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     Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) New Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 17 Registered: 09-2002 |
In a spectacular display of poor driving Sat in the GWNF I managed to lose the ability to put my 94 Disco (manual transmission) in gear. While pulling out of a creek bed the truck got hung up and as I attempted to get out the clutch pedal went to the floor. The vehicle would no longer go into gear in 4low, 4hi-or any position for that matter. There is very little tension in the clutch-although the vehicle will start, there is no engagement/friction point that would indicate that the clutch is performing properly. After being towed out and getting her down to the main road, and a humiliating tow truck ride back to Richmond, Va, I now throw myself to the mercy of the boards. The truck has 140k on the engine and drivetrain, so there is all the chance in the world that I blew my clutch out while trying to get out of the creek in 4low. I am hoping that its just the clutch-any advice, expierences would be appreciated. Also for those of you with manuals who have changed the clutch, did you drop the transmission or pull the engine-the Haynes manual says that if its just a clutch replacement to pull the engine but that seems counterintuitive to me. At least it will give me an opportunity to learn more about the truck, overhaul the clutch, and think about driving a little better. Many thanks to Dan, James and everyone else from this weekend-we had a good time and sooner or later I will be back (I wouldn't blame you if you hid when that happens though...) | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2003 |
Lester, the more I think about your truck the more I think it is the Trasmission. Im thinking its the main shaft that runs through the the thing? I dont know how hard it will be to find a used 5-speed or how hard it would be to change it to an auto. I had a 5-speed rebuilt once, it ran me right 650.00 in parts and paying a friend to do it. Im not sure what a LR is going to cost. I hope its not that bad or $$, and we hope to see you back on the trail soon. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 203 Registered: 11-2002 |
can you put it in gear and start it? the fact the clutch fell to the floor sounds more like a failed slave cylinder in the clutch | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah, or maybe you just ripped the hydraulic clutch line off or put a hole in it. | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) New Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 18 Registered: 09-2002 |
Its actually quite strange, the clutch pedal has a very small amount of tension on it, so if you pull it out with your hand or tap it up with your foot it will stay up, but the transmission will not engage at all-even though the vehicle will start. At this point I am going to replace the clutch and overhaul/replace the cylinders & lines, I figure its a good start and if it is the problem than lucky me. If its the transmission or transfer case than I will have just replaced the clutch so I'll be more than familiar with dropping the transmission and I'll have a new clutch when she finally gets going again. If anyone has any more ideas, or knows any good Land Rover mechanics in Richmond that wouldn't mind some $$$ and beer for helping out please pass them along-thanks for the feedback. Next time I am bringing beer in case my driving day is as short as this one was... | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2002 |
now it sounds like a bad clutch master cylinder. will it go into gear when its not running? is it leaking fluid? from where?...check the inside firewall behind the carpet. replace the clutch master cylinder first. bleed the system and i'll bet all is well. | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Senior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 702 Registered: 02-2002 |
Transfer case and/or engine mounts. If you cannot select tcase gears or trans gears like you mentioned, I'd check that first. A friend recently did this in his Disco - got hung up and powered off soemthing and tore all 4 mounts - moved the entire drievtrain in the truck forward a bit. At least check that first. bill | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) New Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2002 |
I'll certainly try that before going any further. It won't really go into gear at all, regardless of which gear you pick for the transmission (you can put it in all of them, we tried all 5 and reverse) since the clutch won't engage (as if it cannot put pressure on) when you let it out. I'll check on the leaks-unfortunatly for me it might be awhile since the truck is in Richmond and I am in Norfolk for at least this week. regards Ray | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 487 Registered: 03-2002 |
Ray: When I pressed the clutch with my hand, it felt like it was vibrating on the way down. Also, remember when you had it in "gear" and let the clutch out, the whole engine sort of wobbled visibly and there was that grinding sound. I don't know if Will Tillery has a shop or not, but he might be able to help you out someway, certainly with parts, he's up around Ashland I think. If not, have your truck towed over here to the Service Center in Charlottesville. Ben let me help on the whole job replacing my AT/tcase. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2003 |
I may be wrong, but it just seems to me that the cluch is fine. Your truck would not grind or anything like that untill you let the cluch out. You could put the truck into gear when the cluch was in. When you let out the vibration was there and a slight grinding noise. I guess you will find out when you pull the transmission. | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) New Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 20 Registered: 09-2002 |
The grinding sound has me worried-about the transmission and/or transfer case, but at this point I think pulling the trying the clutch can't hurt and won't be too much more expensive anyway-I might as well do it on the way towards changing out the transmission/transfer case since the previous owner never replaced it anyway. Thanks for writing in on this, not only b/c ya'll were there and dealt with it from an outside perspective, but also b/c you're giving me more options for help and servicing locations that I was trying to remember from Sat. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2003 |
How is the repair going? |
