| Author | Message | ||
     Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) New Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm looking at the Green Monster 3" lift springs from NorthWestParts.com for the D1. (4 for $200USD) Anyone have personal experience with these springs? | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 357 Registered: 07-2002 |
Shawn, I am waiting to get my 2" springs this week, I was hoping Andy would write or call me yesterday so that I could definately get them on this weekend. I will have photos and post my review on this web site and on my own when I get them on. Although my truck is going to look funny with thos tiny rounded-off tires I got on it right now. http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net | ||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2002 |
"400+ lb spring rate" My kidneys and I are interested too... | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 361 Registered: 07-2002 |
The people I have talked to say they are soft on the ride though.... | ||
| Todd Rooker (Tryrook) New Member Username: Tryrook Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2002 |
Check out the archives...I have the 3" lift and described the ride as best I could last month. I wouldn't classify them as soft (in comparison to stock), but they definitely are not harsh either. | ||
| Jason Smith (Smithers) New Member Username: Smithers Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
They seem to be a little softer then the OME springs that I had. Overall I think that they are as good as or better then any others. The softer feel should be a great advantage for articulation. I have the big green Disco on Andy's site and have put about 500 miles on them. | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) New Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2002 |
Todd, I just emailed you about yours. Can you post your before/after pics yet? Jason, love the stance of your truck. You should put some pics in the photo gallery. | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) New Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2002 |
R.B.- If you don't mind me asking, why are you going to the 2" lift? I figure if I'm going to replace the springs, I'm going to get the tallest I can without major mods. Just wondering... | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 365 Registered: 07-2002 |
Huuu... Well, For one I have heard that you may need to replace things like brake lines and that you might get vibrations if you go above 2" This is my family car that my wife and kid ride in and drive. I think my wife will actually like the 2" lift - she'll make a comment or two, then get used to it - but I think she will really like driving it. I am getting 33 inchers and a parabolic lift with OME shocks on my Series IIa - does that make up for it?  | ||
| Jonathan Hensel (Nanoscale) New Member Username: Nanoscale Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2003 |
I was told that 2" is the most you want to do without driveline mods and new shock towers so I'd guess that's why he's doing that. Is this correct? | ||
| Todd Rooker (Tryrook) New Member Username: Tryrook Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2002 |
I did Andy's 3" lift (including shocks) with no mods to drive train or brake lines. So far so good. No signs of any unusual wear and tear after 3000 miles. No unusual vibes either. Sorry about the delay...before and after pictures to follow Sunday. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 368 Registered: 07-2002 |
Todd, is that your silver Disco on the web site? If it is, what size tires do you have on? | ||
| Todd Rooker (Tryrook) New Member Username: Tryrook Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2002 |
RB, it isn't my Disco on Andy's website, although I hope to bring my wheels some fame soon. Mine is dark blue (with a whole lot of AZ pin striping!). I have half a roll of film left in my camera and I am doing the trip up to Crown King this weekend so I intend to fire the rest off. It is my goal to post some pics on Dweb and fire some off to Andy as well after I get them developed (hopefully Sunday!). Check back here soon! Oh, and for the record, the before pics will have the stock Michelins on it and the after will have 245/75 BFG AT KOs which gave me another 1 1/2" of lift. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2002 |
If you lift and then get a tire with a lighter load rating its going to feel softer. Its not the spring but rather the tire that is giving you that feel. A 400 lb spring rate is actually not all that stiff in the rear of a Disco if its lifted and carries some weight. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2002 |
Todd, your 245/75/16's are 30.5 inches tall or 1 1/2 inches taller than stock. That's 3/4 inch under the axle and 3/4 inch over the axle. After adding those tires your truck was exactly 3/4 inches taller, not 1 1/2. Not trying to be rude, just pointing out common knowledge. Dan | ||
| Brian Allbritton (Brian_a) New Member Username: Brian_a Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2003 |
Dan, Todd's truck actually _is_ 1.5'' taller now that he has his new tires. But, as you point out, because there is only an added 3/4'' between the axle and body, that's not all in "lift". I mean, if we're talking semantics, let's get it right. Brian | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 65 Registered: 10-2002 |
Your wrong Brian. The truck has 3/4" inch more ground clearnce and is 3/4" taller, no more no less. Think it out, draw it on paper. This is pretty simple stuff that even buba figured out 50 years ago. What the hell is semantics and what does it have to do with BFG tires? Again, not trying to be rude. Dan | ||
| Todd Rooker (Tryrook) New Member Username: Tryrook Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2002 |
Daniel, Point well taken, but... My BFG 244/75s were ACTUALLY 30 3/4" tall when put on. If you want to use theoretical precision (which you should know that you can't from tire manufacturer to tire manufacturer, as true tire height across manufacturers has significant variability), the theoretical height of a 245/75 is 30.5" tall. Theoretical: New: {[(245*0.75)/10]/2.5400}*2 + 16 = 30.47" Old: {[(235*0.65)/10]/2.5400]*2 + 16 = 28.03" Theoretical difference = 2.44" or 1.22" above and below. My old Michelin 235/65s (which were in need of replacement and were actually 26 7/8" tall when taken off). Again to be precise, the theoretical height of a 235/65 is 28" tall. My ACTUAL difference was 3 7/8" which equates to a 1 15/16" lift, but I tried to compensate for tire wear (without actually running the numbers) and rounded down to 1 1/2". My sincerest apologies for rounding. The other measurements I took were from the top of the luggage rack to the ground before and after. Pre 3" lift and new tires, my truck sat 76" tall. After lift it was 82" tall (scraping the rubber seal on my garage door) for a net lift of 6". I know my 3" lift gave me 4" because I had saggy springs (yes, I measured before and after from wheel center to fender lip on all four corners)...so I must have gotten the extra 2" from the tires. Again, sorry for rounding...I may have been out by 1/4" or so. It is difficult to measure the exact height of the truck without the requisite carpenter's level, and accounting for other variables such as fuel, tire pressure and cargo load, there will always be some variance. Directionally I am comfortable saying to anyone that I did in fact get 1 1/2" of lift from the tires. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2002 |
Todd, Ahhh, there we go, thats what you screwed up. The factory disco I tire size is 235/70/16 not 235/65/16. The 235/75/16 is 29" tall not the 28" you used in your calculations. You didnt really have 235/65 on your truck did you? Dan | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2002 |
Todd, Ahhh, there we go, thats what you screwed up. The factory disco I tire size is 235/70/16 not 235/65/16. The 235/70/16 is 29" tall not the 28" you used in your calculations. You didnt really have 235/65 on your truck did you? Dan | ||
| Todd Rooker (Tryrook) New Member Username: Tryrook Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yep. I bought it second hand a few months ago and have recently replaced the tires. It was serving faithfully as a glorified station wagon for a young mom and her three kids. That is what was on there...235/65s. My apologies for assuming they were stock size... Still got my 1 1/2"! LOL | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2002 |
LOL Todd. What was this tread about? Ah yes, NWP Springs. I'm going to get the 3" ones also. Do you live here in portland Todd? Do post those after pics. I have 245/75/16 dunlop r/t's on my truck and was thinking 3" might be a little excessive for this size tire. Would like to see what it looks like. Dan | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 372 Registered: 07-2002 |
Why don't any of you guys have your truck pictures on this web site? I keep waving at people who look at me wierd. Anyway, what does this part of the above equations mean? ...2.5400]*2 + 16... You guys almost started a flame session over a mistake on what tires he has on his car! | ||
| Todd Rooker (Tryrook) New Member Username: Tryrook Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2002 |
Sunday guys...pics to come Sunday. LOL | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2002 |
I hate flame sessions! 2.54 is to convert centimeters to inches. 2.54 centemeters per inch 2 as in above the rim and below the rim 16 as in a 16 inch rim Dan | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 373 Registered: 07-2002 |
OK, that makes sense. But why are you talking about above and below the rim (in tire size I see why, because you need to know if the clearance in the wheel well is OK) but in terms of ground clearance or "lift" Only the lift above ground level counts. i.e. he said he had a total difference in tire size of 2.44" that would be a 1.22" total lift and a loss of 1.22" clearance in the wheel well. | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) New Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2002 |
Woo Hoo!!  Does anyone know of a reason that 3" of lift with 245/75-16 BFG AT KO's wouldn't be OK on a daily driver? I'm not looking at castor correction surgery, castor correction bushings, new radius arms or Inuit seal-fat ear candling to "heal" the truck of a shimmy and shake. This is our only vehicle for the next year. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2003 |
3" Of lift and you are just asking for drive line issues. id say it's as low as 10% of the people with 3" of lift do not have vib's, or 90% DO plus you will have the on road wandering, 3" makes the truck handle like shit. (unless you get into all the corrective mods) not to mention 3" lift with little tires looks goofy. rd |
