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     Camille Brown (Discolady) New Member Username: Discolady Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
OK, I am not sure of anyone else, but I am 'bout sick and tired of non SUV owners bashing my ride...in this weeks Time mag, there is a hefty article on this topic...some guy did a survey and and found that SUV buyers... "are more restless...and less social than most Americans" (What the??) "they tend to like fine restaurants a lot more than off-roading" (yes to the first part, but not to sacrifice the latter-dork) "seldom go to church and have limited interest in volunteer work" (I hate to think what he maybe implying here) Kelly Blue book however said that the No. 1 attibute of SUV drivers 'is that they are "family-oriented," not self-oriented. (now thats more like it) Now this week, on the hill safety experts are once again bashing the safety record of SUV, one guy had the nerve to say he wouldn't put his family in an SUV, so he would rather put them in a car and take the risk of them being crushed like a bug by an H2...nice. The reason I got an SUV was I hate cars...I got a LR because they are safer and I think they are the best damn things on the road...I think that those 'other' rides give LR a bad name. I think that LRs are the safest by far and if some idiot in a car decides to take me on then it sucks being them!! Maybe I'm a SUV snob, but I'll be damned if I am going to let someone else tell me what the hell I can drive because some nut thinks that his Expedition is invincible and rolls over and does god knows what...idiot Taggers, vandals will not scare me out of my Truck and neither will gas prices, cars pollute just as much as SUV and just because they get better gas mileage, they still burn gas no matter how long it takes them to do it...SUV just do faster...why waste the time...its called time management:-) Anyway I think I am done venting...thanks for the time | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 449 Registered: 09-2002 |
I read a pro suv article the other day and it gave some interesting stats. Paraphrasing here. If we parked every suv in the country and never drove them again it would decrese gas consumption by a whole 3%. A lawnmower polutes more than an suv. I will see if I can dig up the article and post more about it. | ||
| Paul Grant (Paulgrant) Member Username: Paulgrant Post Number: 153 Registered: 10-2002 |
There was a lengthy thread dealing with this stuff last month. Arianna Huffington's anti-SUV ad campaign in conjunction with numerous reviews of Keith Bradsher's book "High and Mighty" precipitated a flood of negative response here on Disco Web. Regarding the quotes you cite that are so disparaging to SUV owners, they in fact were the result of studies commission by the auto manufacturers not some green tree huggers. While we may not agree with everything that's in a book like "High and Mighty" I think we have a certain obligation to at least educate ourselves about some of the valid issues it makes. I guess the recent DOT comments have brought this issue up again. Do a search for the thread that discussed this topic, I think it was something like 'SUV owners support terrorists' and then flame away. | ||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2002 |
OTOH, there's this! http://www.theonion.com/onion3907/wdyt_3907.html Karen  | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 357 Registered: 08-2002 |
Brian, that 3% is deceptive though....if we all put our SUV's aside and then drove cars, even very efficient cars, I bet the number would be below 1% which is what would happen in reality anyway. | ||
| mark allen (Markallen1) New Member Username: Markallen1 Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
I would guess that the private jets that arianna uses to go around the world uses more fuel than my little disco........... | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 359 Registered: 08-2002 |
Speaking of Jets and polution, anyone ever read any of the articles on what happened to our atmosphere in the week following 9/11 when planes were grounded? Apparently there were measuable improvements in air quality and ozone and all kinds of stuff. Not sure whee I read about that...anyone else see it? Seems to me that the SUV bashers should go after that issue!! Gas and polution!! | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1239 Registered: 02-2002 |
"If we parked every suv in the country and never drove them again it would decrese gas consumption by a whole 3%." FWIW Brian, 3% is not a lot considering the world's oil supply is estimated to only last another 45-60 years depending on consumption. Yes, that includes the untapped resources up north. With World population expecting to reach 8-11 Billion by 2030, that consumption is on the rise. Now, don't get me wrong Folks. I love driving my gas guzzling Pig, but there is going to have to be a time when everyone on the planet (not just us bad Americans) gets together to figure out an alternative, powerful, energy source. Rans, has a good point about aviation. I bet air quality was better and noise pollution around airports ended; but impact to the ozone layer was probably unmeasurable. Remember, it took millions of years of the Earth's 4.6 Billion year history to create the Ozone. Check out this link for some interesting numbers. http://www.osearth.com/resources/worldometers/worldenv.shtml Paul | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think eventually, electrical cars will be the answer. The power source technology isn't quite there yet, driving cross country in a vehicle with 60 mile or so range isn't feasible. Charging time is an issue too, it should take no longer than filling up a gas tank. These problems will be resolved eventually, and we will se a switch to electrics once it becomes as convenient and and cost effective as a combustion engine. Of course some thought have to be given to where that electric power is going to come from, if it comes from a coal or oil burning powerplant, we just moved the problem from one point to another. But for now, I happily drive my V8 powered Land Rover, screw the SUV bashers.  Click picture to visit the store | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 304 Registered: 07-2002 |
Not sure where to find it on the web, but my brother said last time he was on post he was reading about the new Hummer (real hummer) that the military is getting - hybrid diesel that has more HP and Tourque than the original and gets 40-45 mpg. Take note of the diesel prices in your town, they have gone up only slightly compared to the gas prices. I heard on the news last night that gas stations are basically using Iraq and the economy to push up prices as far as they can to see what the public threashold is for high prices. http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) New Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.evparts.com/about/rover.html Speaking of electric, I saw this thing at the first Twist Off in Grand Junction, CO. Maybe it'll be the best of both worlds. | ||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 223 Registered: 08-2002 |
Axel, I think you answered your own question above, electric cars are not the answer, it merely transfers the problem...not to mention the addition of all the new lead acid or other configuration batteries that would be piling up. However, the tree huggers in true tree hugging fashion once they've shifted the the problem from themselves to an easily definable target, the local power industry in this case, they then can rally all of their tree hugging brain dead do gooders to force the brain dead politicians to pass more regulations to effectively make it impossible for the now "newly found evil doers" at the local power plant to operate. Hydrogen fuels is probably the way to go. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2003 |
One thing I found amusing was reaction to Bush's plan to spend money on Hydro fuel cell research. The greenies finally got a president say he would spend millions to try and develop an alternative clean fuel source, and they come back with, well its not going to do anything for us right now, and its not going to change things for years. What do these people want, all of us to just recycle our cars and walk every where while eating tofu and petting all the nice cows and pigs we no longer eat? Move out west, people out here in Utah don't even think twice about driving suv's. Plus with our snow and harsh weather we get, you are safer in an suv. I think gas engines will go away, but it will be years to change and I agree with Axel, I'll happily drive my LR till then. We do dyno type emission testing under loads out here, the best test for emisson output you can do. My 95 discovery puts very low emmissons, before we got rid of my wifes '99 32mpg Jetta, my discovery actually put out lower emissions than the Jetta. | ||
| Camille Brown (Discolady) New Member Username: Discolady Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
Would deisel be a viable option? They use it is Britain and I can't understand why it is not widely used here... discolady | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1243 Registered: 02-2002 |
Camille, Diesel is in the same boat with oil / petroleum products in which we consume from the Earth. Andy is right. Until the Greenies hear Bush say that we are not going to war, not going to rape ANWR, and not going to eat cow; they will not be happy. | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) Senior Member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 274 Registered: 10-2002 |
I like "Franklin Lowe's" comment on the Onion link above: "I just feel bad for the SUVs, forced to live all cooped up in the city like that." Amen to that. We have our SULEV BMW for road trips (it's for sale though if anybody wants to buy it) and the Rover for when we need the space or want to go off-road. And sure, if somebody wants to put a diesel/electric hybrid or a hydrogen fuel cell in an interesting vehicle package for an affordable price, I'll buy one! | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 557 Registered: 02-2002 |
pretty sure there is a piece on NBC news tonight regarding the supporter's viewpoint. Jaime | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 56 Registered: 01-2003 |
Remember GM's ev1 electric car? They gave up on it after 2 years selling it because on one was buying it. That was like 92-93(?), they said not enough people gave a shit to want to buy it. I remember reading in Car and Driver about the honda civic hybrid. They compared ownership of the hybrid verse a gas powered civic for overall costs and emission output for 4 years. The cost was basically a wash as what you saved in gas was replaced with the extra cost of the car. The emmissons was lower but pollution from the old batteries and power plant emmissions would be a major replacement for the output of the gas engine. They said the only thing you'll get from the hybrid is a clearer consence. So if we don't go to war and Sadam just decides to give up without a fight(fat chance) and everyone in the middle east just desides to love us and give us the oil they have as sign of peace, would I still be supporting terrorism by owning a SUV? One of my wife and mine favor things to do is wheel out into the middle of no where, set up camp and cook a fancy dinner, including cow, drink wine, read a book and watch the sunset of some beautiful landscape in rockys. If that makes me "restless and antisocial" so be it. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1809 Registered: 02-2002 |
Burning oil is evil, so they say....  So, let's all get electric cars. Over 50% of the US' electricity comes from coal.   Burning coal is evil; make electricity in a different way. Nuclear power makes electricity. NO! We don't want another 3-Mile Island, or worse, a Chernobyl.  Hydroelectric, and we get recreational lakes, too.  Build a dam, and you destroy fish migration for spawning and thus create endangered species, rob downstream environments of nutrients, redistribute water supply to upper reaches that prevents lower elevations from receiving what they once did; and the lake's gonna silt up, making it a big pile of clay, and have no more usable lake afterwards.   Solar power, then. Do you know what nasty things go into making those cells? The sum of effects of mining on the local environment to obtain suitable chemicals; the effects of byproducts disposed of when processing the chemicals; the energy used to process those materials to produce the right base chemicals from which the solar panels can be made; so the end total is a home that can claim to be enviromentally-friendly but instead is 3-times as bad as just using coal-produced electricity. (You should ask me about how a styrofoam cup is completely recyclable and efficient to produce, whereas a paper cup takes 4 times the energy and produces a much larger waste stream in production, and ends up being landfilled...)  Oh, I don't want to hear that,  .... use wind power. Sure, build those towers in the high-wind areas where all of those endangered condors soar. Or off-shore, where the sea-birds go fishing. Watch the birds follow the lights on the blades when it's a heavy fog, falling to the ground exhausted.  FINE!  No electric cars.... we'll use fuel cells. Okay, sure.... how's that work?  Well, you use water.  But.... the covalent bond isn't easy to break...  Oh yeah, you use hydrogen, and it combines with oxygen to produce water...  Okay, that's better. Where are you getting the hydrogen?  Hmmm.... where do you get it?  Well, there's already an infrastructure for delivering it right to people.... it's called natural gas.  Gas? NO! We don't want to go back to the dino-fuel thing.....  Hmmm..... okay, there's another way. Wood-burning steam-engines would work.  NO! We have to reforest, not cut down more trees... think of all the habitats....  Fine then. Get a bicycle.  Sorry, I'm too fat from all the damned french fries... haven't you heard that I'm suing MickeyD's for making me eat there 3 times a day?  Sigh............   -L | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 492 Registered: 02-2002 |
Damn Les... are those all the available cliparts? Good job!!! Glenn | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1811 Registered: 02-2002 |
Not all, just some..... -L | ||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 80 Registered: 02-2002 |
Glenn, the really amazing thing is that Leslie did all that on his own time, not on the company dime, LOL! Dayum, that cheeseburger looks good....oh, and well-presented piece, too, Les Karen, glad there are no chocolate icons, or I'd never get past the first word | ||
| mantaray (Mantaray) Member Username: Mantaray Post Number: 132 Registered: 02-2002 |
Les - that was awesome. being an architect, sustainable building is something that i'm interested in. i love grilling vendors when they come in talking about how their product is "green". nothing is 100% environmentally friendly. you gotta get the best overall balance. | ||
| Eric Thatcher (Desertdork) New Member Username: Desertdork Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
I live in Utah... home of the F350 or F450 with lift kit, gun rack, monster tires, and V10 turbcharged engines. It does bother me a bit to see one after another blowing down the highway with one passenger. Seems a little silly to me. I think my D1 packed with a wife and three kids pales in comparison. I'm curious to know where the Land Rover ranks on the list of most hated SUVs. I would think that it is a little less hated because it actually has a purpose. Besides, sitting next to a Escalade or Excursion it's not all that big. | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 493 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL Karen... I never thought of that Glenn But then again, he could be working overtime...hehehe | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 77 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hey folks, I want a gauge of peoples perspectives. Here are some questions. Are humans part of nature? i.e., Are we natural? Are our actions and the resulting reaction unnatural because we are human? Are we not the same as other mamals, insects, or fish? Or are we nothing but hoarding vermin? A planetary disese. Are we natural beings that live to work as little as possible? Or are we unatural beings that will do whatever it takes to not only survive but thrive? And aren't both behaviors found in other species in nature? Is the extinction of a species by the hand of man worse than if by someother factor? I mean are we on top of the food chain? Or are we above the food chain and as a result have a greater responsibility? I know this allot to digest but do the best you can. -Chris | ||
| Camille Brown (Discolady) New Member Username: Discolady Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
Les, cool! Chris, I believe us to be natural beings destined to destroy our environment...we are at the top of the food and yes that is supposed to make us more responsible and we are to a certain degree, but as humans/mammals we are also destined to destroy in an attempt to survive and to survive by detroying-hence my idea of the circle of life-we are so high up the food chain that I believe we do not understand that this world is bigger than us and have no concept of being humble...check out Mars, they say that Mars may have been like the earth...hmm I wonder what happened, they now have no atmosphere and is an eternal crock pot on high...so since we are all going to die...keep wheelin' 'n campin' discolady PS: my personal belief is that man has played some role in the extinction of many species (xcept for Dino), and we are slowly working our way to our own extinction-damn I sound morbid-sorry:-) Wheel and be Happy!!!  | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 79 Registered: 08-2002 |
Camille, "Wheel, camp, and be happy" That sounds like a Dave Matthews song :-) -Chris | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Member Username: Bri Post Number: 214 Registered: 08-2002 |
The day that the majority of people actually seriously consider an alternative fuel vehicle is the day that we run out of oil, and not a day sooner. So for Bush, the autoindustry or anyone else to say that there are viable alternatives is merely lip service until then. | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2002 |
Human Power One more thing...if we all switch to bicicles or some human-powered vehicles where would we get the energy. See...our energy comes from the Kreb's cycle in the mitochondrian of each of our cells. The Kreb's cycle gets its energy fron pyruvic acid, which, in turn, comes from carbohydrates, which come from plants. So we will need more plants to be grown to produce the extra energy we will need. Where will these plants come from? Farms. In orger to increase the crop yield necessary for every person to power each of our own vehicles, we will have to use farm machinery, which run on petrolium products. Also...there will likely be some deforestation to make room for the extra fields we will need to grow the edible crops. What about the fertilizers that runoff into the streams and cause algal blooms which lead to eutrophication (low oxygen conditions) and kills all the fish. Then there are all the extra pesticides and herbicides that runoff and kill the zooplankton, thus destroying the food chain in the water. To put it simply...activists will always have some sort of soap box to get on and preach about. It is up to the people to be educated and try to see the big picture. We are all a part of this Earth (for now, at least). | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1812 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol.... a) I work for the state, so, I NEVER work overtime.... I was out of the office at a class the past 3 days, though, so I've only been online at home and not at work... but, I'm back today. b) I first started jotting down the "discussion", then went to get a clipart to stick in, and saw another that was applicable, and before long I had icons stuck everywhere..... c) mantaray, I agree, it's all about balance... that's what I do... I'm a geologist, an environmental geologist, that reviews coal-mine permits... we have to utilize the resource, yet obtain it in a manner that actually benefits the environment instead of harming it. d) Chris & Camille: in the biological sense, yes, we are very much a product of nature... we fought tooth-n-nail against better equipped critters... we just adapted to adapting. We figured out that, instead of trying to only live where ideal and taking a laissez-faire attitude to life, we could adapt our environment to make it possible for us to thrive outside of the most suitable habitat for our species. Only when you mix religion into the debate can you bring in the argument that there is a higher purpose above the food-chain, that we are sentient and can think to deliberately work to do better for the good of other species than ourselves. That's part of the argument of some religions, that by nature we want to consume to the point of destroying our surroundings; whereas by thinking in a "higher plane", we can transcend our natural actions and do what would lead to the betterment of all (or rather, most)... Not that it has to be tied to a dogma, though... like it or lump it, our society is built on a foundation that had the ideals of a particular religion in mind when it formed itself. No, it is not cuffed to it, you can think and act in accordance with what we know to be advantageous for other species, and not subscribe to any particular theology.... the goals of a particular theology can be parallel to the goals of our developed "morality" without having a particular individual believe in such... (however, the parallel theology is needed to maintain the course of morality, IMHO). Hmm.... I'd better be productive here, at least for a bit... gotta catch up from being out of the office.... -L | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1813 Registered: 02-2002 |
PS: Greg, If fertilizers run off, they're being over-applied. Same with pesticides. (here's where greenies bring in "organic foods" argument). If flood-plains were allowed to flood, the resupply of nutrients could be natually maintained... people were just stupid and built their homes in the flood plain, and now don't want their houses to flood, too. Crop rotation can enhance the growth output without using vast amounts of virgin soil. Our agriculture technology has grown to the point where very few can farm enough to feed many... our government actually pays people to not grow crops... And, we can use mules instead of tractors, lol... L8R, -L | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 81 Registered: 08-2002 |
Shit...manual labor and manual transportation. F-that! :-) | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 238 Registered: 11-2002 |
But if we use mules or oxen and manual labor we would have to feed them...thus more need for production...more room needed...then more mules and so on and so on. Also...what about the methane gas from the mules/oxen or whatever. Wouldn't that add to the greenhouse effect, which would contribute to global warming...melt the ice caps...make sea level rise...and make those of us who live on the coast to move inland? Then where would we live? We would have to clearcut forests to build neighborhoods...or build on the already clearcut farmland. Then the farmers would have to go clear other land for agriculture and ...oh, no...I've gone cross-eyed. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1245 Registered: 02-2002 |
Chris, In response to your question above: Yes, we are a natural part of the Earth. However, we differ from animals in the fact that Humans work to control 'their' environment as opposed to animals that work to adapt to 'their' environment. I am all for bicycle communting to work. But, I must admit that I only live 10 miles away from the job. The first 2 years I lived in NC, I did ride my bike to work. But after a few close calls with the local rednecks, I gave up. I think once the weather breaks, I will start up again by riding in a couple days a week. Don't get me wrong folks, Even though I slurp down Starbucks at the house; I am not a tree huggin greenie. The scrathes and dents on the Pig will prove that. | ||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2002 |
Thanks for reminding me I have to go out and muck the stalls.....talk about going cross-eyed.... Karen *#%^* snow making my life miserable...grrrr...... 9 inches in the last 24 hours, and it's still howling......horses haven't been outside in two weeks! | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 59 Registered: 01-2003 |
What if I pulled the engine out of my rover and used a team of oxen to pull it around? Would that be a greenie suv? | ||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 420 Registered: 03-2002 |
Leslie, excellent posts! (here's my icon:  ) You, manataray, and others here have hit the nail on the head; It's all about balance, we have to look at these issues and take a comprehensive approach. .... "(You should ask me about how a styrofoam cup is completely recyclable and efficient to produce, whereas a paper cup takes 4 times the energy and produces a much larger waste stream in production, and ends up being landfilled...)" LOL, Leslie, I can relate! (you also forgot to mention what paper cups are made from, LOL ....) I used to work for one of the largest manufacturer/suppliers of disposable foodservice products in the world. Let me tell you about "Earthday" 1990 on .. (LOL, man I'm dating myself here!). Suddenly there were so many Hollyweird celebrities on TV doing "public service" promotions about not using foam cups, plastic, etc. Those knuckleheads had absolutely NO CLUE what they were talking about. Just jump on the bandwagon! IMHO, they did more harm to their "cause" than good. We manufactured pretty much everything you could think of in terms of disposable foodservice products, including both foam and paper hot cups. As a matter of fact, our foam cups were not the typical "fat foam" ones, and the manufacturing process required even less oil and energy to produce. Still, we had to sell the paper ... Demand overtook supply, and it was costlier. Some of the smaller businesses were having a heck of a time because they couldn't get their share of paper hot cups nor could they sustain the cost increase. Some cities and counties in California even adopted measures banning the use of foam food service products (California, ha, what a surprise. Sometimes I'm so damned embarrassed to live here, but that's another rant, LOL). Sure, I made more money selling paper, but we still poured thousands of dollars into trying to accurately educate our consumers nontheless. Shortly thereafter, came that first big lawsuit against Mickey D's involving coffee spill and burn resulting from dropping a paper cup in which said coffee was just too hot. Hence, the revolution of the "double cupping" and paper wraps for paper hot cups was born .... (not to mention luke warm coffee to go  ) I could rant on and on, I think you guys are getting the drift. Kim KJ, good luck with your horses! | ||
| Paul Reyes (Paulr) New Member Username: Paulr Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2003 |
I run Biodiesel in our diesel jetta wagon right now. Wish I could get my hands on a LR TD5! http://www.biodiesel.org/ Smells like french fries! | ||
| David Gage (Davidg) Member Username: Davidg Post Number: 112 Registered: 02-2002 |
Paul, I am with you on the BioDiesel, renewable supply from soybeans or McDonalds recycled. Only problem is the new stuff is about $4.00 a gallon. In the UK and EU that might be acceptable but since dino diesel is hovering at $2.00 a gallon it hasn't yet gotten feasable. I might try to make my own later this summer, you know convert the still from moonshine to BioDiesel. http://journeytoforever.org for more Biodiesel info. David Gage | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 141 Registered: 02-2002 |
Leslie, Add this one. Only it doesn't require other energy to produce, at least not known. An Introduction to Zero-Point Energy CalPhysics.org ^ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/854135/posts Land Rover ZPE As for diesels, I'd like to have the International 2.8 - Mark | ||
| Paul Reyes (Paulr) New Member Username: Paulr Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2003 |
David, I can get it for $2.80 per gallon. Of course you have to buy a 55 gallon drum but hey, it's only vegi oil so I don't mind letting it sit in the garage. www.supremeoil.com in So Cal. Cheers. | ||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 422 Registered: 03-2002 |
Paul and David, I respectfully ask that you please stop talking about french fries. ... It's making me hungry, and I can't exercise too well at the moment. heheh, so no more mention of 'fries' please? Kim | ||
| Andrew Clarke (Aclarke) Senior Member Username: Aclarke Post Number: 283 Registered: 10-2002 |
Way to "fry" this thread, Kim... (ducks & covers) |
