgr. happens to be a good friend and also one of my customers. When I approached him and ask, What's with the wheel coming off on the H2, he replied"bad casting in the metal".
He also said the same thing as the mechanic about how it happened, and believe the owners story. Said he knows the customer and that's probably what happened.

This is the only failure they've had concerning the spindle or steering knuckle.

I know these parts are common on the 3/4 C/K's, but the C/K don't weigh as much either.

Just curious to what you might may heard.

Thanx



off-road ready?
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
or this

h2
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
what is the address to this thread,
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
blake do we really want them here??...tissue techy's that they are?
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Errr, Muskyman why are you listed as an "H2 veteran" over there???? You got something in your garage you don't want us to know about??? :)
 

Rob Davison (Pokerob)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
thom, well, i have to say, my friends 1990 rangfe rover trailing artms seem to be 1/2 OD compared to 1" od on my '89

are you saying the 1990 range rover is not good for offroad? or maybe you just spotted the weak link?

i think over all the truck is fairly HD aside from that one part :)

rd
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
wooo hoooo, I just joined the H2 party over there. Thanks for setting that up Thom
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Damn looks like deleted all your posts though Musky
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
yea I'm banned allready


seams they are real pussies over there

fawking tissue tech
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
what do you think they need the tissue for?? It's to wipe up when they are done douching.
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
the weird thing is that they pulled every thread that talked about the wheels falling off and I wasent the only one that posted stuff.

there where a couple threads that I did not post in that had pics of hummers with missing front wheel/knuckle assemblies and now they are gone as well???

makes you wonder who is really behind the scenes on that site?

I spent a buncha time reading almost that whole site last night and there are really some failure issues with these things.

I cant believe a independent forum would pull threads one after the other because one guy came on and said these things are crap?

so much for having faith in your online community to police there own...in all my time here on dweb I think i remember like 3 or 4 threads that these guys pitched and that was because the porn/age group invloved. If a safety issue really came up that threatened to expose a short cut LRNA took to save money I know in my haert these guys would never pull the thread to cover it up.

well as I said in the first H2 thread here time will tell and it looks like its not taking to much time or to many vehicles on the road to show these things are underbuilt.

thom
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
quick, check out my reply to this one before they delete it:

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=2606011751&m=1076008912
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
another interesting observation: Their offroading forum has the fewest posts out of all of them.
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
That h2 forum is funny shit. good posts muskyman and carter. i'm gonna have to go piss on there gaypride parade and start posting over there
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
damn, I'm banned. Thom, did you save any of those threads w/ the H2s missing wheel assemblies???

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=3696036222
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I like the qoute where a guy says

a stock h2 will outperform any jeep with mods.

can somebody out there with photoshop put an h2 doing some rockcrawling and post it here so I can use it against them?
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Go forth young one and complete my work :)
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
just got this

Dear muskyman,

The site administrators have removed your access rights:

I understand that you have an opinion and your opinion is as valid as anyone elses. However, there is no reason to post the same message over and over. This is especially true in posts where opinions are not asked for. Thanks for visiting the site.

fawking H2 pussies
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Quote:

a stock h2 will outperform any jeep with mods.



if it fits between the trees or rocks, that is.

peter
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I see Will's joined the party too!!!!

Seriously these guys are pansy-asses, I know I'm gonna regret it later but someone needs to give them an invite to come play witht he big boys. I'd do it now but I'm banned.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I got this Thom:

Dear Carter,

The site administrators have removed your access rights:

There is one rule on this board: respect others. As of now, your posting rights have been suspended due to violating that rule. If you have something constructive or informative to share with the community, please let me know and I will consi

***at this point he cuts his sentence short (I think he had to go change his tampon)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Someone ask them why they deleted my semi serious post about their steering rods but left my other flames in the thread alone??? I am assuming someone in the ranks of GM must run this thing, first they delete those posts about problems with the front wheel assemblies and now this.
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
my post is gone too? i think it was there for like 2 minutes
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Sorry guys I had to do it. When you try to cover up legitimate short-comings of the vehicle you are suposedly running an open forum about thats just bull-shit.

And hey what are they gonna do, come over here and say "well everytime my POS breaks I just bring it back to the dealer because I'm too incompetent to do anything myself"???
 

TPH (Snowman)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
H2 attack squadron-
I enjoyed your adventure into the H2 forum. Although I don't totally agree with everyone's tactics it was a blast reading the posts and I recommend everyone else do the same. I would cut them a bit more slack but man that was some funny stuff. I see it as people who are excited about their new truck and have found fun in it, so be it.

S-
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Glad you enjoyed yourself Snowman. Heres some more quality footage (this ones even a picture of the month):

thatsasuckyassexcuseforarticulationmygirlfriendsintegracanflexbetterthanthatbreadbox

Man, thats EXTREEEEEEME but I thought it was considered a bad thing to lift a tire off the ground??? My girlfriend's Integra can flex better than that bread-box.
 

andy thoma
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
They mention a jeep war that happened in the past. I wonder what was said and how many people got banned?

Also funny the Gwagon, LR's, and jeep rubicons are nitche vehicles according to them. But the h2 is not? Don't they even listen to gm's advertisments in reguards to the offroad ablity of the h2? I would think that the recovery points and front and rear receiver hitchs, and the 32" bfg tires would imply that the h2 is an offroad ready vehicle. But I guess its ready for dirt roads, going to nba practice, and intimidating "greenies" in honda insites. Thats the h2 nitche.

Funny I thought gm had finally built a real offroad vehicle. Sure it looked garish, but at least it was offroad capable. Now I want to go check out the underside of one to see how big of a pos it is. So the real reason someone buys that thing is to compinsate for some "short" comings. How pathetic is that. Makes me love my rovers understated looks even more. Is the h2 the vehicle xterra owners dream about?
andy
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
shears

"I've got to cut some flowers for my wife so she doesn't kick my ass when I come home with her new grocery-barge all dirty"
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Botched that delivery:

shears
 

andy
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Err...what's the shears for?
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I got reinstated and invited back...
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
soccermom
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
i think that the problem is that 90% of the people that have bought these have never had a off-road vehicle. then they went and plunked down 50k and now they are being told they still dont have one.

I guess I would be pissed too and you know how it works no matter how hard you try you still want to kill the messenger.

I would really like to see some of these guys pony up and put what it takes to make them more off-road capable and correct the underbuilt aspects of the truck.

but they do also need to learn that 4x4 skill and knowledge does not come at the end of a pen in the form of a 50k check
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah, that was a good post over there Thom.

Jason said he is going to leave my new screen name alone, also said he only deleted my first post about the steering rods and wheels because it was so derogatory -doesn't make sense though because it was a lot less derogatory than the ones he left alone. Still fishy that those other posts about the wheels were deleted, but he told me in email that he is not affiliated with GM and I guess I have no reason to not believe him at this point.
 

the Big Daddy
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Sand ladders look butch bolted on a H-2 .

I can see it now , Kyle's new product. KVT sand laders for H-2's. Get your orders in early!
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
the companies that start making upgrade parts for these will have a captive audiance and make a killing!

I guess I in a way feel for all the Dan's over there. the looks and marketing has really sucked them in and once you sign on the dotted line its hard to turn back.

you know and I know that nearly 100% of them that get bitten by the off-road bug once they spend anytime will learn about straight axles and articulation and weight distribution and all the other suttle things that make a good off-roader a joy instead of a constant worry.

well we will know what the poser percentage is by how many chim in and say hello...you know they are here listening.
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
WEAKSAUCE


Can't you just imagine a 45 year old male who is a 4x4 trail virgin driving and his wife grabbing the O'SHIT handle and cringing up in a ball when they hit this bump
 

K. Uznetsov
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Fellow Off-Roaders:

I'm a fan of the H2, Land Rover, Jeep, and other US/UK marques. First, I notice one of you has taken some of the thoughts out of context from the H2 site. To clarify, one of my fellow H2 members mentioned that the G-Wagen, D90, and Jeep Rubicon have their respective niches in which they perform well.

Second, I read only negative remarks about the H2 and a lot of bashing based on misperceptions. Such bashing is usually a sign of being threatened or jealous. I'm not saying that any of you would rather have an H2, but why not stop with the bashing and accept that both Discovery and H2 are capable. The majority of off-road mags have deemed the H2 worthy of Moab.

The same thing happens with Viper owners, where the Vette guys feel the need to bash the competition. It makes you look bad and it highlights insecurities.

I like this site and hope to learn from fellow enthusiasts. My main point is to bring some of the unjust bashing to rest.
 

Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Mr. Bailey,

For one, I am amazed that you spotted the pictured vehicle in an auto show with all of that corrosion. If attention to detail is that poor when trying to sell a vehicle to a perspective audience, then how is this thing built behind closed doors? The sad thing about this thread is that now matter how much people bash the H2 and how many wheels fall off, I am still having a hard time talking the Mrs. out of buying one.

Musky I started that one thread a while back after I had an H2 in my driveway. My wife has been hooked since....
 

pm
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey Mr.Kuznetsov,

do you own an H2?

peter
 

Kuznetsov
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Peter:

No, I am looking to buy an H2. I visit the H2 web forum many times and read every article I can find. I'm also fan of Land Rover, GM, Ford, Jeep, and even Dodge. I mostly like American and UK marques.

My point is not to be insulting to any one here. Simply that the H2 and Land Rover are both great vehicles. Instead of arguing, there should be comeraderie as a USA & UK partnership.

Remember that land Rover is owned by Ford, but parts and assembly are still mostly British. bashing the Hummer is like bashing Apple Pie, baseball, and Rock n' Roll for me.

Kuznetsov
 

Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
When I bought the vehicle prior to the Disco, I was thinking "Buy American." But my wonderfull American vehicle ended up being a POS and I'll probably never buy an American vehicle again. Now LR may be owned by Ford, and yes if you buy one, you are contibuting to the US GNP. However, LR is still not an American vehicle.

To answer your question, I used to own a Dodge Dakota Club Cab 4x4 with a .318 V-8. I bought it new and had it for 2 years; the shop visits were getting expensive. MOPAR warranty was crap for a brand new vehicle.
 

Kuznetsov
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Paul:

You have had bad experience with American car/truck. Yes - same thing happen to me with Volvo and Nissan before. Some times bad luck and other times bad model.

I have good luck with many American cars and trucks so I will still consider Hummer. I am also looking for used Land Rover to send to my family in Europe.

Right now, only Mafia and politicians drive Land Rover where I'm from. It is too expensive for the working person. If I can get a '95-'98 in the US and ship - I solve huge price issue. Gas is then the only concern.
 

Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Where do you live? Russia? I don't think you can get a desiel rig from the US. I could be wrong.
 

TPH (Snowman)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter-
I think you have a new calling. Ever consider a coffee table book of H2 pics? I was LOL with the side step comment.

S-
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Kuznetsov,
No body has said that the H2 is as trailworthy as the disco yet because it isnt. There are too many weak points to consider it worthy of serious trails. Once again, I will point out that front tie rod, and weak POS "skid plate". However, I would LOVE to see somebody make a few modifications to a H2 to prepare it for more serious trail duties. Dont Get me wrong, I have said many times that I like the H2. But, I realize that it will never compare to the Disco(or a D90, RRC, etc.) in its stock form.

You said that "The majority of off-road mags have deemed the H2 worthy of Moab. "
What does this mean? I have seen one picture of an H2 in moab, and it was hardly a trail. Just because some magazines say that the H2 is "moab-worthy" doesnt mean a single thing. A magazine can say whatever they want. I am guessing that they made this claim due to the fact that it has 35" tires and a locker.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hmmmmm, thats a good idea Snowman. I can extend it to cover Xterras and Liberties as well, I'll put it together give the publishing rights to Kyle, Axel, and Ho and they can use it to pay for bandwidth!!!!! Genius. :) :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
ALL magazines are driven heavily by the companies that advertise in them.
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Mr Kuznetsov,

well, you sure have a way to get a hummer-esque vehicle and dodge the customs - check here.

I don't know why bother - I'd bring and old GWagen from Germany. H2 from the states? I hope you're up to date on vehicle import tax in RU.

peter
 

AndyThoma
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
GM seems to market the H2 to the same nitche that the Jeep,LR, and Gwagon are selling to. I own a Discovery. When I see the ads for the H2 and read the official Hummer manufactures web site, I get the impression they are selling to the same nitches. I have looked at Jeeps website, other than being for a less expensive target group, they are selling to the same basic nitche. Sorry, never really looked at MB's info on the Gwagon in reguards to their marketing approach. I love America, but saying an American car is a piece of junk is my right as a citzen of this country. I will never argue that jeep is a poser when it makes a claim to build true offroad vehicles. But baseing all of the H2's claims of ablity on the reputation of what a H1 can do is being a poser. Will a H2 do okay offroad? Look at the last picture above of the red one, that thing is flexing pretty good, but if it isn't strong enough to carry its own weight with out failure, thats kind of shitty to say its in the same class as a H1, LR, Jeep, Gwagon, Landcruiser. I guess what bothers me the most ( and its not envy) is that GM gives more of a damn about that a H2 looks offroad ready ,tough and manly, but not enough on true ablity to make sure the underside matches the exteriors "hard core" and "exxxxxtreme" looks. Why must I turn to an english vehicle to get a 4 door with a full frame and solid axles? Because I can't buy a US built one. Buy a Jeep you say, make it 4 doors and safer and I'll go out tommorrow and get it.

Andy, A patriot and driver of a bloody britsh car.
 

AndyThoma
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Moab ready, funny, I live in Utah and could drive my wifes Audi A4 avant on lots of the dirt roads down there and say it's moab ready. Hell a H2 could be Moab ready to pick up chicks cruising the main streets of moab.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
wheel
 

muskyman
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
lol...now thats a good one
 

Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
HA...that is great...nice job!!

Chris
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
king
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I don't think this one even NEEDS a caption but feel free to make up your own if you see fit. :)

cheesedick
 

KJ
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Well, I see Carter lives and has now sucked Muskyman into his evil vortex o' pissin' people off, LOL! I think I'll have to add "instigator" to Carter's growing list of adjectives.....

Karen :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Ooooooooohhhh!!!!!! Ooooooohhhhhh!!!!!!!! Does this mean I'm part of the "Axis of Evil" now?????!!!!!!!!!! :) :)
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
LOL KJ! You too Carter. There's a few H2's around where I live but I see them at the car wash more than on the road.

Carter, not even sure what to say about that last picture you posted. Too many thoughts come to mind...
 

GregH
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter-
My first thought was "Hairstylist with his new H2 Boybait"... :)

GregH
 

KJ
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Nope Carter, you're just the Head Instigator in the EVOPPO. Musky is the Mini-C (Mini Carter), but he's movin' up fast! Now, WTH happened to your self-titled thread????? You didn't post a pic of Blake's ass, did you? Blake's finally of age....naw, that can't be it......Dayum, just when I thought you and Joey were starting to find a rapport.....

Karen :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Nah, Ax threw it out in an effort to cut the BS around here. FWIW Joey is really Carl and should be gone for good now.
 

KJ
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Oh my God, I hope Axel doesn't get a hernia trying to cut the BS on this bb, LOL! Ax, that's some serious heavy-lifting around here lately, LOLOLOL!

Karen :):)
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
i've created an onslaught on that forum

Me and my big hairy Ass
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
i have a guy from bham that i emailed from that forum. He says he come to Auburn alot ANd will go riding with me. its gonna be fun
 

TPH (Snowman)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I believe the last pic is a promo for the re-make of the 1975 hit "Shampoo".
 

John Moore (Jmoore)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
You guys are too funny, I have spent several hours surfing the H2 site and enjoying the flaming. Most, nbut ot all, of the H2 guys are a little sensitive! LOL

I just like the sound of "Hummergirl"...

-John
 

muskyman
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
mini c...me???
 

Kuznetsov
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Peter:

I have looked at import taxes/tariffs. I live in the US and I post that I want the H2 for me.

Later, I posted that I want a used Discovery for export to Europe. You are right, I would be crazy to export H2 to Russia - it will cost $90,000.00.

I'm not from Russia, but close enough for export costs.
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
This is from that site muskyman and Carter were playing on, on their FAQ link (http://www.elcova.com/h2/faqs.html). Thought it was funny reading after everything muskyman and carter pointed out.

"2. What are some of the problems experienced so far in the H2?

Common (although minor and infrequent) Problems:

sunroof liner leaks

side rear view mirrors not rotating inward

spare tire takes up too much cargo space in the rear and limits visibility

back radio panel gets warm

"premature wrinkling due to the permanent smile on your face while driving the H2"

Recalls:

H02051_S - wiper motor is defective, may stop working in severe weather.
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Oh yea, anyone ever figure out why some of those posts about the wheels falling off disappeared??

Apparently this site is run by these people:

http://www.elcova.com/

who sell H2s or help interested customers purchase one.
 

muskyman
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
they say otherwize...but I'll bet its GM that really owns it
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
There FAQ sounds like a sales pitch to me
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Mr.K,

to me, buying an H2 is a sure sign of mid-life crisis, a bit like a sports car. something that REALLY stands out (for good or bad), and with very limited practical value.

in some sense, a Series-II 109 falls into the same category...

peter
 

H2owner
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey guys, I read all your posts from the H2 forum. Here's the thing, yeah we are a little jumpy over there, with good reason. We were swamped by Jeep people over the new years break who were just coming to make trouble.. and then there are the eco-freaks who are vandalizing SUVs (check this site out www.idontcareaboutair.com), they dont discriminate, they will vandalize yours too. Our site is for H2 enthusiasts, just like this site is for Disco enthusiasts. Over there you are going to get people who think our cars are #1, just like you guys think the Discos are #1 here. Just like the Discos, some H2s are bought for the image and never will see a dirt trail. So, do your thing with whatever you drive and what ever your "thing" is, and dont worry about who supposedly has the best because "best" is a subjective thing.
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Well, I know *my* Disco is not #1 ... it's a Disco2, but still a long way from "#1", that's 4 sure.

Best wishes to ya,
Kim
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
P.S. Oh yeah, Carter, I spewed soda thru the nose when I saw the "on to the dealership!" pic !! Same for the suave bole 'man'(?) in black! LOLOLOLOLOL!!

Kim :)
I know KJ, I shouldn't encourage him :)
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I think H2owner is missing the point. I think most people here have a great respect for capable SUV's. Some are Land Rovers while some are not. You'll always get comments on G-wagens, TJ's (even with the lightweight components), and others like the Mogs and such. Some here even really like the H1. But when a vehicle is sold as an offroad vehicle and it's nothing more than a off-road "looking" vehicle it gets ripped. Just like the Prowler might get laughed at.
 

Bruce
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
"THEY SEE AN H2 THEY STOP, PAUSE, AND GRIN..."

....and think 'what a cock head'
 

Jack (Jack)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The other day, I saw a yellow H2, with Texas plates (nothing against Texans, and I'm sure you can kick my ass in many things, but skiing ain't one) park next to a late 80s Rangie from Colorado in our funky, little (pop. 528) ski town. H2 Driver and passenger dressed in flame-glow one piece ski suit, jewelry, and hair similar to boy-bait pictured above. Rangie driver in Carrharts and duct tape, hat head, with tele boards on the rack. That was all I needed to see. BTW, I do drive my DII to soccer practice, and also through blizzards, ice, and all kinds of other shit, including trails once the snow melts.
Jack
 

Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Did anyone else get banned?
They banned my IP because they said i pissed everyone off.
 

Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yup they banned be...the guy told me i should do something like go pick up chicks...They seemed to keep all your posts and delete the rest
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Like Musky said, they're just pissed because they laid out all that cash for them, and someone's maybe bursting the bubble a bit ... Kind of like when I found out my D2 didn't have a mechanism to lock the center diff I was so focused on financing and warranties, that I just took it for granted, LOL. In my case, I had just sold a beater pretty much dedicated to offroad & camping, etc. Quit my job, no mas company car, and I got sick and tired of driving that *thang* around (manual everything, you know? ) Well, I fixed most of the stuff (well okay some on the D2), i.e. done the best I could, and I'm still "fixin" LOL!!!

Kim
If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!
 

KJ
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Kim, go ahead, encourage him. It's been 5 minutes since blood was spilled, LOL! So young, and yet so evil. Now he's got Mini C and Will and Chris following in his footsteps, all banned. I did have to laugh when I read that Chris was told to go out and pick up chicks.....Think an H2 is a chick magnet? Can you outfit one with a rooftop tent?

Karen :)
 

Chris Marcel (Gumarcel)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
He also told me i should have something better to do then he told me i should do my homework. He said I am never welcomed back there, I wrote him back asking if I get an h2 can i come back...he hasn't answered me yet. And he said "This is a business of mine and essentially you are vandalizing it". I don't get that, anyone?
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Kim,

"If it ain't broke fix it till it is." Made me laugh, my dad used to say that all the time. And how true it is, I think that if I keep fixing my truck it may never run again.
 

KJ
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Chris, did you key that man's cyber H2????

Karen :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah, I'm banned I sent him this in reply to the email:

You are a pansy-ass, you or the company who hosts this website clearly have a vested interest in the sales of the H2. I give this site 6 months max before it is dead and another more reputable H2 bulletin board pops up and takes dominance. The members of you site are clearly very green when it comes to offroading and internet BBs world. You are doing an excellent job of alienating yourself from the rest of the internet-offroading community, keep up the good work. My conclusion is that you are all a bunch of self-absorbed, rich pricks, with more money than sense. You obviously have no mechanical or practical knowledge of your trucks, you only regurgitate what GM tells you these bread boxes can do. Good luck with the site, you are going to need it as you apparently have a long way to go before you have what it takes to effectively run an open BBS.

-Carter Simcoe
 

KJ
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Well, another clinic in making friends and influencing people! ROTFLOL!

Karen
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
small
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
camber
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
camber
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
hill
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
ROTFLMAO!!! (even though I shouldn't be, LOL) Now, Carter, even though you are in the process of the perfect coffee table book, shame on you. I mean, look at those twisty, flexy, curvy, cross axeled type, ruts on that hill!

Kim
Can't hide the smile ... Now, go do your homework!!!
 

muskyman
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
man I go away for one afternoon and miss all the fun

they must like me I'm still not banned
 

GregH
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Back in late '70's I think I took my Dad's old Datsun B210 on more technical trails than I've seen on their site...

Thom, you probably added more excitement to their lame site than they've ever had... :)

GregH
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Isn't that last picture showing the reverse lights on??
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Brian, LOL, :) yes I hear you, bless your heart..., DO tell about The Independance Trail! :)

Musk Man, so ... go for it!! :) LOL,,, Although you may be "hurting" the "American" economy by bursting the bubbles of those guy's that run the site:).


Off the subject - Ah heck, I'm in a good mood. This just in from a very good long time friend: (one of my fav, er uh, "test pilot" dudes - he's had a ton of mechanical/offroad experience, so ... he can hopefully help me with "The Rickster"?!?, LOL!!!!)

"HI Kim,
We are going to shoot for a trip out to a favorite spot of ours in early March. I might be up for another trip when you go too. I might even fly out and camp with you guys. My plane can land just about anywhere so I'm willing to put it to the test..."

Yeehaw!!! :) (and way too many smiley faces, LOL, :):):):) )
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah, everyone pour a little out for Brian tonight, who MUST be sleeping in the doghouse after that run. :)
 

muskyman
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
all I can say is "understanding Gal" he's got:)
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yep, that's what I was thinkin' ...
Need to start a new thread (I want to hear about this one ... Hehehe, not only what the heck he did, but what she said, LOL!) :)
 

adtoolco
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I just read through the the "attack" thread on the H2 board. I'm sorry I missed all the deleted posts. Its funny, Carter has done much worse to his fellow LR owners, but most take it in stride, not the H2ers, very sensitive. And when Musky tells them the truth about their vehicles, they respond with "...for a stock vehicle it's very capable..." or "...that's not the reason I bought it...". When the repair bills come in I bet most get traded in or sold.

on the flip side, the aftermarket potential is huge$$$. Green, eager, owners with deep pockets who will soon realize how "capable" their vehicles are. I see a goldmine in mods and repairs.

-Chris
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Alan,
wow I can't believe in that last picture that H2 is backing down that hill after a failed attempt. I would like to go over to there board and point that out but I can't I am banned.
 

adtoolco
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I hope thats not a failed attempt, my moms minivan could make it up that incline.

-Chris
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hye guys and gals....there is a little write up in the trails section called Independance ate my truck. I give most of the details.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
ahhh, must have missed it. Thanks.
 

muskyman
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
can you feel the love I'm spreading over there?

karen and kim I think your presence is needed over there they are seriously lacking the fair and equitable side of things

i am being calm respectful and thruthful yet I'm still hearing

"those land rover dudes bring nothing to this board"

chris, I'm right with you there. H2's have a ton of potential, but I'm afraid that alot of those guys are just way to pig headed to listen long enough to learn a thing?

lets hope some of them are smart enough to,deep pockets are a good thing when it comes to fighting trail closing and the current anslaught of anti SUV sentiment.

thom
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
They aren't interested in offroading, they are interested in driving the "newest and best". These guys traded the PT cruiser in on the Xterra and then traded that for the H2, they are only "offroading" now because GM tells them they can. In two years they will be on to something else and the H2 owners who care about offroading (but don't own one now because they are waiting for the prices to drop or on the used market) will hopefully take over and have a better attitude about the whole thing.
 

Peter Carey (Pcarey)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Those aren't the H2's backup lights on. If you look at all the other pictures, you will notice the H2s reverse lights are at the bottom of the stack. Heck, even look at THAT picture and you will see it. Just too much red for the camera to handle (long exposure) made them look white.

I'm setting my big brain down now....

pwc
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
WHAT HAVE I DONE???

What are you guys saying to those poor H2 owners over there, they won't post any of your sensetive remarks!

That photo that Carter posted of the silver H2 leaning over... Is it jacked up on that left side or something? Why in the world would it lean so far PAST the incline of the hill it is on?

And let me say again, the photos of the front suspension at the beginning of this thread is of a NEW H2 at the International Auto Show!

http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net
 

muskyman
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
RB

its because they are top heavy

these guys believe what ever GM tells them

the quote all the original data given out for the H1 such as 60% grade, 40* side hill able to climb up and onto a 20" ledge.

thats all H1 stuff there is no way it can climb onto a 20" ledge...not a chance it loses it rear drivshaft every time .

they own one of these and they dont even recognize its own front end?? I gotta say I lay down under every car/truck/toy I own and learn every inch....if I just paid 50k for something I'd sleep in it...

Carter is most likely right we just need to wait for the second owners

we posted over and over to come chat here and one guy shows up? they really are just into the image it gives them. just like the viper owners who are afraid to drive them. but it sure impresses the neighbors when you leave the gagage open.

i gotta say I'm a little let down I thought a couple would step up and not only own one but actually wanna learn and own the skills needed to embody it.

my bad
 

Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I tried to join. They won't even accept my application. It was denied. Do you think it's because my signature was Proud DII Owner?

Seriously though, I just wanted to talk with them and explain our point of view. I guess they don't want to hear what others have to say.
 

muskyman
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
banned without 1 word...greg your such a bad guy:)
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
i'm still trusted w/ the h2 crowd
is their any pics or comments need to be posted.
 

muskyman
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
blake

there are some nice people...kelley mac seams like a sweet gal

she just posted this about me

Quote:

Wow, okay, you're clearly not 18 like I thought most of you Rover guys were who visited us. I figured you'd be the one we'd "adopt" here...:)



i think there are just a few with ego problems that dont want to here that there 50k toy isnt really the badest bad ass on the planet stock

thom
 

KJ
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Blake, just don't show them any of your ebay auctions, you hear? :)

Musky, I don't have a substantive thing to add to THIS bb, and you want me to invade the H2'rs???? I'll leave that to Kim, she knows something! LOL!

Karen :)
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
LOLLOLLOLLOLOL!!!!! Nah, I think I'll pass ... Gave them a brief read thru - LOL, tell "Kelley Mac" I'll be lookin' for her and her badazz H2 :) on the trail, and I do the martial arts, so I can play the fencing game too LOL, ought to be interesting, LOL

Kim
"I know nothing!" (but thanks just the same, KJ :))
 

Craniac
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
You guys/girls are killing me.I have been on the H2 forum for over 5 months.First I will admit I own an H2 and I love it. Also I own a crane company in San Diego that started as a one man outfit over 13 years ago and has done pretty well so I know a little about maintenance and fabrication.After looking at some of the pictures on your board even if my hummer(i know you dont think its a hummer but I do) would rock crawl like your LR I would'nt do it-might get a scratch.Seriously though I did appreciate your bantering and those captions for the pictures were f&#%*ng funny.I too think you guys were treated a little roughly by the H2 crowd. I am not a wimp,I love my H2 and I can take the heat, to be honst I think I would have more fun on your board-is that allowed? Thanks for the fresh air and thanks for posting a link.
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey Craniac, Welcome! :) Anytime. ... Quite an interesting bunch over here ...

Kim
LOL, better put your seatbelt on ....
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yes welcome. Lots of fun here.
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Craniac,

what i don't understand is why one would be ashamed to admit he owns a Suburban. Okay, it's not a straight-axle Sub, but it's nothing that a decent fabricator can't fix. Other than that, it's a good platform to modify, with the same shortcomings that all full size rigs have. My jeep has no chance to go through the Squeeze in Anza-Borrego, big deal.

I have posted a link of an H2 actually going through a spot that wrinkled sheetmetal on some of the dwebbers' rovers. And it did come through. The owner was sweating bullets over the scratches, guess it happens to someone who bit just a little to much for his budget, but it's all okay. He did have to work harder at manoevering his truck on this trail than rovers' drivers had, that's okay, too.

But what i saw on the H2 forum reminded me of Yahoo Pontiac Aztec group (which I joined once trying to sort out people who'd buy such a hunk of shit). Really, really antsy and overly easy to offend.

peter
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hell yeah, welcome aboard Craniac. Nice to see an H2 guy with a level head on his shoulders for a change!!! :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
****posted by 'hummergirl' on the H2 board:

Muskyman...
you post was nice. but you have to understand what we H2 owners put up with since we have purchased our trucks.
For example:

1. No matter where we go we sometimes get a negative response to our choice of purchase. More so than we ever had in our lives concering vehicle purchases. Ranging from "why would you want THAT" to putting up with the genital measuring.

2. We are putting up with the anti-suv folks who just pulled the plug to the drain, and have tried to make us guilty for our purchase all over again. (I don't feel guilty...I love my truck)

3. We put up with little kids getting on here and trying to cause a problem amongst us all, so anytime anyone new comes on and are not H2 fans, then we get a little defensive.

4. And then we have the eco-terrorists who want to destroy our vehicles at any chance they can get...and forgive me if I am wrong, but I have yet to hear/read an article where the Rovers get slammed in the newspapers/other media???


****** Oh, BOOO HOOOOOO HOOOOOO, do they think we don't deal with the exact same shit????? It isn't our problem they chose to get their panties in a wad about it.

Oh and for #4, how about those rovers at the dealership that got acid thrown all over them.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Wonder how long it will be before Jason "I swear this site isn't affiliated with GM" yanks this one???

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=6706011751&m=9346026522
 

Rob Davison (Nosivad_Bor)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
peter,, you can check the yahoo land rover group archives, it is when you and i met. i was defending the aztec and i still do!!!

viva aztec
 

KJ
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The funniest thing I ever read about the Aztec was on some web site reviewing the vehicle. They said something like, "The Aztec designers are microwaving a new body as we speak."

Nosivad Bor, let our Robbie go FREE! Michael Jackson has been calling for him....

Karen
 

KJ
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Carter,

I deeply resent the #1 question, too. I never have a shot at winning the "G.M.", and by that I don't mean General Motors.....dayum.....hummergirl, I share your inadequacy....

Karen, typing with a straight face...sorta...LOL
 

GregH
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Pontiac Aztek? That explains the "garlic bread"...They have some new psychotropics that can treat that now Rob. :)

GregH
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
ahhh, it wouldn't be a good flame tread with out someone mentioning Rob's "garlic bread" LOL :)
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
holy shit I come home and there sitting in my living room!

welcome Craniac!

it is really nice to have you here, hang out chime in and have fun...we all do

man its nice to be home...some one hand me a guiness...ahhhh

toucan
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
see i have been away to long

toucan
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Sorry Thom, you earned the "picture nazi"

nazi
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
OMG, ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! I botched the Picture Nazi!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha :) :) :)

(I see you got it on the second try though thom)
 

Craniac
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thanks for the welcome.Just got back from playing at a under construction industrial park with the H2 and let me say im impressed.To set the record straight I own a 1999 GMC suburban(last year before yukon)and what a worthless pile as far as trying to do anything "off road". Its four wheel drive but its no fourwheeler.Anyway the E-locker is very cool in the H2L but enough about that.In regards to being in your living room ill watch my step,but carter, your killing me with the H2 owners pictures.Please keep them comming.To be honst I never paid much attention to "discos"(is that right) before but look forward to learning.More about articulation later.
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
craniac

put your feet on the coffee table its a very open forum here.

our hosts are three great guys that work there asses off to keep this place running and here as a service to the land rover guys and anybody else that comes here.

spend some time in the Gallery section above and you will see a amazing number of dedicated LR owners that frequent the site.

use the keyword search button on the left to find just about anything your looking for. allthough most will be rover specific most things on 4x4's are more similar then different.

also check out there site store, they have put togather some really good quality videos that will give you some really good exposure to back country 4 wheeling action. and some great scenery of some of the best trails in the country.

once again welcome!

thom
 

Alan Yim (Alan)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Cool...good to see you here Craniac.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah Craniac, once again feel free to hang out we've already got a resident G-Wagon driver so whats an H2? Seems like you are more than capable of taking some friendly stabs and feel free to extend some to us as well. I have learned a lot from other boards (including, dare I say it? JEEP forums) I'm sure you can pick up a good bit of info around here that is transferable as well. (i'm drunk, sorry if that makes now sense :))3
 

Ho Chung (Ho)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
if i may... i think the H2 is bad ass. :)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 02:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I've been waiting for that for 188 posts now HO :)

(come on guys, we're almost at 200)
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah... but Ho also likes the new Rangie so I think he's more into the image.
 

craniac
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey if you want some laughs and thinly vailed attitudes of I am better than you look at the "what else do you drive" thread on the H2 web site.Must I be the voice crying in the wilderness "You guys are so full of crap".BTY checked under my Hummer and nothing but the light rust you would expect from a cast part that has not been painted-not much harsh weather in CA-OH and all three wheels are STILL on the vehicle after some very gnarly curb hopping last night at the soccer park.
 

Ho Chung (Ho)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
hehe, carter, it took me that long to read the whole fucking thread.

al, it's not only the image, don't forget the H2 has something the 'best 4x4xfar" doesn't. :)
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
a rear locker stock and big power?

i think the H2 is a great starting point...gotta admit when they have been around for a buncha years lost there yuppie stigma I'll buy one and rip out the front suspension throw it on coils and a Dana60 with a selectable locker and go tormeant it:)

now that would be bad ass
 

gp (Garrett)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
those neat-O lights above the windshield? the optional 'Hair Stylist Package'? free Liberace CD collection with purchase? :) :)
 

adtoolco
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I think a set of portal axles would fit nicely on an H2. The lift plus the HUGE meats you could fit on it. Very badass, and very offroadable.

-Chris
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
One of these guys won't even wash his truck by himself, says it's to big.

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=1936040622
 

Ho Chung (Ho)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
no musky, i dont' even have to go that far.

CDL!!! LOL
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
BINGO! and how 'bout those beefy stock tires on the LR? LOL
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
here's post 200, we haven't had one this long in a while
 

muskyman
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yea see Ho that dosent matter to me ...its 8 more model years before my empty check book puts me into the no CDL models...remember mines a 94

shit by then I may be driving one of those new infinity power houses:)
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
CDL is much easier to fix than the IFS and long wheel base. Anyway we'll get the CDL back in 2004. :)

Now anyone bobtail a D2 yet? :)

On a serious note...

What kind of axle is on the rear of the H2? Full floating or semi? Can you do a field swap on them?
 

craniac
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Al. My H2 has a 5 link with air bag suspension.Its pretty cool kinda like the air bags one one of my big trucks.It constantly monitors pressure in the bags and the compressor-mounted in the rear-adjusts for loads and conditions.You can also manually riase the rear 3 inches to increase the departure angle.As far as field swapping On Star does that free withen 30 min.anywhere in the continental US. GUARANTEED.
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Craniac,

On star may guarantee it but they still have to get to where you are and once there they will either have to tow you or repair it. My guess is that the repair idea is probably out. A couple of months back someone posted a story about a tow experience. Can't remember the tread but I bet someone here will be able to turn you to it. The guy had a very bad experience.
 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Craniac, You can replace a broken rear axle shaft on a D1 in under 30 minutes and be on your way. I'm wondering about the actual axle design and service-ability. The suspension I knew about (sorta). FWIW, the D2 has an air suspension like you mention and (IMO) it's not all that great. It's okay but not great. There have been times where I've both praised it and swore at it. When the bags fail it will be replaced with coil springs.
 

Jack (Jack)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Craniac,
Welcome too. I've praised and swore at my DII since I've owned it, and seen some LR owners that I'm sure bought for the 'status'. I attended a dealer off-road event, where half the folks were dressed like they were going on a freakin safari (LR clothing, give me a break!) and after orientation at the dealership, heard one guy tell his daughter not to walk through the puddle in the lot, because he didn't want her to get the mats dirty. Driving home in a white-out one night, I'm 20 miles from home, cross a mountain pass at 12,500 feet with no problem, other than a foot of ice hanging from the wiper blades and getting longer with each pass of the blade. I stop to slap the blade against the windshield to clear the ice, and the blade assembly flies 15 feet off the road into a snow bank. So, it's a white out, and I have no driver's side wiper at all. I drive 10 miles looking out the passenger side. But, with d-web, I search the archive, find out that everyone knows the stock dII arms and blades suck, order the d1 arms and winter blades and all is well. Sorry for the long post, but I agree, there is a lot of great info here you just have to admit that whatever car you drive has some shortcomings, rovers included. But here I find that everyone admits the problems and tries to find solutions.
Best of luck with your H2, BTW, did you consider a Rover for a 4wd? Just wondering what your opinion of Rovers were before you bought.
Thanks,
Jack
 

Kim S (Roverine)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yeah, the air bags are on my "to go" list as well (along with replacing the rear coupling/bushing set up with a greasable u joint ... actually it's just one big revolving loop, it never ends, LOL). Oh ... LOL, it would be nice for Greg to get a D90. Then we'd have two bottomless pits in the mods and maintence dept.
 

craniac
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The Onstar commint was a joke.Wile looking through your tech section I noticed the axles are of the outboard variety on the RR in the picture.Im sure it makes for a quick swap.BTY what is your best method for retrieving it when it breaks 5or6 inches inboard on the pass.side I have some ideas but would like to hear yours.To evade your question I would ass/u/me it is your run of the mill GM.The E-locker should make no difference for that fix.Do the RR axles break that often to be an issue?Is this due to wheel spin,light design.Just curious
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Craniac,

LOL...ok that makes more sence about the onstar.

I have broken several axles. Left rear )long side) twice. Left front (long side) twice and right front once. The stock axles are not very strong. If you are open diff. LR axle will probably not break but I am locked ft and rear. I just torqed them to death. I have upgraded the rears and no problem since. I am working on upgrading the fronts.

As far as retreival. I cut off a broom stick and used a 8 pound telescoping magnant, broke most of the handle off an pounded the magnant into the broom stick handle. Works great.
 

muskyman
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
craniac,

check out the trail section above under "independance trail" it may more clearly explain brians "bad luck" with axles.

thom
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Musky,

Thank you for pointing that out.:) I have been scratching my head for months trying to figue out why those things keep breaking.
 

craniac
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Muskeyman

Thanks,I believe your the one who posted the link from the H2 site.The first thing I saw when I got here was the independance trail article.I believe my thoughts were props and large gonads.Thats why I stuck around.I bought my hummer to play with(even though I wont let my kids in with muddy feet-its a respect thing)and am trying to figure out how to post pictures.No kidding I am impressed by the H2 but talk is cheep.As far as the RR goes I always thought they were pussifed yuppie cars-sorry my ignorance-so I was never interested.That has changed.I have learned to give respect to those who earn it.Oh and about the axle thing I use a thin pipe with the same I.D as the axle O.D(possible grinding required)and tap it over the broken end and remove the shaft
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 11:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Crainiac,

That is a great idea. I had never even thought of the pipe thing. I think that is a much better solution than what I have been using. btw...glad you liked the independance report.
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
good to have you here craniac.
 

Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
i think this is one of the longest running discussions i have seen
P. Perkinson
 

M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
great stuff!
 

Kelley (Kelleymac)
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Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey all:

Another H2'er crashing the party. ;-) I've seen the posts both there and here, and I'll admit I'm willing to learn (please don't take that out of context with the whole "hummer" thing...)

At any rate, I have just a couple of things to say:

Musky, you're all right in my book too. I appreciate the challenge to our conventional thinking, and invite you if you're ever out in CA to look me up and drive my truck. (In return, I expect a muskie fishing guided tour of WI <grin>)

Kim: you're absolutely right, you'd kick my azz in martial arts...but I'll stand across the fencing strip from you anytime you're ready. May the best person win.

Mind if I hang for a while?

Kelley
 

KJ
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Kelley,

You are SO invited to hang here! Check out whatever's in the fridge (lately it's been the mixin's for Black and Tans), and if you order any delivery chow, charge it to Carter Simcoe, our resident celeb. He can afford it.....

Karen :-)
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
yeah i can whip up a black and tan like a pro now

Thanks discoweb
 

Kelley (Kelleymac)
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Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Yep, I think Carter and I already met, albeit in another forum... <grin> Hopefully with a Black and Tan under our belts, it will go more smoothly here. Thanks for the welcome, and I'll pull up a chair for a while. :-)

Kelley
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Hi kelley

Glad you made it over. I cant tell you how nice it is to have another H2 on the board. plus there are soooo many wheelers here from your home state I think your going to make some great friends.

wish I could pour you a black and tan...concave side of the spoon up because it works for me:-)

thom
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=9486027422

trolls lol
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=2606011751&m=7936017322&r=386 6068722#3866068722
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 01:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Don't you mean concave up Thom??

Oh no, blake has discovered the new 'signature' function. :-)
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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yeah i'm dangerous
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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i miss something carter?....lol


black and tan
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Please tell me you edited that post and changed 'convex' to 'concave' otherwise I'm going totally crazy :-) (the later is totally possible though)
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Well Blake I can't say I agree with that guy's choice of off-road vehicle, but I dig the Hayabusa!!!

And is that your Rover? Wow, it must have cost a fortune to detail after getting all that mud on it (this is a joke, BTW).

While I'm on the subject, did anybody else read the "Favorit H2 Past Time" for our hairstylist H2 owner friend pictured above in this thread? Check it out at http://www.elcova.com/h2/album.html but it reads "BTW, this is my 2nd hummer (2NDH2) this month, the first one was sunk on Galveston Beach, Texas after only 10 days on the road, see other photo."



I just gave up trying to find the info on the other guy who took his truck off-roading and ripped off the side steps on a trail. Kudos to him for sure, but then he went out and spent $1000 on a new set?!?!?! What the heck?
 

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Oh yeah, also from http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=2606011751&m=7936017322&r=3866068722#3866068722: "I hope these don't end up all over the net with stupid captions. Kathy is not happy about the one Carter posted to the Disco site."

I thought of some good captions for these pictures but I don't want to burn in hell for eternity so I'll keep them to myself...


To be fair, I do see the Poor H2 People's POV to a certain extent. I wouldn't personally want to own one but OTOH it pisses me off when people slam what *I* HAVE chosen to buy. I mean, I own a Land Rover (need I say more?)...
 

Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
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Blake,

That's got to be about the best looking truck over there. I'm curious as to how they were able to run all those trails and not end up with a single spec of dust on the trucks. Notice I didn't say rust, as that seems to come equipped from the factory.

On a serious note, I think the quality problems you see on the H2's is more a sign of GM as a whole that it is of just the H2. My dad used to by a new Yukon every three years, but, this year when he showed up at the GMC dealer he saw a lot of the same quality problems across the entire GM truck fleet. Fortunatly, I was able to gently persuade him over to the dark side (no, not LR, no dealer in Kansas) and now he's got a beutiful new LandCruiser 100 in the driveway.

Todd
 

Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
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Kelley,

3 weapon? :D


-L

 

Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
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GM had VERY LOW price points for the parts on the H2. It's no wonder they have qualtiy problems. I can't wait for a couple more years until we start seeing window leaks. Not that our Alpine windows are without leaks too. :-)
 

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Two weapon. Foil and sabre. I'm short, and not ideally suited to epee although I did mess around with it for a while. Sabre just suited my personality better.

Kelley
 

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Look what the kid down the street brought home

h2pouser



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you all are forgetting about the land rover pousers.
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Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
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I stuck w/ just foil for awhile... sabre was really fun, but more for playing around... kept trying to make hamburger out of each other. Epee, though, really caught my fancy.

Bummer is, ever since I've been out of college, I've not found anyone locally to spar with... so, it's now been, oh, 4 years since.... :-(

-L
 

Kelley (Kelleymac)
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Yeah, I've been on hiatus for a while now. Luckily I'm in an area of the country where there are many salles. If you're interested in going back, drop me a private email and I'll see if I can hook you up with some folks in your area.

BTW, you Rover-types don't all seem like slavering monsters to me... ;-)

Kelley
 

Kelley (Kelleymac)
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That yellow H2 is just sad. Why anyone would do that to a vehicle like this is beyond me...

Kelley
 

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Drugs alter your mind, perception of what's cool and make you make horrible decisions
 

Kelley (Kelleymac)
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LOL unfortunately, I can't write off all the ridiculous mods to H2s as drug-users...some people think this makes sense! Freaky, huh???

Kelley
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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yes I agree it looks like a bling bling school bus

to bad if all they wanted was looks it would have got more sitting on 37" baja claws

but when they are done with it those rims can be unbolted just as the side steps can

Thom
 

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Musky just remember to get it proffesionally detailed so they can get the potseeds between the seats so you don't get in trouble
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Yeah prescottj, trust it to a professional detailer to leave pot seeds between your seats.

I guess if your idea of staying out of "trouble" is to always have pot with you, then this is a good idea.
 

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ymca
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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ROTFLMAOSHICECOWASA

(rolling on the floor laughing my ass of so hard I can't even come up with a suitable acronym)
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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now that rack they are on is pretty cool. I was looking at some pics of those, thats a well done rack.

thom
 

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OMG - I'm dying! WAAY to FUNNY!

You're gonna piss off our new friends! Oh, yeah it's Carter, you've already done that!

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those hip gangstas w/ the Range and the h2 are funny as hell
i wish you had a close up to see the "hard" look on there faces.
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

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ROTFLMAO AND PEEING MY PANTS
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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there's a new member to the dreaded "ICY HOT STUNTAS" Gang.

Text descriptionText description
http://www.geocities.com/thestuntaz/
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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there's a new member to the dreaded "ICY HOT STUNTAS" Gang.

Text descriptionText description
http://www.geocities.com/thestuntaz/
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

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look them up on kazaa
"icy hot stuntaz"

they rap lol
sign the guestbook
'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality'
 

KJ (Karen)
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HAHHAHAHA! Carter, I had to give you 5 red stars for that effort. Now, how are those interims of yours these days????? Hope you're making that rich daddy of yours proud!

Karen :-)
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Are these clowns for real??!?!?!?!

... firing up kazaa lite ...
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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ha ha, great job Blake. Who needs photshop when you've got PAINT??? :-) :-)

enthusiastpackage
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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he he, thanks Karen. Actually that rich daddy of mine is surfing in style with his new cable modem, you gotten with the program yet??? Remember you are now officially the last person in the US to convert.
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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Ho, can you break this Lincoln Log of a thread into a couple of pieces?
 

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huh?
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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LOL, this is what i had in mind

it's taking too much time to load
btw, is it the absolutely longest thread ever?
Or XTerra one was longer?
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Wow those "Icy Hot Stuntaz" managed to produce the WORST rapping I have ever heard in my entire life.

So bad, in fact, that I had to put one of their "songs" up for others to hear:

http://www.clarke.ca/muzak/Icy_Hot_Stuntaz-What_What.mp3

"gettin' in yo ass like a muthafuckin' gay parade." How appropriate...
 

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Peter, That link made me shit my pants. Good one!
 

Andy Thoma (Andythoma)
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I hope those icy hot dipshits don't ever buy any Landrover product. I wouldn't even want them to buy an H2. I still am in shock from that song and the link to there web site. My eyes and ears now burn in pain. You guys need to put warnings in front of those links.
 

M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
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got to hand it to those H2os they really love there truck, but then again those folks that drive the PT Cruiser are the same way!
DAMN IT! its not an SUV, its a LAND ROVER!

-Mike W
 

Bobby MaGee (Craniac)
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Yo,that link was wack,Imean dope.Im going right now to rub some "Icy Hot" on my nuts. That must be why they's rhyme is so smoove.Word to yo motha.Peace out
 

Ho Chung (Discoho)
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i have to edit my thoughts on the H2...

i received a marketing brochure from hummer...
nice brochures of H1 and H2.
now H1 is looking bad ass... and the H2 is looking like a JGC on steroids. :-)
 

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yo ho.....JGC?
DAMN IT! its not an SUV, its a LAND ROVER!

-Mike W
 

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Ho

the H1 is bad ass for sure point and shoot off-roader

MM
 

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grabed this on the H2 board...reminds me of the bumper sticker crap back in decembersuv ticket1
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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****serious question here****

Hey Thom, from our IM discussions and stuff you have said on the boards I gather you are seriously considering modifying an H2 to be a real offroader someday. Why the H2 and not just a used H1 or better yet a surplus Humvee?? Just want a challenge or something? It would seem to me that a H1 or Humvee with solid axles and possible coil overs (yeah, lots of work I know -but you don't seem to shy away from that sort of thing) to correct those pesky articulation problems would be truly unique and bad-ass.

If I had unlimited funds to spend on modifying an H2 as a trail rig the body would definitely be on the 'to-go list' because I personally think it is ugly as sin. Once that body is gone what do you really have??? It doesn't seem that special to me, a chassis with a long wheel base, IFS, some fancy traction control stuff (never been a big fan of it on any equipped vehicle I have driven -no offense D2 guys, to each his own). All in all the phrase 'polishing a turd' comes to mind. So what are you seeing that I'm not?
 

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I thought thats why you got a greencard and a job so you didn't have to bike to work
 

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From another H2 person

You guys must love me or something since I am in half the H2 captioned photos here :-)

I can take just about anything, even the YMCA stuff (it's not my yellow H2, and I am on the left in the pictures btw). What I can't handle is you guys thinking I am hairdresser boy (I can't think of a caption for that dude either). For the record I am side step soccer mom's other half (she is not a mom BTW). The side step are gone, they got trashed beyond repair about 30 minutes after that picture was take (waste of 600 bucks there!). Oh and I am not the guy that spent a grand to replace then either.

I am new to off-roading which is why the pictures I posted over there are lame (and I ordered side steps), over time I will try to take some better pictures, I just need some more experience first. I think I got hooked, its fun and for a beginner an H2 ain’t a bad truck.

The H2 site is a bit weird as far as some of the people go. Do you guys care if another H2 owner checks this place out for a while?

PS. Someone did say my bike was cool, that was nice, here is that picture and please notice it’s not black and no hairdressers are anywhere to be seen.

Alec


For some reason I can't upload pictures, do you have to be a member first?

The url to the other site is

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=2606011751&m=7936017322

bike pics are towards then end.



 

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Carter, mind if I take a stab at answering your question?

The H1 is truly a monster off-road. I've had the pleasure to drive both mine and an H1 on the same trail, and while I love my truck for it's capabilities, it just doesn't measure up to the H1. That said, if you're not into spending thousands of dollars on maintenance, an H1 might not be for you. They're not a mass production vehicle, and as a result, they have all of the QA problems that go along with that. I've had guys (albeit guys who don't do their own maintenance) tell me horror stories about $11K repair bills. Ball joints fail, half-shafts break, and transfer case problems are not unheard of.

All of that said, I'll still own one (hopefully someday soon) and use it as my "toy" while my H2 stays on road, but in the meantime, I like my truck for it's capabilities, and it hasn't been in the shop yet.

Kelley
 

Alec (Cohummerowner)
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Carter, my graphics skills are lame by your standards but I had to try somthing.

:-)
 

Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
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Dang, Alec, that's sweet....

heh heh... heh... heh heh.... heh heh heh...
(Fire! Fire!)....

(Crap, college chemistry flashbacks are coming back!!!) :-)


Anyway, pull up a log around the campfire, just realize you need hipwaders a bit more frequently than on occasion..... lol....


Kelley,
You "should" have an email.....

As far as H1s.... I liked 'em okay, but, they're got their strengths, and weaknesses... Out in the open, needing to drag along a ton of junk, they're great, that's what they're made for. But, if you're creeping up a windy rocky trail through the evergreens, it's gonna be too tight.

A Rover's a bit more nimble.....

IMHO, FWIW....

-L

 

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Hey guys welcome,

Letting your hair down a little. Breathe in and out, it's seems a little hard do to on the H2 site.

-John
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Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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he he, very good Alec (even looks like my truck back in it's stocker days)

Yeah Kelley, I hear what you are saying and understand completely. Thom is DEFINITELY one of those guys who doesn't mind doing his own maintenance, which is the reason I posed the question to him. In my mind if I were going to make a trail vehicle out of a hummer, the H1 or Humvee would be the way to go. I'm curious to see why he is saying H2, who knows maybe its simply behind an H1 or Humvee on his list of trail vehicles to make, or perhaps he is seeing something I'm not.
 

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A question:

Is this site always this slooooooooow? Not the content the download speed? I trid to look at some other treads with only a few post and they all seem just as bad.

-Alec
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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It has been unusually slow lately
 

Alec (Cohummerowner)
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is that why you guys are posting so much on the h2 site :-)

How do you do smiles 'n' stuff here?
 

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Alec,

If you look to the left, follow the "Formatting" link; once on that page, look around and you'll find a link to the clipart gallery to get to the bunch of them. But, some like :-) are simply just a colon and a close-parenthesis together...


-L
 

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Glad to have you H2ers here. Maybe you'll learn something!!

I'm the bloke that started this mother thread and I still can't tell if I'm sorry for it. I will say that what some of you have done with those H2 photos actually makes them even uglier than they are in real life!

Anyway - it's not personal, unless you are the guy with the chrome rims on that lowered Range Rover. Geeze, where do these people get their taste?

My brother owns a museum piece of an JF-62 and is on Toyota sites all the time. He posted this thread on one of the Toyota sites and it is getting the same responses there that it is getting here - they love it! Or should I say, they love to hate H2's. And they seem to like LR's - or at least respect them for what they are - like the Land Cruisers, a last of a dieing breed. And that is the point I wanted to make when I posted my photos of the rusting showpiece H2 - it embodies the loss of the soul of the true off-road utility vehicle. The over-bloated, chrome plated, gold neklace wearing, low-riding, no CDL, cheap-make-a-buck-sell-it-as-fast-as-you-can-and-run-before-they-come-back-holdi ng-the-warrantee-americanizing of what use to be a good thing! (And yes, that was a shot directly at Land Rover NA, and Ford.)

But even more than that, on the other hand, you have the right to own what you want!

http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net
 

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COHUMMEROWNER/Alec. That was me who said I liked your 'busa. My wife really wants one ... well so do I of course but I'd say she wants one even more.

And yeah, side steps are really useful for helping Aunt Bettie climb into your truck, and for finding misplaced rocks and stumps on the trail. Sorry to hear you trashed your steps, but hey, good riddance!

IMHO there's nothing wrong with owning an H2 if you take it off-road. Like I said above, to each their own and I'm sure you had your valid reasons for buying it.

And were you the one who posted that "threesome" picture on the H2 board saying you hope Carter doesn't get hold of it? Well, with an invitation like that it was bound to get over here sooner or later :-)
 

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carter,

the reason I say I will own a H2 is pretty simple. its a good starting point for a heavy power house rig. up here in the area I do most my wheeling Mud is the most common terrain. the H2 is only a pair of axles and and new suspension away from being a super mud runner. I could see putting some 44" boggers under one with a Dana 60 front and a Dana 80 rear. pitch the rear air bags for springs and set up a simple front coil system and your done. because the drivetrain is GM the aftermarket options are cheap and easy. the •••••• just needs a bolt in sprague gear and it would be plenty strong even with 500hp provided you had enough cooling and the flat roof would be a perfect place to do that. oh yea 500hp is cheap when its a chevy too, so building the power to turn 44' tires wouldnt be out of reach as it is with some makes.

the last reason is lets face it they are gonna sell a bunch of them and when the SUV sheekness goes away these things are gonna be really cheap. I know that dosent make sence now but I see RR's that sold for 60k new going for 15k all the time. ten years from now these H2's will be way under 20k and just dying to live a second life at the hands of a off-road tormentor.

and the reason H2 over H1....PRICE! The H1 will always be a very limited avalability vehicle so the used price will always have a slight collector mark-up to it...look at it now even beat to shit ex-military ones are bringing 25k and the price on civilian ones used has dropped to 33k and hasent budged in years.

and lastly look at me I still own international scouts...theres something about owning Bad Ass American Iron:-)
44

thom
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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ahhh mud, that makes a little more sense. I still want to see an H1 with FLEX though. :-)

You're right on another thing too, the used market for these things is already ridiculously large considering how new the model is, I saw some stats once but I can't remember them.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Look at "Steve R"s first post in this one:

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=6336024722

What an ignorant fool.
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Ahhh hell, I'm bored and feeling generous:

Given this pic:

exploder

4x4 guru 'Steve R' manages to come up with this enlightened response:

"That "thing" is so impractical it's not even funny. It's so top-heavy that it'll turn over if it hits a ridge the wrong way.

All it's good for is going through deep bogs and mud-holes. Why is it all these pictures like to show the axles in oppposing directions? Probably because if the axles were both leaning in the same direction the darn thing would roll over.

And let's not forget the worse part of it all: it's a freakin' ford! I'd take a Rover or Jeep over this "thing" any day!!! I'll race that thing through the desert any time!"

-Now I'll rag on exploders as much as the next guy around here, but thats still a pretty cool trail rig (even if it explodes every now and then :-)). This guy just looks at it and says "it doesn't articulate like a brick the way my H2 does so it must suck ass".
 

adtool
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
[That "thing" is so impractical it's not even funny. It's so top-heavy that it'll turn over if it hits a ridge the wrong way]

I thought he was talking about the H2


[All it's good for is going through deep bogs and mud-holes. Why is it all these pictures like to show the axles in oppposing directions? Probably because if the axles were both leaning in the same direction the darn thing would roll over.]

Ignorante and a poser. The worst of the worst. That guy is an imbecile.

-Chris
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
see the following post that says my H2 will go 90% of the places that explorer will go
 

Kevin Bridges (Craniac)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hey here's a good use for H1 stuff if you can get over that IFS stuff.It flexes and has ground clearence.Hope the link works

http://www.truckworld.com/trail-trucks/02-gremillion_shark/lead.jpg
 

Kevin Bridges (Craniac)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Sorry wrong page try http://www.truckworld.com/trail-trucks/trail-trucks.html and check out "Land shark"
 

John Moore (Jmoore)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Man, that is a crazy beast.

-John
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
thats Pat Gremillion of premier power welders rig, he has been a big power in the rock crawling world for a couple decades...he knows what it takes to build a good rig.

he has forgotten more about trucks then most guys will ever know.

just 9 more then I'll bet this one goes away
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thom,

isn't there something odd about the Land Shark?
To me, it looks like independent suspension ate all benefits of hub gears. The bottom points of the suspension are level with the circumferences of the rims. Why to use hub gears then?

peter
 

Kevin Bridges (Craniac)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I think the reasoning is gear reduction.I may be wrong but I think on a stock H1 the reduction is 2:1.A smaller,lighter engine,with plenty of power at the wheels
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
i'd like to edit my stance on this whole deal of bad ass...

i had my disco parked next to an H1 today, and just hit me that my disco is even more bad ass. :-)




The DiscoWeb Store - Videos, DVDs, Tshirts and Stickers
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
"i had my disco parked next to an H1 today, and just hit me that my disco is even more bad ass. :-)"

see, aren't you glad you've decided to start hanging out with us again??? :-)
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=7456080422&r=103 6007922#1036007922

watch the video on the first post. It has so much BS in it its not even funny.
 

Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
The question I wanted to ask them (but couldn't because they won't even let me join) is, how many of them would have still bought that vehicle if it had the GMC or Chevy name on it, instead of Hummer? Probably not as many. And yes, that video is a joke. Could the drivers not engage the lockers in that G? And what was with that water crossing?
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
peter,

it looks that way but the reasoning I would say is to preserve the CV's at dramatic angles. if the hub centers where in the center of the rim the CV's would already be at near failure angles just sitting static. when the drooped thyey would be way beyond where they have any strength. by using the hummer portal hubs the cv's run at a much better angle.

thom
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
yeah that video kills me
 

William C. Leek (Onionman)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
OK, I'll make it 300.
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Does anyone else think that SteveR is a total jackass?


My buddies wife has a disco and they say it's not even in the same clas as the H2
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Thom,

i buy that.

peter
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I followed the link above to look at the movie but it seems to have moved here:

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=7456080422

You can go directly to the movie here:

http://www.lynchhummer.com/videos/h2.vs.competition.mov
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
I just saw that video. I'm definitely going out right now to buy an H2!! It was amazing how it did all that stuff that my Discovery can't do.

Wow, I am a convert.

Oh wait, that was a D2 with street tires, driven by an imbecile ... never mind.

It's also interesting how they only showed CERTAIN vehicles at CERTAIN obstacles. They also didn't show the H2 stuck in a tight trail while the G drove circles around it, for instance. I also wonder which vehicle is the one likely to be able to take those obstacles day in and day out for the next 15 years.

About the only cool thing about that video is that they actually took one of the new Range Rovers off-road (sort of).

It does bring up a good point though in a way. The thing about North America is that you can pretty easily find parts for a GM truck like the H2. And you're never really TOOOOO far from a cell phone or a dealership. I mean sure you may be out $1000 for a tow, but you're never really truly screwed. You're not going to be sitting there with a broken steering rod while an army of Libyan rebels ride towards you with AK47s, for instance.

This to me is part of the mystique of Land Rover (and even Toyota & Nissan). I've seen them all over the world, in places where you'll never see a Dodge, Ford or GM.
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
so why when the Gwagon was going up the sandy hill was only one rear and no front tires spinning?

with front and rear lockers and a CDL i'd think even if it was stuck it would spin them?

oh yea thats why the whole thing was just staged bullshit!
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Musky , I am glad you were the one that stuck it out over there. I didnt have time to read much of it but god damn there are some uptight pricks on that board. Thats right H2 boys , I said UPTIGHT PRICKS...
For the record , as always , everyone is welcome to post. All that I myself ask is that they dont post the most ignorant shit they can think up. I would much rather read a debate over the two trucks then another "Disco owners under 25" thread. And H2 boys ? We wont ban you for kicking up dust as long as its relevant. If you post accurate shit as Musky was over on that board you are welcome to bash away if you like...
As far as my take on the H2 ? I dig it. I just dont dig it for the same reasons I dig the Disco. I think Musky hit the nail on the head when he said it was a nice platform to start with. Allot of work would make it a decent expedition vehicle. The Marketing on the thing is getting a bit tiresome though and WAY WAY innacurate !!

Kyle
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thom mathie (Muskyman)
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well kyle i think your right in alot of ways, I posted a thread there today about the new Studebaker XUV introduced today at the chicago auto show. it is a very H2 looking truck and the word is GM is involved. so thinking that these guys may wanna hear abouit it I post it and sure enough without even one comment from me other then hear about this?...I'm the bad guy and one of there guys says I'm causing problems?...talk about fucking insecure!
 

Barton Lish (Barton)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 05:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hmmm....Thom...maybe it's cause you have nothing nice to say and only manage to indirectly bash the H2? It's pretty obvious that Carter was like acid and just laid it out...while your taking the slow cancer approach to things.

Carter....you seem like a complete asshole in every regard, just brewing with insecurity and a compulsive need to stroke your delicate ego. Truly sir.....you are a scrotum sucking rectal wart.

Your right...the H2 forum has suffered a great deal of harrassment. They were just bombarded by a whole pack of Jeepers who endlessly threw everything they could in their faces. Oh by the way....Jeepers think you guys are a bunch of pansy-ass pretencious morons with yuppie machines that aren't worth a damn. They make a good arguement!

It absolutely amazes me at the degree of intensity you spend trying to mess with the folks over there on another forum. LR's are widely known to be pieces of shit. I was going to buy one....except for the fact that every owner I met, every person driving one at a gas station, everyone I called who just sold their LR told me that would absolutely NOT recommend one. Quality sucks, reliability is questionable and they're only known as the yuppie machine of the decade.

I actually like Thom...but the rest of you are jerks. The only class you'll ever have is in a school room.

I'm sorry if I'm a bit pissy....but a contractor friend of mine, age 44, just dropped dead of a heart-attack while playing basketball with his two kids. In the grand scheme of things all this banter is absurd and disgusting.

Guys...these are just mechanical toys....we use them, drive them and they all end up in the same place. The H2 is cool...it's lifted well off the ground, has a lot good qualities and deserves some respect. Find it somewhere in your feeble minds to get over it and move on.

In case you can't figure it out....these thigns are only about 5 months old....not too many people are eager to trash them offroading just yet. We do wheel them and you'll see more down the line. We have nothing to prove to you...but obviously some of you have some serious issues.

Say what you will...I shall NOT be returning to this forum again.
Carter....two words for ya: THERAPY!!!!!
 

Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 06:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Man oh Man,

This is Good Shit. Kyle Writes: "The Marketing on the thing is getting a bit tiresome though and WAY WAY innacurate!! Actually Kyle, the marketing is dead on. Look at the commercials closely. You will see the mighty H2 rolling along fire roads that a '70's ford pinto would tear up. Don't forget the chick who is feeling manly driving around town intimidating men. Yep, it's all about penis envy and fire roads.

On another note Kyle, I have been laying some peer pressure on a particular woman in town to let me drive her H2. She is very nice, but knows what I am up to. If I ever get the chance, I will report in full.

Carter, you are no longer an advanced member or senior member, you are now designated: "a scrotum sucking rectal wart" Stand proud my man, stand proud.

Have a nice day. :-)
 

adtool
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 06:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Hello & good ridance... asshole!

-Chris
 

adtool
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Therapy = two words??? What a moron!!!

-Chris
 

Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Geeze! All I asked was would he have bought it with another name other than Hummer on it. Seems very defensive to me. Of course, if I had bought one I guess I'd be defensive also. And as far as his references about the LR, you have to consider what crowd he probably runs with. My guess is the people he was asking had never even used them off-road. A prime example of "consider your sources".

Man, I really hate that he's not coming back. Seemed like a real easy target.
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
well you all know the reality... truth hurts. :-)
some just can't take it.




just DO IT!!
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
"two words for ya: THERAPY"

OMG, ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) I'm only counting one there buddy.

Oh and Karen please add "scrotum sucking rectal wart" to my list of nicknames (I think this is my favorite one yet).

Hugs and kisses Barton, I hope the Prozac fairy visits you tonight!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-)
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
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quick check out the post I just did in fun in hummers before they erase it.
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
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that took a whole 15 seconds for them to get rid of it anyway I will post it here
image is to big so here's the link
http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=2626066622


They were having a caption contest with this photo

my caption was:

SteveR still can't get any with his new H2 he had to go downtown and pick up a hooker.

I guess they didn't like that
 

KJ (Karen)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Jesus, "scrotum sucking rectal wart"...I'm going to get writer's cramp!

Karen :-)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
quote from wheeling guru Steve R:

"Your purpose here is quite simple....since Carter's IP is blocked, your over here on his behalf to give us a hard time."

Yes, go forth my minions and spread the flames!!!!!!!!!!! Don't give up yet, these pansies are just about ready to start crying for mommy!!!!! Everyone register and go tell them what uptight pricks they are!!!!!!!

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
 

Andy Thoma (Andythoma)
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When I stopped autocrossing and decided to get into 4 wheeling I was quite ignorant to the ablity of any brand name. I owned a 4x4 nissian p/u for hauling gear and cars. I knew it wasn't the greatest offroad and wasn't worth modifing because of its length. So I began looking for trucks. First stop was to to look at xtrerras, I listened to the marketing. Fortunity I had lots of jeep buddies that told me to say away from unibodies and ifs. Wanting more room than a wrangler I dumb lucked into finding the D1 I now owned. I aways wanted to own a LR and fell into the trap of believing the marketing. Now I know much more and I am still happy with the purchase of a LR. I think lots of people will be disapointed with the H2 if they come into this sport with minimal knowledge like myself. Also I don't think I would have gotten into wheeling as much as I did, if it hadn't be for dweb. Dwebers seem to have the ablity to give shit and take it to. Its called fun, I think some, not all, of those h2 owners need to look up the definition of the word. Man, I now am a yuppie jerk because I own a LR. I actually bought my truck because it was cheaper than any jeep in the same condition, so I'm a cheap bastard, not a yuppie trait. Also I guess I don't have class, but I rather spend my time in woods instead of a class room.
 

Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Man, they can't even seem to come up with original ideas over there.

Hmm, putting captions on H2 photos ... now where have I seen that before???

And ironically it still takes d-web readers to STILL come up with better captions than the H2-only folk...
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted by 'COhummerowner' in the H2 forum:

posted February 13, 2003 04:01 PM
"Hey Brian, I am still game but don't forget I am relative beginner off road so its not a fair match/test from a driver perspective. I just wanna go wheeling and like to have fun; I am not so into the truck vs truck stuff."

he he, sounds like someones gearing up for a beating (lets hope its not Brian's disco again :-)). Sure, now that he's going wheeling with a rover he isn't into the truck vs truck stuff....... He sure was into it back when the keyboard muscles were being flexed in those deleted threads.

 

Alec (Cohummerowner)
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Carter (AKA scrotum sucking rectal wart) I am sure I did not post in those deleted posts (unless I was hammered and don't remember). Like I said I could give a shit about this vs that, I just like to get out in the hills in Colorado. I have two good friends with Discos and I don't have a bad thing to say about Discos.
You on the other hand... Ah fuck it your not worth it.

Peace

 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Man I got plenty of bad things to say about them :-)

I suggest you change your skin for a thicker unit Alec , if you plan on hanging around. Its just a bunch of bullshitters anyway.....

Just for kicks though I would like to say that the H2 will NOT go where the Disco will and I have worked on enough GM crap in my life to know that it wont even attampt it nearly as long .. :-) That should get your boys over there all fired up and calling me names now.. :-)
I am wondering if anyone over there knows just how hard it is to remove the CV from the front of that bastard trailside when it explodes... For sure the Dico will spit them out as well , its just so damn much easier to keep on going without it...

Kyle
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Prescottj (Prescottj)
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"keyboard muscles"
LOL
H2 owner already making exscuses
LOL
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
oh, you were definitely talking smack now own up.
 

KJ (Karen)
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Jesus Carter, you have shaken the spelling and punctuation right outta your new buddies. I might have to add " facilitating language deviant" to your credits, LOL!

Karen :-)
 

todd slater (Toddslater)
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This has truly been a hoot to follow...however, i am disappointed there have been no pics of scrotum sucking rectal warts....oops I forgot about this one

 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Barton,

sorry to hear about your friend, losing a buddy is a tough thing to deal with.

getting worked up enough to have a heart attack over trucks wouldent be worth it either.

people can say my posts over there are cancer, I think thats a joke. my posts over there have been straight forward and to the point.I have tried to contribute sound non vehicle specific information in a concise manner when people there have asked for it. I have held my tongue while being attacked like I killed someones first born. I have given tips that if they where bullshit guys here would call me on them in this forum for you guys to see.

so no matter what anyone says I'm just fine with it.

thom:-)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Nice Todd :-) :-)
 

Kevin Bridges (Craniac)
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Im selling my hummer.Id rather sell it than be associated with a bunch of wimps.You guys from the H2 forum come over into "their house"and run your smack calling these guys out and yet NONE of you will back it up.You,I,know you would look stupid trying to match these guys off road,why can't you just admit it. If you think im wrong challange them.Fish or cut bait.Man you guys look silly.I love my hummer,I waited three months for it and I think its awsome but its not the best offroad vehicle in the world.It has some Strong points and some weak points SO WHAT.The disco guys are banned by the wimps on your board so you come over here and start crap.Its like teasing a tied up dog.Until they are allowed to post on your board you guys should keep Quiet,either that or let the trucks you keed defending do the talking for you.BTY on second thought im keeping my hummer because I like it .
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
welcome kevin...now and forever


:-)

dont sell the H2 just hang in there the posers will sell and at some point the owners will all be true off-roaders...and you will be way ahead of the curve...way ahead:-)
 

Blue (Bluegill)
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yeah, Kevin's got his shit together...
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Fawkin A man :-) :-) :-)

And I'll ditto what Musky said, keep the H2 and learn to be a real offroader unlike the pansies over at that H2 forum. I don't think its a bad offroad vehicle, not bad at all, it just needs some work (like most stock vehicles do). As Kyle and Musky have said earlier it looks like a good starting point so take advantage of it. I would suggest trying to find a better H2 forum (as in one that cares more about offroading than tissue holders), and if you can't find one just start hanging out at as many 4x4 forums as you can because there is a lot of stuff that will transfer over (especially if you are able to find a non-redneck full size chevy forum -do those exist???? :-)) And of course all of your general 'how to drive offroad' stuff is going to transfer as well. If you are new to the 4x4 thing try and find a group of guys to go out with, you will learn 2 times as much the first day as you ever would in a year of trial and error by yourself. This is a great hobby, go out, have fun, and feel free to poke some friendly fun at other rigs just don't hesitate when it comes time to try and prove them wrong, there is no shame in being defeated it just gives you a chance to learn something about your driving or modify your rig in a way that prevents it from happening again.
 

Alec (Cohummerowner)
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Hey Carter, I never said my h2 is better than ?? on any formun in any thread because it's not true. I know that. I did not spend whatever on my H2 for it's off-road capability. I got it because I think it looks cool, is fairly good off-road and is like a caddy on the road (which is where I spend 95% of my time in it).

I do not have anything against you. Please don't accociate me with a bunch of other people on a darn web forum.

Oh and it was not crack, weed maybe but not crack.

I guess I have just offended crackheads
 

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Username: Gregh

Post Number: 67
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Kevin-

I don't know where you wheel but I bet anyone on Dweb will be happy to winch you out as many times as needed. :-)

I also bet you won't even see any of your so-called H2 buddies much less winch you out...

GregH
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Senior member
Username: Muskyman

Post Number: 158
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
kevin,

i would guess you will be putting a strap to a few disco's as well if you join some of us off road...what goes around comes around and everyone gets stuck.

thom
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Member
Username: Prescottj

Post Number: 172
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
MM care to share the email that HeeHaw sent you?
 

Kevin Bridges (Craniac)
New Member
Username: Craniac

Post Number: 27
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
Prescottj
I saw that too.HeeHaw is on the edge,and to think that guys a cop is a little disturbing.He must be a detective because he sure is nosey.Coffee and sugar can be a bad mixture
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Member
Username: Prescottj

Post Number: 178
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
LOL

HeeHaw and SteveR are way to defensive. Kind of reminds of the parents who think they have the cutest baby in the world and when somebody disagrees they get there panties in a bunch resulting in a chapped ass.
 

Prescottj (Prescottj)
Member
Username: Prescottj

Post Number: 179
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
"Instead of buying your son an H1, spend the money on some education. If he spells and punctuates anything like you, then he surely needs it.
If you own a H2, you are definitive proof that the US is the land of opportunity. If an uneducated immature churlish 34 year old can make money, any idiot can."
After this statement by PhilD I added him to my H2 shitlist.
There's more proof that H2 owners think they are better than everyone else. The statement pisses me off. You have to be highly educated to be rich. WTF. Owning an H2 doesn't mean you are rich. I hope you see this PhilD and I'm going to take my 70k Range Rover and go watch Simpsons and JACKASS reruns. At least the guys not making the mistake of buying another H2 and buying his kid an H1 so that just proves he is not as dumb as you think he sounds.
 

Will Singleton (Yondermountain)
New Member
Username: Yondermountain

Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 02:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
HeeHaw

H2 Veteran
posted February 15, 2003 06:06 PM
"The DISCO IDIOTS are really Amusing themselves. They need to go home, that is if they have one.

They did this out of Spitefulness, they didn't do it for a laugh. I read their threads on that POS website and they don't like us. They have used many pictures of us and all them to just make fun and attempt to make us look stupid.

When posting anything on this site, remember it will end up over there with stupid captions and followed by several mean spirited posts about you and the rest of us on this forum.

Watch muskyman or whatever his name is. He is the leader of the idiots over there. He told them that we trusted him now so he can mess with us some more.

Just remember who you are talking to when replying to anything the DISCO IDIOTS say, espically the leader Muskyman.

I don't understand them so I ignore them, but when I see our stuff used this way over there, it pisses me off. That have nothing better to do than to talk shit about us. Pathetic!!!!!

Steve seems to trust that idiot Muskyman, not me."

 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Senior Member
Username: Muddyrover

Post Number: 654
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 02:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
this was so funny that i couldn't leave it alone.
The 3rd post got me

http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=1206011432&r=438 6059632#4386059632
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
Member
Username: Scrover

Post Number: 197
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
ha, perfect! wonder how long they'll leave that up?
 

Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
Senior Member
Username: Muddyrover

Post Number: 655
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 03:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
until jason wakes up and goes to work at the hummer dealership and sees it
 

Eric Pena (Evalp)
Senior Member
Username: Evalp

Post Number: 375
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post
How did all of these guys get misslead to belive that the H2 is so great. It seems so logical to me!

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