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Usoff
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 03:58 am: | 
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has anyone used the stickers for their black out hood? is it really bad compared to pray paint? and when it does break down is the rest of the sticker hard to remove? |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:26 am: |
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I just had one put on that is made out of 6-year 3m vinyl in flat black. I had it done by John Vigg at www.vigdesigns.com. I think it should come off easily enough with the proper agents, but I can't attest to that for sure. He offers them via the internet. Check out the site under land rovers. He has them for D2 even though it's not on his site.
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Usoff
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 12:11 pm: |
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cool thanks!
at first I always thought those blackouts are some sort of lighter weight carbon fibre hood or something =) |
Brian Dickens (Bri)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 12:17 pm: |
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I did black out on my hood about 3 months ago. Masked it, sanded and painted with Krylon. Looks good, but if you do not take the hood off so that you can spray vertical, you will get drips.
I do not believe that there is any way that the flat black paint that I put on there will come off without sanding. Its also thiuck enough it likely will not chip for many, many years.
It works absolutely wonderful, during the day and (unexpectedly) at night, no head light glare from oncoming vehicles.
The decals did not look flat enough for me. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 12:43 pm: |
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Yes, there is still some sheen with the flat black vinyl, but it is such a drastic improvement over the white painted hood. Wish I had done this last year when I got the truck. I notice the largest improvement during early morning sun glare. Haven't really had a problem with night time off-road driving, even with all four hella 4000's running. My reason for the black out was mainly for sun glare. |
BW (Bwallace35)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:01 pm: |
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I used the flat black that is made for painting charcoal grills. EXTREMELY FLAT and no glare at all.
BW |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 09:22 am: |
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I painted mine about 2 years ago. Total cost was about $10 or less. (alot cheaper than decals)
I sprayed mine in place, and only masked with 2" tape. But I got some overspray. Use newspaper in addition to tape. DuPont rubbing compound took off the overspray just fine, but it was work I could have avoided.
I didn't sand mine, but did wash it well. In two years I haven't seen any deteriation or flaking. I was careful, and sprayed several light coats, and so didn't get any drips. I did mess it up a bit where I bumped it with the can and smudged it.
I vote for paint. |
Jess Alvarez (Jester)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 12:31 pm: |
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Tom, arent you concerned about all those CFCs that come from using aerosol paint?  |
Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:26 pm: |
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I had a hood decal that was fading and cracking lightly so 4 months ago I taped it off with newspaper and tried the spray route but after 5 cans and it still looking like shit, I used oil based flat black and rolled it using a fine roller with 2 heavy coats. Its still looking sweet.
Chris von C. |
Tom Rowe
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:17 pm: |
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Jess, no more so than the outgassing of the vinyl stickon's ;-) |
Brian Dickens (Bri)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 11:08 pm: |
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Well, yes it is better than the white hood, but just take a look at this:
http://www.viggdesigns.com/images/rover/roofdecal03.jpg
With the flat black that I used (krylon automotive camo paint), there is absolutely 0 glare off the hood. Kind of creepy the first time I drove at night.
Chris, what brand of paint did you roll on?
If you do the hood in place it is will not look nearly as nice as if you take it off and paint with it vertical. |
Tom Rowe (Trowe)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 09:44 am: |
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I'm curious. Why whould you one pay so much for a sticker, as opposed to paying alot less for paint? I can't imagine a sticker being easier to appy. Also, unless you live somewhere the sun rarely shines, if you ever remove the sticker, the area that was hidden is going to be a lot less faded from the sun and weather than the rest of the car.
Just curious. |
Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:22 am: |
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Brian,
In friendly disagreement, I painted mine in place and it looks perfect to me but I also really took my time and made sure i was very even in rolling the paint and let it set for an hour before hitting the next coat which I did x-ways from the direction i put first layed down.
I will have to look tonight on which brand I used, cant remember off hand. I like it better than the original LR OEM sticker because even that sticker had a little glare back. The paint now is like a little black hole.. nothing bouncing off that sucka.
Chris von C.
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Brian Dickens (Bri)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:31 am: |
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Rolling would solve the problem. Spraying with cans that put out a round spray and the cans themselves are pretty difficult to get even and avoid dripping, thus my comments.
Mine is good, but not great, thus my question about your paint. Maybe I will roll on a coat to get it really even without any drips. |
Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:47 am: |
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Ok.. I do agree with that. For me, spay was disasteous especially over the original hood sticker and I am used to spraying things to look like new from my old job. First off, I taped off the hood decal with newspaper and still ended up with a bit of overspray. 2nd - I burned through 6 cans of spray and still could not get an even finish when it dried. Those OEM sticker SUCK up the spray paint like its going out of style. 3rd - tha parts that did manage to look evenly coated had water stains after the 1st frost hit and evaporated. So thats when I went to rolling with oil based.
The biggest problem was the pitting in the original decal that was pooling and causing uneven coverage with the spray.
I guess I should have done a write up with pictures when I did it. I could always retape and take pictures of going through the process and send them into Ho for a write up.
Chris von C.
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Greg (Gparrish)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:51 am: |
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here is my vinyl from John Vigg. There is a small amount of sheen in direct sunlight, but it still is a great improvement over the paint and if I ever want to remove it, I still can. Maybe one day I will paint over the sticker like Chris did, but for now, it works for me. |
Brian Dickens (Bri)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:30 pm: |
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I understand Greg, I thought about the same thing. However when thinking about it I decided that if it accomplished the task (reduces glare), then I would never desire to take it off. Not too mention that a good flat paint is likely even that much better than the vinyl WRT to glare improvement. Not to mention cost and paiting is fun, at least for me.
I would never try to paint over the vinyl (IMO). |
Corey (Discobro)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:36 pm: |
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You shouldn't have a problem with fading if you decide to take the sticker off later. That seems to work well for white paint cause white fades to what? White. No problem.
I have a black hood so the glare isn't as bad but it would be nice to have no glare at all. Except , being 6'4", how am I going to see if the stoplight is red or green??? |
Greg (Gparrish)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:44 pm: |
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I hear ya. I may at some point change over to paint. Maybe my reluctance to not use paint at first is to make sure I like the look on my truck. I can easily remove the vinyl if I don't like the black hood overall, but paint would be costly to reverse. I agree that paint probably has a better effect, but again, it just wasn't for me the first go around.
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Nathan Hindman (Nathanh)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:58 pm: |
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Chris,
When you painted your hood, why didn't you take off the sticker first? Just curious since I'll probably strip off the hood black out on my Disco and paint it next winter.
thanks,
Nathan Hindman
http://www.PangaeaExpeditions.com |
Greg (Gparrish)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:01 pm: |
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Along the lines of this thread, what is the LR original sticker made of? The same 6 year vinyl that John Vigg uses? |
Jack Quinlan (Jsq)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:59 pm: |
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has anyone tried taking their hood to a pro auto paint shop and having them do it? I realize it would cost a bit more but they have the right equipment and high quality paint to do it once and do it right. I have a white disco and those 4 hella 4000s really light it up at night. It only slightly bothers me but it makes one of my passengers car sick. My disco isn't a shrine to perfection but it would really bum me out if I screwed up the painting and it looked all cheesy. any experience? |
marc olivares (Pugs)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 02:07 pm: |
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jack,
i took my truck to a local paint shop and for $70 they painted the matte black on my hood w glassurit paint, gave me a life time waranty on the paint and polished out the line silky smooth. Worth the money and time savings.imho
marc |
Greg (Gparrish)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 02:13 pm: |
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That's awesome Marc. I will try the vinyl for a while, and if I decide that a black hood is a keeper, then I will probably follow your route with a professional paint shop. |
marc olivares (Pugs)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 02:41 pm: |
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greg, once you go black you'll never go back! besides the glare issues, lets face it, it lets the world know that it's not a soccermom disco.
commit yourself. hee hee hee
marc |
Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 03:27 pm: |
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Nathan,
I left the original decal on as a safety out mostly and second as a built in guidline and 3rd as an established base for the paint to grab. If I really messed up the painting, I could always just have removed the whole mess by peeling up the decal which I almost did after spraying but desided to try rolling the oil based paint and it came out all good so I left it. After all.. I really could not do any worse than what I had after spraying. Personally if I had another truck with the hood decal already on it in the same shape, I would do it the same way I did mine (without the spraying though). If I ever need to redo the disco hood in the future though, I will peel up the whole mess and put another fresh decal down. If I had a truck without a decal to start with, I think I would buy one to kick it off with.
Chris von C.
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Greg (Gparrish)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 03:57 pm: |
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So Marc, I guess what I meant to imply was that if I ever didn't like it because it hurt the resale value, or it hurt the harmony at home, or it ................ what ever. I also guess you have a point. My truck is looking very little like a stock Disco these days, so I don't know why I am that concerned.
Chris, you have a good point that once the decal is there, you can paint over it as needed, and still have the option to remove it. Plus it gives you an outline and base to work from. |
Matthew E. Seems (Mattd1)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 08:28 pm: |
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out of curiosity,
is the XD disco have a sticker or flat paint?
-matt |
Greg (Gparrish)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 08:29 pm: |
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Sticker I believe. |
Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 08:58 pm: |
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Brian - I used Rust-oleum Protective Enamel Flat black Oil Based.
Matt - XD hood black out is a sticker.
Chris von C |
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