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     Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 578 Registered: 09-2002 |
What do you think? http://homepage.mac.com/garyreisman/SCHOG/iMovieTheater34.html | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 579 Registered: 09-2002 |
btw...takes a few min. to load | ||
| Barton Lish (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
The video is the SCHOG Silverado video, the bottom of the page should present 3 versions of it....if you have a fast internet connection, you can use the 26-meg file...it plays as it downloads! The little part about "jeeps, rovers...I don't think so" was thrown in for amusement purposes only. I will tell ya, the video does not do justice to that last hill: the inclinometer was bottomed out at 45-degrees and we even had some tricky areas even in 4-low with the lockers on and traction control...aside from a rubicon, I don't know of too many stock vehicles that could make that climb...open diff's, no way. The G-box might, but it'd need better tires and would likely get hung-up on some of the big obstacles. But guys...just enjoy the music and have fun...in the end we're all just trying to enjoy offroading. | ||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 281 Registered: 05-2002 |
That video rocked! You guys have to enjoy a little ACDC mixed with off pavement driving. Who cares what vehicles are in the video! Cool, man. Cheers, Kennith | ||
| Barton Lish (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian..... ...they liked it, they really really liked it!!! Kennith, your a class act!!!!!! And here I was under the impression that the LR boys were pure unadulterated evil who exploit every opportunity to knock other brands.....but NO, your guys are alright! Thanks for the cool input! | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 2554 Registered: 05-2002 |
Just to be controversial, I will say that this video was an absolute waste of good magnetic storage. I loved the music, but I hardly saw anything that a stock Rover or Jeep with a halfway decent driver could not easily do. Matter of fact, most of the video was showing dirt roads I could do in the wifes' minivan. Barton - if you saw 45 deg. it was only because you have an inclinomitor to beign with. A true wheeler does not need one. Further, the shots of the little ledge were a pure joke. I have nothing against H1's or H2's...except the GM aspect. Still, if you show a video to me that claims to prove a dominance over other vehicles, you better back that up with evidence. The video that was presented was nothing short of a Subaru commercial with better music. Hey - at least I give credit to the music. Curtis | ||
| Alex Moore (Landvagabund) New Member Username: Landvagabund Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
That trails looks like my driveway. | ||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 282 Registered: 05-2002 |
Oh, C'mon Curtis. They were simply having fun. Look at the military, where platoons berate each other all the time, in exactly the same manner. In the end, it's all good, we are all green. Same thing with off roading. Different vehicles for different people, but these different people all enjoy one thing in common, wheeling. It dosen't matter how hard the trail was (and I am not arguing that it was easy, because I wasn't there), if it seems difficult to the driver, it is difficult. Those trails did look a bit on the light side, but the camera angles may have played a few tricks. Heck, if you look at the picture in my gallery of the wonderful love of my life in the rover sitting on a rock, it dosn't look all that bad. Look, however, look at the horizon, and rotate that picture. It's no prodigal rock climbing feat, but it's a pretty nasty climb up that crag anyway. Either way, that thing about Jeeps and Rovers obviously was meant in a humerous manner. They know that the driver is a big part of the vehicle's ability as well, just as we do. Allow them their fun, you don't have to like the video, just let them play and smile along.  I still think the video was cool, and hell, I think we need to do something like that for the net. We have the movies, but why not a short video file, perhaps with a little Zeppelin to spice it up. Keep up the good work guys. Cheers, Kennith | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2142 Registered: 04-2002 |
Scratch the Zeppelin and change it to Voodoo Chile (preferable the Stevie Ray Vaughan version) | ||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 283 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hey, That sounds allright. Cheers, Kennith | ||
| Steve Reisman (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
Curtis, "just to be controversial..." or just to be annoying and ignorant? I mean....seriously...how can you take a fun video that almost everyone loved and break it down to a waste of magnetic storage? The music and lay-out in the beginning, the vehicles driving over the camera...there's plenty of good energy and fun throughout the whole flick...and we only had some lousy video footage and some pics to work with. You're right about one thing...it wasn't really much of a challenging day. We just took to some local mountains and cruised around looking for a better time then a day in the office. Most the trails were in fact fire-roads that almost any vehicle could handle....BUT WE HAD FUN and people enjoyed the video. Ya don't go to Silverado to demonstrate 4x4 capabilities...it was basically a back-yard fun-run, not Moab! One of our guys had an inclinometer and mentioned that the steep climb buried the bubble, I'll be sure to pass on your words that he's not worth a damn as an offroader on account of his having an inclinometer. Pictures and video, on account of being 2-dimensional, often fail to truly convey the depth of what your looking at. That hill was absoultely super-steep in a few sections. I drove a Jeep Cherokee for 12 years and I can absoultely 100% guarantee that there is no way that Cherokee would have made it up that hill. With open differentials, one tire slips and that axle is dead. Along with the stock tires that come on most all SUV's today....I'm telling you straight-out that only a Rucicon would have a shot at making it. What about that rock-climb? No other vehicle has the approach angle the H1 has to get up that. And that ledge....there too a short-wheel-based vehicle would suck-it. I tried it with my H2 and my bumper just wanted to smash into the hillside...and I've got a darn steep approach angle. Maybe someone is so intensely chanting "I hate all other brands" so hard that they can't see or appreciate anything else put in front of them. How the heck are you gonna get up that ledge when your bumper is jammed into the hill??? And even if you did get past that, your rear end (which protrudes generously past your rear axle) would grind itself into the ground....and then you'd high-center if you got past that. I put a lot of effort and editing time into making that....so you'll please excuse me if I'm a bit defensive. In the end..we're all driving 4 wheeled vehicles that really aren't all that much different from eachother. Being that the Sierra club is working to bring our fun to an abrupt end, it would be nice to see some cohesiveness amoungst offroad enthusiast. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2002 |
Why can't we all just get along? I would say don't make fun of the video as "easy" or whatnot unless you were actually there. If you were, then you can say that. And if he wanted to make this video and people enjoy its not a waste of space. Just my thoughts! Marcel | ||
| Steve Reisman (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
Marcel, Thanks. For the record, I did NOT make this video to "prove dominance" or anything like that. As I mentioned, the Jeeps/Rover thing was just an amusing joke, sorta an inside joke (we've got a jeep guy and a rover guy who we banteringly tease). I made the video for club members and to show those who aren't into offroading just what it is that we do! As I told Brian (Brianfriend), I would certainly remove such a thing from future video's that would go public. We try to structure our events where the trails are pretty much novice-easy and without damage so that anybody can come along....then we look for side-excursions, difficult sections and other challenges for more aggressive people. We're just out to have a good time. The video may be temporarily down for awhile. I'll try to get it back up soon.....unless the computer realized such footage was a waste of magnetic storage ; ) | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2002 |
Just let him have his fun. Hey if you don't like it you could make a video and put the word h2 in the place of the word rover if you want to. Just a thought.... | ||
| B-Mc (Mcartist) Member Username: Mcartist Post Number: 83 Registered: 05-2002 |
Nice little video... I liked it (MACs rule) | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 592 Registered: 09-2002 |
I thought it was a good video and of course you can't go wrong with ACDC. As far as the terain goes, the video never even protrayed a difficult trail, it was not meant to. I would probably call it more of a short documentry. I don't think that every photo needs to be extreem wheeling and just for an example anyone can look at the photo gallery on this board and see lots and lots of non-extreem wheeling and a few bling bling photos. This was a much different display than the other h2 video with all the different vehicles and the poser drivers that got everyone into a tizzy. It also turns out that that video was done more as a joke than anything else. Anyway, good job Steve and you are absolutly right all the wheelers need to be on the same side especially since there are so many against us. I do think that the rivalry between the different brands is mostly in good fun, someone else had the analogy that it is kind of like inter-service rivalry in the military and in the end we are all on the same team. | ||
| ed hart (Adifferentedh) Member Username: Adifferentedh Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2002 |
Carter , Stevie Ray over Jimi now you've gone too far . Thems fightin words you h2 lovin good for nothin unedumecated know it all mr smarty pants . Phew I gotta get my nitro pills . I am getting all verklempt . Ed | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2146 Registered: 04-2002 |
Man, I love Jimi to but SRV kicks his ass with Voodoo Chile and Little Wing as well..... If you've never heard them you owe it to yourself to give them a listen. Not that Jimi doens't totally blow him away for other reasons (mostly inovation) but SRV was a much better guitar PLAYER. IMHO. | ||
| ed hart (Adifferentedh) Member Username: Adifferentedh Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2002 |
Nope, I saw SRV play both live and you my friend , are sadly mistaken or full of poop for lack of better terminology ,lol. Ed | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2148 Registered: 04-2002 |
He must have been really stoned that day... LOL | ||
| Steve Reisman (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
Can we get back to bashing the video? Hey you guys...how come the D90 isn't all over the place??? THAT rig looks awesome in all regards!! excuse the ignorance....but who else am I suppose to ask!? | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 2555 Registered: 05-2002 |
Steve, You said: ""just to be controversial..." or just to be annoying and ignorant? I mean....seriously...how can you take a fun video that almost everyone loved and break it down to a waste of magnetic storage?" Actually my intent was to be controversially annoying and ignorant and apparently it worked with you. Please...settle down a bit. Just because you put a lot of sweat into something is no guarantee that everyone is going to love your work. Brian asked what we think and I gave my opinion. Most people would just watch it and not say a word if they thought it was crap. Not me. At least appreciate my honesty here. In giving a more fair critique, I will say that you were off to a good start and ended it well. There was just too much dirt road in-between. Poke fun at other brands, and have fun. Nothing wrong with that at all. No matter what the brand, it is still just four rubber donuts on terra firma. However, you may want to keep in mind next time you are in the PC editing room that action is a good thing. Curtis | ||
| Steve Reisman (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2003 |
Curtis....okay, it's all good There really wasn't much in the way of serious offroad action. That location was local and easy....but it really offered only fire-roads with a few side-excursions...that's all we had to work with!! You also have to understand that most people have no idea what offroading is....the absence of asphalt/pavement just blows their minds. This video sorta helps bridge that gap. It's rather difficult for me to conceive how something that so many felt "rocked" could have such a minimal effect for you...so far as to call it a waste of magnetic storage. Dude....that's way harsh!!! The ironic thing is, and I'm sure you can relate, video and pics are distracting while we're offroading....you sorta live for the moment and only afterward religiously wish you had made more of a documentary effort. The more challenging sections find me completely without video camera and instead looking out for my rig and everybody's well being. Let me ask you an honest question....what if that video featured a bunch of Discovery's, Range Rovers and some D90's? Oh well...I can't appease everyone. You'll not see the "brand comments" next time, and I'll try/strive to get some better shots of more interesting moments. Somehow I'll manage to get the "thumbs-up" from you!! Heck...we all can dream! | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 2556 Registered: 05-2002 |
Steve, "It's rather difficult for me to conceive how something that so many felt "rocked" could have such a minimal effect for you...so far as to call it a waste of magnetic storage. Dude....that's way harsh!!!" You are right. It was a little harsh. However, when Brian posted it, I had no idea that the person producing it would be watching the thread. Nor did I know that it was you who made it. This would not have changed my opinion, but it may have changed the way I expressed it. Sorry if it came through wrong, but it was certainly not mant as a personal attack. As far as the public opinion on the video: I can only tell what I think and it is not influenced by others. If you replaced the Hummers with Discos and bashed Hummers and Jeeps my opinion would still be the same. If it is any consolation, I have shot and edited much worse stuff Curtis | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 123 Registered: 01-2003 |
Funny stuff, if you give crap in a comment like the jeep rover one, especially if it is in jest, you should expect someone to dish the crap back, in particular here on Dweb. Curtis- We should go shot our own video and put on some comment Seriously though, although the snow is falling today, we should try to go wheeling sometime soon. | ||
| Steve Reisman (Barton) New Member Username: Barton Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well...I'll try to make videos that show more action and challenging stuff. The "other-brand" humor will be omitted and we'll just focus on the fun. I thought I made the Jeep/Rover thing pretty clear...it was more inside-club humor then anything else....but I can understand how some would be offended. Given what we had to work with, I still contend it was a great video. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 621 Registered: 09-2002 |
Carter and Kennith, i have a LOT of off-road video footage with Woodoo Chile and Zeppelin on the background OTOH - once I took a bunch of friends for a thrill ride on some dirt roads with a few really steep hills, at night. Had Mozart's 1st symphony for the flute and orchestra playing on stereo - my passengers found that an extra bonus! | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 2557 Registered: 05-2002 |
Andy, I am all over that. I have not wheeled in so long, Steve and the Hummer crowd would probably walk all over me BTW - I had a friend just move up from TX. We looked at a '95 D1 today and he is at LR Centerville having it checked out. I talked him out of a Cherokee. Curtis | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 125 Registered: 01-2003 |
hmmm - can't say I could recommend a 95 D1, my 95 is currentally crapping out. Hope to fix it this weekend and then I'll like it again But after it works again, I'd be into wheeling. How about that place you told me about "little moab"? I might have some lift springs for him if he gets the d1. At least those H2's in that video run, unlike my discovery .. oh well. Andy | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 2558 Registered: 05-2002 |
hehe - well - we are way off topic here, but this D1 is actually lifted 3". It seems pretty nice, but I told him to expect problems. He does not care though. This is a second vehicle for him and not his main driver. e me at curtis@newkirks.net when you get a chance and lets reconnect! Curtis |
