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     jerry d quintana (Exjeeper) New Member Username: Exjeeper Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2003 |
I broke my passanger side rear shock saturday. I tried to get it warentied today but they wont because the shocks were on the rover when I bought it. Is this true? I thought these shocks had a lifetime warranty? I have to give thanks to Pikes peak rover who helped me out for free saturday bofore closing and even offered to install it for free. Great guys. | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yes. Bilsteins are lifetime warrantied to "the original owner" (i.e purchaser). If the previous owner can get you the purchase invoice you may be able to BS your way into a replacement shock or repair of yours. Is shock actually broken? Stock replacement Bilsteins can come unscrewed where rod attaches to mounting eyelet. Just use red loctite and screw back in. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 135 Registered: 02-2002 |
This isn't the first post I've seen for broken Bilsteins. Might be a good car shock but doesn't seem stout enough for the Rovers. I put OME's on my 98' Disco I and am very happy with them. Now if I could figure out how to fit a pair to my Scouts ... The guys at Pikes Peak Rover are great, as are the guys at the dealer here in Colorado Springs. Mark | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2003 |
Have you closely compared the Bilstein and OME shocks? Considering the hardware from one, fits right on the other, I don't think either is more "stout", at least not at the stem end. Why can't you fit OME's to your scout? -P | ||
| jerry d quintana (Exjeeper) New Member Username: Exjeeper Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
I had procomp shocks on my jeep that I used for extreem wheeling for close to 6 years never broke one of them, never had one leak and they are under 30 dollars. I am seriously thinking of switching to another brand | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 137 Registered: 02-2002 |
Perrone, So if they don't 'look' stronger, I wonder what the difference is? Quality of welds? Material? I believe this isn't the first post I've seen on broken Bilteins while I don't remember broken OME's. Correct me if I'm wrong. As for the Scout, I need to rework the suspension. The old leaf springs a sagging and soft. Soft is actually good off-road. A 4" kit is available but some complain its stiff. A stiff suspension is not what I want on the soft mountain trails. I've thought about converting to coil springs but that would be a fair amount of engineering. Rovers and Scouts are equal in weight, just reversed on front /back weight ratio. So once I figure out the springs, I try and fit some OME's. - Mark | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2003 |
Mark, I believe the Bils' are shorter than the OMEs. Hence the breaking as people overextend them. They break at the weakest point, which is the stem. I've got over 100k on a set of Bilsteins with no problems at all. But the truck has a stock suspension. -P | ||
| jerry d quintana (Exjeeper) New Member Username: Exjeeper Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Mark what suspension kit are you speaking of? Have you gone to predator talk to mike? Isnt grindumup scout stil arround? alacan springs or rockymountain spring and suspension. you could also try http://www.colorado4x4.org/ for info http://www.dandcextreme.com/http:/ /www.colorado4x4.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002917 Yor right perrone the shock broke on the stem but my rover isnt lifted it has a coil spring conversion that came with the bilstien shocks | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jerry, GiddumUpScout closed several years ago. Rod decided to retire. He sold most stuff to Light Line of Louisiana and some to Predator. As for springs, many have used the Triangle springs. They are relatively stiff. That's how you get a 4" lift. Years ago the friend had a early 80's full size Jeep pick-up. The original owner thought the factory stock springs were too stiff so he replaced them with soft ones. The truck had the big block 440? engine. It was one of the best off-road vehicles for Colorado. Nice and compliant suspension with an engine that had lots of low end torque. It would just about idle up most hills. So I want a 4" lift, soft springs, 33" tires and OME shocks. I haven't put a lot of time into it. Too many other projects - like Rovers. | ||
| J E Robison Service Co (Robisonservice) Senior Member Username: Robisonservice Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2002 |
The only Bilsteins shocks we see breaking on a regular basis are the front ones on air suspension coversions. I think that shock mount puts them under more strain. We now buy the coil shock mounts and move the shocks back inside the coils where they don't break. And the posts above are right - we can warranty a Bilstein for anyone with a purchase receipt from any Bilstein dealer or anyone who had them installed at our shop as we retain all our records. But a guy who just has them on a truck he bought used with no shock receipt is out of luck as far as I know. | ||
| Bill Ross (Billr) New Member Username: Billr Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2002 |
In regard to air suspension conversion and front shocks; to move the shocks back inside the coils do you just need the cones and retaining rings? Or are there more bits involved? I'm looking for shocks for my converted '93 and I'm not keen on buying something expensive (they are all expensive since I'm in Canada (1.53x US price + tax and custom fees)) that will just turn around and fail as a result of the mouting design. | ||
| J E Robison Service Co (Robisonservice) Senior Member Username: Robisonservice Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yes, all you need are the cones and the rings with the studs underneath if they strip or snap. I don't know why the forward mounted shocks fail more often but in our shop, which is in the Northeast US, they surely do. John www.robisonservice.com | ||
| Bill Ross (Billr) New Member Username: Billr Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2002 |
John: Thanks. Is that failure rate on LWBs in general or just those who have had a conversion? You wouldn't think it would nake a difference in regard to spring type. Angle of the shock to the axle maybe. Thanks again, Bill | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 499 Registered: 09-2002 |
Mark, I have two jeeps like the J-truck you mentioned. One of them is an off-roader, with 3" of suspension lift, and the front springs are 9-leafs (fairly stiff). In five years of abuse, I have never had a Bilstein shock fail, despite the fact that the ones I had were of stock length and extended to the max often (never bottomed out, though). I have a set of Bilsteins on the Disco, and had two more sets on my other vehicles - and not a failure. All said... OME stems are 18mm, and Bilstein - 14mm. The Bilstein's monotube design may be more suited to lighter-weight off-road racers, Baja-style, when most of the action comes from the washboard roads. OMEs may lose the damping action quicker, but the sheer size of the stems will keep them together longer. peter | ||
| J E Robison Service Co (Robisonservice) Member Username: Robisonservice Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2002 |
Bill, I have not had shocks break on air sprung trucks. Just coil conversions. Not sure why. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 142 Registered: 02-2002 |
Peter, As for breaking, could be tensile or shear. Given that they break only if mounted outside the spring, they are probably subjected to a combined force due to angle. For tensile strength the difference between 18mm and 14mm is large. If I remember my mechanical engineering electives, tensile strength units are kg/mm^2. So tensile strength of a circular rod varies as the square of the radius. |
