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     Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) advanced member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1347 Registered: 04-2002 |
Okay... I thought I would start this in a new thread since the other one was getting a bit long. Given that both vehicles are in the $70k+ range, Would you rather have a G500 or H1 for a trail vehicle? Why?  | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2002 |
i don't know al, depends on which one has a full floating axle.  | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) advanced member Username: Carter Post Number: 1782 Registered: 04-2002 |
TRAIL vehicle I'd go with a G just because they are more compact. Hauling a bunch of military equipment and personnel around a desert or something I'd go H1. Special ops I'd go Defender for the smaller size and less immediate recognition factor (guess thats why the Rangers use them ) | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) advanced member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 630 Registered: 02-2002 |
h1 hands down 'The chicken's got the perfect combination of breasts and thighs, white meat and dark meat, if only it wasn't called bestiality' | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) advanced member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1350 Registered: 04-2002 |
Axles asside Ho. But I know you would just trade either in for a new Rangie in AA Yellow.  | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Advanced member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2002 |
H1 in a blink the MB I would always feel like I had to watch what I was doing. the H1s are really beefy and tough to break. the portal axles protect the drivtrain from damage. plus the inboard brakes and CTIS is just soooo cool yep H1 in a blink | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Advanced member Username: Gregh Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2002 |
Out of the box for new vehicle? An H1 But I'd rather have an old used 3-door 300GD diesel or even 280GE with removeable hardtop with lift, tires, etc. Or a 97 D90 with auto... No getting left behind at "the squeeze" like you would with an H1. GregH | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) advanced member Username: Carter Post Number: 1784 Registered: 04-2002 |
Good point Greg, I was assuming mods are allowed. Out of the box I'd say H1 for various clearance issues. | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Advanced member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 118 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think you've probably got it right, Carter. In the desert or in the mud, the H1 definatly ... but, running down a mountain trail you'd definatly have to go with the G. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 618 Registered: 08-2002 |
If anyone's serious, a friend of mine just flew out to Scottsdale from NC and picked up a brand new 2000 H1 for 50% of MSRP! It seems the economy has taken its toll on new H1 sales and the larger dealers have a surplus of unregistered older model years still on the lot. It was NOT a demo. It had like 300 miles on it. If you ever wanted one, now's the time. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 124 Registered: 02-2002 |
As a trail vehicle, easy - the G. The H1 is too wide for many trails, whether it's the mountains of Colorado or the hills of Missouri. Plus stuff from Germany will probably get cheaper as their economy craters. - Mark | ||
| Mike Carino (Mikec) New Member Username: Mikec Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2002 |
I would have to say the G. It has the best of both worlds. Nice,luxury interior with usable space and all the creature comforts. But it is also built for off-road. Three locking diffs standard and if you crawl underneath of one, you'll see all the design thought put into it. The design function of the H1 is great for off-roading, but the interior design suffers for it. I never liked driving them on the road either FWIW. | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) Advanced member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1006 Registered: 04-2002 |
What if you factor in the fuel costs? I was checking out the 6.5 turbo diesel and man, I thought my Disco got bad mpg. I think it is rated to get 10mpg on a good day......... | ||
| gp (Garrett) advanced member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1807 Registered: 10-2001 |
well that 10 mpg is only 1 mpg or 2 from my fat bastard truck that i drive around in. | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) advanced member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1009 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yeah, but based on the stuff I was reading, that was the best it gets. I realize it is diesel and not gas, but still I thought it may be better for some reason. Maybe my information was wrong? I surely don't want to change to anything that get's worse mpg than my disco. I get roughly 200 miles on the ODO per trip to the Texaco. While I realize that with my tires, this is the equivalent of about 216 to 220 miles, but that still only equals about 10 mpg based on putting roughly 20 gallons in per fillup. SUCKS ROYAL BRITISH ASS........... | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Advanced member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2002 |
I'd honestly go with the G. H1 is too big...too impractical for driving around on the streets. I've seen many instances where Hummers can't go between two trees, and the G is much more maneuverable in that regard. Also, as far as out of the box capability...4 fellas with stock Gs ran every single trail in Moab, much to the amazement of the Jeep and Toyota guys. The G does everything; it has luxury, capability, and image, plus it's new to the majority of Americans. And, even more, the Gs are known for not getting noisy over time with creaks and clicks (unlike our Rovers). I can't say I know about the Hummers, but it would be nice not to have all those noises. I like the G so much I'm looking to get one from the mid 90s right now... Brad | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) advanced member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 457 Registered: 09-2002 |
Al, is the question implying that one absolutely have to plunk down 70-80 grand? I'd take a G280D or G320, well-used, from Germany, preferrably from a military auction. You can get one for between 3 and 20k, ship it over here for $1.5-2.5k, and make it street legal for another $2-5k. The flip side is that you can buy a brand new one for 80k off the lot, but you'd need time and some patience to get one from Germany. peter | ||
| Will Bobbitt (Rkores) Advanced member Username: Rkores Post Number: 171 Registered: 09-2002 |
I would have to say the G. I got to drive Camille's G-Wagen Sunday threw a big snow drift. I stoped in the middle of it, then I tried to go again, but I just spun. She fliped the middle and rear locker switches, and boom we were out. The H1 is way to big to fit on almost every trail I go on, plus they don't have a good service track record at all. Most of the military people that I have talked to don't like them. One guy said that when the Hummers get stuck they go get an old blazer and pull it out. My .02 Will | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) advanced member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1354 Registered: 04-2002 |
Peter, My question is directed to walking into a lot and driving off with a new vehicle. A diesel G would be very nice and there is rumors that they (MBUSA) might bring them to the NA market but they're not here yet. | ||
| Camille (Gwagenbabe) New Member Username: Gwagenbabe Post Number: 95 Registered: 05-2002 |
Al, the rumors about the Diesel G, are just what they are... Rumors. It will be a long time before MB brings a diesel G over, unfortunately. Due to the terrible quality of our Diesel, they don't believe a 400CDI would work well with it. Don't get me wrong, I still drool over the G400CDI cabrio I got to drive in germany... Anyway, G vs. H1... Definately the G... althugh i am a bit biased *C | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) advanced member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1357 Registered: 04-2002 |
What little news I have on the Diesels have to do with word that MBUSA was to introduce the E class (I think) with a 2.8l diesel in 2004. So it would seem logical that it would move up the line. The engine is already in use here with the V class (sold though Freightliner). But I don't keep up with the news from MB and with the economy the way it is who knows. At least the U500 made it to this side of the pond this year. | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Advanced member Username: Gregh Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2002 |
Our high sulfur content diesel supposedly keeps many euro diesels away (except VW!!) What MB really needs (IMHO) is to bring over a decontented SWB 3-door Gelaendewagen with factory options for winch, lift, tires, etc. Since it's what I find desirable I'm sure that there is NO market for it! Course I think LR should bring back the D90-what do I know? | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) New Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2003 |
Is the supensions in the G-Wagons similar to that of our trucks? Is there much aftermarket support for them> | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Advanced member Username: Gregh Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well, they're coils on live axles but the ones I've driven didn't have quite the articulation of my Rover. On the other hand I didn't miss articulation with 3 locking diffs! I almost bought a grey-market 3-door SWB '82 280GE in '92 before i bought my '89 RRC. It had sat in a storage garage in AZ for 10 years and only had 10K miles. My wife liked the RRC better and that clinched it. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) advanced member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1359 Registered: 04-2002 |
Phillip, I think that even MB sells taller springs for the G. But Camille might be able to shed more light on it than I. I think fitting taller tires on them while stock it very easy. The Land Rover suspension and drivetrain have more in common with the G than H1 or H2. | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) New Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
The G-Wagen guys tell me there are some 10+ combinations of springs available from the factory with different heights and spring rates. No need to worry about aftermarket lifts when Ma Benz sells them at the dealer. -P | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) advanced member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1013 Registered: 04-2002 |
However, when Ma Benz sells them and there is no competition, you will need another 80k to outfit your new truck............. | ||
| Camille (Gwagenbabe) Member Username: Gwagenbabe Post Number: 96 Registered: 05-2002 |
Yes, there is a bit of aftermarket G stuff available, but it is a PITA to get it, (shipping, and it's just downright expensive). As for the factory G springs, I personally have not used them, they're very expensive. I am actually getting some 3" springs from a company in Germany, who specializes in making G's off-road ready. For some cool looking tricked out G's, check out www.extrem-motorsport.de and www.orc.de | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) New Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
681 Euros for springs!? Are they on crack!? You can call up Hypercoils and get custom springs to any rate (or multi-rate) and any length for MUCH less than that and save yourself the shipping charge. This is what I was in the middle of doing when RoverTym starting marketing springs. | ||
| Camille (Gwagenbabe) Senior Member Username: Gwagenbabe Post Number: 97 Registered: 05-2002 |
MB'S springs are more expensive than those too... As for custom springs, I would definitely get some, if there was anyone around here who could make some cheaply. I live in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) New Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
Define cheaply. When I was going to get custom springs from Hypercoils, I was looking at $500. But, I could have had a dozen sets made and when spread out over a run, the costs dropped to a more reasonable $300-350 or so. So see how many of your G friends would like new set of springs. Hypercoils is only a phone call away and they ship to anywhere, even BFE. Just ask those dirtrack racing guys... | ||
| Willie Joubert (Willie) New Member Username: Willie Post Number: 79 Registered: 02-2002 |
Different vehicles for different applications.....you should really be saying the H1 or the Unimog....The G is in the same class as a D110. UNIMOG rocks!!! (Hummer recovery vehicle) |
