| Author | Message | ||
     Steve Biggs (Steve) New Member Username: Steve Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
I have 99 disco II with SLS. I've talked with a company who is going to put together a 2" ome lift kit for me. They said I only need one spacer on one side ("the low side")to lift the rear of the vehicle. Is this true? Thanks! Steve | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 1965 Registered: 04-2002 |
You need to buy the shit from Expedition Exchange and they will eliminate "the low side" all together for you. | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 697 Registered: 02-2002 |
yeah go to EE the don't have sides, its just all good. | ||
| Steve Biggs (Steve) New Member Username: Steve Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
does EE have a web site? | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2002 |
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/ By the way Carter I sent you a little e-mail... | ||
| Prescottj (Prescottj) Senior Member Username: Prescottj Post Number: 334 Registered: 12-2002 |
expeditionexchange.com I think that's right if not look under resources | ||
| Prescottj (Prescottj) Senior Member Username: Prescottj Post Number: 335 Registered: 12-2002 |
I'm to fuckin slow and you did it better than me | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2002 |
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| Prescottj (Prescottj) Senior Member Username: Prescottj Post Number: 337 Registered: 12-2002 |
Then you rub it in with the smiley face that I have never figured out how to do. :-( _ _ _ | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2002 |
hehe | ||
| Prescottj (Prescottj) Senior Member Username: Prescottj Post Number: 340 Registered: 12-2002 |
FUCK OFF SHOWBOAT LOL | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea i am done now...I want to put that face in, it is tempting, but i won't... | ||
| Steve Biggs (Steve) New Member Username: Steve Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
Thanks again! Steve | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 1968 Registered: 04-2002 |
no problem Steve, good luck w/ the lift | ||
| Lawrence Tilly (L_tilly) Member Username: L_tilly Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Prescottj, when doing your smiley or frown-face, just leave out the nose. So instead of :-) you get I'm a BBS adict from the good ol' days of Fido Net and 1200 baud modems, and have a hard time remembering to use the "new" emoticon format for the web-based boards. :-( oops...I mean  -Lawrence | ||
| RJ Clayton (Tozovr) Senior Member Username: Tozovr Post Number: 317 Registered: 09-2002 |
EE does it one way. A few other guys do it by buying the "correct springs" and just swapping the rears. If you talk to Tim Lund at ARB/OME he will give you the plusses and minuses of all the methods and why they are handed the way they are. My experience shows positive results by just swapping the rears side-to-side...but everyone has their own ways. | ||
| Lawrence Tilly (L_tilly) Member Username: L_tilly Post Number: 75 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh, and to keep it on-topic...I got a set of OME HD Springs & Shocks from EE last summer. Absolutely fantastic service; quick delivery and they took the time to answer a couple questions I had on the install. The EE site has a great write up to help you decide what set is right for what you want, and if you need it there are some writeups in their tech-section as well as here on DWeb. I don't konw what condition your original ones are in, but all the bolts for my shocks were so badly rusted I had to have them torched off. So I also needed to order a new pair of upper shock mounts for the rear. I also took the oportunity to replace the upper mounting ring on the front shocks (the towers were in good shape, but the ring w/ the bolts was pretty rusted and I didn't trust it much longer). -Lawrence | ||
| Ken Tipton (Irish_nv) Member Username: Irish_nv Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steve I have a 99 DII with SLS and just last month I did a 3" OME lift. I got all the stuff from John Lee at EE. I went to pick it up from their shop and when I got there he was on his way out the door to go wheelin for the weekend. (had I showed uo 2 min later he would have been gone). He still took the time to go over everything I needed, gave a crash couse on how to install, and even discussed some of the side effects I might run into. In all he spent at least 30 mins with me even though he clearly had somewhere else to be. Then he gave me his cell number and said if I ran into problems with the install to call him on the trail. TOP NOTCH all the way. As for the kit. The springs they use are matched sets. My truck doesn't lean of favor either side. The rears: since you have SLS all you need is to fab a bracket to lift the sensor up about 1 1/2". After I lifted the sensor it took about 2-3 days to get it all dialed in. I measured the truck in the rear before the lift from the ground to the bottom of the rocker and it was 15 1/4" after the lift in the rear it went to 18 3/4" over the cousre of driving it would varry a little and for the next couple of days anytime I would return home I would re-measure make the nessasary adjustments. Know both sides are dead on 18 3/4". In the front I gained 3 1/4" of lift. Also I intalled these myself in just under 4 hours and have never done any thing like this before so that should tell you how hard it is. And also in the rear you can do the shocks and the sensor without a jack and without taking off the tire. No kidding I put the sensors and the shocks on both sides of the rear in under 30 min. (I did have air tools though) Ken | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 1961 Registered: 02-2002 |
EE does it one way. yes, The Right Way. | ||
| Leo P. Hallak (Leo_hallak) New Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
They helped me with all my questions when I did the lift on my Disco1. Very helpful guys -Leo | ||
| RJ Clayton (Tozovr) Senior Member Username: Tozovr Post Number: 318 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yeah because ARB has it's head up their ARSE? I understand what EE does, and why they do it. To call it the only way is silly. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 1969 Registered: 04-2002 |
He didn't say it was the only way, he said it was the right way. | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 1964 Registered: 02-2002 |
right on Carter...attention to detail... | ||
| RJ Clayton (Tozovr) Senior Member Username: Tozovr Post Number: 319 Registered: 09-2002 |
OME hands the springs for two reasons...passenger load and what we'll call "torque sagging" Now I understand that when you install the coils as per OME instructions some vehicles tend to sag. That is because on US Spec rigs, the DS coils are now on the opposite side of the truck (we'll call it left). Now the softer PS spings are left to fend against the sagging that tends to occur because of the driveline. On an AWD rig I can imagine that this is more prominant. Now Logic would tell me that completely swapping the coils side to side, would fix that, but then there'd be the prospect of sagging due to driver weight. Many of the folks I speak with just swap the rear coils and have great results. Now when you put "Matched" springs in a rig I can't imagine it hurts much...but you won't have the higher rate spring on the pass side to compensate for torque sag... I'm not saying EE is whacko...just bringing up why OME does what it does and how you can improve the situation even if you didn't buy "Matched " springs. Think I'm talking shit? Call ARB USA, it's free and ask the engineers. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 1970 Registered: 04-2002 |
I don't think your neccesarily talking shit but all I know is with two different spring rates up front my truck used to lean but with two springs of the same rate up front everything is nice and level so this torque sag can kiss my ass for all I care. | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 1966 Registered: 02-2002 |
I believe there are (or were) other considerations that lead to handed springs. Namely, location of vehicle components and the driver (UK = right side, facing forward) resulting in excess weight on the right side of the vehicle. This is the first I've heard of torque sag, though. Whatever the logic or cause is, what I know for sure is that I've got a right side sag Disco thanks to handed springs. | ||
| RJ Clayton (Tozovr) Senior Member Username: Tozovr Post Number: 320 Registered: 09-2002 |
I agree with you Carter, I prefer the same rate on both sides myself. I guess I'm trying to shed some light on why OME does that and why John and the guys do what they do...I'm sure John and Ho explain, at length as to why they prefer to install and run the same rates. But to some schmoe on the BBs looking for answers (unless Ho or John posts, or one of their customers posts the reasoning) the schmoe might be lost and not Understand why he's doing something to his rig. That would be bad. Knowledge is your pal. | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 1967 Registered: 02-2002 |
well said RJ | ||
| Ken Tipton (Irish_nv) Member Username: Irish_nv Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2002 |
Before I did the lift my factory springs had a slight sag to the right. Now everything is nice and level. | ||
| Kevin Howell (Kevinhowell) New Member Username: Kevinhowell Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2003 |
ok, i've been reading this thread, checking out e.e., and hitting the search. i'm getting educated and confused all at once, and i'm really interested because i want to lift my '94 about 2" in the next month. all i want is around 2" of lift so i can put moderately larger tires on for moderate trail-running, nothing extreme. my disco is still my daily runner. i will not be loaded down with expedition gear, but there will be times i have my rig loaded with passengers everywhere and possibly a hitch rack or roof rack for travel gear. can i attain this with nothing but the ome hd springs? if so, which model is best (i may add a brushguard)? also, i just put new shocks on a month ago (monroe hd suv from sears)because mine were bouncing like a trampoline. will these still work with the larger springs or will i need to upgrade there too. i'd rather not since these are so new, but i'll do what i have to. my rig is completely stock, except for the stereo, if that helps. oh, and for clarification purposes, am i understanding correctly that e.e. matches the springs to where they have the same tensile strength as opposed to how another dealer would send them (with different strengths for the driver and passenger sides)? sorry to ramble like an idiot, but i want a cheap lift soon, and i feel like i understand less now than when i started. | ||
| RJ Clayton (Tozovr) Senior Member Username: Tozovr Post Number: 322 Registered: 09-2002 |
OME springs come with a DS and a PS...errr, strike that, I beleive they are now comeing as "1" and "2"...anyhow, one is intended for the Driver's side and the other the passenger's side. EE will give you 2 Drivers side or 2 Passenger side spings...so both front springs are the same length and both rear springs are the same length....the rate of the "1" and "2" (or DS/PS if yuu will) is the same...the DS spring is just a bit longer. RJ | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 1971 Registered: 04-2002 |
Cool, I think we are all on the same page after all. | ||
| Steve Biggs (Steve) New Member Username: Steve Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
I didn't say anything about a sag when I posted the first message, but since thats the hot topic, my disco does sag on the right side in the rear. Butt I have SLS. So how can that have anything to do with springs. | ||
| David Hobbs (Ca_surveyor) New Member Username: Ca_surveyor Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2002 |
I installed the OME way on my RRC over a year ago. I just added 1" spacers in the rear (from EE) and also added a poly 10mm spacer (also from EE) to level out the rear. John Lee is a great guy, and is always available to help you out. | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) New Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2003 |
I had great service with EE too when I purchased my goods. Here is how I did it. Called Ho! Told him that I needed OME stuff to replace my stock suspension. Ho said "wanna do the 2" lift" I said Okay! Ho said, gotta credit card? I said yep and gave him the number. Few days later, stuff was stashed in my garage (thanks UPS guy, local hillbilly's would have probably ripped it off it was left outside. I took the stuff to my local tire and suspension guy, Tim. His "ace mechanic" installed it, the first time.......and the second. Phone call when the fun started: Tim: "Hey Brendan it's Tim" Me: "Howboucha Tim!" Tim: Suspension is done" Me: How does it look? Tim: Fucked up. The front end is much higher that the back end. Me: That doesn't sound right. I will drive by tonight, peek through the window and see how it looks. Tim: Okay, talk to you tomorrow Scene moves to looking into window at Disco that evening. Me: Shit, that is all screwed up. I need to call Ho! (Looked like a homie machine) Next Day: Me: Ho, got the stuff, guy who installed fucked things up. Can he call you? Ho: Sure. Ho e-mails me. The mechanic is being a prick. Ho talks the mechanic through what he should have done. Can you see where this is going yet? Close of story. Tim: Got your fucking suspension fixed after 10 hours (Tim is upset ) Me: Great, I will come pick it up. What was wrong? Tim: Bill (mechanic) put the springs on backwards. End of story. I love the suspension, thanks again Ho! Brendan |
