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charlie
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:18 pm: | 
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/03/26/MN203885.DTL
hope it is not one of us....
---Charlie |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:18 pm: |
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i am so glad i live in the midwest! |
jmon
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:32 pm: |
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i live in moss beach (just north of halfmoonbay) and yes this is a major problem!!! thankfully i live on the bluffs overlooking the ocean, but many locals are very upset..there are many rds up there and it seems that within the last year all the suv ers from san fran have been coming down and tearing up the place... |
KJ
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:23 pm: |
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I get queasy thinking of the riders getting dumped off their horses. Add to that the endangered species aspects and the rest and it's really sickening. I hope it doesn't take someone literally getting killed before the problem is solved.
Karen |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:08 am: |
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Poor, poor Marin horses. My heart weeps for those poor Marin horses and their terrified riders.
I'm a tread-lightly kinda fella - granola, beater Volvo, Save the Planet kinda fella, but give me a break with the f-ing weeping horseman crap. Screw the horses and their methane-ass polution. One word for those fleabag-bleeding-heart Marin horse-riding pansies: glue factory.
Oh, well - okay, that was two words. Horses is so so dum any way that i am sure they don't care how many words i put in.
Too much drinky make Erik a beligerent f***.
We're all bad - us SUV bastards! Oh, and screw Kyle's new bumper too! I'd throw that POS out his window if I were him and not sell the crap to anybody!
////////////////////Secret Message Just for Kyle/////////////////
Except me Kyle - I'll take that ***t bumper of your's anytime. Anybody want to buy my ARB non-air real cheap?
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KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:53 am: |
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Erik/Jon, pick a name,
In the immortal words of Blue, Kiss my ass!
Karen  |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:12 am: |
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The only part of the story that really matters is that the place is private property and it posted "No motorized vehicles" and the people are still going there. That is the part that counts.. The people whining, certain birds, horses and all that other fluff that was put in that article is just there to make tree huggers upset and take action.. It comes down to the F'n place is posted, they aren't allowed there, and they need to stay the hell out.. Simple as that. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:33 am: |
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....that and they are just dumb fucking rednecks....and i hate dumb fucking rednecks!!
ps: karen.....bluegil does have a ™ on that phrase. i believe he is out 'tending to his crops' this week, so he is unable to post back to you at this time. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:45 am: |
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"I was on my horse Pretty Boy a few weeks ago when we crested a rise and a dirt bike came out of nowhere," Allen says. "All the horse saw was a white T- shirt, reflected sun glasses and a white helmet. Pretty Boy went up in the air like a corkscrew and I landed on my butt. It's a real safety problem here now."
for some reason, i am not sure, but this sounds like the local trailer park guy trying to get a lil print time. white t shirt, chrome sunglasses, a white helmet, when the hell did that happen 1965. i ride dirtbikes and i never have seen anyone since the 60's wearing that kinda garb. sounds like bullshit to me.
we do need to balance the rights of OHV operators and that of public land tree huggin nazis that run about telling us we cant even piss in a creek for fear of killing off some lil bug. its crap like that article the hurts us all. in an attempt to sale papers the press will take what is proberly a small isolated problem and turn it into one of an international crisises. they will interview some a group of people with a tooth count of one and print it, people will read it and everyone will believe that it is happening. then demand the UN step in and end the evil OHV killers that run amuck. public land is just that PUBLIC. if you give substance to claims of mass destruction then you are feeding the fire. what hurts us all is that we dont stand under one banner and opose those who wish to exclude our recreation. we allow various conservation clubs to bend the ears of polticians and of course we know the GOOBERMENT does research all the claims of these groups before they make law.
well i have stirred the pot long enuff, Karen i am not a horseperson, i have, while on a dirtbike, shared public land with those who wish to ride on the backs of hooven beasts and never in the my many years have i ever seen a horse dump someone when approached by those i have ridden with. i have heard wannabe cowboys complain about dirtbikes but i believe it is more of the cowboy not controling their beast and ending up in near ejections from the control seat. i dont believe in going anywhere there is a sign prohibiting my passage. i do tread lightly as often as possible (there is times that a bit of wheel spin can save your ass). what i dont do is take everything in print as gospel, maybe we all should have this attitude, if i didnt see it, it didnt happen.
mike w |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:29 am: |
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just speaking from my own experience here in PA we have more than our fair share of dumb fucking rednecks. i say that only because i have lived in PA for about 1/3 of my life and have never dealt with more ignorance in my life. sure when i was younger and had a j**p i did my fair share of dumbass things, but it did not take me long to figure out they were that.....stupid. these yahoos with 35" tires on j2000 pickups blazing trails around 'public state land' hunting camps goes a little too far. (not that there is anything wrong with big tires on trucks......just happens to be the majority of assholes around here) the last thing i want to hear and/or see when i am out hiking and biking is some drunk ass redneck driving balls out through the forest......public land.
my work involves me in the very difficult process of deciding what trail networks and systems are used by whom. horses, hikers, bikers, atvs, etc. there is and has been no good solution to being able to 'share' the trails in many of our state and public lands in my mind. of course you will always leave someone out and piss a large group of people off. my feeling is that there should be limited access to many of our public lands. we don't need access to everything and everywhere. if you really want to get somewhere remote then get off your fat ass and hike there.
i use to ride a bit (nothing like karen), but understand the conflicts that horses and 'others' present. i can vouch for horse back riders and say that i certainly depends on the horse you are riding whether you will get dumped by even a mt. biker. it happens. typically most trails that have horses on them don't allow bikes, but when in that situation i would always quickly dismount and walk by the horse. if it is something 'new' to them they do and will freak out at times. so being prudent in your judgement works most of the time.
i am not waving a 'earth biscuit' flag here saying we should ban atvs and the such from public lands and trails, but i know that when i am out hiking and biking in a quiet forest the last thing i want to hear is a whinning dirt bike or truck nearby. sure i take my truck in the forest and use the trails that are provided, but i typically try and limit (as most of us do i think) the impact we are having while out there......noise and physical. there IS a difference between what i do when i take to the trails than what the dumb fucking rednecks do when they hit the trails. i am speaking only on east coast terms as i have very little experience out west at all. and if you ask me if i think i am better person than they are.......my answer will always be....damn right i am. haha.
ok....i can now step off my little box now. flame if you like.....i will always feel the way i do. this is not directed at anyone here on the board, but just my feelings on the subject. |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:54 am: |
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Mike, I understand what you are saying in part (vis-a-vis sensationalizing a story to stir the public's outrage), but no one has ever seen gravity and we all know it's there. I don't have a requirement of having to see everything before I believe it. A story was written, a DiscoWebber from the area has seconded the information, I'm willing to believe this, in part based on my own experiences. Perhaps you don't run in the circles where you would hear of such horse encounters.
I HAVE seen people thrown from their horses when encountering motorized vehicles (and have myself had mini bikers and 4 wheelers scare the snot out of me and my horses while riding out. You can yell a warning all you want, they can't HEAR you when you hear them coming, and often you don't have enough room to get out of their way), and have heard many more credible stories from friends and students of mine about their own accidents caused by dirt bikers, etc.
The most recent story came to me two days ago as I sat in the Land Rover Alexandria dealership, waiting for my recall work to be done. I was reading a horse training book, and this other guy waiting struck up a converstion with me, as he has horses, too. Yup, he told me about his troubles with his trail riding club (note to locals to D.C., his club is out of Piscataway) and the motorized hot doggers. So, just right there you had two Rover owners, who arguably are not immdediately opposed to using Rovers and other trucks on the trail, but who both have has serious incidents with others out there while riding. One can be an experienced rider on a beautifully schooled horse, but the instinctive flight response in the horse can kick in and physics will drop your ass regardless of what you do or how skilled you are. Everyone I know who rides horses out gets permission from the land owners before they set out. This is not always the case with the hot doggers on motorized vehicles. They just out run whomever tries to chase them off.
My farm is next door to 600 gorgeous acres. We're not allowed to ride there because of the 4 wheelers who have soured the owner on sharing his property. 18 years I've lived here, staring at that beautiful land we can't access. The owner has been to court countless times with violators, and recently won a judgment from a developer on his border to erect a fence to prevent further influx from the 4 wheeler crowd. So, I HAVE seen these things and I DO know the repercussions, not to mention the CONcussions that can result from people not respecting the land, the property owner's wishes, or the others utilizing, with permission, the same areas. I don't know about the Half Moon Bay area, but read above, apparently jmon DOES know. He lives nearby and has said, " i live in moss beach (just north of halfmoonbay) and yes this is a major problem!!! thankfully i live on the bluffs overlooking the ocean, but many locals are very upset..there are many rds up there and it seems that within the last year all the suv ers from san fran have been coming down and tearing up the place... " I'm not going to sit here and say he doesn't know when he has first hand knowledge.
gp, if Blue doesn't like it, when he gets back he can kiss my ass, too! LOL! Love ya, Blue, stole your Good Thing though. (G)
And in the immortal words of someone else on DiscoWeb recently, this post is too long, and I don't give a fuck. (VBG) I don't know from bumpers and winches, but I'm trying to learn. I DO know about horses and that whole thing, and if what I say doesn't fit your pictures of what you want to believe, it doesn't change the truth in what I say.
Karen |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:00 am: |
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gp, I think I just fell in love with you. Do you think Julie and my husband would mind? LOL!
Karen |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:15 am: |
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well karen it ain't the first time i have heard that!! haha. well julie and i really don't exist any longer, so really i am 'open' to anything.
do you have any sisters??
31/male/single/6'-3" 200 lbs., blue eyes, striking personality and good looks!!! LOL. oh....and i am a snappy dresser too. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:21 am: |
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If it is public land that is open to motorized vehicles and you have a skitish horse then don't go there. There are more trails open to horses then there are 4x4s so you should have no problem finding another place to go.. Of course then you can fight it out with the hikers and mountain bikers cause they don't want your horses on their trails either cause most people don't clean up their horse's crap off the trail.. If it is private land then stay the hell out if you aren't allowed there.. If I was a land owner and caught people on my land I would shoot at them. Hell, I might even shoot them.. I think in some states you can still get away with shooting tresspassers can't you? |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:40 am: |
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KJ point taken, i can see that you are a horseperson and appear to be very knowledgeable of the subject. i was not seeding any disrespect, and i accept your views. however, you must admit that just as there are careless OHV people there are careless, even dangerous horsepeople. even man or woman should know their own limitation. we should all dare to go beyond our own walls but we should do so with training and practice and the understanding that in stepping out of our safe zone we run the risk of failure. my wife showed horses for some years, i have friends that are members and participate in various activities involving the AQHA. my sister in law is the owner of several horses and rides regularly. i have been known to land my fat ass on a walker or two. so i have been on both sides of the fence. so i have seen what can happen when a horse is spooked and if the rider is not prepared what can happen. all i said that with the group i ran with we avoided the encounters and when we did meet up with "cowboys" we used proper trail manners and did not place ourselves or the horserider in harms way. please keep in mind that a spooked horse will run thru or over anything in its path including dirtbikers. foolish misuse of public land costs us all. regardless of the outdoor activity there can be found abusers. campers, hikers, OHV even horse people leave a mark on the earth. recently i read an article that address a midwest states study of the impact of horses used during dog hunting trials. it seems that the horse walking and running on the state property is damaging the ground growth. i can say that there is some truth in this because i hunt these same grounds and see what is left behind by the horses. the point, as i said we all make an impact. in my job (i am a cop) i run across juveniles hanging out in parking lots. on a greater scale they are not doing anything wrong, but among the groups (50-75 kids) there are a few that thorw out debris leaving a mess for the merchants to clean. this action cause the businessmen to get a lil pissed and they in turn ask LE to close the lots after hours and to charge violators with trespassing when they are found on the lots after hours. a few screw it up for the whole. why? because the many, the bulk of the group allowed the action to occurr or rather failed to police itself. on a larger scale public land is being closed to everyone, ohv's, horsefolks, hikers, everyone. why? because we dont police ourselves. we also fail to speak out when the anti people use of public lands clubs speak out againest us. karen your in that "us" group. when you ride your horse on land you leave an impact. its not on the scale of a dirtbike or a land rover but you do leave behind a lil somethin...somethin. it cant be helped and well who really cares. if you are on trails that are for horse use, then whats the problem. the problem is people will say anything and when its in print (i am refering to NEWSPAPERS, not a club as in DISCOWEB) people not having any connection to the sport will assume that it is true. believe me, having seen my name in print, knowing it was reported in error and having people walk up to me a questioning me as to what or why i did what i did, i can say that people, even the most educated ones will believe it to be true. therefore we must be cautious as to what we give credit to. is there a problem with trespassers in Halfmoon area, hell yes there are problems with trespassers all over the United States. will this effect us, most likely. and more importantly what f@#$ does all this have to do with dirtbikers and horses? RESPECT if with a little respect, and understanding on BOTH sides, the hostile contact between those groups can be elimated. if the dirtbikers slow or even stop, kill the motor, (thats what we try to do) and let the horse pass and when approached in an area that would prevent the dirtbiker from seeing the horse (you can usually hear us before you see us)would dismount and hold to the horse by its halter then the likely hood of your ass testing gravity would be greatly reduce. if we stand and point our fingers at each other and demand the the Govt. step in then we will all loose. the truth is we must respect each other and again not everything in print is fact. no disrespect intended karen, please take no offense.
mike w |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:48 am: |
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yeah i agree with not going where motorized vehicles are know or allowed to be. that is all good and fine. but big trucks with dumb people behind the wheel do not always agree with that. and i know much about mt. biking and horse trails not working too. been there done that.....lived in bucks co. for years and you are out numbered there for sure. pissing in the wind in that argument, but trying to maintain a fair and reasonable trail network gets complicated. mixing uses even more so. all i am saying is to maintain the system of trails there are for truck/atv's. we don't need to have all our lands accessible by car/truck/atv. we are fat asses enough and need the exercise!!!! like i have said before....if i have to choose between off roading and having my forests to hike in......screw off roading.
eric i don't want to have to come down there and kick your ass you know over this. haha
garrett (skipping along in my berks and wearing my organic patagonia shirts!! haha) |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:55 am: |
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So, Garrett, ordered a Segway yet? Think about all of the city-folk who WILL become obese when they get their hands on one of those....
'Course, I shouldn't talk too loud,  I'm not a lightweight, but at least I wear out my hiking boots by using them...
-L |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:16 am: |
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l~
are you talking about a segue? you have some french in you somewhere i am sure.
"one of those".....what are you refering to? truck, etc? you have me confused now. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:19 am: |
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huh? Bring it on GP... Should I bring some kickboxing pads with me if I go on the 4/27 outing or you just want to kick the shit out of each other and then have a beer or 5? I agree with you.. We have a few trails that we are allowed on.. Making more with out permission is what gets the ones that we do have closed.. Most people lack f'n common sense these days.. Yes, I like to get out and walk.. My fat ass needs it trust me.. I often throw the dog in the truck and go out for long hikes in the woods.. But, at the same time if my dog shits on the trail at least I get a stick and flick it off into the woods so that it's not where every body else is walking.. Can't say the same for anyone that I have ever seen riding a horse.. I'll include my self in that too cause I used to ride horses when I was younger and I never cleaned up after them either. You are never going to win and make every one happy. It's impossible.. I'm totally for making land off limits to trucks and quads but, only if they make space for trucks and quads as well.. I don't aggree with just doing one and not the other. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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No no no..... lol.....
a) No French, not that I've found yet... it'd have to be from pre-1750 if it's there....
b) I really meant what I said, Segway... one of those funky scooters.... once they're out in the general populace, there'll be millions of people too fat to walk zipping all over creation running people flat over....
-L |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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eric. i agree!! always gonna have someone pissed off at you. i mean just ask kyle! i just say we play dodge ball with balloons filled will piss. haha. i will pass on all.
leslie....those things are great!! NOT!! my god.....mcdonalds will be selling those in happy meals soon i bet. i am sure some day i will start packing on the pounds and may need one......or better one of those Rover'arounds they sell to old people. i think tom green did a skit with one on his show.......funny as shit.....drove into everything in a grocery store. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:35 am: |
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doh.... |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:36 am: |
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i can say this in my lil midwestern state, there are trails for 4x4s than one for dirtbikes and those for horses and alas even those who hike. we rarely cross tracks and all leave exhausted after having a grand ole time of chasing our fun. as far as road apples, i dont mind them too much, if you see them first they are great for roosting the guy behind you with. as long as he or SHE didnt ride up to the trail with you! |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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Damn, GP that's just nasty... Remind me never to get any where near GP if he has balloons.. I may be able to make it on that weekend of the 4/26-28th.. Still not 100% yet but, it's looking better then 50% at this point.. I'll bring the Guiness.. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:01 pm: |
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well let me know.....i am getting a big packet of info from the national forest there on camping. they added a few new camping areas there this year. do you know what the policy is on beer in the national forest there? i know PA does not allow it. i mean as long as no one is getting nutty i am sure it should not be an issue.
yeah.....guinness works for me. i am sure i will bring some happiness in a bottle as well.
leslie will be coming on his Segway i am sure. haha. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
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that little scooter!!! i hate it! how lazy will we get.
some say dont look a gift horse in the mouth. i feel the better advice is don't punch a gift horse in the mouth.. you're sure to break a finger or something.
garrett your a poseur, real men where hemp t-shirts and not that shit you buy at head shops... i'm talking weaving it out of stems you picked out of your own stash.
honestly, i gather up a decent amount of lint in my belly button everyday. i have hypothisized that over a period of time i could gather enough to make something out of it. i'm guessing 20 years of collection, then spinning it amish style and weaving a bad ass sweater out of it, what do you think?
rd
-lunch time , yes! |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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No I don't know what the policy is but, it shold be ok if you aren't driving and acting like a fool. I'll let you know once I find out for sure.. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:06 pm: |
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smoke it.....don't weave it!! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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Garret ? NO mention of the arm flailing issue you have when confronted by a pretty girl ? I neverforget man,,,,,never...
Kyle |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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Oh, my head! Too much drinking can lead to dangerous posts on the d'web. I actually live in Northern California and use the trails in Marin, Alameda and Santa Cruz for hiking and mountain biking - on pre-existing designated pathways.
The truth is, Northern California has benefited directly from the tree-hugging crowd - look at the strict development restrictions in Marin and the Headwaters deal from three years back. It doesn't mean I have to be friends with The Sierra Club though. Remember, everytime I go out up here in NoCal, I have to read some **shole's manifesto from the back of his/her high-pollution beater VW or Volvo 240. It's not a fetus, save a harp seal, only eat organic grapes - but do not eat table grapes and you can't fly the flag on your fire engines because it's insensitive to the foreigners...
Insofaras horses go, I was just inflaming for fun - I have no personal issues with horse owners or their animals for that matter. Every horseperson I know is likable and well-balanced and the folks I meet along the trail seem nice enough. Heck, I even ate horse when I was in Switzerland! Kidding again - the Swiss are the worst cooks on the planet, by the way.
One thing though - Kyle's arrogant POS bumper still sucks, no one should buy one!
///////////////KYLE-ONLY MESSAGE BELOW//////////////
Kyle,
Contact me offline if you want to sell me one of your ***ty bumpers. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:36 pm: |
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was i really flailing? i was being attacked by africanized killer bees for christ sake. they are native to PA ya know. i was trying to keep it to a minimum, since no one really knew what was happening and i am sure i looked like a complete douchbag. ah well. was i blushing in front of heather too?? haha. ah well.....girls still do that to me.......make me flail about i mean. but then again i blush around rob d. too. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:40 pm: |
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hahahahaha that's too funny |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:48 pm: |
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garrett, you trying to suck up so i give you my belly button sweater? dream on..
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:52 pm: |
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Um yeah , Bees , right......
Kyle |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:07 pm: |
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ROTFLOL! Another classic thread on the D'Web.....
Karen "Don't Bogart that shirt my friend, pass it over to me...." |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:15 pm: |
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damn. i mean i could have understood getting slammed for being the 'earth boy', but for getting stung by vicious killer bees. i mean really. and rob.....last time you were here in town you were wearing a new jersey nets mesh half shirt and could have sworn you were an 'outtie'. so where are you REALLY getting that lint........your ass??? |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:24 pm: |
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Come on GP I just ate lunch.. I really didn't need that mental picture of Rob there.. |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
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GP:
You sure sound suspect. I mountain bike too and couldn't give a shit if there is a 4x4 nearby ruining my "experience". Public land is Public land that means access to all users. All those 'dumb asses" in big trucks pay taxes and have a right to have their fun too. You sound like the idiots we have in Minnesota who want to ban snowmobiles and ATVs so they can commune with nature. The truth is the lefties are trying to ban ALL vehicles from public land, including your cute little Disco and that mountain bike of yours. One thing for sure stay off private land unless you have permission: you might just find a field of hemp there and the owners won't like that a bit...... |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:38 pm: |
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i was with you jake til you called his lil rover cute. |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:52 pm: |
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well, if he thinks "big trucks' are bad, then he most likely thinks Discos are little......... |
John Kruger (Johnnyk)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:15 pm: |
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If you don't have permission, go somewhere else! If it is public land, treat it with respect. Most of the time a few assholes ruin it for everyone.
I am just waiting for someone to tell me I cannot take my canoe on this lake or that lake because I disturb the surface of the water!
We must take care of what we have, whether it be our trucks, bikes, feet, trees, owls, frogs or whatever.
If you have an opinion that is contrary to mine, good, that is the American way. But take the time to clean up the mess you left, your mother is not here to clean up after you anymore. |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:22 pm: |
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John:
Right you are. In Minnesota, there are many lakes that groups are trying to ban canoes on, also around Madison WI. No one should tear up public land, but no one OHV is "better" than the other. It is here for all of us, not just the people who think that their way of recreation is better than the other guys.... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:22 pm: |
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jake, buddy... dont fight the power, you will loose. just give up and stop worring.
rd |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:26 pm: |
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Rob:
Not worrying, just gets my pissed off when "one of us" gets down on who should and should not be on public lands. Mtn bikes, horses, ATVs, Trucks, ALL belong; case closed. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:32 pm: |
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no i was just making a generalzation of dumb fuck rednecks. ok......so you don't have to be a dumb fuck redneck to have a big truck...my bad. no discos are not little.
ok....back to what i was saying.
to me jake it is not about ruining an 'experience', but rather ruining a 'place'. yeah call me a earth loving cruncher....that is fine. yeah....i do love the outdoors and being on a lake and not hearing a power boat or being on the appalacian or mid-state trail and not hear an atv or dirt bike. i like it that way. that is not to say that we should ban these vehicles. i was never saying that, but rather to keep them off some of the trails designated to hiking or biking. i mean not all trails are open to bikes here in the state lands of PA and i am cool with that and i respect the hikers enough not to ride those trails. and not all lakes in northern NY are allowed gas motors......that is not to say all lakes should be that way. snowmobiles have their own trails here in PA and that seems to work well. i just don't think we have to give access to all different 'modes' and have conflicting trail uses.
my job involves me in a variety of environmental planning.....things our company have done in the past include the ozark national scenic riverways, edward ryerson conservation area, alaska pipeline visual impact study and numerous other similar projects. i am proud to have been a part of something that has 'preserved' a part of a natural area that i know will always be THAT.....natural. i have seen far too often when people with your attitude take it to the extreme and end up destroying a beautiful place. i am all for access to these 'places', but limiting how we get there and to what degree. and do we really need to make all places accessible?
i don't give two shits if some drunk dumb ass fuck rednecks are tax payers. that is a pretty ignorant attitude.....oh so that gives you the right to do what you want where you want? great....stay out of our state then. but when i am out hiking or camping and along come some of these dipshits sitting around a fire ring and tossing their bud bottles all over and their trucks backed up within a few feet it bothers me a bit. we don't need 'these' people everywhere on our public lands. if you allow that are ruining that 'place' and 'experience' for those who wish to be there for other reasons. and don't go waiving the 'i am a tax payer and can do what i please' attitude. maybe that sits well with you folk up there, but it does not sit well with me. expect a little more of yourself there jake and respect those who try and preserve that 'experience' and 'place' many of us are seeking.
you are most likely one of those persons against zoning. i hope they build a nice gay porn store in your back yard.
have nice day. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:39 pm: |
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yes jake you are right.....they ALL do belong. but where and how is always the tough question and the solution is not always easy. you can't just say they ALL belong and be done with it. there is an organization to it all. if not you will have chaos (take note rob). designated areas need to me made and access needs to be limited or you will have a paved highway to the top of ever mountain top. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:55 pm: |
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EVER mountain top???
i think you mean every!!! |
Heather
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:56 pm: |
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I agree with the fact that one should be responsible for his/her own trash, respect for others etc when on trails or priviate property,,, I want my son to be able to enjoy places that you have all talked about at some point in his future, or atleast have the option to! "Nothing good lasts forever" comes to mind, especially where irresponsible, carless people are concerned... |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 04:16 pm: |
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GP:
I am not a fan of irresponsible behavior either. People who mess up and do dumb-shit things are bad for the sport. My point is public land is public land. Can it be section or apportioned to accomodate different types of recreation? Sure, that's common sense. But when you get to saying that you don't want to hear an engine when you are out in the wild, that's a pretty elitest thing to want. I don't know about you, but I do my mtn biking and hiking on single track and don't often run across OHVs. Its just your attitude that sucks. "Sitting around a campfire drinking Bud" come on, would it be "cooler' if they were sitting around a Coleman lamp sipping some designer beer? You sound like a yuppy, who doesn't want the "common guy' to ruin his time. Well, its a big world out there with all sorts of folks incase you haven't noticed. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
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jake you need to take a trip up to PA and see exactly what garrett and i have to live with. you obviously can't relate to our problem. it's not the beer it's the broken bottles and cans everywhere. it's the obligitory fire ring. it's all that and a bag of chips...
garrett your use of the word "redneck" throws me off. maybe over in midstate they are rednecks, but over in western Pa i consider then hill billies.
what's wrong with being an eletist?
rd |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 05:57 pm: |
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hmmmm now being that i am both a red neck and a hill jack aka hill billy, i take isssue with bot of you boys from PA. first public land is not for the rich and eletist. it is for all of us. if you are concerned about hearing engine, then i suggest you park your rover in fromt of your local kmart with a for sale sign posted on it. to someone, somewhere you are the unwanted intruder. we all live in glass house be careful how you throw your stone. second saying that all those good ole boys in the chevys with the 44 inch tires have the same right to use public land as you do, to say the its worse in PA than anywhere else is, well, dumb. there are abusers of public land all over the USA. they come in all shapes and sizes, they ride mountain bikes, ride horses, trucks with oversized tires and yes land rovers. if you want to perserve the wild for the generations to come concentrate on conservation and not exclusion. at one point elk could not be seen in the hills of eastern kentucky. today, with the help of money spent by mostly hunters, and a lessor portion from tax payers elk can now be seen roaming the Apps. even more as i said we need to police ourselves first and take the approiate action when we observe violators. when you saw the "rednecks" throwing beer bottles did you drive off shaking your head, or did you get on the cell phone and call local LE.
we cannot forbid one group of people from the use of public lands while allowing others free use. here in Ohio monies spent by people on motorized vehicles are used for public land upkeep. to ride that loud dirtbike on a single thrack, motorized bike trail requires the purchase of a state sticker (like having a boat) and then a day pass purchased for the actual days that the rider is on the trail. i believe that is the norm across the country. this money like that spent on hunting license is used to maintain public lands. without that cash horses couldnot ride on there trails, dual path trails we use would not exsist. there are places on the public lands of Ohio that you can't even ride a bike on, this land is for those who wish for the quiet.
jake is right, just think about it! someone hates to see Land Rovers on the Moab, the same people believe that you should not be allowed to ride your bike on certain parts of public land, they also believe that no one should even walk on sacred land. imagine that, think about it for one second, public land is that land for public use. there has to be rules and i believe that permits are ok. but dont bust someone balls just because he uses his time on a dirtbike and not a LR. now lets move on to more important matters, like how ugly Kyle's bumper is.
PEACE,
mike w |
Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler)
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What you don't understand (because they don't tell you) is that Half Moon Bay and Moss Beach are being over run by the SF crowd looking for homes outside the city (but still commutable). The locals are all riled up and getting pissed. Any excuse to protest.
The real issue is that it's a small town being forced to grow up. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 06:17 pm: |
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>>we cannot forbid one group of people from the use of public lands while allowing others free use
life isn't fair, gonna have to get over it... it's not that they are forbiden, just have to obey rules. what those rules are are what we are arguing over.
hmm, there are bathrooms & showers at some state and federal parks, they are public, what if i wanted to use the ladies shower? then what?
we all know we are offending someone out there at sometime for every little thing that we do. why is that a bad thing, why must i always assume i am the one that is in the wrong. cant i just say my opinion is the right one and be the end of it?
rd |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 06:58 pm: |
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"cant i just say my opinion is the right one and be the end of it?" is that not the same right i have rob?
RULES, we got rules around here. get over yourself. the issue is not about rules its about people who want it all for themselves, greed that is the issue. we are discussing the use of public land not taking a shower. in cases where YOU are not permitted to use a toilet and you do anyways well i believe that is called trespassing. if you wanted to drive your disco on a trail on public land set aside for horses that too is trespassing and if you do i hope they fry your ass for it. in the case of this debate, if you want to exclude dirtbikers from the use of public land then at some future date dont get pissed off when the signs are posted stopping you from enjoying public land in your whatever it is you choose to drive. it can and has happened too many times. you cant blame it on redneck hill billies, you cant blame it on tree huggers, you cant even blame it on horse people. if they close public land it is the fault of you and I, we failed to take our heads out of our asses and did something about the abusers of public land. we failed to stand up and put govt. in its place. we failed to call out for help when we see violators. we fail when we dont spend a hour picking up trash on the trails we ride.
"we all know we are offending someone out there at sometime for every little thing that we do. why is that a bad thing, why must i always assume i am the one that is in the wrong. cant i just say my opinion is the right one and be the end of it?" ok your right! feel better?
now about Kyle's ugly bumper!
no peace,
mike w |
charlie
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I was only thinking some very simple facts.
The fact that people entering private land without permission.
The fact that people leave trash behind, on public or private land.
The fact that people do not respect others using the area.
I am no Sierra Club or environmentalist. I am just pissed at people not respecting others. That's why I posted this link.
---Charlie |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:30 pm: |
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i am a sierra club environmentalist ! i have said it once and i'll say it again. if it comes down to it, i choose wilderness over offroading.
you just missed my point.
rd |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:40 pm: |
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i am not about wanting land or space for 'myself', but rather for those who respect it. i know that is and will not always be the case........i cannot assume that. we already know there are too many dumb shits out there screwing things up for us. i have to explain to people every time what i am doing when i go wheeling. making sure they understand i am not the average billy butt fuck that goes tearing up as much ground as i can with my kick ass hickmobile. yes....i am trying to offend some people here. big deal....get over it. if what i have said in the past has led you to believe i am an elitist....good i don't really care. maybe i am. well actually i am if you are comparing me to the half wits i have seen over the years that go around trashing every hillside with dishwashers and car tires. i see it all over and i know exactly who these people are. i say it again.....they are dumb fuck rednecks. if you fall in to that catagory you are one too. though this is not really about class, but rather it is about respect. i show no or little respect to those that choose to do these acts. in my mind they don't derserve the same rights as me when it comes to sharing OUR public lands. if they cannot obey some very simple rules then i see no reason why they should be given those privlidges. that may sound ridiculous, but people who cannot honor simple tasks such as those need to go to the back of the line.
charlie said it well........."the fact that people do not respect others using the area." this is what i am talking about. i don't care what you are riding or driving, but there needs to be a division somewhere along the lines. we cannot all just have a free for all on the land. we will all ultimately loose that battle and have nothing to show for it in the end.
again......i am not suggesting we ban anything........that is obviously wrong and not what i want at all. just that since we use common sense does not mean that everyone else will.
and if i choose to drink good beer and that makes me an elitist AND a yuppy. take a look at my neighborhood jake and i think you would change your mind. i live among many rednecks and get along with them as well as i get along any other 'joe'. many of them are good decent people, but there is a large group of them that are just plain ignorant and that is where the differences begin.
i think we all ultimately want the same thing. i know no one here wants to see our public or private lands destroyed. i am just suggesting that we try and keep what we already have and tend to it as best we can while keeping it useful for the people who deserve that right. we certainly all don't.......and those people i am talking about are not those on this board, but rather those who find this subject unimportant.
jake and mike this is not a personal attack on you by any means, but just another debate here on dweb. i am just a little more passionate about this subject, since it is a subject i deal with on a daily basis and at times it scares me a little to see what is being done or lack of what is being done to keep our public and private lands diverse and usable.
sorry for the long winded tooting of my horn here, but at least i am not posting porn here!!! haha.
later all.
ps: life is too damn short to drink shitty beer anyhow. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:21 pm: |
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i agree with your GP, life is too short for cheap beer. i also have to say that i believe that what you are clearly pointing out is exactly what i tried but failed terribly to say. it is bound to happen and sooner or later our public lands will no longer be public, til then enjoy all. take your time enjoy the scenery. take pictures, leave nothing behind when you leave. remember to watch for hikers, horses and dirtbikers. hug a tree, kiss the spotted owls ass and above all enjoy what few freedoms we have left.
now is it me or is Kyle's bumper just plain weak looking!
mike w |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:12 pm: |
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Thats better Mike , much better. There may be some hope for you yet.....
Kyle |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:28 pm: |
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i am trying! its hard for me i am a nice guy, not an arrogant, rude bastard like some people we know! hehehehe
mike w |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:55 pm: |
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Nice debate, even if we can only agree to disagree on some points. I'll keep this uncharacteristically brief: As for horses and their negative impact on the land, that is surely a joke. Horses have been redicovered in the past two decades as the most efficient and least damaging vehicles for logging in heavily forested areas. They can go where motorized can't, and with little to no damage to surrounding trees when using selective cutting practices (meaning leaving many trees standing in the same areas). As far as picking up manure on trails, get a grip and a freakin' life. First, it's easily avoided by hikers, and it sure ain't the only scat out there. As far as benefit, I can tell you what the report I recently got back from my pasture soil samples revealed. My most beautiful and least used pasture was the poorest in nutrients. Note: Least USED. This means my horses are there less, and not shitting out the nutrients as much as they are on my other pastures. It's beautiful and because of the lack of shit, it's the poorest. The recommendation was to spread manure to bring up the nutrient content in the soil. Y'all can learn me about bumpers and winches, but don't try to learn me much about horses and shit.
Karen |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:57 pm: |
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gp,
Goddamn! I haven't seen this side of you, you l'il tree hugger! I like it!
Karen, tree hugger, reef hugger, you name it..... |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:36 am: |
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just making a point KJ, that I have been to meetings where Mountain Bikers and Hikers have bitched to the Forest Service about 4x4s and horses and the fact that they didn't like walking through horse shit was brought up in the meetings.. I wouldn't want to step in it either.. |
Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:06 am: |
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That's OK Eric. It's called watching where you put your feet. Kinda' like having a spotter when you're driving in a rock garden... ;-) |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:38 am: |
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karen. i am not really a big tree hugger.....if you knew me you wouldn't really think it, but i try (emphasis on the word try) to be a pretty moderate person. but when it comes to the environment i step just a tad to the left.
so are you still in love with me?? haha.
well off to pittsburgh to do some more 'huggin'!! |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:07 am: |
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No, Jeff, I just don't do much hiking on horse trails, well at least trails that horses frequent often. I find it's even easier to avoid them that way. |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:06 am: |
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Eric,
Do you watch for snakes and other natural hazzards when hiking? Think of horse scat as just another natural hazzard
Karen, off to shovel some! |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:07 am: |
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gp,
I'm not sure anymore, now that I know you're elitist and all.......
Karen |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:28 am: |
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sure, so if I walk my dog on the front walkway of your house that goes from your front door to your driveway every day you will be Ok with that? After all you can always just step over it.. |
Heather
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Ok Eric you just reminded me of the lil ole lady who lives down the street,,, she walks her dog daily up and down our street allowing the lil bastard to crap in our yards!! It's not the same thing as being on a trail that's for damn sure!! Damn inconsiderate neighbors,,,, |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:17 pm: |
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i believe that inconsiderate neighbors was the whole point of this debate. |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:51 pm: |
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yeah I got that from reading the tread,,, just had a personal flash back |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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You'd be on my property without permission then Eric, and as well you know, in many towns there's a pooper-scooper ordinance. Likewise, when horses are engaged in work in towns and cities, such as commercial buggy ride trips and the like, the operators have fitted bags that catch the manure before it ever hits the ground. And, as was pointed out a post or two above, we were talking about trails, not my yard
Karen, who has never seen anything pretty growing out of discarded Budweiser cans. There's a reason we have gardeners lining up every weekend to cart off our horse manure |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:24 pm: |
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this hill jack fella and his lady got married,,,, one night she looked over at him and said baby, say somethin soft and warm....he replies....
SHITTTTTTTTTTTTT! |
Roverine
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:07 pm: |
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Good thread here ... seems to me that most of us are bringing up the same basic point: (well stated Charlie) respect for other people, private property, and the land. What Jeff pointed out is very true also. Particularly for California in general.
GP, I about fell out of my chair after reading your 1st post, and those thereafter. Wow. Good stuff. Like KJ said, I haven't seen this side of you ... very nice! (better than the cat thing - DO NOT ruin this, by posting any kittie bashings, LOL).
Horses: As for the horseshit issue, well, that's just horseshit itself. KJ addressed that very well, I thought. As for horses on the trail and motor vehicles, yes there are areas where that can be a problem. Once again, I think this was well addressed. It used to be a daily fact of life out on the trails in the area I rode in as a youngster. I think I only received one concussion due to that. Yes, when we heard them coming, we did our best to get out of the way, and took whatever measures were needed to try to control the particular horse (or in my case, beasts) we were riding. It was mostly motorcycles for us. Most were very good about cutting their engines whenever they could. Others, well, they were evil rotten little bastards that did their best to torment us (evil laugh ... we had ways of dealing with them - oh yes, they got theirs ...). I also must confess however, that when I was very young, I learned a lesson about the damage horses can do to property ... In our ignorance, my friends and I had a favorite game of hide & seek that we used to play in orange groves on horesback. It involved several horses, a lot of galloping and bobbing and weaving around through the trees. One of the owners finally brought out a gun loaded with buckshot ... 'nuff said.
Kim |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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Just using that as an example KJ.. I have yet to even see a horse on any of the trails that I go on except for Greatfalls Park and even those are police horses.. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 06:44 pm: |
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meoooooow. SPLAT!!!
not to worry....bad garrett will be coming around soon. i think someone must have beaten me or something and i have been lost for a while. i will come around.
garrett (elitist and hater of cats and small dogs....except jack russels) |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:40 pm: |
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My two JRT's will appreciate that, Garrett! P.S., KJ - did you know that Jack Russell Terriers make great horse dogs?
e |
KJ
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 12:33 am: |
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Erik,
Love your dogs! Yup, we've had them for nearly 25 years. I just lost one of mine a couple of weeks ago. Still have her litter mate (and our last living JR), who is still truckin' at over age 18. As Roverine knows, I've had them long enough that no one BUT horse people knew what they were for the first 10 years or so I owned them. They'd ask, I'd tell them and they'd invariably say, "Jack Daniel's Terriers? Never heard of 'em." LOL!
Karen |
Kent Westbrook
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 12:49 am: |
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KJ and Roverine,
I, too, have to admit to a bit of surprise in seeing this side of Garrett, but only a little. I actually had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of weeks ago at a Rover weekend in the Poconos, and he wasn't at all what I'd expected. I mean, you tend to get a certain picture in your mind when you think of a cat and small dog hating, beer swilling, pornmeister, you know? I guess I sort of expected to see one of those dumb-ass rednecks he was talking about.
Nothing could be further from the truth! I mean, the guy was a real gentlemen, soft-spoken, even scholarly! And, as his posts prove out, he's even a bit of an idealist.
Garrett, if you want to maintain your reputation at all, kitty-bashing will have to soon follow. A shame about Julie, but might that have had something to do with the all the butt-patting going on with you and others that weekend? (Disclaimer: Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
BTW, to all who've contributed here, a great thread. It's kept me occupied for over an hour.
Kent |
KJ
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 01:04 am: |
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Heeheeheee....Garrett is SO busted! A scholarly, soft-spoken gentleman???? I STILL think he's a closet tree-hugger, too, no matter HOW much he protests.
Kent, gp might have been patting those bee-hinds because Roverine and I are already spoken for, eh Kim? Or perhaps the deep shame he felt at the uncontrolable physical spasticity he experienced when meeting the beautiful Heather was too much.....Hey gp, some of my closest pals have been of the "not that there's anything wrong with it" ilk. You could be my next best "girlfriend", boyfriend!
Karen ;) |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 01:08 am: |
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KJ,
When you tell most folks what they are, they say, "...oh, so that's a Jack Russell!" When they want to know why the big one is digging, I try to explain the whole fox-hunting lineage - most folks have no idea.
The hunting instinct in the big one (Chile) is really prominent, while the little one (Dot) prefers a game of fetch - for hours and hours...
Too bad about one of your's passing - they really do live a long time, don't they!
Okay, just because you're a fellow JRT person...
Okay, that will be all from the proud owner - I promise! |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 01:10 am: |
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Image no worky. |
Erik Olson (Jon)
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Can't upoad image - too dumb to work Internet - upload! |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 01:19 am: |
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One last time...
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gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:24 am: |
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well geee guys. what is a guy to say. thanks kent.....i mean at least someone is taking my side here. see that was my 'good' side.......once i am away from julie or other 'grounded' people i change quickly and become a superfreak!! nah....not really. instead of 'changing teams' as some of you have suggested or claimed i have done, i think i am just going to have THE surgery. you know what i mean......just have them taken off. i think my life would be alot easier. no need to have minor panic attacks while walking around campus or town here......or when kyle or heather are nearby!!! haha.
nah again on that......i could never go the other way no matter how long i was in prison for or how good Kent looked in those spandex uni-suits. i mean it looked like the guys was trying to smuggle grapes into the poconos. it's not a crime kent!! haha yeah there was a lot of 'male love' going around that weekend. but that is all Evan......ever since the divorce he has decided to give men a try. so just keep an eye on the guy if you decide to head to Uwharrie next month.....those public showers are pretty tempting for him. i mean didn't you notice that rainbow sticker on his truck?
kent was a decent guy too. mild manored and all that......and a nice truck ta boot. and i don't think he got stuck either.
sorry karen and kim.....i mean i have never dated an older woman. i am just not sure i have the intellect to keep up with older ladies. i usually try and stick to the younger ones. their minds have not quite developed yet and i need to get in on the 'ground floor' so to speak.
but i think kent and others for that matter would quickly change their mind on their judgements of me in a different environment......not that it is bad though. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
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garrett, go for the nip and tuck... you'll love it when you go jogging. trust me.
i remeber when i went to the breaders to get trudy my jack russell, the guy picked up the bitch and explained all the hunting aspects , warning me not to let me dog go down in a hole cause there rib cage collapses and they can get wedged in, to prove it he picked up his dog buy the nubby tail and said 'this is what you hold onto if you have to pull em out" then wraped his hands around the dog and squeezed in to show us what he ment, pretty amazing stuff.
-rd |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 11:06 am: |
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nip and tuck? are you talking about spandex? or are you refering to stalking instances on campus? i only wear spandex when i ride, but only with a pair of shorts on top. actually i do like the feel of it.......oooohhhhh. aaaaaahhhhh. |
Kent Westbrook
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You know, I should have clarified things a bit better last night, but it was late. GP was the recipient of the "butt pats", not the initiator. I think he's OK on that score, not even curious, but evidently attractive to others!
And I'm shocked the girls haven't responded to the "older ladies" comment.
Kent |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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oh they will kent......they will. maybe they are just sleeping in today or have the day off. better yet they are 'working' on their trucks.
you know as you get older you are suppose to need less sleep. so according to my calculations they should be getting up around 4 am. hmmmmm.
i better go now. nice enough out today to do some work on the truck. |
Kent Westbrook
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
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Oh man...just curious, what time did they go to bed to be getting up that early? |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 01:20 pm: |
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Quote:
that fucker garrett said:
instead of 'changing teams' as some of you have suggested or claimed i have done, i think i am just going to have THE surgery. you know what i mean......just have them taken off
no garrett, i'm talking about cutting that bad boy off so it looks like you have two belley buttons... just like you suggested originally
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gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 01:38 pm: |
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i now see rob. i understand and see the light. twice the lint!!! that alone is worth it.
i think they usually hit the hay by around 9 pm or so......or after the one tom collins.....then it's lights out for the gals. |
KJ
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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Listen my young Jedi, check my posting times and you'll see I operate off minimal sleep and still have the energy and keen senses to keep the young and inexperienced in line. Having said that, all this young animal training DOES get a bit tiresome. Give me a man, an experienced man, who knows what I want without a break-in period. Second that emotion, Roverine? LOL!
Karen |
KJ
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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Erik,
Dag your JRs are CUTE! They look pretty well integrated into your family, too, taking over the couch that way. I wish I could understand the instructions for posting pics here, I've tried the practice area and there's something not computing for me. It was sad to lose our Bobcat, but her bro Badger is still with us at his advanced age, though he does virtually nothing but sleep. Their mother was the best terrier I've ever met. Highly unusual JRT in that she was a keen and aggressive hunter and competitor, but impeccably well behaved. She suckered a LOT of people into getting their own JRs, despite me telling them she was NOT the norm. Once you have these dogs it's hard to settle for anything less fun. We used to terrier trial and race a lot. Damn, I miss my young doggies.....
Karen |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 03:26 pm: |
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i think you summed it up enough in the message to erik......"Damn, I miss my young doggies....." will this be how i will feel when i am 'your' age and looking at the young ladies on campus. minus the dog reference of course. haha.
well i have to say there are some older people i play hockey (advanced levels.....not street stuff) with and i sure hope i am beating up on young kids when i am there age.
i better get some sleep....actually i am heading to the bars!! yippie. |
KJ
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 05:02 pm: |
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gp, moss don't grow on a rollin' stone, so have a good time. I'll spend some time trying to reconcile your bad ass side with your soft-spoken, gentlemanly, scholarly, gay side.
Karen |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 05:24 pm: |
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Karen,
Seems to me that posting pictures has become a lot more difficult since the move to new ISP some weeks back. If you do the "'backslash'image{description}" thing, you really have to make sure your picture file is actually called "description". That was not my experience on the old ISP / configuration. If the description didn't match perfectly, I kept getting a very stern warning from Axle H.!
I also was not able to upload from the ZIP disk where those dog pictures reside - I had to drop them on the desktop and upload from there before it would work.
Good luck! |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 04:46 am: |
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Hey Garrett(!)
"you know as you get older you are suppose to need less sleep. so according to my calculations they should be getting up around 4 am. hmmmmm." ....."i think they usually hit the hay by around 9 pm or so......or after the one tom collins.....then it's lights out for the gals."
HAHAHAHAHA ...I've been 'runnin' and gunnin' all day and night ... just getting in now, from having some fun (you know, Bingo, and "Needlepoint Club" - HAHAHAHAHAHA!). Boy ... you can't EVEN keep up with me, LOL.)
KJ, "Having said that, all this young animal training DOES get a bit tiresome. Give me a man, an experienced man, who knows what I want without a break-in period. Second that emotion, Roverine? LOL!"
You surely have that right, LOL
Kim |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 03:35 pm: |
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the end! |
KJ
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 10:58 pm: |
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Hey M.K., it ain't over 'til the old women SAY it's over, LOL!
Karen |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 06:37 am: |
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yes ma'am! |
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