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     BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 179 Registered: 02-2002 |
'97 Disco Driving on I10 in Houston I just blew the whole shit!! Got it home, go the oil pan off, and the back 2 connecting rods are in the oil pan, crank shaft is broken, cam shaft is broken, there is a hole in the side of the block the size of a beer can, and looking up through the engine I can see the bottom of the intake. The whole damn block is destroyed from the inside out. What the hell should I do, where can I get an engine? I spoke to LR parts and he said a short block would be about $1100. I spoke to another guy who might have a 3.9 he can sell me for about $500. That guy also said that a Buick 300 will fit right in [that would be a lot more power]. Any suggestions, any one have this delima? Post here or email me at wturner3@hotmail.com Hell, and I just spent $350 on a fucking altenator. My last post was about the vehicle speed sensor, I guess that is the least of my worries now. | ||
| Tbow (Tbow) Member Username: Tbow Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2002 |
Just went through virtually the exact same thing myself. The #1 rod broke and acted like a weedeater and ate up the block. I bought a brand new short block from Ron Brown at MainLine LR for 1200 shipped to my door and about another 1,000 for parts i.e. valve springs, valves (I had 3 bent), lifters, gaskets, camshaft, headbolts, rocker arms & shafts and machine work for the heads. Prices vary a LOT from different places. I can email you my parts list and where I bought my parts at the best price. I brough parts from, DAP, Performancemotorcars.com, XKs, MotorcarsLTD, BritishPacific, NorthEast British, and Atlantic British. Total, I probably saved over 500 dollars by shopping around. I would not recommend a junk yard motor most will be about 1,500 to 2,000 bucks and for just a little more you can have brand new (I went through this myself). I don't think you can use the 3.9 because you have the 4.0 with the Gems ignition and there's stuff that won't fit on and will need modification, for example because the 3.9 has a regular distributor and it uses a different camshaft (to drive the dist) so your 4.0 front cover won't fit. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2002 |
www.car-parts.com / www.car-part.com ...they list about 200 complete engines with prices ranging from $900 for a '96 with 69k miles up to $4200 for a few with 24 month warranties. | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2002 |
Please do email that info. Hell, does anybody think I can sell it for $10,000 like it is? | ||
| Tbow (Tbow) Member Username: Tbow Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2002 |
I sent you my parts list. 10K is mighty steep for a LR with a blown motor that someone will have to put another 2K+ into it. I paid 4K for 96. | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2002 |
The question I have is Why did it blow? What could cause it? Did you notice anything acting up before it happened? | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) New Member Username: Norm Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2003 |
Look on the bright side -- if the rest of your rig is in good shape, this is a good excuse to put in a 4.6. I don't think you're going to find anyone gullable enough to buy a D1 with a blown engine and god knows what else wrong for $10K when there are plenty around in good shape for that price or less. Probably the only way to get $10K out of your rig now is to part it out, which may be a pain in ass. I had much the same problem when the little woman destroyed the motor on my '95 with only 43K miles. However, I bit the bullet and put in a 4.6, which is a MUCH better motor than the 3.9 or 4.0 -- best thing I could have done in the circumstances. Now my truck is greater than the sum of its parts. First thing is to find out what went wrong with your old motor so you won't duplicate the problem. Since you have had a catostrophic failure, you probably wouldn't be wise to try to salvage much from your old motor. You'll probably need a long block, new front cover/oil pump and water pump and maybe a new radiator. In addition you'll need to get your fuel map reprogrammed -- otherwise you'll run too lean and burn up your motor again. ---Norm | ||
| Alex Cabrera (Alexcabrera) Member Username: Alexcabrera Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've seen motors in LRX that go for 900 to 1500... used to rebuilt. Thats pretty crazy that it would blow up like that. | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2002 |
I hate to speculate but I think my oil pump whet bad, that in turn caused my back 2 pistons to lock up. By the way the connecting rods are broke, this seems logical. The part that connects them to the crank has been pushed up and around by the crank. The middle and piston side of the arms aren't damaged, that is what makes me think the pistons locked up. Truthfully I dought that I am going to part it out as like someone said, it IS going to ba a pain in the ass. | ||
| matt averett (Fishinfetish) New Member Username: Fishinfetish Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2002 |
you can get about 3k-4k I would think for "as is" trans still good? strongly consider parting it out if you are at all handy with tools???just a sug though?good luck | ||
| Tbow (Tbow) Member Username: Tbow Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2002 |
That is different than my failure. On mine, the #1 rod just snapped in half. and what was connected to the crank just acted like a weedeater and blew a hole on both sides of the block, sliced through the front of the pan and sheared the Camshaft just past the second lobe. The piston end of the connecting rod was still attached. I'm sure you can salvage the heads. If your oil pump went out then you'll have to also replace the front cover, it has a non-serviceable oil pump in it. You'll have to add about 320 bucks more on the parts liist I emailed you. Good luck | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) New Member Username: Norm Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2003 |
Personally, unless you just like working on motors for fun, I'd start with a clean slate, as in a new, pre-assembled long block, or at least a rebuilt one with a warranty. I mean, this motor literally detonated (with a broken crankshaft, no less), there's no telling what stresses the heads went through. If the old heads warp or crack down the line, he may go back to square one again with another blown engine (or at least a new set of heads). Why risk it, if you're going to all the trouble of putting in a new block and all the associated parts & labor? Of course it all depends on what shape the rest of the truck is in and whether it's worth spending a few $$$$ to begin with. ---Norm | ||
| Joe Blanchard (Joeblanch) New Member Username: Joeblanch Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2003 |
I just ordered a new Block from Will Tillery. And ordered some new heads from Rpi. Both are good sources I would recommend. I am going through and replacing everything I can afford to. After I pull everything out. I will test and see if it can be used as "spare parts". Getting that much for a used LR with a blown engine is not likely. I think blue book on the 96 is in the 7500.(Fair) to 9240.(excellent) range.(With 120000 miles) Depending on the shape and accessories of your vehicle. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1818 Registered: 02-2002 |
In the other thread, you said you owed $11.5k on it.... if it was running you'd be hard-pressed to sell it for that... you can get more for it parting it out than selling it as-is, but, you're not gonna come up with $10k once all is said and done.... My suggestion is to put a 4.6 in it...... Good luck! -L | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 185 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh yea, when making your suggestions keep in mind that I am a student with absolutly no money, and not much if any parental backing. I think what I may do is go to one of these ruff ass car dealers that do their own financing regardless of your credit, and buy a POS for a thousand or two. Then I can take my time on the Rover, and I don't have to try to go over budget right away. I don't know what I am going to do???? | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Did you ever consider putting a diesel in it? | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2002 |
Did you ever consider putting a diesel in it? | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 187 Registered: 02-2002 |
With a diesel I would have to change more parts than going back with the 4.0, right?? If that is the case then it would be more money it seems. I need to get out of this as cheap as possible. | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) New Member Username: Norm Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well, if money is the prime concern, I'd forget about a 4.6 because reprogramming the fuel map in a GEMS ecu is going to cost well over $1000 alone -- and this is a necessity. Your best bet is probably to get a rebuilt 4.0 long block (preferably with a warranty) and a brand new front cover/oil pump and water pump. I've seen these for @ $2000 or so. You might check with Rover Land in Miami or Rovers Down South in New Orleans. ---Norm | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 188 Registered: 02-2002 |
Funny, I was actually on the way to New Orleans when I blew the bitch.  | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1835 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ah, yeah, that makes a difference, being on a college budget.... IMHO, a second vehicle is a good idea when you have a Rover.... lol.... BTDT.... I can't fault that logic... To get an engine in it is gonna be a couple of thousand, at a minimum, not considering labor. Assuming you *need* a driver *now*, a second vehicle would be the quicker way... like you said, you can then accrue some funds and do it right... Yes, a diesel is gonna be more: you'll have to change the transmission and the transfer-case, too, and the radiator so that you'll have an intercooler, and need a turbo, etc. etc. If you really wanted to have fun with it, yeah, you could fix'er up into a cool beast, but, it's not cheap. A 4.6 would require either a chip-swap or a reprogramming; the 4.0 would still be the cheaper way to go, but... A 4.0 short-block would be $1200 or so, but, you'll be hoping that all the other bits are intact.... it could easily escalate into a good bit more. Whichever way you go, good luck. -L | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 269 Registered: 12-2002 |
BJ- Check your e-mail. I saw an ad that might help you. Snowman | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 190 Registered: 02-2002 |
Are there any special tools I am going to need to rebuild this thing, that a Ford tractor mechanic or myself may not have? | ||
| Chris Merritt (Smokinbro) Member Username: Smokinbro Post Number: 70 Registered: 08-2001 |
BJ - I know it isn't in your Budget but it is interesting none the less. http://www.britrest.com/ | ||
| Chris Merritt (Smokinbro) Member Username: Smokinbro Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2001 |
http://www.britrest.com/HS28L.htm to be more exact |
