| Author | Message | ||
     Anthony Low (Bones) New Member Username: Bones Post Number: 32 Registered: 03-2003 |
Looking at Winches. Preferably one that is a WARN8000. Financial constraints are in the making :-( Is it TRULY necessary to use a 9000 or, has anyone had experience with 8000's.? Also, How much stuff can you add to your front end before its time to consider a stronger suspension system? | ||
| Garrett (Rover7592) New Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2003 |
Anthony, A Warn 8000 pound winch is too small for a disco. A disco weighs roughly around 6500 pounds, and when you consider the obstacles, mud and everything and gravity all combined an 8,000 pound is small. A buddy of mine burned up his ramsey patriot 8,000 and had to move to a Warn 9500. I put a genuine LR winch bumper on and a Warn XD9000i and i have had no problems with winching weight. Also i have 245/75/16 Cooper Discoverer ST's with no mods and it rides fine with my gas ryder shocks. -Garrett | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Member Username: Ron Post Number: 150 Registered: 04-2001 |
Buy a lift no matter what (used, CB, whatever if you are on a budget you can lift it for like $60) and you can get by with a little flamer but as always bigger is better. IMHO M8000, XD9000i, HS9500i all you are doing is buying more speed they are still little flamers. I used to think fast was bad but now I am thinking faster might not be all bad, topic has been beat to death. You will spend your money buying a bumper or mount for said winch too. Ron | ||
| Roger M (Ciscowiz) New Member Username: Ciscowiz Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2003 |
I got a new Milemarker E9000 with 2 yr warrenty for $465 dilivered from http://www.nationaloffroad.com A used Warn 8000 or 90000 will run for $500 thru $650 used. | ||
| Jess Brandt (Disco285) Member Username: Disco285 Post Number: 106 Registered: 09-2002 |
i too would go with the 9000lb. but just for clarity and because i had to say it.... the disco unladen weighs 4379lbs. 6500lbs. is about the GVW.....LATA | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luis512) New Member Username: Luis512 Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2003 |
Winch manufactors suggest a winch rating of 1 and a half times your vehicle weight. If your Disco was weighing in at 6000lb, then a 9000lb rated winch would be correct. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 208 Registered: 11-2002 |
used to be 2x the weight but vehicles got heavier and they just changed it to 1.5x the weight. go 2x and you will have 1/2 the problems  | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 728 Registered: 04-2002 |
I pulled my truck onto the scales yesterday at one of our quarries we service and my 1996 Disco weighed in at 5200 lbs. I have Rovertym sliders, TJM front bumper, Hi-Lift jack on the back, 235/85 M/T's. Granted the vehicle itself was much more empty than usual, and there was no one inside of it at the time of the weighing. I would imagine that I could easily add another 600 lbs for a couple of passengers and gear for a normal offroad day, so that would put the total weight closer to 5800 lbs or so. I think for the most part an 8k would be alright, but to be on the safe side I'd go 9k or 9.5k. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1336 Registered: 02-2002 |
Good timing on this subject. The Warn 12k I just bought weighs in at 134 lbs. Add that to an aftermarket bumper and Whammo, it's time for heavier duty springs and shocks. | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 496 Registered: 03-2002 |
There's also the MasterPull winch rope option. Save you about 30 or 40 lbs, at least on the 15K. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1915 Registered: 10-2001 |
ditto. with a big winch and bumper you HAVE to get some beefier springs. your nose will sag without something stiffer up front. with my D1 and Warn 12K (MasterPull line) and ARB i actually have settled on using OME MD rear springs up front and HD rears with 1" spacers. have close to 3" of lift all around with 32" coopers. if you are getting a winch for a D1 or D2 the Warn 12K is the minimum you want. better to be safe than sorry. just because it says 9K on the box don't mean it will pull a static load like that in all conditions. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2002 |
The real thing with winches is maxing the thing out. I have a Warn 12k and I have gotten to the point where it would not pull the rig. Now, the vehicle that the 12k is on is a soft top 109. I *think* it is about the same weight as a disco, and it was a steep slope, and I was on my 4th wrap around the drum. Yet it wouldn't pull anymore. Except for that one instance, I have never had any other problems with it. It continues to work even after my engine dies  . As Muskyman said, it seemed like the old saying for winches used to be 2.5x the weight of the vehicle. I don't know why they changed it but they did... Max T. Stupid dizzy assembly.... | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 81 Registered: 01-2003 |
GP, Why did you use the 1" spacers in the rear? I like your idea of putting the md ome's in the front. I have md omes all around, I finally have the money for a winch, but I don't want my front to drop to much because of the extra weight of a winch. So your lift idea might be my solution. What about buying a 9k winch and using a pulley block while winching? Wouldn't that help the 2 times the weight pulling power ratio? | ||
| Adrian Strata (Adrians) New Member Username: Adrians Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2003 |
Anthony, I have a MileMarker E8000 (paid $420 shipped) and while not the fastest winch on the block, has pulled my 91RRC and others, up and through mud and hills. Just make sure you purchase a snatch block when you get a winch. The more line you have out the more pull your getting (although at half the speed) Adrian 91RRC | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2002 |
I've had good luck with my HS9500i. Cost wasn't an issue to me, but weight certainly was. I didn't want the extra 55 lbs on my already heavy RTE bumper. I bought a snatch block with my winch and use it on all but the longest pulls. HS is so fast that with the snatch it seems to be about the right speed. Plentey of pull. My usual partner went the M15 route and he had to upgraded to longer OME springs because the sagging was so bad. Of course since we are mostly out together we joke that for any quick pull we'll just zip it in with my HS and when someone gets seriously mudlocked we'll go to the M15. | ||
| Derek Reed (Dmr) New Member Username: Dmr Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2002 |
For another data point, I have a DII with a Rovertym Bumper, Warn 15k (same weight as a 12k)and dual batteries at the original battery location. With the OME 779 P/S springs, I had about 0.5 inches over stock (19.5 inches hub to fender lip). I installed OME 751 D/S springs and now have 21.5 inches hub to fender. The extra spring rate is needed to compensate for the 134 lb. winch and 45 lb battery. I have OME 762's in the rear with a 20.5 hub to fender measurement. I'll probably go with a 1" spacer in the rear if the front does sag too much. | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 500 Registered: 03-2002 |
Thanks Derek, that's exactly what I was looking for, I too have the 779s up front. | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luis512) New Member Username: Luis512 Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2003 |
I have the Warn XD9000i. Back a few months ago, I had to pull a new Ford F350 Superduty diesel out of a muddy situation. Don't know what those weight in at. My winch pulled him out fine, though I would have liked to had a larger winch. No body had a recovery rope, or I would have pulled him out with the hitch. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1921 Registered: 10-2001 |
andy, i had to put spacers back there to even out the truck and keep the vibes away. and of course i had to end up putting extended SS brake lines on too. for the D1 with 32" tires i think it is the best setup for my liking. i have messed around with 3 spring setups and have ended up with this. it was a suggestion from Lord Chung and i have stuck with it. ride is not all that bad either. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) New Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2003 |
Ok, everytime people start stating 8000lb winches are not made for Discos, I can't help but ask: does this include the spur gear and the worm gear winches? I have bought an M8274-50 (yet to be installed) because I saw an old M8274 with the 2.1 (I think) engine pull BOTH the truck it was on(1984 J**p J20) and my disco connected to the rear of the J**p up a ~20% snowy slope with EASE. On the other hand, I have seen an XD9000i STRAIN with moving "its" Discofrom a small ravine... To compendate for the M8274-50's weight, I will be ordering the Spidertrax Alum. fairlead and the Masterpull Rope (which you can use since the break is not inside the drum). Have I done the wrong investment? | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 749 Registered: 08-2002 |
No Nadime, you've done just fine. But then again, I'm a bit biased. |
