| Author | Message | ||
     Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) New Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2002 |
Have you seen the photo of the 2005 Discovery. Please tell me it aint so. A 175hp diesel with some 6 cylinder options. What's up with that? Looks like my 2000 Discovery is going to be appreciating in value. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 518 Registered: 10-2002 |
I would take a 175hp diesel anyday! I haven't seen the photo... | ||
| Steve (Steve2) New Member Username: Steve2 Post Number: 32 Registered: 09-2002 |
6 cylinder = better fuel economy. less rotational mass.... a herr doktor rudolph diesel under the hood would give me 'wald'. steve | ||
| Bob Foster (Coppertop) Member Username: Coppertop Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2002 |
V6 ICKKKKKKKK! | ||
| Greg Tearne (Gooddoggomez) New Member Username: Gooddoggomez Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2003 |
Take it from a Td5 owner, diesel rocks!!! and mileage.... 450-500 miles to a tank (or 720-800km in our speak) Can't really go wrong. | ||
| Christian Cartner (Cartner) Member Username: Cartner Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2002 |
No electricals really....yeah. I want. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2002 |
wow 3 different treads on the exact same subject...wow | ||
| Greg Tearne (Gooddoggomez) New Member Username: Gooddoggomez Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Kelly, where are the pictures at??? | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 520 Registered: 10-2002 |
Check the home page for the photo. Took me awhile to find it too. It's hard to tell, what's going on, it's fairly disguised. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 448 Registered: 07-2002 |
desiel is awesome, I would love to be able to turn mine into a diesel... Anyway, other than that someone at LR or Ford is actually trying to run the company into the ground, because that is NOT a Land Rover. They just don't get it. The Freelander is cool, because it is what it is, and it is probably the best in it's class. But people buy LR's because they look old school and they should stay that way - they are going the way of the H2... | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 124 Registered: 12-2002 |
Please noooooo!!! The H2 is a cereal box with wheels - Ford can't do that to LR!! I know the photos are just of the body of a Mountaineer but does anyone really know what the 05 looks like besides the sketches or have they (Ford - uuggh! I hate describing LR and Ford in the same sentence!) even developed the body yet? | ||
| Pete Stefano (Pete_s) New Member Username: Pete_s Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2003 |
I too am a little pissed off with how things are going. Look what Ford had done to their Explorer and Expedition they are pieces of crap they should come back with the half-ton Broncos. Now don't me wrong the F series are the best pickups in my mind and I believe that maybe they should take some ideas from the pickups(not the 150). Really what Ford should do to the defender and disco is beef up the axles to at least half-ton spec and raise it a couple inches with 10 ply tires and then standard powerstroke. Yes i am dreaming!! haha but really there should be more options with the Land Rover and different suspension setups tuned to what you want i.e. Ford 250-350 you can get the heavy service package and yes i am leaving room for the yuppies because thats how dealerships make money. They should keep the Disco SE and then have for us D-webbers a Disco HD with steel bumpers front and rear raised heavy duty suspension and heavy duty axles that you can put 35s and put on with no problem, diff-locks front, center and rear no more rotobreak shit and rubber flooring all the way to the cargo area so that you can hose it out later. Oh they should also bring Defender hi-cap pickups 110 and 130. Yes I am dreaming again!! | ||
| Jonathan Hensel (Nanoscale) New Member Username: Nanoscale Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
Get ready...have you noticed how similar the new jags and taurus's look? | ||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) New Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2002 |
I don't have so much of a problem with the diesel as much as I do with the 175 horses. If they're going to give us a diesel then give us something that we can be proud of like a Cummings with 250 or 300 horses and maybe 300 to 350 torque. I've always wanted to pull my 24 foot behind me up the side of a mountain to get a camping spot with a good view. All this does is make me appreciate my 2000 DII a little bit more. Happy Trails. | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
A cummins 4BT has 130 hp and 350 ft/lbs of torque. It would EAT the drivetrain in your disco and rattle that plastic interior out. So a 175 Hp diesel might be more than sufficent. Diesel torque and HP are not such close figures as with gasoline motors. Glad you like Disco 2s they are truely ordinary vehicles. -Regards -Ike Goss | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 401 Registered: 04-2002 |
Bwwwwaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha! | ||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2003 |
I am keeping my DII for ever - and by the way if DII 'as are ordinary what are extra/not ordinary vehicles in your opinion man with no coils? | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2003 |
Have fun with that D2 when parts support runs out in 5 years. bet all that plastic will look great in 15 years! Im sure the fine electrical equipment in those trucks is built to last too, .but you will be able to fix that yourself right? Some nifty vehicles that you might not see at starbucks are: -Jeep CJ6 -Toyota FJ45 -LR 107 -Volvo Sugga | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 134 Registered: 08-2002 |
Do you know how many D2's have been sold world wide? I would easily estimate into the hundreds of thousands. Parts will be very lucrative for many years to come. As far as ordinary? Hardly, but I'm a biased owner. | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2003 |
They made alot of classic Rangies too, but there are lots of NLA parts for those already . . . Cant buy much for a 2 door rangie anymore. Its not numbers that make cars last its enthusiasm, and the D2 isn't much to get enthused about . . . You said it yourself . . .they've made a zillion of them. You see them on every street corner in every yuppie neighborhood around the world . . .thats WHY they are ordinary. -Time will tell -Ike Goss | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 135 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well I guess VW Bugs are ordinary from that perspective. I believe its still being manufactured in Brazil or Mexico to this day. Dr. Porche hit a homerun with that one. Listen if its oridinary in your eyes so be it, but to me its a life long vehicle. Even with all its warts. | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 531 Registered: 03-2002 |
Ike, have you ever spent any "quality" time with a D2? I see your personal quote and that's all good, and I agree mostly with your comments to a point. Yeah, there's plastic, but it can be removed/replaced. Yeah, too much electronic gadgetry and such (alarms, ACE,etc.), but there are ways to work with or without that stuff. But, the D2 has a definite "personality". I think the heart of LR is inside of it and when you live with it for a while and push to it's limits, you start to see it. Of course, maybe I'm just rationalizing...been doing *a lot* of that lately. After all, it's just a car, right? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1365 Registered: 02-2002 |
I hear this yuppy crap all the time at work. "Hey Paul, there's dirt on your Yuppie wagon." Yuppie this and Yuppie that. Funny thing is that most of the people I hear it from are those who spent $45K for a POS Eddie Bauer Expedition or the $50K Ducks Unlimited Suburban. Paul ordinary loser that drives a D2 and a VW | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2003 |
The Beetle is a somewhat unique design but a rather ordinary economy car. Mr Porche and Mr Hitler had some vision there as far as automobiles were concerned. But visit California, or South american cities, every asshole drives one, very ordinary. My brother had a disco 1 it was a POS. I drove a RHD disco 2 in switzerland it was less than capable on or off road. I spend a lot of time at club events spotting and winching D2s so Ive had some experience with them. Guess they just aren't my cup of tea. I drive a '59 LR everyday so I can throw around the yuppie crap without being too much of a hypocrite. -Regards -Ike Goss | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 139 Registered: 08-2002 |
Now I'm a yuppie and an asshole. Go piss on your tea! | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2003 |
Too funny. And I'm a thread stealing ludite. Maybe you should swap to a 107 Wagon and a VW schwimmwagen and I'd give you a little more credit. -Regards -Ike Goss | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 141 Registered: 08-2002 |
I don't need to impress any snobs. | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2003 |
Then why'd you buy the disco 2? -Ike | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 600 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ike, from reading your posts on other sites, you're very helpful with Series owners and appear to be very knowledgable. as there also is a Series section on D-Web, perhaps you could also help out with their questions as well. hope to see you over there. Jaime | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 143 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well when I was in the market for a truck my buddy who is a LR tech and a car buff recomended the D2. He threw one on a lift and procedded to show me the underbelly. I was impressed with how robust and solid it was. We then went for a test run behind the dealership and easily climbed a hill I wouldn't have even thought of attempting. I bought one the next week and have been enjoying it ever since. I've met many friendly people who also enjoy their vehicles and how capable they are no matter what type. So in the end I bought one because I was impressed, But I guess you buy a vehicle because you want to impress. We have a term for you here on DWEB and thats POSEUR. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 601 Registered: 02-2002 |
naw, Ike is no poseur. just stirring up trouble. actually hope he will contribute on the Series board. Jaime | ||
| Zach Jaggers (Mountenn) New Member Username: Mountenn Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
So stay on the series board. It's not about what rover you drive, or how old it is, or "Mine's Bigger, Mine's Better." It's those two words that adorn the grille..."Land Rover." Quit bitching about everything else...this is a site to bring Rover owners together, not to bash each other. Y'all act like we're wheeling around in Jeeps or something. And hell, if driving a Rover makes me a Yuppie, then so be it...but I'll take anybody on in my Yuppie wagon and kick some non-yuppie ass off-road. Zach | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2003 |
Aww man, you climbed the hill behind the dealership? Amazing! And your buddy, who works at the rover dealership, recommended you buy one? Equally amazing! So tell me, what EXACTLY was so impressive about the disco 2 ? -Regards -Ike Goss PS: Thanks Jaime. I will be around on the series board. The coiler boards are great here! Great people, and great fun! | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 77 Registered: 02-2002 |
you leaf loving bastard.  ---------- Ho Chung | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey Zach, saw that pic of your Disco on your bio. Bet you payed for every dime of it by mowing lawns right? -Ike | ||
| John Hamblin (Jhmover) New Member Username: Jhmover Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
SUCH VITUPERATION! ACK! | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ho, Long time man. I came over to chat with some coilers . . . maybe they can convert me. Man I miss the Bulldog days. -Regards -Ike | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 408 Registered: 04-2002 |
Convert? Ha! Hey...shouldn't we bug TR and find out what the progress is on that leaf-sprung RRC??? | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
Leafsprung RRC? Gotta see that. Tell me more | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Member Username: Ron Post Number: 197 Registered: 04-2001 |
Land Rover design peaked in 1959 Ike is just biased because he can't make anything newer than a 66 run. LOL Ron | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron's just taking cheap shots because NOTHING he has runs. Bwahahaha -Ike | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 120 Registered: 03-2002 |
Ike, Driving a Series everyday, that just wouldn't be practical for me. Great off-roader, sure, and while that's important, my choice of vehicle has to do double-duty. I've got family to haul around and interstates through the Rockies to travel. For me, it was the Discovery vs GJC, Tahoe, Expedition, etc. and I felt the Discovery had much less plastic, was easier to service (I agree the electronics suck), better suspension, and overall better built than the others. So....in this day of manufacturers moving to independent suspension, more electronics, more plastic, in general, more crap - what would you buy if you had to buy something made in the last 5 years that you would use on-road and off-road? Thanks, Jack | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 104 Registered: 01-2003 |
Buy a D1, your not a snob your a want-a-be snob who couldn't afford a DII. I'm a D1 coiler and proud of it. Ike, if the parts for dII's are going to run out, what about finding parts for your series? Your right though, ride in my buddys fj-80 and you feel unique and like your tougher than all the rest of the lemmings. Ride in my D1 and you blend into the crowd.  | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2003 |
I put 32,000 miles on my series last year crossed the rockies three times (on three cross country trips) twice in the snow. Probably would have been comfier in a Disco tho. But geeze, what did families drive before discos? Somehow they managed with something not so comfy and flash. What did we ever do before DVD players in the headrests for the kids? Parts for the series are still pretty plentiful. There are so many enthusiasts that are making things that rover no longer supplies (or never did). Parts for the old trucks are much easier to manufacture than those for a disco and I think thats one reason old trucks (not just rovers) will be around after most newer trucks have gone to the wreckers. Not to mention most owners of older trucks can and do work on their trucks themselves (unlike disco owning majority) If I had to buy something in the last 5 years that was available in the US it might be a (dare I say it) Jeep Rubicon . . . but the point is I wouldnt. Hell I had a 74 SIII once, didnt like it all that much, too new! -Regards -Ike | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2002 |
Very cool. Man you spent some time on the road! When I get the engine back in my MGB, can you stop by and help me set up the dual SU's? I haven't played with it since moving to this altitude. Although it's a '67, maybe a little too new for you I know what you mean about parts, there are more MG parts available now than in 1979, when I bought my '67. And, there is nothing on it that I can't fix myself, but when it was my daily driver (for almost 6 years), it never let me down. I too think the Rubicon comes from the factory best equipped, but it was a little to small for my needs. Now, if only my wife saw old vehicles in the same manner as I do I just may be able to replace my '93 150k mile Explorer one day with a Series! Thanks again, Jack | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jack, I've been looking for a chrome bumper B to go with my Rover... | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 123 Registered: 03-2002 |
John, Ike thinks no good Rovers were made after '59, I think no good "B's" were made after '69 Check out local british car clubs and shows - You'll find lots of options. FWIW - I don't profess to be an expert, just speaking from my experience as a long-term owner and enthusiast into daily driver vs trailer-babies! Email me directly if you find something and have questions, or just want to pick my brain. Jack [email protected] | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 411 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ike, you musta missed it! http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118537&perpage=25&page number=1 Get's the job done! | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 412 Registered: 04-2002 |
Hey Andy...ride in my RR and you'll likely be pushing it before the trip is over | ||
| Todd Nash (Nash) New Member Username: Nash Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
Isn't the title of this thread 2005 Discovery?? Ike, okay the Disco is for poseurs and made of plastic. (I love mine, but whatever.) What do you have against the mid 90's Defenders? (Possibly my next car.) | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 413 Registered: 04-2002 |
Who said anything about mid-90's Defenders??? They're just as crappy as any other vehicle LR made during the same period. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 604 Registered: 02-2002 |
todd - its the nature of D-Web threads taking different turns and sometimes getting back to the main topic. sometimes not. having owned a '95 D90 SW, agree with Jason. it had its merits and for sure its LR qualities. such as both wipers flying off in a torential thunder storm on an Interstate. I was lucky one got stuck between the body and the "roll" bar so I could at least put it back on the driver's side. of course got totally soaked in the process. jaime | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Member Username: Ron Post Number: 198 Registered: 04-2001 |
Hey Ike I am almost up to 50% 100% of the discos run, and besides you were driving that Jeep for a while there right Ron | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2002 |
You know Ike, many (maybe even all) of the older vehicles which "will be around after most newer trucks have gone to the wreckers" were once new and faced many of the same criticisms: too complicated, too hard to work on, too many things to break etc. Those were the same arguements used against the first cars... weren't horse drawn carriages more reliable? Wern't dependant on filling stations etc? Don't get me wrong I love older cars, I'm just not sure if bashing newer vehicles just because they're new is well placed hostility. There are a lot older cars that live in garages, the only road-trips being to the driveway for another coat of wax. | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
Todd - A Mid 90s defender is full of plastic, horribly rust prone (due to the poor coatings on the parts). Terribly expensive for what you get. Only reason they are cool is because they look like series . . .lol. Ron-Yes I drove an old Jeep for a few days during my motor swap before my 109 wagon arrived. I drive a 1965 BMW motorcycle some weekends as well. I think thats it for non rover stuff though. Traveltoad - Not criticising because they are new, criticising because they are overpriced, underpowered, rust prone, plastic coated wanna-be offroaders. Which there's really nothing wrong with (they have to make a buck right). But you go to a dealership and they act like its some kind of refined off road monster thats built to exacting standards by master british craftsmen. Whats worse is people who dont know any better buy the trucks and the bullshit and go repeating it all. Just like the guy up the thread who drove up the hill behind the dealership. Id like a picture of that hill to see how small of a lump will part somebody from 40K . . . -Regards -Ike Goss | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 605 Registered: 02-2002 |
my wife calls them "garage art" as they never go anywhere! Jaime | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 146 Registered: 08-2002 |
Words from a snob mean nothing to me. | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ike, it sounds then that you are not bashing LR for making the truck, you are slamming anyone who is not as hard core as you. If the LR Discovery goes as far off-road as the owner wants or needs it to go what's the problem? The same arguement goes for any vehicle. I get strange looks from other trail users every time my BMW GS Adventure is miles and miles from anywhere. ("Is that a dirt bike?" you have to scratch your head when you say that) For those who need to go further they can modify the truck as there are many after market parts available. Another option would be to find someone who sells decades of mechanical knowledge and experience to go with a late 50's 4x4. | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) New Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 40 Registered: 01-2003 |
Howboucha Ike! Great to hear from (about) you even if it is by hijacking this thread. For those that don't know Ike, he has had some killer series machines. His latest that he is talking about is freaking awesome. I even was able to watch it stuck in 5' deep mud while some conservation officers admired his winching skills. He helped a Pinzguaer friend of mine 2 years ago in Colorado that broke down while going to the Treffen. Pulled the 712K with the series he is talking about. Ike, we will be wheeling soon at RedBird, e-mail me if you want to tag along. Brendan Kearns (Ehrens Buddy- Owned the Pinzgauer 710M that lives in Clay City, works in Bloomington www.howboucha.com) 95 Disco | ||
| Jack Herman (Jackson) New Member Username: Jackson Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sounds to me like Ike replaced his moped with grandpa's inherited series and BMW bike. Lots of talk. It's called convenience and creature comforts, that is why we drive a DI or II. You think you have big balls because you daily drive a series. It is one thing to have a passion for something but to try an portray yourself as an almighty big dicker for something, is ridiculous. Take your series back to your Ace Ventura fantasy world where it belongs. | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hold on Jack. My point is not to slam Ike. I really do admire someone who drives an older vehicle to its limits. The reality is that not many people do. It takes (generally) a lot more technical and mechanical know-how not to mention some pretty fine driving skills. I just think a little mutual respect is do here. | ||
| Jack Herman (Jackson) New Member Username: Jackson Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm just giving him sh*t. Sorry if it seemed to be a slam. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1956 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ike, I just want to say one word to you, just one word... Are you listening? Plastics. There is a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it? Enough said. That's a deal. Traveltoad, I'm jealous! I want an R1150GS SO very bad... just not that much disposable cash at the moment, aside from the wife's foot being put down, lol... -L | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
Brendon - good to hear from you man. Whats going on? What are you wheeling in nowdays? Email me some time ([email protected]) Jack - I guess I dont need conveinence or creature comforts. Nice paint, a stereo, heated mirrors are not really things I need. And you're right it does take something extra to daily drive a 40-50 year old mutt; its called self reliance. Never had a moped (my first car was a 66 SIIA) PS: Whats Ace Ventura? Traveltoad- Thanks Leslie - Plastic is a great material for a lot of things. It just has no place in my car (except for some zip ties) -Regards -Ike Goss | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 130 Registered: 12-2002 |
Is anyone on the Rovers North mailing list and received their quarterly newsletter/parts paper yet? There is a really good article in there about LR owners that fits all of us to a tee. It's not about WHICH Landrover you drive, it's the fact that we all drive Landrovers and the infectionious way they change our lives. It really has been a life changing experience for me (I sound like I'm preaching) but you all have to admit that once you drive ANY Landrover your outlook on them is changed forever. | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2002 |
BTW - "Land Rover hasn't made a good truck since 1966." - Ike I beg to differ - I believe all Landrovers have the engineering to prove themselves worthy of being Landrovers, whether or not you want all the bells and whistles is up to you. But when it comes down to the mechanics, all Landrovers have enormous capabilities. As has been said before, "there are no bad Landrovers, just bad Landrover owners." | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1957 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ike, I was hoping you'd get the quote, oh well... Ace Ventura? Jim Carrey? Pet detective? Movie that has several Series Rovers in it? (albeit carcasses... http://www.fourfold.org/RoverWeb/Tidbits/AceVentura.html) FWIW... -L | ||
| Jack Herman (Jackson) New Member Username: Jackson Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ike- The Jim Carey movie "Ace Ventura Part II" had a bunch of Series Rovers in it. Slap-stick comedy. Come on, zip ties? Get you some nice bailing wire and stay true to your old fashioned ways. Zip ties are a convenience. Hehe | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey - If they are so great. why have they lost nearly all of their utility market? Africa and Austrailia are owned by toyota because british leyland dropped the ball in the late 60s. Only thing thats keeping them afloat is lifestyle buyers. And tell me which components are so well engineered . . . -Ike | ||
| Ike Goss (Leafsprung) New Member Username: Leafsprung Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
Guys, I dont have TV, and I havent seen that movie, sorry. Jack - Bailing wire is fine stuff but chafs the wiring -Ike | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 108 Registered: 01-2003 |
Those big cup holders in the DII are very well designed Also those headlights in the current DII are the must have thing in any rover ... | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 147 Registered: 08-2002 |
I'm surprized you have a computer. | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 148 Registered: 08-2002 |
Original Mac??? | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 614 Registered: 02-2002 |
funny you mention an original Mac - have a 128K (upgraded to 512K lol) up in the attic. keeping it along with my slide rules! Jaime | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 134 Registered: 12-2002 |
If I had to decide between a Series LR and a Toyota Landcruiser (late model) I would choose the Series. If I had to choose between the Discovery and Ford Explorer I would choose the Discovery. It all depends on how your gonna use the product in the end. My Disco runs better than any 7-8 year old SUV with 100K miles only because of maintenance and knowledge of my vehicle. Yes LRs are notorius to quirks (misc leaks, electrical problems) and the reasoning for their decline in the utility market. I am a daily driver of my LR also, but I also have a family that uses the LR on a daily basis. Like I said before it depends on the user. To me it's more conventional to have cuise control and heated mirrors and seats (living in the Pacific Northwest) and to enjoy all of these features while I'm plowing through a mud-bog. Are you saying that a top condition LR is equal to owning a conventional car of equal model? As far as components I'm referring to the engineering of the four wheel drive. It's stronger than any other truck in its class. And locking differential? Full time REAL 4x4? No other truck does that! I agree with you about issues besides the engine (sensors going out, electrical problems, misc. "Discodemons") but LRs weren't manufactured or engineered for driving in the US in the first place so one has to expect it. On average I drive 15-20k miles a year but in Europe only 6-8k a year. LR did not change their export vehicles (like all other manufacturers) until recent company buyouts. One last question - Why do YOU own a Series? | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 537 Registered: 03-2002 |
Oh boy, this should be good... | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 346 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hey Ike- Happy to to have you here. I have followed your posts on the RN site for quite a while, as I am a former Series owner. Glad you stopped in to ruffle some feathers.  S- | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 126 Registered: 03-2002 |
Andy, Good one, I still can't believe they actually install those stupid big-ass dodge durango lookin' friggin big gulp holdin' cup holders AT THE FACTORY. WTF were they thinking? I vote we D-webbers buy Rover from Ford, and put Ike in charge of product development. I don't know him, but I like the way he thinks! | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yeah, but if Ike was in charge of sales... your new LR would be delivered in the middle of a mud bog. If you can't get it out... you don't deserve it. | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 127 Registered: 03-2002 |
That's a better marketing ploy than the G4 Challenge. And, when (if) you got it out, you could just hose out the inside, no worries of leather or carpet. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 109 Registered: 01-2003 |
Hey, I like big gulps. I have DII envy when I'm sitting in my DI and watching them tear off that big over hanging plastic rear bumper cover, and notice not a drop is spilled out of their big gulps. | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 140 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yeah Ike just giving you a hard time. I think all auto manufacturers get cheaper and cheaper. I see why you have a Series... simple and straight forward. Sometimes I wish there wasn't so much put into cars in general as in status and all. "those stupid big-ass dodge durango lookin' friggin big gulp holdin' cup holders" That is the truth. I thought big gulps were associated with WT not "upper-class" | ||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 23 Registered: 02-2003 |
Leafy man - you must love this shit. I recently took my DII to a sand island off the coast of OZ. A number of mates were there, including one with a series Landy with a very nicely re-conditioned 4cyl. He is very experienced. The DII always out performed on deep sand and down awefull tracks, in every way. Sorry pal. Suck it on back. Cheers mate. PS. The axe on the bonnet did not help. | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 427 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ding ding ding...another winner... Tire size, tire pressure, horsepower. Tell me what those three factors have in common with driving on the sand... | ||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2003 |
It had good size tyres. It was running correct pressures for sand. It had good useable torque (torque...torque) and a very competant driver. I a aware of the power/torque difference however, but that is part of parcel of the comparrison. At the end of the day, given the vast difference in age and engineering the DISCO should be better on sand, and for that matter anywhere. My point was that in terms of performance/ability there IS no comparrison. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) New Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_pa1215.gif You mean this freelander looking thing? | ||
| Roger M (Ciscowiz) New Member Username: Ciscowiz Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2003 |
The new 2005 Discos are going to have IFS all the way around. Lift kits will cost $2000. I hate IFS! Rog | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2163 Registered: 04-2002 |
errr all the way around huh?? do you know what IFS stands for? | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 442 Registered: 04-2002 |
Scott, so if a modified sand-rail is obviously better on sand than your D2, then it must be better than the D2 on everything else??? | ||
| Justin hiehle (Vanroth) New Member Username: Vanroth Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2003 |
Carter, Of course he does... What roger is saying is that they have 4WS as well ;). -vanroth | ||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2003 |
What is a sand-rail? |
