| Author | Message | ||
     Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 173 Registered: 02-2002 |
Today, My brother and I installed a Detroit in his '94 Discovery. We set the backlash at .004" and runout was less than .002" (which is about the same as the original setup). While taking it on the test drive, it definitely rachets when taking turns and a couple of times, it made a loud clunk on tight turns. When testing the operation of the locker, we followed the procedure in the manual. While holding one wheel and turning the opposite forward, it makes a very quiet racheting sound. When performing the test in reverse (holding one tire and turning the opposite in reverse) it makes a much more pronounced racheting sound. Can someone with experience with the Detroits tell me if this sounds like normal operation of the locker or could there be something wrong with the locker itself? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2003 |
On mine there is no way a person is going to hold back the locker, meaning to break it loose and make it unlock. When making a turn and not hitting the gas the locker will rachet and time to time make a clunking sound. I think I set my backspacing to .012 and not .002 but I dont think that would matter on the function of the locker, just how long your gears are going to last from heat. Are you sure you dont have a true track? Go find a steep hill, that will tell you if the locker is working. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mike , you are correct and it sounds like its working fine. D , I think you are confused .. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2003 |
I just checked my manual and it says backlash should be between 010 to 017mm. And there is no way to rachet the locker by hand. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 717 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike, I can't give you any help on the racheting, but on tight turns (low speed parking lot crap) my new detroit bangs, scared the hell out of me the first time, it has subsided as the miles have stacked on (2k) but still pop from time to time. FWIW mike w | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2002 |
Again D , do you think I am talking out of my ass ? It sounds like the mans locker is working as it should. Can I get a side bet going with you ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
There's no way to unlock the Detroit by hand? http://www.expeditionexchange.com/sema2002/DSC01964.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/sema2001/DCP_0212.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/sema2001/DCP_0205.jpg What are these displays for? It's very easy to unlock a Detroit using just hand pressure, even on those dinky wheels. And here's Tractech's test for testing the Detroit's function after installing it: http://www.tractech.com/TechTips.htm | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 150 Registered: 11-2002 |
CMon John , how am I gonna make any money with you chiming in like that ? Dammit man!! Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 151 Registered: 11-2002 |
D ?? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well, everyone knows those display Detroits have been tweaked to permit easy unlocking. The backlash on them has been reduced to about 10 to 17mm. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ahhh , its all about the backlash..... lol Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
Could it be that D has the new, top-secret "Detroit Lincoln Locker" and not the standard SofLocker that the rest of us have? | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Member Username: Ron Post Number: 196 Registered: 04-2001 |
No he has the very rare "No Spin" found in 69-71 eaton rears. Ron PS Is this your new secondary income source Kyle? Side bets on discoweb? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 154 Registered: 11-2002 |
I am trying Ron , but when we get to that part they always get silent.... Go figure... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 92 Registered: 02-2003 |
51 REAR AXLE AND FINAL DRIVE 8 OVERHAUL CROWN WHEEL/PINION BACKLASH ADJUSTMENT 63. Place differential housing in pinion housing. 64. Fit bearing caps and partly tighten bolts. 65. Fit bearing adjusting nuts. 66. Mesh crown wheel to pinion. Using service tool LRT-54-508 loosen left bearing adjuster nut. 67. Tighten right nut until crown wheel/pinion backlash is just removed. 68. Tighten left nut until it contacts bearing. Continue turning until a backlash of 0,10 to 0,17 mm is met. DO NOT loosen right nut otherwise bearing preload will be affected. 69. Fit locking fingers and roll pins. Align locking finger with a slot. 70. Evenly tighten bearing cap bolts to 90 Nm. 71. Recheck crown wheel/pinion backlash. 72. Lubricate bearings and gears. This is what my manual says. Thats all I can go by. As far as the Lincon Locker, I dont know John what did you sell me? And the rock crawling pics will be up soon. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 155 Registered: 11-2002 |
D ? Can we get down to the $$$$ now ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Jason Gustavson (Prescottj) Senior Member Username: Prescottj Post Number: 521 Registered: 12-2002 |
rock crawling pics w/wo nerf bars? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2003 |
Wow, so now the backlash has decreased from 10-17mm to .10-.17mm? And quoting from the manual doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean you can't unlock a Detroit with your bare hands. It doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. And it doesn't mean you bought your Detroit from EE. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
And Jason, don't even get me started on your stupid ass. Nobody ruins a good thread like you or Carter Simcoe. | ||
| Jason Gustavson (Prescottj) Senior Member Username: Prescottj Post Number: 522 Registered: 12-2002 |
alright john, I know when to backoff | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well John I did buy the Locker fron you at EE, if you want I will post the invoice and show everyone else how much more it was over your competition. After the locker was installed I turned the rear axle to see if everything was moving right. Before I put the rear drive shaft on I put on the rear tires and my buddy grabed one tire and I grabed the other and we tryed to spin on opposite directons, we could not do anything. When I got the truck back together we tested the locker. Everything worked fine, and has for months. If I pissed anyone off im sorry, thats just how mine worked. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
D, So you're saying you got your Detroit from EE? Maybe my records are bad, but I don't show you ever buying a Detroit from EE. Please do post the invoice, along with your rockcrawling VA pics. I would dearly like to see both. If you did buy your Detroit from EE and not from the local yocal Lincoln Log shop, I will apologize for calling you a liar. However, I won't apologize for calling you a moron, because truth is a defense. So please do as you said you would do and post the invoice and the rockcrawling photos. I am eager to see both, as I think several others are. | ||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 168 Registered: 10-2002 |
Are you guys just confused about 0,10-0,17mm vs 0.004" ? | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 584 Registered: 09-2002 |
yeah, what the fuck is the fuss about? or is it about whether a detroit can be locked or unlocked by hand? the Tractech's cheap-shit EZ locker was damn hard to ratchet by hand. But its teeth are a lot larger, too. | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 175 Registered: 03-2002 |
Hey, If ya'll have a debate over a private exchange, mind taking it elsewhere? Unless Kyle is gunna get his money, it doesn't do anything for any of us but let us hear you bitch at each other. The pics need to be posted though!!! | ||
| BW (Bwallace35) Member Username: Bwallace35 Post Number: 44 Registered: 07-2002 |
A rock crawling DISCO? This I godda see. Come on dude . . . POST'EM! (if you godd'em). | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2002 |
I've seen D. Chapman attack some rocks here in VA. Not Moab/CO/Utah, but more than some would approach. His locker seemed to work well (I dislike Detroit) and he was able to climb some hills that threw his front tires off the ground. Nothing to go crazy. I don't have pics but a decent memory. I cannot speak of how the detroit spins and rachets, but then again, I had no idea that EE sold detroits. By the way, who was the narrator of the BACK EAST video? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 174 Registered: 02-2002 |
I don't have the manual with me right now, but I followed the operation test to the letter. To check the locker it says to: 1. Lift the axle off the ground and have vehicle in neutral. 2. Having one person per wheel, turn both wheels in reverse to lock the locker. 3. Then, while one person keeps reverse pressure on their wheel, turn the other wheel forward. 4. The manual says that you should hear a slight indexing or racheting sound. 5. Then do the same operation for the other side. 6. Then perform the entire operation but turning the wheels in reverse. I was just trying to find out if the fact that the sound made in the reverse direction being significantly louder than in the forward direction should be cause for alarm. D. Chapman, I could scan in the test procedure from the manual if you would like. By the way, we set the backlash to .004" not .002". I think that if you try the above test with your Detroit, I think that you will probably see similar results. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 175 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sorry, In number 1, the vehicle should be in park. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well, JimmyG, your credibility after that Seawolf submarine attack story is about as low as D's and OJ's, so it doesn't surprise me that you and D are two peas in a pod. D? You out there? Where is that invoice and those pics you promised? Does it take this long to Photoshop something? | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2135 Registered: 02-2002 |
rough crowd today | ||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1278 Registered: 02-2002 |
looks like the love boat left a few people on the dock today. | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2137 Registered: 02-2002 |
yes, and all this after my selfless efforts for a kindler, gentler, super dweb. | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 400 Registered: 04-2002 |
*ring* *ring* Hello? D. Chapman? Yeah, he's here... HEY D!!!! IT'S JOHN!!! HE'S CALLING YOU OUT!!!!!! | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 529 Registered: 03-2002 |
cold...cold | ||
| John Abrams (Jabra2) New Member Username: Jabra2 Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2003 |
Wow, I was about to give Expedition Exchange a call for a fairly sizeable order in a couple of weeks, but seeing how rude, snobby, insecure, and inconsiderate John Lee is I may reconsider! I don't know if I'm just reading his posts wrong or what, but he's really turning people off of EE. I should've known better after reading all the ridiculous descriptions of the parts on the EE website, the Dreadnought sliders for example. Unrelated history lesson plus a description of how much prettier they are than the others and how much better they supposedly are than the tried and tested competition's. These absolutely ridiculous claims that to try and sell to the lesser educated people really insult, offend, and often infuriate those of us who know better. I love my Hella 4000's but to say that Hellas are the only ones that "look right"? COME ON! The whole site is loaded with that crap and we should strongly urge the people at EE to get real. Good parts sell themselves by word of mouth and actual side by side comparisons in the field, online, and in literature, and that's why EE's competitors are doing incredibly well for themselves without resorting to such nonsense. Contrary to EE's beliefs, people CAN in fact think for themselves, and they really need to work on their PR. Thanks DiscoWeb for allowing us all greater insight into the mentalities of our would-be equipment dealers! The customer is always right, and if they're ever wrong, you're out of business pal. No matter if they make seemingly bogus claims. You just need to deal with it professionally. If you feel like you need to act unprofessionally at the risk of losing lots of business, at least have sense enough to do it in private so that the thousands of would-be customers that see your actions don't abandon the idea of doing business with you. Sorry to flame, but when people insult the intelligence of a large group of people it really irks me as I'm sure it does most others. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 593 Registered: 02-2002 |
"the whole site is loaded with crap". personally I enjoy reading the product details and feel there is much useful information available to the potential buyer. actually the customer may think he always is right yet he isn't aware of the newer/better mousetrap. many companies try to provide some insight on this to their customers. although I'm not sure what you consider a sizeable order, yet, it also is the priveledge of a company to just say its not worth doing business with some people. from my perspective, EE is providing excellent products for a good value and offers great customer service. I'm a happy camper with them. of course I also enjoy Mr. Lee's sense of humor as well. Jaime | ||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1279 Registered: 02-2002 |
oh, here we go.. now the poop flinging is coming. John A, I think that John L will say that you were never a customer so to use the "I was going to buy some thing from you but, now I'm not" isn't going to make a difference to him. I have seen people say the same thing many times and he doesn't care. As for the sliders, they don't ship them. So for people outside of driving distance (or that aren't very close friends of John and Ho) they don't exist and are unobtainium. So who cares about them. Ok, I'm going back to lurking again. | ||
| Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc) Senior Member Username: Chrisvonc Post Number: 1056 Registered: 07-2002 |
"Wow, I was about to give Expedition Exchange a call for a fairly sizeable order ...." Hmmm... I am sure we know what the response to that statement would be.  "after reading all the ridiculous descriptions of the parts on the EE website, the Dreadnought sliders for example. Unrelated history lesson plus a description of how much prettier they are than the others and how much better they supposedly are than the tried and tested competition's. .....The whole site is loaded with that crap and we should strongly urge the people at EE to get real." Personally, I like reading as much detail and effort EE puts there about the products. The more they type, especially personalized with their own feelings, shows to me that they actually have sat down and really understand what they are selling, believe its the best, and at least are going through the effort of telling you why they feel that way. Doesn't matter that I may or may not agree with their feelings on the product, but like I said, at least they are telling you why they feel that way with an explanation be it personal interjection or product specs. You go to other vendor sites and see "The BEST -insert item here- you can get", and like a sheep, you blindly accept it without any information to back that statement up. Not everyone is born knowing what makes one item better than another, so while you may have the ultimate grasp on the history of products, many do not. As for the history lessons, well, they do get a bit into the history of some products, but when you walk away from buying it, you cant possibly deny that you just bought from someone who knows that product inside out. I don't think it gets anymore real than that. Show me one other vendor that puts the effort and research into EVERY product they sell and post it openly for anyone, customer or not, to read and research from? Show me another general parts vendor that puts more than one paragraph description outside of the pre-package marketing description the manufactures advertising department dreamed up, telling you why you should spend the money on this item rather than getting another. We openly accept this EXACT same kind of strategy from Car manufactures, household appliances resellers, clothing manufactures, shoe companies , Beer producers, or whatever, telling you why their product or service is better, prettier, sleeker than others. Its on the radio, billboards, magazines, TV, and infomercials. Why is it that you find it so unacceptable that a parts vendor could do the same? Just because he can out-smack talk someone on a BBS? What kind of rational is that? "The customer is always right, and if they're ever wrong, you're out of business pal." This is a old school bullshit mentality that 30 years ago when profit margins were a lot larger on goods and service, allowed that kind of approach but in today's industries, that if you stick to that creed, you WILL be out of business. It doesn't float anymore. The slim profit margin in some fields is so narrow that if you let a customer get away with that even a few times, not only will you begin losing money fast, you will be closing your doors for good. The people yelling that in today's industries, are usually the ones that are the most incompetent, weakest links in the corporate chain, hiding behind it in an attempt to mask the fact that they know nothing relating to the situation and its no different in individual consumers. "No matter if they make seemingly bogus claims. You just need to deal with it professionally. If you feel like you need to act unprofessionally at the risk of losing lots of business, at least have sense enough to do it in private so that the thousands of would-be customers that see your actions don't abandon the idea of doing business with you" Someone makes a bogus claim publicly for the reason to make a vendor look foolish and that they had proof of it, and the vendor asked for the proof. I thought it was handled fine. I think the lesson learned by the thousands of would-be customers is that you don't make bullshit claims you don't have proof of, to a vendor that's going to follow through in order to back themselves up. Chris von C. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 96 Registered: 01-2003 |
I enjoyed reading the history lesson in the description of the EE Dreadnought sliders. EE goes to amazing detail to describe their products. Sure they are opinionated, but that's okay, it's their opinion. I kind of prefer someone to say they think something is crap and give a reason why. Goto 4wheelparts, they will sell you crap and say it the greatest part you could buy. With anyone you buy shit from its buyer beware and your responcible to do the research into the product before you buy. Don't flame someone or a company for being opinionated, flame them if they lie or rip you off. If EE or John Lee pisses you off, don't buy from them. But John Lee has the same right as you to flame or call out someone who he thinks is full of crap. Whether he is right or not doesn't matter, what matters is he's allowed to say it. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 95 Registered: 02-2003 |
It will be a few days before I get the some pictures back form wal-mart, and I will post them. As far as the locker invoice, I cannot find it, but I also can't find the invoice for the springs, shocks, and steering dampner I got from you either. I guess that means it all came from Rovertym. | ||
| Peter (Pete) New Member Username: Pete Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
Man, it would be cool if we had a "move this part of the thread to a new thread" button. Chris, As for John A's "professional" comment you quoted, I think he meant the comment: "If you did buy your Detroit from EE and not from the local yocal Lincoln Log shop, I will apologize for calling you a liar. However, I won't apologize for calling you a moron, because truth is a defense. " He's talking about the professionalism John wasn't presenting in that statement. I'm sure in his actual business dealings he is professional in presentation, but he obviously isn't on this board. However, we all know John isn't concerned about what people opine of him and that's actually a good way to live life. I know I don't care what he opines of me. And I'm sure this all has something to do with How to Test a Detroit Locker. Or maybe not. pwc | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 177 Registered: 03-2002 |
I have noticed that they say some things are the best stuff, but they don't sell many (if any) of the competitors' products. This leads me to believe that they truly feel that what they sell is the absolute best and don't want to waste their time selling junk. If you only sell the best stuff and label it all as so, some people will be suspicious, but they're really right. I too love the long descriptions. It provides everything I want to know before I buy something. It's like they've done the research for you. If you don't like that way, just go somewhere else. JMO Brad | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2140 Registered: 02-2002 |
I keep a dog-eared copy of the history of the jerry can under my pillow and read it to my daughter every night at bedtime. Thank you EE for many a hallmark moment. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2002 |
John Abrams , you are a vendors dream. Some dude talks real pretty to you while he is reaching around for that wallet and you are just one seriously smiley bastard arent you ? If John there is whats wrong with Vendors then YOU my friend are a good indication of what is wrong with our general population. If the customer was always right then we wouldnt have the volume we have here and we wouldnt be reading the repetetive questions over and over and over again. Would we? Sure , you like someone to tell you what a smart bastard you are while he is running that credit card through the machine but I hate to tell ya , he is probably just stroking that ego and getting payed well to do it.. If thats the kind of thing that makes you feel important in society then by all means , roll on , but its actually kind of sad. Polititians like guys of your type as well.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh , and D??? What about the side bet man ? YOu got real quiet when you ran into the posibility of backing up what you were saying.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 158 Registered: 11-2002 |
As far as the Detroit question. I answered it acurately in the begininning of the tread. That simple. No fuss , no muss..... Just wasnt something that some of the rocket scientists here wanted to hear.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2002 |
I just put in my order with John at EE for one of those fancy $55 tow straps they sell. Why did I pay $55 instead of the $25 I did for the last strap I had? Because the EE site had a long explanation on how their straps protect the ends from chaffing with condura material. My last strap broke at the end due to chaffing. From the write up it sure seemed like they put a lot of thought into making a good tow strap. I decided I would rather pay $55 for the best strap rather than $25 for another POS. Seems like most of the stuff they sell is no diffrent. By the way John seemed like a hell of a nice guy. FWIW Dan | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2002 |
Personally, I thought that the relating the sliders to a Dreadnaught ship of war was kind of a stretch. I thought it would be better to have a link to all of the history though. Of course, its his website and the above is what I would have done. He can write, "Landys suck" for all it matters. If thats what rocks his boat then go for it. If he got all revved up about the cool pics and bios then thats cool too. I will unfortunately never be able to get some of those sliders (too far away  ). Andy, I will disagree with you on the 4wheelparts thing. The boys that run that store do wheel their rigs. I know, I've met them in the middle of nowhere before. They know I'm for real and I know they are for real (for lack of a better term). I overheard one of their phone conversations with a customer and the remark right after. It went something like, "That was ---(name deleted b/c I forgot it). He wants to put a snorkel on his truck. But there is no purpose for a snorkel there. This is total crap". I've looked at their rigs in the parking lot (got some ideas) and they have looked at mine (and have gotten some ideas). They will always come down on a price for me. They also know that I tend to cobble up something from their general parts bin to make it work on my truck. They are always willing to help me out on anything. Personally, if I can buy it from them (or NAPA) I will. They have been good to me, so I don't mind handing my money over to them (and I'm cheap too). Max T. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2003 |
Damn, where do I start with you John Abrams? Your entire paragraph is so disingenuous it's amazing you thought anybody would believe what you wrote. "Wow, I was going about to place a substantial order but now I won't". This is such bullshit. Just a few sentences later you claim you hate how EE does business and our products are a scam. Well, if you truly believe that then just what on Earth were you planning on buying that was so substantial? Actually, you don't say you won't order. Rather you say you'll "reconsider". This is yet more bullshit from you. Anyone with half a brain knows this is intended as a veiled threat, as if to say "be nice to me or I won't order". In other words, you're playing the Vendor Card. Well, Ho and I don't accept the Vendor Card (we accept only MasterCard, VISA, and American Express Cards), so spend your money wherever you please. If you're going to hold your business or your promise of business out like a carrot and expect us to jump, forget it. "These absolutely ridiculous claims that to try and sell to the lesser educated people really insult, offend, and often infuriate those of us who know better." This comment is especially interesting. So the EE site appeals to the lesser educated? The EE site definitely appeals to a certain segment of the population. That I won't dispute. But I have always believed the EE site appealed to the more educated and experienced offroaders than the average vendor site. (And if you hate the EE site so much, why did you visit so many times? You think it's that hard to track IP's?) The EE site definitely doesn't appeal to the cheap fucks. The only time the cheap fucks read the EE site is to get the information they want on a product and the part number for that product, just so that they can buy the product for less somewhere else like Discount Rovers or Northwest Parts. You cheap fucks out there, you know who you are. As do we. And what is this business about "those of us who know better"? This is hilarious. Are you "in the know" or something? Again, if our products are such crap, then what is it that you were intending to purchase in substantial quantities before I pissed you off? I'd really like to know. "Good parts sell themselves by word of mouth and actual side by side comparisons in the field, online, and in literature, and that's why EE's competitors are doing incredibly well for themselves without resorting to such nonsense." This is another hilarious statement. Go to any other vendor's site and look for wheeling pics. You ever see any? I'm not talking about playing on some rock on the side of a road either. I'm talking about wheeling. I'm not claiming to be Bill Burke or something, but we definitely wheel and test out our products. We don't make claims without having a substantial basis for such claims. Sure, there are vendors out there who are unquestionably knowledgeable but don't have wheeling pics posted. Bill Davis @ Great Basin Rovers immediately comes to mind. Bill has forgotten more about drivetrain matters than all of the other vendors together know about drivetrain. But can you think of anyone else? And you have actual knowledge about how well or unwell the other vendors are doing? Get real you stupid fuck. If you haven't noticed, the economy is not doing so well right now. Even in this poor economy, EE has managed to move to a new shop. We've added Benchmade, SureFire, and Hella to our product lines. And no, we just don't list every product under the sun on our website and claim we're dealers for all of them. We actually have the stuff in stock. This costs tens of thousands of dollars. And because of the greater room we have now, we've more than doubled our stock on our existing products. I don't say this to brag, because it's really not that much to brag about. I say it only to show that EE is growing, even in this poor economy. "Contrary to EE's beliefs, people CAN in fact think for themselves, and they really need to work on their PR. Thanks DiscoWeb for allowing us all greater insight into the mentalities of our would-be equipment dealers!" Here is more bullshit from you. It's a patent attempt for you to ingratiate yourself to the other members of this board. You're trying to generate support for your position. Obviously, the above responses show that you're in the minority. Perhaps you and D and JimmyG and Eric N. can all hang out together and say what a jerk I am. Then you can all nod and feel good about yourselves. "The customer is always right, and if they're ever wrong, you're out of business pal. No matter if they make seemingly bogus claims. You just need to deal with it professionally." Well, if the customer is wrong, Ho and I prefer to tell the customer he is wrong. I know this sounds insane to you, but that's how we do things here. However, we are intensely loyal to our customers and they are intensely loyal to us. That is how we like it. "Sorry to flame, but when people insult the intelligence of a large group of people it really irks me as I'm sure it does most others." Do you see anyone else who is irked? Maybe Eric N.? That's about it so far. Maybe there's a wave of hatred forthcoming shortly, but it'll probably arrive about the same time D's photos of him "attacking the rocks" and his Detroit invoice show up. If anyone is insulting the intelligence of others, it's you. Your self-contradictory statements are so incredible I can't believe you were stupid enough to think anyone would believe them. First you say you want to place a substntial order. Next you say you hate the way EE does business. After that you ingratiate yourself to others in a pathetic attempt to generate support for your cause. Unfortuntely, nobody seems to be taking the bait. In fact, you seem to have had the opposite effect on Daniel. He's never ordered from EE before but he ordered right after you posted, and mentioned your post when he ordered. And your playing the Vendor Card is just as chickenshit as your attempts at ingratiation. I can imagine you now as you were typing your post and thinking how brilliant you thought it was. You were going to generate hated against EE and "get even". Get real. Here's a clue for you. If you ever want to fuck up somebody, don't do it with lies. Rather, do it with the truth. The truth hurts. And people can tell when you're lying. You might think you're such a genius that you can fool people, but think again. Apparently, you and D think lying is the way to get results. It's not. If the foregoing prevents you from buying from EE, "oh well". | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2003 |
"As far as the locker invoice, I cannot find it, but I also can't find the invoice for the springs, shocks, and steering dampner I got from you either. I guess that means it all came from Rovertym." Well, you can't find the locker invoice because it doesn't exist. You didn't buy a steering "dampner" from us either. If you're wondering what you bought from EE, you bought two 762's, two N115's, and two N44's. I'm assuming you have the Cheap Bastard Lift on your truck. You probably bought the rest of the stuff from RTE. If you want me to post that invoice, I will. I won't unless you instruct me to, because it has your name and address on it. But don't go and claim you bought your Lincoln Log diff from EE when you know damn well you didn't. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 594 Registered: 02-2002 |
since this has gone off the beaten trail anyhow, one concept that has been mentioned before and needs repeating is what y'all gonna do when your ass is hanging out there and need help? they're not that many speciality vendors out there for these beasts. besides all the pluses EE normally provides, I'm willing to bet that if in a FUBAR situation EE would do what it could to give support in the situation. that is a quality vendor and the value goes very high in that circumstance. not many of them out there and I certainly plan to support as many as I can. Jaime | ||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1281 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey, what you bringing me into that for?? I just said that you were going to say his "I was going to buy some shit" speech was bullshit as other people had said that same thing before and that some poop flinging was going to start. Damn.. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2003 |
Max- The 4wheelparts here in SLC I had an experience that drove me away. I classified all 4wheelparts the same ... I shouldn't have. The guys here laughed at me when I wanted to lift my discovery and put on a winch, they told me I should look at another vehicle first. They seemed to all drive f350 superduty crew cabs lifted like 6"'s. I thought that reaction was crap. My good fortune was to discover that Great Basin Rovers is located in SLC. Also for what I can't get from him I go to Rover Connection, also located in SLC. I feel guilty now, I look at EE's site for research and I love reading the descriptions, but I prefer buying from those two local companys to me. | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2002 |
Where has John Lee been lately? I've missed all the vitriol. | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 132 Registered: 08-2002 |
Damnit I'm a cheap fuck and John Lee you just lost all my potential business!!! (It was for your sliders but I live in Mass, I would gladly buy them if I could) | ||
| BW (Bwallace35) Member Username: Bwallace35 Post Number: 46 Registered: 07-2002 |
I guess Abrams will not be getting the cool EE stickers. | ||
| Peter (Pete) New Member Username: Pete Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
This part struck me as funny. I'm going to make an assumption here and please let me know if I am off the mark of what you intended: people who want to pay less than "full retail(or any other given price)" for a given item, when given an option, are not good people. Is that what you're trying to say by calling people cheap fucks and let them know you know who they are? I'm also assuming you think people who want to save money by researching on one website(any website) and then ordering on another are "fucks". The rest of the email didn't bug me but that line about people wanting to save money, especially as you state when the economy is down, and being labeled cheap fucks struck me as funny. You make it sound bad that people want to save money. I'm guessing there are a lot here on dweb who would admit they are cheap fucks by your standard so I guess maybe you didn't mean it in a negative light. Your site does have a lot of good info on it and I appreciate the research. I just don't see the logic in paying sometimes a 66% premium for that knowledge on certain items. Just another cheap fuck who likes to save money, pwc | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 136 Registered: 08-2002 |
There are many levels of "cheap" and on occasion I have reached the fuck level. | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 403 Registered: 04-2002 |
I think it's perfectly reasonable logic. For example, I spent 25 minutes on the phone with Marty at BP trying to determine whether a number of different speedo-cables could be retrofitted onto my '83 when I did the EFI conversion. I could have then hung up and bought the parts cheaper elsewhere...or even called the Cannibal and got them used. I appreciated the time and effort, a consistant quality Marty has demonstrated over at BP, so I paid the premium. Maybe simply viewing EE's site for info and buying elsewhere may be a little too soft for cheap f*ck status and I see the argument...but if any of this is accompanied by e-mails or phone calls to EE inquiring about the product, then if it walks like a duck... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 162 Registered: 11-2002 |
PWC , arent you banned ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Member Username: Charles Post Number: 171 Registered: 08-2002 |
I think what John means by cheap fucks is cheap fucks go to his site, find out what is best then go buy else where. When the there is problems with installation or whatever you go back to his site and ask for help. EE is a bit higher but the service and knowledge goes far beyond the few dollars you will save. This is where my money is spent. Charles | ||
| Peter (Pete) New Member Username: Pete Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
I thought I was but I can view the site and post just fine. Although my old account seems to be locked. I'm trying to be less inflamitory this time around. Yeah, if someone were to research at one site, buy at another and then go back and ask for advice, cheap fuck is a good description. I thought he was calling anyone who used the internet to find a cheaper price on stuff a cheap fuck. pwc | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 767 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well, my experiences with EE have been nothing short of "perfect". One instance really comes to mind. Many of you that frequesnt this board and know me know that several months ago I purchased a set of 36" Michelin tires. Right after I purchased them, I called John and found out how much Equal I needed for them, and ordered it. All said, I spent about $75 for the stuff. Well, I eventually decided to sell the tires because they were too large for my vehicle. I posted this on the board, and the same day I received a personal e-mail from John saying I could return the Equal since I was getting rid of the tires. That really struck me as odd, because I never even approached him about it. It was completely unsolicited, and told me alot about John and his business practices. I'm at the point in my life now where I'd much rather spend a little more on something knowing that I'm going to get superior service. I'm just getting too old to deal with people or companies that are a pain in the ass to deal with, or don't know what in the hell they're talking about. My only criticism is I would like to see less profanity. When someone gets slammed, to me it carries much more weight when it's well articulated (which John is quite good at), but without the profanity. To me, profanity just cheapens it. And no, I'm not some "goodie two-shoes". I just don't think it's very professional. OK, I'm done. | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2144 Registered: 02-2002 |
Pete, what do you do for a living? I'm a consultant, and I can't fucking stand it when some cheap fuck calls me and keeps me on the phone with the lure of potential business. These cheap fucks call all the time and ask for my advice, then they either don't move forward, or they go elsewhere where they will get substandard service and a shitty product, but who cares, because it's fucking cheaper. Even worse are the king cheap fucks who say, "Yes, sounds good, please send me a proposal for your services." and then they drop off the face of the earth. I've spent upwards of $10k on proposals that were requested under false pretenses. Adding insult to injury is the fact that the king cheap fucks usually take the really big (expensive to produce) proposals and scrape my name off them and then send them out to lesser companies as a bid package. I don't even have a name yet for these fuckers...maybe "wish you were pushing up daisies king cheap fucks" will suffice. What's so hard to understand about the cheap fuck concept? | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2145 Registered: 02-2002 |
well fuck, Greg, I wish I wouldv'e seen your post before mine popped up there. Damn. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 770 Registered: 08-2002 |
No worries. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1946 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blue, Charge for bid proposals. Greg, To quote my high-school english teacher of mine (who I'm sure was quoting someone else): "Profanity is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate bastards." Wish I knew who originally said that.... (Hmm... something to do after lunch, to go look....) -L | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Peter, I was referring to people who come to the EE site with no intention whatsoever of buying from EE. It's one thing to shop around and do research. That's perfectly legitimate and within the bounds of good faith purchasing. It's quite another for someone to visit the EE site, call us, and/or email us knowing full well he is going to buy the item(s) in question from someone else. That's bad faith. I feel your pain Blue. The sure giveaway is when their phone call or email ends with "thanks so much for the help; I'll be sending you my business for sure". That's when you just KNOW. For you aspiring vendors out there, here are the Top 10 dead giveaways that you're dealing with a cheap fuck: Number 10: "How you doing? Good? Good. Can I ask you a few questions about...." Number Nine: "You lost me as a customer." Number Eight: "Can you send me some EE stickers?" Number Seven: "Do you guys match prices?" Number Six: "I'll call you tomorrow to order." Number Five: "Thanks so much, you guys will have my business for sure." Number Four: "Can you send me a catalog?" Number Three: "I'm not a cheap fuck." Number Two: "Please define what a cheap fuck is." [cheesy drum roll in background] And Number One: "Do you know the phone number for Discount Rovers?" | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 598 Registered: 02-2002 |
see we're on a roll today! very good. pretty comical, yet, probably true. another one could be: do you extend credit terms for 90 days??? Jaime | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2148 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL John how about "rent to own?" or "does that come with fries, a small coke, and a free gift?" | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2002 |
Greg- That was good to read your post about John Lee volunteering to take back the Equal. Given my impression of John from this website, I would be hesitant to buy anything from EE, but it sounds like he actually does treat customers well. Just not DWeb hacks. Although I'm curious how he actually GETS customers, given how little tolerance for bullshit he shows, and the image that we see here on DWeb. Enoch PS- And nobody needs to start the cheap fuck stuff with me. That would NOT be my hesitation. | ||
| Evan Price (The_big_daddy) New Member Username: The_big_daddy Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2003 |
"Anyone that has a Norton Commander is OK with me. I wonder how long it will take him to find out how much Mr. Lee is overcharging him for his 'service' . I wonder if he likes fat guys in boxers?" Too tempting to stay out........... trout season opens soon | ||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1285 Registered: 02-2002 |
I have bought from John (pelican and retainers) and he was really nice on the phone. Got me the case next day which was really cool cause I needed it to take my laptop on a trip that coming weekend and the retainers are starting to bend a little but, have held up well. However, most of the big ticket items I can get here from locals and I like to support the local folks. I don't mind paying extra for good service and people that will stand behind what they sell even if it means huge shipping cost. John L thinks I'm a moron, fat ass, and loser and has called me that on this board before. However, I'm sure that if I called to order some thing from him he would be nice and treat me like a customer. That's the difference. John isn't on this board as a vendor. He is on this board as himself. His personal opinion of you or me probably wouldn't carry over into his business dealing unless you are a total a-hole. I haven't ordered anything from him since so I'm not sure, he might just call me a fat ass and hang up the phone but, I don't think that he would. I'm not taking sides with anyone but, people need to remember that just cause John's a vendor doesn't mean he isn't allowed to have his opinion just like every one else is. Don't get me wrong though, I don't know him other then from here and based on that I don't like him nor does he like me. | ||
| Peter (Pete) New Member Username: Pete Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well now, you aren't calling me a cheap fuck are you? Although I admit it in the "shop around and do research." sense, I don't admit to being anything like Blue's example. Just curious. pwc | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 137 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hmmmm...Maybe I'm not the cheap fuck I thought I was, but I sure am an easy one. | ||
| BW (Bwallace35) Member Username: Bwallace35 Post Number: 48 Registered: 07-2002 |
Why was Kyle's first post insufficient? | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 404 Registered: 04-2002 |
'Cuz this is D-Web damnit, and anything less than a knock-down drag-out internet brawl will not suffice in our pathetic, meaningless lives. Carry on. | ||
| Tom Fioretti (Tom_in_md) New Member Username: Tom_in_md Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2003 |
Can we at least end on a positive note?  | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2002 |
Are you a cheap fuck if you read all the descriptions of products you'd like to have, but then don't buy them at all, from anyone? | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2152 Registered: 02-2002 |
no, you're just an average salivator like the rest of us. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 718 Registered: 02-2002 |
hello, my name is mike and i am a cheap fuck! mike w | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2002 |
Good. I'm glad to know I'm just a salivator and not a cheap fuck! U know us Range Rover Discovery owners that payed $70,000 for our trucks can't be cheap fucks! | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Member Username: Charles Post Number: 172 Registered: 08-2002 |
No that would make you a dumb fuck or a rich fuck. The depreciation hit alone on these trucks are outrageous. | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wow, John (With his VENDOR hat on) treats paying customers terribly if they post an incorrect opinion on a public board. Hmmm. It was D's opinion based on his observations. Reading through the thread, it appears that he doesn't in fact have a Lincoln Locker (welded solid) rear axle. Methinks Mr. Lee likes preemptive belligerence a bit too much. Just my $.02 and... TARGETS UP! | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 410 Registered: 04-2002 |
You can read. D. Chapman apparantly claimed that he bought his Detroit from EE, which appears not to be true...he also claimed that John charged him "much more" than what other vendors are charging, apparantly for a locker that John never sold him. So is it preemptive belligerence...or did John decide to snap back as soon as D. began to drag EE into the mix (because John didn't bring EE in first...). | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2002 |
Now Greg Davis , arent you being just a wee bit hypocrytical ?!?!?! I have seen many of your posts on POR and they are laced with flip offs and "fawks". Is that somehow different because you are trying to fit in ?... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2003 |
Man, all you guys are getting sidetracked. I'm still waiting for the Detroit invoice and the pics of D attacking the rocks. D? You hear from Wal-Mart yet? | ||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 22 Registered: 01-2003 |
he's not waiting for wal-mart, he's trying to figure out how to use photoshop! | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 757 Registered: 04-2002 |
Damn, this was a nice read... I honestly think that John must be one hell of a nice guy, since he speaks the truth and doesn't mind what any "potential" customers he may offend. Kudos to him on that. Anyhow, John.. I'll be calling soon for Powertank shish.. RS | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2002 |
This has been a very entertaining thread. I haven't speant any money at EE. I have met both John and Ho at EE and have had the pleasure of spending a few hours there looking at their products and shop. As actual customers came and went I was impressed by how knowledgable and passionate they (customers and John/Ho)were about their trucks and the modifacations done. I don't know if John and Ho are good at educating or if EE's attitude just attracts the educated. Both John and Ho love what they do there at EE. If they feel the need to toss a couple people out to maintain the passion... then so be it. Life is way too short to deal with jerks all day. I am, however, saving my pennies to spend at EE (I don't wanna get tossed!) | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2002 |
Not biting on that one Greg ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
Did Wal-Mart go belly up or something? Where are D's attack photos? I've given up on the Detroit invoice he claims he has but I still have to see these rockcrawling pics. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 784 Registered: 08-2002 |
No Kyle, I'll bite. Just missed the post. Yes, I guess it is hypocritical. However, on the POR board it's done in jest, with icons, and typically only once (at least in my posts-and you'll notice that I've tapered off recently). It's kind of like having a friend that you call an ass, as you both laugh about the situation, as opposed to walking up to someone and saying "You're an ass for making that comment". But yes, I was hypocritical and should really lead by example. I'll try to work on that. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 602 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL, sure there isn't. You can shop around as you mentioned, read endless Brand X vs Brand Y discussions, get a ton of bullshit from about everywhere, buy something you have a faint suspicion of, install it, find out it ain't what you thought it would, by then you've banged the crap out of what you bought so you can't return it. Relax and enjoy. Or, you can call somebody who's done some research already - from reading and matching spec sheets to his own experience and customers' feedback. And there, I guess, the logic is in demanding the vendor to match some hypothetical price! BTW, the only item that I know of at EE that could be found cheaper elsewhere (by about $10) was Wedco gas cans - but the "other" source dried up two years ago. John, i thought you don't have much of a customer base overlap with Discount Rovers - Nathan seems to be more of a "replacement parts" guy. peter | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 205 Registered: 10-2002 |
Pete.....$59 OME shocks at Discount Rovers vs. $72 OME shocks at EE. Is $13 worth professional advise...I say yes, what about you? | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2140 Registered: 04-2002 |
Sorry John, I've been out of town.... Just stepping in here to ruin this thread for you, have a great day. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2002 |
Personal advise is worth the extra $$$ when you consider the total transaction. If springs are involved in the purchase of the shocks and you have a guy that can show you what the final product will look like after the combination is installed (before you make the buy), than that alone is worth the extra $$$. On a separate note, I purchased a product from John Lee a while back that no sooner than a day after delivery, I received an email from him letting me know where I can purchase the same item for 120.00(+/-) less. This product was a warn winch that I pulled the teeth out of him to get for me (as you may or may not know John is not a big fan of warn). He insisted on taking the item back. However after several emails and a phone call I refused to return the item. The man is stubborn and as a result made it up to me (and still does) in future transactions. The bottom line, in my racing days I used to get fed a ton of crap by several sponsors, each offering a better deal than the last. Despite the majority of the goods were free, the more generous the package, the shitier the season. The negative cost of goods made my engine builders wallet very happy. These days its worth sticking with a guy you can put your trust into. The slimmer the profit margin, the easier it is for the less expensive vendor to send you away in a time of need. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 257 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron, haven't seen you south bound for a while! Am I just late for work or not paying attention? I didn't know you raced, what class? BTW, I think when John's out of stock, his shocks are $59 also | ||
| Leo P. Hallak (Leo_hallak) New Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2003 |
Wow, I am always too late for these things and probably just a rover newbie, but where I do have my experience is with what I purchased from EE. I just flipped through my emails and started counting the ones from EE about 20 so far, with Ho to be exact asking him probabably the same questions he has heard 10,000 times. Never did I have to wait long for a answer, never was he rude and always gave me a full answer so I could make a educated decision. Will I do business with them again that is a definate yes. Do some things cost more probably, but to me the ability to bug someone with questions is worth a hell of a lot. When you drag into question someones business practices and wonder why it pisses them off,I guess its pretty easy to tell you dont own your own business. Thanks for the parts and all the advice EE. I love the lift and the equal. ohh yeah and the DBA rotors and pads. (didnt put on the new SS break lines though) -Leo | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 181 Registered: 03-2002 |
hey carter! wondered where you were in this one! ;) how was the fishing? mike | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
"... have a great day." Same to you Carter, same to you. And D, I see you're posting on the ARB thread, so you're still around. Did Wal-Mart go out of business or something? Where are those rockcrawling attack pics you said (several times) you would post? Was this as big a lie as your claim that you bought your Detroit and "dampner" from EE? | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey Steve, Used to race in what is now the NMRA. At that time the class was pro-street and super street depending on who was inspecting the car at the time. The events are more organized now and the rules have gotten out of hand. So between that and a falling out with my partner I sold off my share of the car and my personal car. Company that I used to work for was sold and all they bought was the internet address and the 800 phone number. Heading northbound now to the Santa Clarita area. No traffic anymore ;-) | ||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 430 Registered: 03-2002 |
Well said. Haven't been online much lately, and I'm late to this thread, but what the hey. ... In regard to John's business practices with EE: Frankly I'm pretty darn grateful and happy for my dealings with John and EE. When it comes to offroading, I am farrrrrr from a pro, (LOL! understatement) but I didn't just "fall off the turnip truck" either. However, when it comes to my DS2, I feel like I not only rolled in on, but flew off "the turnip truck" ... I found a plethora of help, clarification, and information thanks to John and EE. I find that more often than not, it's a rare thing to find a complete combination of quality products, excellent customer service, along with honesty/integrity. No BS, here, or with them. That is worth a lot to me. Our time and resources are limited, and I don't like to squander either. When I say excellent customer service and integrity, John has always gone way above and beyond the extra mile. As attested to above by others, obviously this type of customer service does not extend to just myself. Unlike some vendors out there, John and Ho do a hell of a lot more than slap out cheesy advertisements, take orders, and deliver. They stand behind their products. They're intelligent and competent. They use and test their products - John truly knows their products inside and out (more than many vendors I've come in contact with). As for whatever personal opinions John wants to post on this board or anywhere else, that's his right. One sure thing: You won't find any BS with John or EE. What you see is what you get. That's the way I like it. Okay, carry on everyone ... |
