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     Brian Fransson (Brian) Member Username: Brian Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2001 |
http://www.lynchhummer.com/videos/h2.vs.competition.mov Came accross this video...interesting footage...enjoy. By the way it's a large file to download. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2002 |
i knew the H2 was bad ass.  i just knew it. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2002 |
The really sad part about that video is that people will eat that shit up because they dont know any better.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 133 Registered: 11-2002 |
and they are...just read the thread over on the H2 page they are all back on there soap boxes flexing there monitor muscles because of it. what can you do? that test track in south bend is really a pretty simple track...and the few tough spots never showed up in that video. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1814 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yep, they are sure are eating it up: http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=7456080422 I like the part where 'wheeling guru' Steve R says that the H2 is better because of all its underbelly protection. Is he referring to those pieces of aluminum foil GM taped under there?????? | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2003 |
man, that video is wrong, all wrong. i found the most disturbing the bell that went off when for some odd reason the cars entered the water, WTF was that about? rd | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 380 Registered: 09-2002 |
Seemed a little biased to me, imagine that. I wonder why they didn't put the rr in off road mode? And maybe if they found someone that wasn't a hack to drive the other vehicles. | ||
| Jroc (Jroc) New Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 66 Registered: 08-2002 |
LOL, that's a funny video! What it doesn't tell you is that you can buy a used Disco, mod it out, then buy a new Harley and chrome it out with the left over $$$! And doesn't a Lexus come with electric lockers front and rear??? I noticed that H2 didn't have the optional side protection bars aka cheap hollow step tubes! The H2 would be great for picking up bitty's at the lodge in Vail, or as they're leaving the louis viutton store in there bogner ski suits! I think the H2 actually has an expresso maker as one of it's options. I believe it comes with the yuppie package! Which includes: a Grande Latte Frappa Chino holder, Hummidor, zinc oxide dispenser, and heated loafer locker, to store your gucci loafers while you're apre skiing! I remember reading an article that compares the H2 to the H1, and they said that the H2 couldn't hold a candle to the H1. Ford may have the Eddie Bauer edition but I hear Hummer is working on a Starbucks edition of the H2! Can't wait til that comes out!!! Chai tea dispenser and all! | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jroc, my hummer came with a srarbucks gift card due to the espresso machine being on back order(dealer said about two months.)and the only loaf being heated is mine by the bitchen heated seats.I was hoping they would show the part where they hooked the hummer to the disco and the hummer pulled it around like a poodle on a string.Seriously though I cant get the video to Load even went to the Lynch site and tried it there.Dam,oh for some good biased entertainment | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) advanced member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 232 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey, I'm in the process of putting it up on my server. When it conquers my cable modem's pathetic upload speed, you'll be able to find it at: http://www.clarke.ca/media/movies/h2.vs.competition.mov It's around 14MB. Andrew "bandwidth to burn, baby" Clarke. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) advanced member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 374 Registered: 10-2002 |
One thing I've noticed, over there is that there is that they can take advantage of the large GM aftermarket. Check this out... http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=2606011751&m=6126043032 | ||
| Matt (Doc175) Senior Member Username: Doc175 Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2002 |
I could not see the video but have no doubt the H2 is outstanding offroad (though no H1). However, I agree with everything JROC said. For that kind of $$$ I better get hookers and cold beer free for life. I feel pretty good about saying the H2 is an over-priced abomination of its father, that kowtowed to the 'yuppie I'm never going offroad' wanna-be weekend warrior. I rented one for a week when traveling for business.....Can you say plastic piece-o-crap on the inside. For your $$$ toss in windows with a field of view reduced to that of a nuclear sub? Speaking of submarines, you have more interior room hot-bunking with a 300lbs pirate named Paco that in the H2. I could go on and on and on....I will give you the great seat warmers. That was hands down one of the best feaures of the H2. Otherwise, they can keep their faggoty tilting-sideview-mirrors-in-reverse-so-they-don't-scratch-the-rims-H2 | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) advanced member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 234 Registered: 10-2002 |
So Matt, it sounds like you weren't very impressed with the H2. Am I reading you clearly? | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Advanced member Username: Markp Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2002 |
Just a little misleading - which says a lot about GM and the H2. The water fording depth of both vehicles is 20 inches. So why did they stop the Rovers as they entered the water? And the G, it has 3 locking diffs. Video shows one wheel spinning. Mmmm. Again - says a lot about GM more than it does about the H2. | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Advanced member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2002 |
Ok, that video is really messed up. Why did they show a G spinning a tire while the others were stopped? Maybe if they engaged the lockers things would've come out better.... | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2003 |
Still cant view the video,even tried the link Andrew set up but no go.It sounds like something Lynch Hummer did not GM.Does it give the source on the video or who it was produced by? | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1818 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thom, PLEASE go over there and yell at 'firebreather' for me. He's doing that stupid "just look at the numbers" shit again (the numbers GM pumps into their gullible heads I might add). | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 384 Registered: 09-2002 |
I just posted a challange to firebreather. Lets see if he wants to pony up. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1819 Registered: 04-2002 |
He won't because these guys aren't interested in wheeling, they are interested in owning the "newest and best" vehicles, so instead of wheeling they sit around in their big circle-jerk and tell each other how cool their trucks are and what they can do based on the GM specs. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) advanced member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 253 Registered: 07-2002 |
I've been through 20" in my Disoc I, no water ingress, no engine coughs, just some steam and a lot of fun. I've also never heard of a locking diff that lets a wheel spin. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 385 Registered: 09-2002 |
Oh that is probably why no one has taken me up on it yet. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1820 Registered: 04-2002 |
I just got that video to finally play, man is that some dumb shit. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 386 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yeh, I had to watch it a couple of times. Bunch of schmuks driving those other vehicle huh? | ||
| Bruce Mac Lennan (Bmac66) New Member Username: Bmac66 Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2002 |
This sounds like a WWF fight - its fake too. Bruce. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 387 Registered: 09-2002 |
bruce, that is a very good analogy. | ||
| Jroc (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 67 Registered: 08-2002 |
The funniest part of that video is when they stop all the other trucks from going through that big puddle, then drive the H2 through it! LOL Yeah, nothing but a H2 could get through that!!! Kinda reminded me of OJ trying on the glove! See, it doesn't fit! LOL And the H2 has a gasoline engine just like my Disco, so it aint going in water too deep! With or without the sexy straw thingy! H1 diesel, that's another story. But seriously, the H2 is a nice vehicle if you're a florist who's into collecting flowers in remote places! Niiiiiiiiiiiiice!!! | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) advanced member Username: Bri Post Number: 189 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hey Brian, maybe you didn't read the fine print. Firebreather doesn't even own an H2. | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 297 Registered: 02-2002 |
Damn, I am waiting for the ok to post at the H2 site, what kind of BS is that?  Brain, I like your idea, I say we invite a few to come over to Carnage Canyon and we can see how they compare Or they could just meet me in Moab this weekend | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) advanced member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 235 Registered: 10-2002 |
For those who can't view the video - it might help if you save it to your hard disk first and then run it. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) advanced member Username: Bri Post Number: 190 Registered: 08-2002 |
BTW, they denied my registration, what is up with that? I tried the username discodude, didn't think that it would matter since there was a muddyrover and such. | ||
| Don Collins (Donc) New Member Username: Donc Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2002 |
That video was a bit funny. I was up at LR Fort Worth over Christmas to get a 12K service check and the manager was talking about the off road test course they set up for buyers. Yes this the ones they scaled down so the Freelander can make it over. The H2 guys came over and wanted to run the course so they could show off the H2. Well so far 3 of them have flipped over doing it. Like I said this was all from the manager and I was not present there to see it but if it did happen it would have been a funny sight. Anyone know if that every 10K mile service is true for the h2? From what I understand it is a diff fluid change.. Price tag right at $1,000 each time. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1822 Registered: 04-2002 |
-Blake (muddyrover) registered a while back and wasn't posting during the big ban so they past by him, If you want to register make sure nothing about rovers is in your info. I am SOL because I'm IP banned. "For those who can't view the video - it might help if you save it to your hard disk first and then run it." -And make sure you have Quick Time downloaded, if you don't you can get it free from the apple site (yeah, even if you have windows) | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 388 Registered: 09-2002 |
You going to Moab this weekend Dave? I am going to be heading up near boulder on sunday, I can bring the brush bar with me and meet you if you are back by then. I am envious. There is a guy that wants to go wheeling with me. He seems like a down to earth guy. I think he posted a couple of time on d web too. Brian I did catch the fact that he doesn't own a h2, funny huh? | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2003 |
Im sorry Don but I must cry B.S. about 3 hummers flipping over on the test course.You flip 3 hummers over at the compititions test track and no one got a picture of it? Thats bull crap.And this guy has no reason lie right? Im sorry but thats to much belive.And im sure these were prof. drivers on a closed course,right? COME ON | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 389 Registered: 09-2002 |
Got to agree with kevin about 3 hummers flipping. I bet if it happend at all it wasn't more than one, and if it was more than one the hummer people are really stupid. | ||
| Don Collins (Donc) Member Username: Donc Post Number: 83 Registered: 04-2002 |
Kevin I agree but it did make a funny story. I will be up that way again here so get some stuff added on and see if I can ask around for a picture. Someone had to have taken one. | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Advanced member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 299 Registered: 02-2002 |
Brian F, Damn, I need to get that Brush Bar are you going to Carnage Sunday or just hanging out in Boulder? I will see if I can find someone to get it for me. Sorry I am not coming down to Colorado Springs this weekend, but when I told the wife I had a three-day weekend she said.... Ohhhh, can we go to Moab. I guess I will give in since it is Valentines Day and all BTW, the front is painted and mounted, I will send you some pics tonight. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) advanced member Username: Bri Post Number: 191 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well then, I tried making my registration just like here, but I bet I am IP banned now. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 390 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dave, I am just drivable for the time being. Still no cv joints. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1825 Registered: 04-2002 |
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| Jeffry Scott (Jeffry) Senior Member Username: Jeffry Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2002 |
That H2 video is just crazy bad. The H2 people are so sucked into the hype. But then there is another video over there, which I can't find right now, of an H2 going up a small hill and getting stuck and backing down - a woman in the video is screaming "shit." Brian, you should link your independance trail write-up and pics, I know you mentioned them, but show them. Your offer of wheeling stock to stock vehicles with them is great, it will be interesting to see if there is any response. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 391 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jeff good idea. I'll give it a try. Never done a link thing like that before. | ||
| Camille Brown (Discolady) New Member Username: Discolady Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2003 |
I just wanted to butt in with a different video...hope you haven't seen it yet... http://multimedia.campus.luth.se/poff/filmer/landrover_-_military_vehicles.mpg Discolady | ||
| Rick Lindgren (Slacker) Advanced member Username: Slacker Post Number: 116 Registered: 06-2002 |
Man, that H2 video was some funny shit. I'm suprised they let the competition run the course with all four wheels mounted. They obviously weren't using most of the other equipment on those trucks. | ||
| Jeffry Scott (Jeffry) Senior Member Username: Jeffry Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
http://www.microsource.com/alecdontdelete/dscn5595.mov This is the link of the H2 backing down a minor hilll and the woman screaming. It's big (17 megs) so give it time. | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) advanced member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 237 Registered: 10-2002 |
That H2 video was one of the funniest things I've seen in my entire life!!! I can hardly believe that even happened. *shakes head* OTOH that Land Rover military vehicles promo video is very cool. Thanks for both, in their own special ways ;-) | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1830 Registered: 04-2002 |
Cool video Camille, I love military rovers, that part w/ the lightweight getting dropped from the plane gave me wood Oh and that H2 video, well words don't even begin to describe that piece of shit. "Give me a heart-attack"????????? Give your husband some testicles so he can drive up a stupid incline (we aren't gonna even call that one a hill). If I ever fucked up on such an easy 'obstacle' (not sure if we should even call it that) you sure as hell wouldn't see a video of it on here the next day. GO BACK TO YOUR PT CRUISERS YUPPIE SCUM AND LEAVE THE WHEELING TO THE PEOPLE WITH BALLS (and Kim and Heather ) | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) advanced member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2002 |
Posted on behalf of Muskyman; I presume you wanted this video up here: http://www.clarke.ca/media/movies/Hummer-Tip.mpeg This is the one he referenced on the H2 BBS, placed here for our viewing pleasure. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1832 Registered: 04-2002 |
sweet, thanks for hosting that Andrew | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1833 Registered: 04-2002 |
Is it just me or are there passengers in that thing???? If so I believe I would go see if they are okay before I high-five my buddy. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1834 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ummmmmmmm, on second thought I hate to spoil the party but out of fairness I should point out that he is rolling the thing ON PURPOSE for some reason!!!!!! I'm serious, crank the volume and listen to the crowd and then watch after he gets out he reaches down, grabs the bumper and pushes it over!!!! I'm serious, look close. Sorry to spoil the fun but hey its better than a Hummer guy pointing it out. | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) advanced member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 239 Registered: 10-2002 |
Carter initially I thought he did it on purpose too. But I just went back and watched it again and I think he was just trying to prove that he COULD tip it over, and then it went over. You'll see him trying to pull it back down but it just goes over anyways. There's a woman in the back seat, I think she's the one babbling that he's "going to hit his hitch". Bummer for her. If that was his wife, I'll say the rolled Hummer was the least of his woes!! | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 139 Registered: 11-2002 |
the story as it was told on pirate was that the guy had been up the ramp a number of times first then he would get out and rock it to show how stable it was...this time he had 2 people in it and it went over...he then high fives and shit but I think thats just show boating kicking in. | ||
| adtool Unregistered guest |
After looking at the "H2 vs. Comp." video. All I have to say is, pure propaganda. Most of that video is just silly. But lets be honest for a sec... Stock Vs. stock the H2 wins. Until it breaks, and you know it will. Then the cost just skyrockets, add that to the equation. Also the H2 is a pumped up Suburban with good offroad angles. While the disco has been emasculated, feminized if you will. A fairer test would be a Disco with an OME suspension upgrade, CDL, and comparable tires to the H2. -Chris | ||
| Barton Lish (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2003 |
The H1 was flipped over on purpose. It was done intentionally as a stupid stunt. It's been done before. You guys seem awfully irritable about the new Hummer. I saw it and like it. It's well off the ground, has an extensive 4x4 system and I think it has a 2 lockers on it too. It certainly seems quite capable. Why the jealous hostility? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) New Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 153 Registered: 02-2002 |
Barton, Did you actually read this thread? It seems to me that the consensus of the thread is that most people were pointing out the fact that the video was clearly biased in favor of the H2 and would like to see an apples to apples comparison. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) advanced member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 627 Registered: 08-2002 |
NO hostiltiy. We just don't like the way that GM is riding the coattails of a proven name. There's nothing "Hummer" about the H2 other than the borrowed name. It would be like Ford slapping a green oval on an Escape and then claiming it's the Best 4x4xFar"! | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 154 Registered: 02-2002 |
Finally got the thing downloaded. I especially liked the hill climb. The H2 has got his wheels lined up in the bottom of the ruts, where the ground is obviously more packed, while the rest of the trucks go out of their way to drive in the soft stuff. Not to mention that the H2 is driving twice as fast before getting to the hill. | ||
| Tom Rowe (Trowe) Member Username: Trowe Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Just watched the GM H2 video with a coworker who has a Wrangler. We both thought it was hillarious. I *did* notince the disco had the 18" street cruiser tires on it. Stock for stock? yeah, maybe so, but as a previous reader said, for the price of the H2, you could do better tires, lift and front and rear lockers on the Disco, have an equal (or better performer) and still have lots of money left. I have about 13k invested in my disco and it would go everywhere that H2 would. I did notice in the video they didn't do any really narrow trails, like between trees ;-) | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2002 |
Barton, no jealous hostility, just frank discussions of different vehicles and whats good or bad about them. they have gone on for a long time on this site and many others. go to any 4x4 event and guys will be debating the merits of each vehicle and its limitations. the fact that a number of H2 owners feel attacked is there own insecure feelings. thats what the 4x4 world is about. debating, learning,experamentation and improoving. ever been out with a group?...there is always some goating and peer pressure to try things and take it to the next level. its all in good fun. The H2 site is kinda funny ,on one hand they ask specific questions then when you give them specific factual answers based on known characteristics of vehicles they attack you with petty name calling, and comments about your spelling and punctuation. the H2 guys havent been singled out,they like to say they have because they can then tell each other "its because when your the best people take shots at you" then they feel better about there purchase. I want them to feel good about there purchases. I want them to learn about them and work to make them better,thats what I feel recreational 4wheeling is all about. but falling in line and just stroking there ego's because they spent alot on what is most of there first 4x4 sorry not gonna do it. that said ...H2 guys...you have good rigs...and yes they are a great start as far as platforms go. but just like all the other trucks out there ,thats all they are, a start. you want hero status your gonna have to finish it and build them because real off-road vehicles are built not bought! thom | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) advanced member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 628 Registered: 08-2002 |
Amen brotha! | ||
| Marc M (Mosi) New Member Username: Mosi Post Number: 23 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hmmm.. bought my 2000 SD with 12k miles and a few goodies for $27k.. put about 7k more into it so figure 34k for the truck. The way I see it, I spent 16-20k less for something that could hand the H2 it's ass, dollar for dollar. | ||
| Mr Man Unregistered guest |
I wonder if H2 owners hum while they are blowing each other off?? Randall | ||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) advanced member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1232 Registered: 02-2002 |
Why did they put an ARB bumper on the Disco in the test? Also, who cares about the price. People always bring cost into the comparisons. Compare the truck not how much it cost. You can get a Jeep Rubicon for less then a Disco and it will stomp the Disco off road. Too bad the G-Wagon and Land Rovers had the crappy street tires on them. Test would have come out much different. One of the test clearly shows that the G-Wagon didn't have it's lockers locked. I thought that water test was crap too. As soon as the nose goes in it would come right back up and level off but, they didn't want to show that in the vid. They just put it in reverse. Any of those H2 owners in the Northern Va area? I want to go wheeling with them and see what the H2 can do first hand. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) advanced member Username: Bri Post Number: 194 Registered: 08-2002 |
Although I really wished to contribute direcly to the thread over on H2 forum, the administrators apparently believe that my contributions would not be valuable even though I have never posted. Shoot, I even tried the user name "WannaHummer?" and a female first name. Well, personally to me price is king. I would not own a H2 because I happen to believe that dollar for dollar you are not getting as much for your 4 wheel buck. For less than 1/2 the price of a H2 you could have a bitchin' coil over rig like that built by Kent Pollack http://www.discoweb.org/kentpollack/index.htm. With that said I would also not go out an purchase a new Disco II, again too much money for me. Personally I believe that the '03 H2 and '03 D2 are both over priced since I do not desire many of the features (had I only known that rear AC, jump seats, brush guard and running boards would never be used). Frankly, if I get another 4 wheel SUV type vehicle, it will likely be a Unimog. Now there is bang for the buck. Here are other reasons why I would not own an H2 (or many other new SUV for that matter). - Over priced (if I was spending big buck, I'd get an H1). - Too Big (can't even get it through many trails). - Hard to maintain - For it size it is not built too tough - Independent suspension - Plastic - Many of the stock items I would rather have aftermarket (skidplates, bumpers, sliders...). In my opinion comparing stock to stock is a worthless argument, since I would not own a stock Disco OR a stock H2. Personally I consider my disco completely stock (http://www.discoweb.org/briandickens). I have not altered the engine, suspension or driveline in any way. Merely protection. I would gladly 4 wheel with any H2 owner, and would love to see how they perform with a novice vs experienced driver at the helm. I don't think we would need to call it a competition since we would all work together to get all vehicles through the trail without harm to the vehicle or passengers. Afterall that is the fun in wheeling. It is just as fun to see a beginner struggle over a fairly moderate obstacle with coaching as it is to see an expert attempt the incredible (at least for me). With all of that said I do feel that the an H2 with big tires and a rear locker would give it some degree of advantage over many other vehicles as they are when you drive off the showroom floor. I definitely would put a showroom LC with lockers up against it though. One of the most interesting posters over there on the H2 sight s Firebreath. He calls all the specs on the vehicles and tells how the H2 is categorically THE BEST vehicle, but yet he does not own one and therefor is likely very clueless about their true off road ability. One thing that I have foud is that experience is about 99% of four wheeling. Even the most capable rigs ca be challenged as with the driver. With no experience in the owning an H2 I would say that is is blowing smoke rather than fire. He got stuck on flat ground in a little mud. Damn, it takes A LOT of mud to get me stuck. Some other good posts are from Steve R stating the soccer mom image. Frankly I have seen more and more Discovery in the area looking less and less socker mom. Out here in CO/UT, there are a lot of serious four wheelers. I have been on the most difficult, most popular trails at the most popular times in a state where wheeling is a really big deal. In the two years that I have been back to CO I have seen a lot of Jeeps, Toys, Suzukis, and Rovers and in the 2 years and probably 24-36 trails that I have run, I have yet to even see an H2 or Hummer. So in general, what owners should be consider grocery carriers, soccer moms or poseurs?? Brian F: Although I do have a stock vehicle I will not loan it to you for this little competition. However, please do feel free to point Steve R and Firebreather over to this link since their administrators are so lame that they will not allow an honest/sincere new member. And I would have really liked to post over there. BTW I really do wish to see how one of them performs, even on something less difficult than Independence where I can do the trail without a hammering. Something like Holy Cross, Spring Creek or Chinaman. I'd gladly let them follow me through Jenny Creek as well, should be easy for them right? Its only a 6 or 7. ;-) | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 1879 Registered: 02-2002 |
just watched that h2 vid. funny shit. I don't have a sound card here at the office, but I pictured the theme from Benny Hill playing in the background. Shit, give me a ford pinto and I'd clear that test track and the off-road course. But that big yella h2 sure is purty... | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 392 Registered: 09-2002 |
I think I have ben banned. They deleted the entire thread. Brian d...comeon man...let me use your truck. | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) advanced member Username: Jason Post Number: 278 Registered: 04-2002 |
The H1 vid on the RTI ramp rolling over...it was not intentional. It was pointed out that the owner of the H1 would commonly ramp his H1 with three wheels supported (the 2 rear and the front ramped), then bounce the H1 as it pivoted between the ramped front wheel and the opposite rear wheel. Story goes the ramp in the vid was a steeper incline than the ramp the owner usually used, wasn't aware how far up his front wheels were, and the tipping over was completely accidental. And yes, the H2 vid is propaganda BS. I'd have to imagine the "competitors" tires were probably aired up to the manufacturer's "max pressure" to aid the comparison! | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1840 Registered: 04-2002 |
yeah, Thom set me straight on the ramp video. Man what a DUMBASS!!!! | ||
| Dominik Chrzan (Dominik) New Member Username: Dominik Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2001 |
something smells fishy .....     | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well guys, Jim Lynch (the site owner and a really nice fellow) had said the video was there to be humorous. To be fair, the link on his page, if you followed it, said so. It wasn't intended to be a real comparison. That said, in the water crossing pictures, the h2 is going through the water trap designed for it. The other trucks are going through the H1 water trap. Hence the disappearing sign that was pointed out. Jim has pulled the video from his site since a bunch of people took it seriously, including the h2 owners which is where the problem arose I think. I guess it's all in good fun, but it's kind of sad that the h2 guys took it seriously and honestly thought that these other vehicles were that poor offroad. | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) advanced member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 303 Registered: 02-2002 |
Perrone, Do you happen to know if the H1 pond is deeper than the H2 pond? If so how much? | ||
| Bruce Mac Lennan (Bmac66) Member Username: Bmac66 Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2002 |
I love the way the owner of the rolled Hummer tries to become one of the "onlookers", rather than be what people are looking at. Did he say doh.??? Bruce. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior member Username: Carter Post Number: 1845 Registered: 04-2002 |
ha ha ha ha ha, thats freakin great!!!! Someone go post that one the H2 board. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2002 |
yep just as Kyle pointed out ...they where sucked in... just like all the GM literature sucks them in | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2003 |
The H1 pond is deeper, but I am not certain by how much. The H1 comes with a snorkel attachment stock, while the H2 doesn't so the difference is going to be several inches. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2002 |
when I was in south bend they had 20" 40" and 60" fording tanks. the H1 military versions comes in both 40" and 60" fording models. the 40" has the air intake about 6" above the hood the 60" goes to the top of the windsheild and has a second breather tube that runs up the side of the snorkle. it feeds all the hardware/gearboxes and the deisel fuel tank. cool shit | ||
| Kelley (Kelleymac) New Member Username: Kelleymac Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
Actually, the snorkel is an option for the H1, and not yet available for the H2. The H1 pond is 36" deep, the H2 pond 20" deep to match the marketing claims that GM makes about each truck. I've had my H2 deeper than 20" but not quite 36". It performed admirably well. Kelley | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2002 |
hey kelley nice to see you stuck around, when I was there more then a decade ago they had just finished the 2 shallower tanks and where just finishing the deepest one..the two where full of water and frozen solid. There also was 8" of fresh snow. in the video where you could see guide poles thru the wet swampy area. that trail led to a serpentein trail up a very steep hill. it had a spot on it that caused some serious pucker factor if you didnt take the right line. i have some pretty cool pics of that day, my father in law accideantly put a tire into a tree on the uphill side of that climb and rearly rolled a military hummer over half way up. to this day I am amazed it didnt go over. thats part of what so convinced me how awsome of trucks they are. thom | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) advanced member Username: Bri Post Number: 195 Registered: 08-2002 |
I almost posted that I thought that the demise of this thread was analogous to what would have happend had this video been used as a real advert. Can you say cease and desist? Looks like this prediction would have bee farily accurate after all... I commend Lynch from taking it away from the public before being really harrassed, this was likely a good business decision. Brian F: No way! Workin' on the truck this weekend? I will be down in the springs on Sat. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) advanced member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 395 Registered: 09-2002 |
Brian...yes indeedee, I am working on the truck. Swing on by. I get home around 6:30. | ||
| Kelley (Kelleymac) New Member Username: Kelleymac Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2003 |
Yeah, I'm still here Musky. I'd actually be around more if work weren't such a bitch right now. I figure the H2 bashing will die down after a while and the one section of the BB is great for trail info and camping tips. Gotta' love that! Kelley | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2002 |
yep brian hit it on the head...its only funny till all the other makers let there best people have a pow wow and pool there resorces into a suit. thats why the magazines walk a pretty thin line when they test stuff and make the test control information available on request. MM | ||
| Tony DiFranco (Nhrover) Advanced member Username: Nhrover Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2002 |
Guys have you seen the pic of the Disco pulling out the hummer from the mud? both are deep in it. The disco has a tire cover that says "hummer recovery vehicle" I think the tire cover was done in paint shop but funny either way. If i can get a copy i'll post it. maybe muskyman will post it on the h2 site... Tony D '00 D2 '02 Freebie | ||
| Mike Dougherty (Mikedougherty) New Member Username: Mikedougherty Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2003 |
Interesting video and reading. I have read both threads completely (BTW, I think they just moved the H2 thread to a different category, Other Off-Roading Vehicles | Lynch Hummer Video [http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=9526053822&m=7456080422&p =1]). Did anyone else notice that the Hummer didn't have any dirt on it? Did it even go over the entire course? Not sure why I brought that up, just an observation. Being an unbiased, disinterested (ok, maybe no-so-disinterested) third party (I have neither a LR or H2) I would have to say the guys on the H2 board reminded me of the Boxster board at Rennlist. People think the Boxster is a "Chick" car. At least until I take them for a ride. I don't think anyone has ever extracted themselves from my passenger seat and still felt the Boxster a "Chick" car (which reminds me, I need to get "Oh Shit" handles installed). In fact just the opposite, they most likely feel it is one awesome and capable performance automobile, since it surely saved them from almost certain death (not the driver mind you, but the car becomes the savior, how does that work???). I have to admit, I was guilty of thinking the same as them (that LR's are a soccer mom rig), until a buddy of mine took me out in his D1. I was very impressed with its capabilities and now have a completely different opinion of all Land Rover's. So much so that I'll probably end up with a RR Classic or D90 (I'd really like an H1, but 1] they are still to expensive, and 2] a little restricting due to the width). Anyway, I guess the point of this post is just to say that I'm a little dissappointed in the reaction of the H2 board, just like I was dissappointed in the reaction on the Boxster board. I don't understand why people have to take someone else's opinion as a personal attack on them, their family, dog, or whatever? I think it's that most people can't really tell the difference between a lively debate and an argument. I had a girlfriend like that once (notice operative word "had"), she would get frusterated because we would "fight" a lot. Fight? What the heck was she talking about?... OK, I'm on another tangent, so I will depart with: Have fun wheeling and I hope to have my own rig someday so I can join you. /mike | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2002 |
True fact: The H2 tested by 4x4 magazine and MotorTrend had the driver go over a rock pile and it high centered! Talk about a pavement pounder... |
