| Author | Message | ||
     paul londrigan (Neversummer) Member Username: Neversummer Post Number: 85 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ok so I just checked out those pics of the new disco that is going to be coming out, here and in some other car mags. Granted they are only "spy" pics......but holy shit what an ugly bastard. I would say even though I do love these trucks that thing looks like it is going to be a piece of garbage especially if the IFS and IRS rumors are true. Anyone else have thoughts on the truck? | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 583 Registered: 09-2002 |
paul, did you also read anything alongside with the photos? | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 521 Registered: 03-2002 |
Yeah, Your next 4x4 | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) New Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm with you there Michael. The first thing I thought was, "Time to look at Crosslanders." | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 287 Registered: 08-2002 |
http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/newcars/crosslander/index.shtml Pretty cool. First time I have heard of them. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2002 |
If my memory serves me correct, the ARO was at the Colorado Springs auto show several years ago. I was not impressed. Quality was very poor and everything, from metal to material, was THIN. That said, maybe they have made significant progress. At least they have chosen a good engine. That will go a long way. Land Rover better wake up and put a little effort into the off-road part of the equation vs the up-scale market. - Mark | ||
| Hans (Beowulf) New Member Username: Beowulf Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm unimpressed with the Crosslander as well. Although I like the engine choice, everything else seems cheap. They are targeting a niche market of off-road enthusuast yet still designed it with IFS which pretty much hampers its abilities ... looks like another poser vehicle ... somebody didn't do their research. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2131 Registered: 04-2002 |
"somebody didn't do their research" Or maybe they did, I would love to know how much money all the Xterras driving around have brought in for Nissan. I fully expect the Crosslander to be a 'poseur vehicle' that flexes like a box-car offroad, but I sure would love to own a dealership...... | ||
| Gregg Smith (Gregg) New Member Username: Gregg Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
Carter just have Mommy and Daddy buy you one! | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2132 Registered: 04-2002 |
he he, I wish  | ||
| Hans (Beowulf) New Member Username: Beowulf Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2003 |
I really wouldn't compare the Xterra to the Crosslander. The advertising campaign for the Xterra was an enormous factor for sales of that vehicle, whereas Crosslander/ARO (which ARO has never been known for their quality of craftmanship) have been trying to get their project off the ground for years and still don't even have a dealership listed in California (the biggest market for these types of vehicles) at least there are no CA dealers listed on their website. I also think that the Xterra was not aimed at the real off-road crowd, but towards people who wanted to look like they were in the off-road crowd and to steal buyers from the so called "Cute SUV" market (i.e. Rav 4, etc.), but by looking at the acessories designed for the Crosslander (i.e. snorkel, heavy duty winch bumper, etc.) it looks to me like they are shooting straight for the off-road community because most people don't care or don't even know what a snorkel is for. My comment about research was not to mean that I didn't think it would sell good, I think it may do well when it gets here (not as well as the Xterra though), but my point was that the people most interested in this type of vehicle (which it seems to be targeted towards) would be an educated wheeler who knows the difference between IFS and Solid Axles. If they offered a solid axle option (I know, dream on) that would probably peak more interest in the off-road enthusiast market. Anyways, not to rain on anybody's parade, if you like the Crosslander enjoy it! Cheers | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2135 Registered: 04-2002 |
Personally I don't know how anyone can say right now who it is targeted at because we have seen zero in the way of any real marketing so far. Acording to someone above the winches, snorkels and what-not won't even be available initially anyway so chances are still pretty good that it will be targeted at the same group who buy jeep wranglers (most of which aren't hardcore offroaders). | ||
| Hans (Beowulf) New Member Username: Beowulf Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2003 |
True, I have yet to see its advertising campaign, my only references are when I saw it in person and from their website and it was all geared up like it was gonna take on the Rubicon. Why gear it up like that and take most of your press pictures with these items if that is not the market you are aiming for? (normal everyday consumers wouldn't know the difference if these items were on it or not) Even if you go to Jeep's website and look at their press pictures of the Rubicon it doesn't have pictures with heavy duty winch bumpers and snorkels. LOL I know most soccer moms wouldn't leave home without a snorkel and heavy duty winch for shopping mall duty | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) New Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here are some more spy shots: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5956&sid=178&n=158 | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) New Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2002 |
PS - I probably don't need to point this out, but notice that there's no differential housing front or rear. All-independent suspension? Look at the Freelander-style roofline also. And note that "the next Disco will share bits and pieces with Ford�s Explorer." Everything I'd feared is happening. | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) New Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
First off, sharing bits with the Explorer does not mean rebadged Explorer. The sky isn't falling... yet. They had a pic of a heavily disguides 2005 Disco in AUTOMOBILE. It will use a modified Explorer chassis, but that is certainly not a bad thing. That is a very strong, modern chassis. Suspension will be derived from the RR plus all the electronic traction aids. Styling looked very much like the current Disco from what I could gather through all the black tape. FWIW, FYI, IMHO, etc. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 503 Registered: 07-2002 |
look at the... clearance, a little lacking for a full sized SUV. Looks like a Ford with those wimpy wheels and the front end. In 10 years we will all be scrambling for '90's Discos, Defenders, and Toyota 70 Series... Leave the new Land Rovers for people who really just want a mini-van with a hood. http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net May be it's time to buy a Classic RR and another Discovery, mothball them, and break them out for a little investment selling in 10-20 years... | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) New Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well, an Explorer chassis with Range Rover suspension parts sounds somewhat reassuring. I noticed the clearance (or lack of it) at the rear as well. Hope they're working on that. | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 120 Registered: 09-2002 |
Anyone notice the exhaust routing on those pics? Bah-humbug. | ||
| Karl C. (Eurocarnut) New Member Username: Eurocarnut Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5956 has 2 good pictures with some info on the 2005. Karl | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2002 |
Seems to me that who ever wrote this must have reasonable "inside knowledge". www.disco2.com/news/disco3/phtml | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 159 Registered: 02-2003 |
horse crap | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2002 |
Which part? | ||
| Karl C. (Eurocarnut) New Member Username: Eurocarnut Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
Roland, That article you linked to was written in 2001. It is a bit inaccurate. The Car Connection article with pictures was written 4/20/03. A little more up to date. | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) New Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2003 |
The Carconnection pictures are the same ones they showed in this month's AUTOMOBILE as well. Also, a few months ago, PAG announced that it's brands would be in charge of developing their own cars from now on. I think the Jag X-type debacle proved to PAG that messing with specialty brands too much would kill them. Look at how not-Ford the new big Jag is compared to the rebadged-Mondeo that the X-type is/was. So the new Discovery we get now, will most likely be even more of a Land Rover then it would have been a year ago. | ||
| Bud Lane (Hrrovr) New Member Username: Hrrovr Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2002 |
Obviously, there are going to be changes. At first glance, the differences are usually not attractive because they are unfamiliar. But not all change is bad. The jury is still out on IFS and IRS, at least as far as Land Rovers go. IMHO, as long as the new version retains it's off road competence, and it doesn't get a cheesey H2 exterior, then I think I can live with it. It could be a hell of a lot worse. Bud | ||
| Usoff Tsao (Usoff_tsao) New Member Username: Usoff_tsao Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2003 |
In my local newspaper they just had a spy shot of the new disco last week and they also claimed ".. and likely, a 2.7 litre V6 coproduced with Peugeot" and also that there will be short and long wheelbase versions....? are they talking about a Disco90 and a Disco110? =) |
