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     Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2002 |
Thought I would give this it's own thread. Interesting source that gets it. A Disinformation Strategy The Moscow Times ^ | 4-3-03 | By Pavel Felgenhauer http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/883174/posts | ||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 289 Registered: 05-2002 |
That's pretty cool, Cheers, Kennith | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 617 Registered: 09-2002 |
this is the original source - http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/04/03/009.html there's another interesting piece: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/04/02/006.html | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 77 Registered: 02-2003 |
"The Art of War" is a tremendous resource for war planners and coaches. It is considered required reading in my coaching circles. Misinformation is something I regularly engage in with my team's abilities. You'd be surprised at the effectiveness. I consider Americas plan to be superb. There is still misinformation, misreporting, and so forth going on. I expect the lights to come on and go off in Baghdad (in different parts of the city) at the will of the SpecOPs teams. We have a large number of regular forces who have trained for urban warfare for many years. Civilian casualties will unfortuantely be high due to coalition and regime fire and tactics. -P | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 457 Registered: 08-2002 |
It amazes me that so many people, in their zeal to "know all", regularly accept what they hear and read in the media as the end-all definitive explanation of the reality around us. Why would anyone in their right mind expect the military planners to "telegraph" their entire "game plan" to the world for the sake of being forthright? It's ludicrous. History will provide us with the only reasonable perspective on what was known at what point and how it influenced the decisions made. History will tell us if this Iraq campaign was a good decision, and it will provide us with the majority of the information used in the decision making process, rather than the conjecture currently being used. The only thing we know for sure today is that the French are not our friends, and cannot be relied on in the future. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 618 Registered: 09-2002 |
Perrone, I don't think one can be really trained for urban warfare. There's some distance between a common sense in watching all your quarters, and shooting in the direction of every faint sound - and this distance is very short. Russians fought germans successively in Stalingrad, but germans were regular soldiers - when they made a decision to give up, they gave up. Russians in Afghanistan and Chechnya faced peaceful peasants greeting them in the daytime, who turned guerillas at night and slayed them. A few friends of mine went to Afghanistan (i would have been there, too - if i went to school one year later!) - none of them came back the same. there is a number of articles on Moscow Times website, some of them just about this matter. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 186 Registered: 02-2002 |
Peronne - " Misinformation is something I regularly engage in with my team's abilities". Mmmmm - I must remember that :-) I also think the plan to be superb. Remember - they said Baghdad would fall from within. I've also read that the Republican Guard can't retreat into the city because the "Special" Republican Guard will kill them. Man, wouldn't want to be the enemy of both the Marines and the Special Republican Guard. Kind of explains why we have met little resistance and the Guard fades away. - Mark | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peter, There are teams of special forces all over the world who train for urban warfare. Many years ago it was thought impossible to properly train for desert warfare. The old motto, "necessity is the mother of invention" seems proper to invoke here. I was VERY surprised to see that Poland has a special force trained to deal with chemical weapons. I know that some of the SEAL teams are trained for CQB for insurgence, hostage rescue, and counter-terrorist activity. Isreal, Germany, and the Brits have similarly trained units. I don't think it's impossible to train for Urban Warfare but the facts remain. Lots of people, combatants and civilians, soldiers and civilians will be killed. However, it honestly feel that there will be a concerted effort by specops to try to find and kill any number of senior officials before a major ground assault. We will not see this on CNN, and those dead (soldiers) will not be reported for some time. | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
Peter, It is funny how the media begins to look at urban warfare and begins to scream high casualty counts. Look at Somalia. The official body count was 50 to 1; the Red Cross said 150 to 1. Also that was with out armor and the Ranger in the sky, (specter C130 gun ship). Those of us that know better know what the real count was. The Rangers, D-Boys, and SEALs, have training that is well beyond what I think you are giving them credit for. Do not get me wrong it will not be a clean op if we go in, but it will be better than most people are giving the possible situation. Mark, Nice find on the article. My wife would keep asking, “How can they run out of food”? All I could do was laugh. I would than tell her that the MRE’s are only 6000 calories per meal. Lack of food is part of training, and do not believe every thing that you get from the media until there is an accurate historical look at this entire operation. As much as some people cannot stand the embedded reporters, those reporters could wind up being one of our biggest assets in the misinformation campaign. Stacey | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 79 Registered: 02-2003 |
The military has used the embedded media BRILLIANTLY. They unwittingly become spokespeople for the defense department. Anytime the real fighting starts, they move them back where they can't see a lot. And if anyone believes the Defense Depts. line that Iraqi officials cut off the lights in Baghdad while the information minister was in the middle of a propoganda interview with Al-Jazeera, they've got a screw loose! An insurgence force got into the grid system and shut it down. Probably with a laptop. I suppose making the lights flash on and off all around the city would have just been too cute... -P | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 190 Registered: 02-2002 |
More disinformation or reality? The chess game continues. Retired Russian Generals running Iraqi Command and Control WABC radio : Batchelor Alexander Loftus | April 8, 2003 | WABC Batchelor Alexander Loftus http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/888586/posts |
