| Author | Message | ||
     Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2002 |
Heads Up all. BREAKING NEWS!!! SADDAM ATTACKING PREMPTIVELY??? FoxNews | . | . http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/864184/posts | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2002 |
See thats why i think we should just bomb the whole damn country and get rid of all those people and call it America 2  | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2002 |
Chris, Bomb what country? Iraq, or, the media screeming the "sky-is-falling." What did they expect the Iraqi's to do? Stay in their bases where they could be destroyed with a single cluster bomb? Also, even if the Iraqi's do start firing (which might not be so bad .... no need for a U.N. resolution), there is such a thing as counter-battery radar. Also, if you tie this into the story of the Iraqis already surrendering, maybe they are just driving down to the border to the hand the weapons over. | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) New Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
Who would do this? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80955,00.html Stacey | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2002 |
Personaly, I think everyone of them deserves a nice Tomahawk homing beacon shoved up their ass. Then the Iraqis can post them wherever they want. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1309 Registered: 02-2002 |
At work, we have a saying... No Love like JDAM Love | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 157 Registered: 02-2002 |
This is going to be a very interesting weekend. First Reports in Jpn. Media from Iran of Uprisings in Iraq (Kirkuk) Reported; Saddam Statues Toppled Asahi Shimbun Japanese Website ("Freepranslated" into English) ^ | 14 March 2003 | Asahi Shimbun Japanese Website http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/864674/posts | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2098 Registered: 02-2002 |
Keep on keepin on Mark & Bev... This "war" will start & end in the blink of an eye. I look forward to sitting on my American couch, sipping a Samuel Adams American beer, and watching saddam's head being kicked around the streets by liberated Iraqi's. linked from Drudge: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030313_strike.html | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 541 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul, i think hellfire is more elegant | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 158 Registered: 02-2002 |
I think we've found the problem: BLIX: 'I'm more worried about global warming than I am of any major military conflict'... http://www.drudgereport.com/ | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2100 Registered: 02-2002 |
Frankly, I'm more worried about how cold my Samuel Adams is than I am of Hans Blix's opinion on anything. | ||
| Todd Juneau (Toddxd) Member Username: Toddxd Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmmm...I am all for getting rid of Saddam personally. However, I would like to know from the more politically educated folks here what the real issues may be with France, Russia, etc? Are we taking a political risk at all the uprisings that are going on against the U.S. and Britain? Could this actually turn into anything serious between the U.S. and these other countries. I welcome opinions and factually based comments. Thanks, | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1317 Registered: 02-2002 |
Todd, France, Russiam and Germany have economic ties with Iraq and if Iraq is removed, so is an economic source for their fledgling economies. Peter, HellFire Love? Yeah, i could go for that. My all time favorite is "Metal Rain" Good Stuff Blue. Nothing like a bit of amber beverage riding the couch. | ||
| Todd Juneau (Toddxd) Member Username: Toddxd Post Number: 68 Registered: 11-2002 |
Paul, Thanks for the comments. I have read many of your posts before, you were or are in the military right? If their economic ties are part of the problem, what do you think the outcome may be between the U.S. and these other countries will be if we go to war? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1318 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well Todd, I don't even know where to start with that. But this is DWEB and I did drive my Rover today. One Opinion I have is that the whole arguement is economical in nature in regards to the spoils of war. I haven't heard one new related item talking about bringing OPEC into the oil mix. Economically, France, Germany, and Russia are hating life. They need fossil fuels to power what working machinery they do have and they need to export manufactured goods in order to purchase said name resources. Russia has oil, but who is buying it? They need income for their very weak military. So what do they do? They export weapons to countries like Iraq to raise capital. A good example are those little GPS Jammers that surround Iraq's Borders. But, what I don't understand is the thinking behind Veto. IF the big three Veto the resolution, then guess what? Cowboy Bush is going to fire up the big war machine and clean house. But what happens after? I can guarantee that the big three will not get any of the pie. Oil Pie that is. Here is another bit of trivia. Remember Kosovo? A couple of our 20 year old Fighters shot down the latest and greatest Russian fighters. One word, embarrasing. Yes, they shot down an F-117, which is also a 20+ year old airplane. France and Russia has sold military weaponry to Iraq and it will be humiliating for them to see their gear rendered useless against our stuff. It's not all rosey being a superpower. But I am thankfull that I live in the US and not in Iraq selling sandals to get by. As far as your other statement: I got out of the Corps in '94. But, I spend everyday working on Marine Corps Bases as a Boeing Employee supporting Marines with their aircraft. | ||
| Todd Juneau (Toddxd) Member Username: Toddxd Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2002 |
Paul, Thanks again. I am just your every day hard working (Disco driving) citizen. It is what goes on behind the scene and the motives that I fear not knowing. I am definitely glad to be here rather than over there. I just hope Bush does not take on the cowboy role too much and cause other diplomatic problems. I guess what I would love to see is that Saddam does have all these bad weapons, and some how we come out like a shining star to the rest of the world. If anything, I sure hope it helps out with the gas prices, it is killing me paying $2.50+ per gallon here in San Diego. Especially when my modified XD only get about 10mpg! I wish our troops well and a I hope they come home soon to their families! | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 154 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey Paul, speaking of Kosovo, there was another little spot where th U.N. didn't want to do anything. It's not like this is the first time the U.N. has balked and the U.S. and U.K. have had to go it alone. (To everybody that's going to say that Kosovo was a NATO, I ask, how many non-U.S./U.K. pilots actually flew strike missions?) As to your weaponry of choice, I was a TOW tech in a not to distant past, and would have to chime in for my old TOW2 friend. Not as fancy as a hellfire, but she sure does a fine job. Todd, As to gas prices, I was reading something earlier this morning (not realy sure where, though) that laid it out real well. Currently, Iraq pumps and sells 2 million barrels of oil a day. At $30 per barrel, that comes to $60M per day, or $22B per year. The expected cost of the war is supposed to be $100B, all that's before you start calculating relief money, aid, rebuilding, etc. So, in essence, it would take the U.S. 5 years of doing nothing but sucking up ALL of the Iraqi oil money in order to repay just for the war itself, again not including all the money spent on rebuilding. Even if we were to increase the fields production capacity to it's supposed maximum of 4 million barrels a day, it would still take over 2 years of ALL of that oil money just to pay for the war. So, in essence, the arguement that this is a war for oil and to drive down gas prices is bullsh*t. Also, since you mention that your in California, I believe your problem with gas prices has something to do with new quility and enviromental controls that were put into place by the California government. Perhaps you might want to take it up with them. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1319 Registered: 02-2002 |
Todd XD, Yep, it's all up to us and what we find there in Iraq. However, no matter how well we do and who we help, five years later we are still the bad bully on the block. Even if Saddam launches his scuds at Israel and Turkey and we intercept them all, we are still bad people. What part of Diego do live live in? If Albequrque doesn't happen, Miramar might be my next destination. Cool XD on your profile. Todd in Japan, The TOW is still very popular and I think our SuperCobras still use it. My gas prices here on the coast of NC goes up and down weekly. Averaging from $1.61 to $1.79 for 93 oct. | ||
| Todd Juneau (Toddxd) Member Username: Toddxd Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2002 |
Todd (ganryu) Yes you are right about the EPA regs of our gas out here in CA. However, before all this war stuff started, the average was around $1.30 for premium. I have to think that the war issue has a lot to do with the rise in price. The other issue may be price fixing or gouging, which our local politicians are looking into. Just this week, some of the Arab owned ARCO stations shut down all but the premium pumps. They will only now sell the most expensive grade gasoline...go figure! It was all over the news last night. There was even a station selling premium for $4.29 here in San Diego, that was reported as the highest price in the country! Paul - I am in La Jolla, just west of Miramar MCAS. If you make it out here, there are a good bunch of Disco and RR people who hit the trail regularly. Drop me an email if you head out west! | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 160 Registered: 10-2002 |
Todd, I'm not sure as I'm not stateside, just commenting on what I had heard. The actual report which had been on NPR was stating that the increased regulations in California were mostly responsible for last month's jump in the national average. Also, sounds like maybe you might want to boycott Arco stations. Currently, I'm paying 98 yen per liter for premium hi-octane, so, that would be about $3.25-$3.00 per gallon depending on the yen rate. Now, Japanese Diesel is about half that price (but a lot dirtier), so, I've got a V8 Disco and 2 Diesel Land Cruisers ..... anybody want to take a guess at which ones I'm driving? I kick myself in the butt everyday for not getting a Tdi Rover. | ||
| Rupert J (Tehamarx) Member Username: Tehamarx Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2002 |
Toddxd, Before we blame All CA gas woes on Saddam & friends, remember that CA is $34 billion in the hole (thanx Gray Davis). One way is to raise taxes, i.e. gasoline taxes.BTW is a hidden one,since it is never broken out when we purchase the stuff. No politico (Dem or Repub) in this state has complained or bitched about (so-called) "price gouging" by the oil companies b/c it means more money to the state coffers to eliminate the debt. I live in Red Bluff. | ||
| Todd Juneau (Toddxd) Member Username: Toddxd Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2002 |
Todd W. & Rupert, Todd - Yes, I know that I am not paying the highest prices, $3.00 and up is even worse than here. I wish my XD was a diesel as well, even though diesel is getting expensive here. Rupert - I don't really know who is to blame for what when it comes to high gas prices and the potential war crisis. I am with you on the fact that Davis has probably been a factor in the gas prices going up. On that note, it sucks even worse that they are cutting things that should be important in my opinion, like teaching jobs. San Diego city just cut 1600 teachers, even the kids were protesting becasue they were going to loose their teacher. That is pretty sad to me, it sure seems like we have our priorities mixed up sometimes. Thanks for your posts, I am really just trying to get a better understanding of all of this from alternative points of view. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 160 Registered: 02-2002 |
I suspect gas will get more expensive before it gets less expensive. Don't blame it on Iraq. Venezuala, the #3 oil supplier to the US, is in disarray under the policies of Chavez. Chavez is running the Marxist-Leninist playbook for gaining complete power. As for California, well what can I say, your screwed. The more the Democrats raise taxes to cover the many social programs, the more the smart people and companies move out, lowering the tax revenue, which raises the debt, which .... you get the picture. I hear if you want to make a buck on real estate, invest in Nevada. Buck Knives is moving on to Idaho; costs cited (Energy, Work Comp & Politics) The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | January 15, 2003 | Matthew T. Hall http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/823168/posts - Mark |
