| Author | Message | ||
     Chris Welch (Asigiam60) New Member Username: Asigiam60 Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
Has anyone seen the CrossLander? www.crosslander4x4.com. The torque looks good, but no automatic and leaf springs in the rear. But it's diesel. Wonder how it does. I may drive up to look at one. Supposed to be less than $20k. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 412 Registered: 09-2002 |
Do a search in the archives. There has been numerous discussions about the Crosslander. | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 761 Registered: 04-2002 |
http://evil16.bizland.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/welcome.gif | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 422 Registered: 04-2002 |
Defender ripoff??? It looks like a cross between a Defender and a Land Cruiser...Defender in front, Land Cruiser in back...coils in front, leaves in back... For less than $20k with a diesel and a manual = finally an affordable off-roader. Let's see if the concept pans out... | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 62 Registered: 01-2003 |
Could also be said to look like a 4-door '67 Bronco. I think Jason's right. Might be fun. | ||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2002 |
It's neither Bronco, nor Defender, nor Landcruiser, nor a cross between any of the aforementioned vehicles. It's just your plain-jane Romanian ARO 4x4. | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 176 Registered: 03-2002 |
with 135 horsepower, i hope it does not weigh more than 2500 pounds... | ||
| Mike Cox (Mike_cox) New Member Username: Mike_cox Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2003 |
I like the snorkel! | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 426 Registered: 04-2002 |
Isn't it a diesel? That should explain the lack of HP. | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 177 Registered: 03-2002 |
yeah...diesel..., but hell, 135hp... | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2002 |
http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/newcars/crosslander/index.shtml Another article about them. I've talked at length with the Hampton, VA dealership, they are now predicting they will get them in early fall. They will also be a regional parts supplier. The trucks are made in Brazil, in combo with ARO. (I think similar to the LR-Santana deal.) He said they have full DOT and emissions approvals, and that they are definitely trying to keep them around $20,000 which would be awesome. I did not talk to him about lifts, lockers, etc. I would think you could fairly easily fab up extended shackles for the rear and spring spacers for the front for a quick and dirty lift. Hyper shackles at the back would be good to have. Locking diffs might be tough to find. When he mails me the brochures, etc. that are due out soon I'll post them on DWeb. If they actually show up, I think I'll go for one. I was really interested in the ARO a few years ago when they were supposed to be sold here, but I don't think that ever got off the ground. I really dislike the trend of American SUVs towards higher tech, more options, more complicated, more comfort, more luxury, etc. Enoch PS Coil fronts and leaf rears seem pretty common in S. America. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1932 Registered: 10-2001 |
HP means nothing in many cases.....torque baby....torque. check out what kind of torque it puts out. over 350 lbs of it. enoch is right on. i hope they do well. i talked in length to some folks at Crosslander in Miami. the diesel is a IH. pretty straight forward. and to get your hands on a dealership is a steal. only about $40K to start one up. initially they will not be selling lots of extras (winch bars, lights, racks, etc) for them. that will come a little later. but you will be able to pick one up for under $20k no problemo. i have all the dealer info on them. (i.e. dealer costs, options, etc) | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2002 |
GP- Did you get that dealer info from their website? I'd like to see it. thanks, Enoch PS- also, HP in a 5 speed gets you a lot more than HP in an auto. They told me they were tweaking the engine to reduce torque slightly and reduce RPMS slightly, to "increase engine longevity", whatever that means. I think what they were saying is that the original trucks are designed, much like series rovers, for lower speed, rougher terrain. Since we drive on the "open road" more often, they need to reduce the cruising speed RPMs. | ||
| Blue (Bluegill) Senior Member Username: Bluegill Post Number: 2159 Registered: 02-2002 |
that's 355 Nm torque, which is about 262 foot pounds (still very respectable) | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2002 |
true...torque is tops, but like you say, hp means nothing in MOST cases...you still gotta get to the trail! ;) | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 591 Registered: 09-2002 |
ARO... Milan gets the kudos  there were a few of them in my homeland. The most outstanding case was when a guy blew his engine without realizing what was happening - it was a broken drill bit left in the block; after a number of thermal cycles, the drill fell out, and leaked whatever was behind. they definitely looked good, but the quality was even worse than Russian 4x4s. About seven years ago, there was one company trying to import them into the U.S., and the est. price was 13k. Now it's up to 20... hope they got their act together! | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1933 Registered: 10-2001 |
enoch. i called there 800 # and talked to some guy from Crosslander. told him i was interested in seeing their dealer info and within a week there was a basic requirements package at my place. if you want i can fax the info to you tomorrow. just email me and let me know if you want me to. i think the power that trucks puts out will be sufficient considering its weight. i mean look at what we are dealing with!! opps...my bad blue. 355 seemed too good. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2002 |
ARO was planning on importing them to the US in '99 but failed. They have since teamed up with Cross Lander Industria e Comercio from Manaus, Brazil. ARO started sending parts to them on a regular basis in May of '02 to begin full production. They plan to import 6,000 of them to the US this year for under $20k each. I am interested in whether that price includes the bumpers, rack, etc. and who will sell aftermarket parts for them. I have e-mailed Crosslander requesting more information and an exact release date but still waiting on a reply. I've been wanting a diesel expedition vehicle and converting a D90 or 110 is out of my price range and really can't legally import them...If I could I would definitely have both easily for under $15k after shipping costs. The fuel economy on the Crosslander is 10 mpg better than my Disco and I am sure it could be modified for added HP BUT increased fuel consumption. I have seen Ford Turbo diesel (F-250,350) engines with an increase of well over 100hp just from a new chip but of course that is a much bigger engine. Most places diesel is cheaper than premium fuel and the insurance would probably be much less. I would just be worried about parts and dependability even though ARO as been making vehicles since 1957. Then again, Harley Davidson has been building engines for 100 years yet it took them that long to get it right since asking Porsche for help. I was told the Crosslander was at the Atlanta Autoshow but I was unable to attend (like the 2nd or 3rd time I haven't gone since '91). I am tempted to get one when they come out but I think I may wait to see how they do first. Neverknow, maybe I'll be able to import a defender by then. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1939 Registered: 10-2001 |
jason. from what i was told at Crosslander and what my information says accessories like the rack, winch bar, lights, etc. will not be offered initially. they are saying they will, but no certain time frame was offered. since the engines are IH and the gearboxes are Eaton parts might not be too hard to come by. hopefully these things turn out to be decent rigs. would not to see a good alternative truck out there among all the queer Xterras and other candy coated SUVs. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 113 Registered: 01-2003 |
I see more chicks driving Xterras than queer folks. Not that anything is wrong with that, but since the demise of the camaro and firebird those women had to buy something to drive. As for queer, I'd say look at the 4runner, that's the "pride" vehicle, at least according to my gay friends and gay sister. It would be nice to be able to buy a vehicle in the US that had approach and departure angles and lack of complication like a wangler or defender. But with 4 doors and a price tag that wouldn't make me afraid to damage it off-road. I would be concerned about build quality. But I put up a rovers shit, and parts aren't run to your local parts store easy like a jeep, so the crosslander may not be that bad. | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2002 |
With nothing really against the gay community, two out of the three Series trucks I've bought have been from gay guys. I was beginning to think Series trucks were the "pride" vehicle! But back to the point... The dealer I talked to said around Sept. for the Crosslander to be here. We'll see. They hint at pick-up and perhaps two door versions, too. But a 92.5 inch wheel base, with four doors will be small enough. I'll bet these are about the size of a Jeep Liberty. I think I've seen the AROs in S. America, but didn't really check them out closely, though. That place is full of cool trucks. Besides Defenders, Cruisers, and series trucks, there are Ladas, ancient Suzuki's (pick-ups, too.), LC Prados and 75 series, Patrols, Mitsubishi Gallopers, some big Korean thing that looked like a cross between an 80 series LC and a newer patrol. I'd never even heard of the make. GP- any word on what the interiors are like? Would love to see vinyl floors. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 596 Registered: 09-2002 |
Enoch, the ones i've seen had rubber mats sliding around on steel floors. nevertheless... with a cornbinder diesel, i'd buy one! peter | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rubber mats on steel? Even better! | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1942 Registered: 10-2001 |
no ideas on the interiors. from the looks of it just cloth seats. steel floors would be best with some nice drain/weep holes. there were two dudes at MAR last year in a D-90 with 'pride' all over the place. it's all about the love. | ||
| Evan Price (The_big_daddy) New Member Username: The_big_daddy Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2003 |
Easy there Garrett and Enoch..... Wait till you see the new rainbow sticker on my series.. Garrett, are you going to have the first Crosslander in the area? | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1944 Registered: 10-2001 |
you bet!! haha. i will have a change of heart and sell my truck and be a Crosslander lover. very doubtful. these things might be dog shit, but they could also be great truck for the $$$. who knows. even if they start selling them next month it will be a few years before anyone in Central PA has one. and i think Enoch's observations of series owners is very true. i mean most of them are 2 doors. just a coincidence? i think not. | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) New Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2002 |
GP, I don't like where you're going with that... | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 1945 Registered: 10-2001 |
you have nothing to worry about. you have a Discovery. and a green one too. and you are married!! just gotta watch Evan. he likes playing 'Sneaky Uncle' at his camp. BTW.....you want that dealer info? or you just going to wait and see it all in person? just email me if you want it faxed. | ||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 280 Registered: 05-2002 |
I talked to the Lady there, She said they will have three authorized dealers in PA, one in Eerie, one in Lebanon, and I forgot the other one... Cheers, Kennith | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1213 Registered: 02-2002 |
Funny, all of the Series owners I know have beautiful womenfolk (myself included-oops, it's her truck...). Peace, Paul |
