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Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Username: Scrover

Post Number: 270
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Is it me, or is this guy insane?

http://catalog.roversnorth.com/wwwboard/messrr3/99395.html
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Username: Thediscoho

Post Number: 119
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

oh shit. LOL



---------- Ho Chung
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Username: Kyle

Post Number: 204
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Well , for starters I dont think he is insane. I think he is trying to overstate his knowledge and ability. When he does that he contradicts himself. Hillarious for sure , but I dunno about insane. He talks about engineering and welding and shit but is driving a stock Disco in his "eXtreeeeme" lifestyle. Then he aint smart enough to know a tire size that will or will not fit his truck and obviously has not studied a damn thing.
The phrase I amthinking is "Dumb ass" yeah , thats it. Another god damned dumb ass..

Kyle
"Blow me"
 

Ron L (Ronl)
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

something is not right there.
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Username: Scrover

Post Number: 271
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"My wife and I are sports extremists to the limit that we decided not to have children because they would not benefit from our risk taking."

It least he made the right choice there. Dumb ass for sure.

 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Username: Carter

Post Number: 2215
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Interesting, I wonder how much of it is just total bull shit.....
 

Alyssa Brown (Alyssa)
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Username: Alyssa

Post Number: 67
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That is scary. Even if he gets his rig properly outfitted, I still wouldn't want to meet him on the trails. The driver is always the best mod, and it doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing. He should invest in some off-road driver training first.
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Username: Kyle

Post Number: 206
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve , your last post is the most accurate thing I have ever seen posted here. Maybe he aint so dumb after all. Atleast he knows not to bring more into the world.

Kyle
"Blow me"
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Username: Carter

Post Number: 2216
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

http://catalog.roversnorth.com/wwwboard/messrr3/99416.html

...So he calls up, asks for "the best 4x4 tire and lift" right???

He then aparantly forgets to order the lift components or something and is bitching that the tires won't fit????

Sounds like he got what he asked for in the way of tires. What a dumb ass, I think he needs to sawzall the hell out of the thing and then use some of those mad welding skills to held some large pieces of metal from the frame to the axles to get rid of that pesky 'flex' stuff that causes rubbing, that should have him all fixed up.

Ho, can you tell us if this guy actually did buy from you or is he just full of shit??? Because this really borders on being unbelievable.
 

Gil Stevens (Gil)
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Username: Gil

Post Number: 246
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"I contacted a company called expedition exchange and was looking for tires to fit on the stock rims and they sold me the military michelin xlt's and they showed up at our door these huge mothers, we said only "oh my god no wonder they were $1,100.00 !!"

can this be for real?? this guy spent 1100 bucks on tires that he has no idea what size they are, or if they will fit a stock disco?? that post is so ridiculous that I almost have to think that its somebodies attempt at humor??
 

Ron L (Ronl)
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

xlt? do they make an xlt?
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Username: Scrover

Post Number: 272
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

that's blasphemy. You should have to pass a test to buy XZLs :-)
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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Username: Pmatusov

Post Number: 656
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

that must be the finest joke ever.
 

Jason Bard (Jbard)
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Post Number: 113
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I wonder if this nutbag is friends with the yellow H2 guy. Obviously didn't do his research or couldn't find anyone to pay to do it for him.

I just dropped some coin with EE today to lift my DII before Uwharrie and had a very enlightening conversation with John Lee. I even called back a second time for some advice and based on that advice he recommended I NOT buy something because he felt I didn't need it! That's uncommon these days.

So just based on my dealings today, what I can say is that you guys at EE are very helpful on tech stuff when needed and are pretty fucking honest by not selling someone something they don't need. Kudos!

My .02
 

Chu Y. Son (Cyson)
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Username: Cyson

Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

yeah, I'm still trying to get some 9.00s out of them...


 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 29
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL. This guy. If you have already formed an opinion about this guy, reserve judgment until you read further down. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Below is the story behind this guy. It's long. Some of what follows is actually pretty funny, so it's actually worth the read.

Here's some background. On 02/21/03, this guy calls us up and tells me he wants to order some Michelin XZL 9.00's for his racing team. He starts by saying he's interested in 20 tires to outfit his racing team's trucks. I tell him the XZL's are expensive at $200 a pop and $4,000 is a lot to spend on tires. He counters with a boast about how tires are a disposable item to his team because they are so well financed. Then I tell him if he wants 20 XZL's, he can certainly have them. I ask him how he wants to pay. Then he backs off and says that he wants to start off with a test fit with four tires only and if the four tires fit well then he'll be buying 20 more for his other race trucks. I think to myself "yeah, whatever" but don't say anything. I take his order for four tires and ship them out. I don't think anything of the transaction thereafter.



Then, on March 16, 2003 5:42 AM, I get this in my mailbox:

"Hey Johnlee,
I'm having trouble with the tires. The max height was to not exceed 33, I think these are the wrong ones or I am measuring wrong. We are trying to put these on the 95 Discovery and right now are having trouble with height. Did you tell me you have these on your truck?? Do you know what kits are available to lift the disco with correct springs etc. I have the rs5000 shocks for front and rear but the tire seems too tall and we want to do this without chopping out the doors and body to fit. It's ok to do the body lift and lift 3" without much cutting but man what a problem. Do you have other Landrover Discoveries that equipped themselves with this tire ?? This is a problem for us and everything here has come to a screetching halt since the day after receipt. We love the tires but we are not sure what to do. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!!"



I read this and I'm thinking, "What the fuck? Discovery? This guy told me he was putting the XZL's on a race truck. Who the hell would try to fit 37" tires on stocker Disco1?



On March 17, 2003 12:01 PM, I reply:

"John,

The XZL's are listed on our website as being 36.5" tall, which they are.

I have the XZL's on my truck, but I have the 8.25 R16 size.

You can fit the 9.00's on a Disco, but you have to lift it a lot, as well as lengthen the radius arms and trailing arms."



So, on March 20, 2003 3:51 AM, he replies:

"Now John we have a problem,

I explained what we are doing with the creation of the offroad team and that we needed to get the pilot vehicle launched as quick as we could. We talked about thee tires and you indicated tat they would work with this year disco and so I said great and ordered four with the speculation that the other three disco's will need these and of course the 2 spares for each vehicle, right? remember this conversation ?? O.K. I am NOT willing to :

Lengthen the radious arms
lengthen the drive shafts and add new UJ hardware
chop the wheel wells
lift 5" to 6" on a top heavy tank
Change the steering to length
swap the pitman arms
widen the wheel base to fix the height issue.( maybe swap the 4by hardware from factory? no way cannot do)
Swap the alloy rims for steel beadlock ? yea right.

John, driveshaft vibrations would be severe after 35" and the vehicle would not function well at all.

So here we are, I paid 200.00 for each tire, 150.00 for shipping on truck line, and 7.2% in Cal Statew sales tax. So rounded,
I PAID ABOUT !,200.00 FOR TIRES WE CANNOT USE ??????? I DON'T THINK SO JOHN.

Because I know you are like me, a professional who will make this good, right JOHN ????

We can lift, chop, pitman swap, spring and shock up to 35" according to our engineer and machinist fellows. John we were straightforward in what we are doing in that we are creating the only North American LR Disco offroad team to challenge the Jeep circuts, Rock Crawlers, and in a year or two be at the 500 and 1000 mile offroader levels. We are not getting off very good. I need the right tires up here as soon as possible John. Or I need to talk to whoever is in charge. This letter meets the Cal State return 14 rule so we all understand eachother. Plus I protected my sponsor money by using my platinum MC. Help me here, I trusted your judgement to supply me with the correct tires at great expense to me and now embarrasment so I am hoping you respond as quickly as you can with an expected arrival date for the four correct sized tires and that truck can take the four incorrect sizes you guys sent back to you.

O.K. buddy the ball is in your court."



Then, on March 20, 2003 8:27 AM, I reply:

John,

First of all, calm down. I don't like the tone of your email at all.

Your memory seems to be foggy. First of all, you never explained this was for a Disco. You just said it was for some project truck. I didn't even known [sic] you were in the Land Rover scene. You didn't trust my judgment as you now claim. You just ordered the tires and that's it.

Second, the size of the 9.00 R16's is clearly listed on our site as 36.5" tall. If you thought the 36" tires would fit and they don't, that's your mistake. Not ours. And don't try to mesmerize us with talk about your engineers and such. I can tell from your email that you don't know anything about trucks, i.e., tire size has absolutely nothing to do with driveline vibrations.

We'll gladly take the tires back if you return the tires to us in unused condition. However, he [sic] freight out charge is nonrefundable.

Was your last email really unnecessary? All you could have said was 'John, these tires are too big and we want to return them. How do I go about it?'"



Then, on March 20, 2003 4:33 PM, he replies:

"John,
I didn't expect that sort of email from you. I thought I have been a professional since I called there and talked to you. My memory ?? John, I am a mensa, a complicated person with an unusually high I.Q. , this is not the first time someone has misunderstood me. Sorry for my complexity, however, I called there specifically looking for a solution and everyone I talk to about the team get's the same canned story. As far as my offroad knowledge ? Well I am sitting here looking at three sponsor checks, 15 years experience from delaware to North Carolina, Virginia, etc, etc. I have many challenge overall wins, press coverage and a portfolio. I am not trying to bragg just get the task at hand completed. Buy tires from you that will fit the truck. We are willing and had planned on chopping the fenders a bit , lifting the body a small amt and flaring if we have to. I have analyzed this project for the past three years John and know the Disco inside and out. I know absolutly nothing about tires and never expect to want to know anything. I am the horsepower, torque and drivetrain guy. To me the most important stuff is under the hood and in the torque ? correct ? I look to you for the expertise in what is RTHE BEST TIRE for our needs and the xzl seemed to have the beef of a swamper yet a lot stronger and narrow enough to be an overall good solution. My thinking was and still is that i8f I am not knowledgeable in a subject then I hire an expert to find the best solution and trust their judgement. You know like my machinist and his (engineer) father who have been in business here in Novato California for over 35 years. They build racr cars for the local tracks in petaluma, Rohnert Park and work on some of the Sears Point cars when they roll into town, these guys are old school yes but know all under the hood with regard to stress and tolerances.

As far as the vibration in the drive shaft ? You better look around at places like the DiscoWeb, etc. cause if you get at 35" you have front vibration after 40 - 45 and it can be very severe at times. This was from folks who already did the lift to 35 and to get there they needed to do the things I listed prior.

I was looking for some service and yes sir I feel that I have been sold the wrong size that's all. I didn't even touch these tires, yet. The tires are sitting in the corner of outr shop with fender covers on them sincve the day that the truck driver and I put them there. So C'mon let's do this again and get it right, ok so if I was thye one who fucked up how so ? I ALWAYS take blame for my errors and a lot of times take blame for others so that the task at hand can be accomplished.

I specifically remember our conversation because I am so ignorant about the tires. When I inquired you looked up the size and I told you about the Rancho Suspension change that would put us 2" up on the factory height. Why should I be out 150 bucks for your size recommendation ? I will gladly pay it if you can justify the decision.

In conclusion I am only looking for a solution to my problem and that is I can't lift the Disco over 35" and be balanced with the top heavy rig. That is the main issue, the other is we would have to chew the body apart and get new shafts etc etc etc. We know the steering and pitman and wheel wells will not work at 35" but have accepted the work we have to do to get there.

Of course I have an Engineer and Machinist, hey do you think LandRover would be helpful with this project ??? ha ha ha right they have answers(if they do they will not share them with this custom work).

So sorry , thanks, and how do we get the correct size tires here so I can stop looking so stupid about rubber. Hey want to sponsor us ? we will put rour company name on the windsheild for two comps at 750.00 bucks and costs.

I look forward to your response,

Mr. humble pie eater"



Then, on March 20, 2003 5:59 PM, I reply:

"As I said before, if the tires are truly in unused condition, we will gladly take them back and write you a check. We will not return shipping, as we shipped exactly what you ordered. There was never any recommendation for fitting on a Disco1. Had you asked (which you never did), I would have told you the 9.00's are huge tires and require a tremendous amount of lift, cutting, and tweaking to fit. That's why our Michelin product page ends with photos of Ho test fitting the 9.00's to his very non-stock Disco, and the caption reads, 'Dream on, Ho. Dream on.' Furthermore, the 36.5" size is clearly listed on our website and the tires are described as extremely large.

No, we're not interested in sponsoring your truck. It sounds as if you have money rolling in already, so you should be fine. And no, we're not interested in giving you recommendations on how you should set up Disco that you claim will put Jeeps to shame. We leave that to your 15 years of experience and your team of able engineers.

Again, all your posturing was unnecessary. All you had to say was 'John, the 9.00's are too big and I want to return them' and we would gladly take them back and refund your money."



Then, on March 20, 2003 11:20 PM, he responds with:

"John,

This is your professional response ? I would never inquire about anything other than what your expertise should be. Is it your decision to make as to the level of advertisement your organization makes ? According to the email threads you are the final decision maker. I ask you a question (remember me the quick paying customer with the bottomless money pit pockets) You know I don't need to posture to you I am just buying some tires from the tire guy, that's you. I want to buy tires you say ok I say the vehicle and the rise limit you say you know what tire I need and I pay. Let's do that again, correctly ok ? Hey hello out there I am giving my money for tires so YOU can PROFIT who want's my money?? So what your upset with me because I am a 42 year old high tech retired guy with nothing netter to do than spend his money in this economy ?? You know I really don't care about you or your emotional issues, I want to buy the tires that fit the Disco 95 v8i and they cannot stand higher than 35". Man it is hard to give you money, most folks love to take my money. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say I am sorry you are having a bad day but I am having to spend my day writing emails about tires. I will gladly continue to write the email but my billable rate is 150.00 per hr for software engineering OR writing emails so I will send a bill if we continue this email writing task.

I am getting a little irritated with this so I am going to let you think long and hard before your next response. I urge you to only provide me with what you offer for sale and I would not qualify you as a professional offroad racer or competator so I would not hire you for that. However, When you buy an item which you feel is the best product on the market do you not ask questions of the person or company who sells and represents the product ?? I do , i do ask and ask and ask competators and manufacturers and magazine editors and any other source I can find before making my decision. I am sorry, you know maybe you are the wrong person to talk to and I should have known that. You will never get ahead professionally unless you openly admit and correct your mystakes and this goes for all parts of your life. I will most likely meet you John, did you know that ? I am scheduled for a trip next month to a company very close to your location, let's hope we can iron this out right now so life is better for both of us. I am giving you the opportunity to sell me tires and you tello me to return your product and your company will write me a check ??? Well, I am not in the business of throwing funds to the wind John and we absolutly will get to the bottom of this nonsense.

Anyway, who is the expert with the xlt tire who can tell me which tire to order from you ? Who is the executive manager of sales ?

Thanks john, remember to take your time before you respond."



The next morning, on March 21, 2003 8:51 AM, I reply:

"Dear Genius,

If you're going to be in Los Angeles soon, then that is a perfect time for you to return the XZL's you bought in unused condition. We'll gladly take them back if they are in unused condition and will gladly write you a check.

For someone who claims that his time is so valuable, you seem to have a lot of time to write nonsensical emails.

And for advice on which tire to buy, as I said before, rely on your decades of high tech experience and your army of engineers. You won't get any tire advice from us."



The last I heard from him was his message on Friday, March 21, 2003 8:29 PM, which was:

"fuck you , i can'twait to see your face when my 5'11" frame stands before you.; After researching you and yer buddy, i find it's just punk brat kids with a garage.

OH OH I MAM SO SOLLY I MUST HAVE WUNG DA WONG NUMBAH SO SORRY SO SORRY.

i CAN'T WAT TO GET MY SATISFACTION YOU LITTLE FUCKING BRAT PUNK!!!! YOU SHOULD BE MORE CAREFUL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS ON OTHER END OF EMAIL GODDAM LITTLE COCKSUCKER. MY PALS DOWN THERE ARE DYING TO MEET YOU TOO THEY ESPECIALLY LIKE TO FUCK ASAIN WOMEN TOO , KNOW OF ANY CUTE ONES ? HMMM WE WILL THINK OF SOMETHING , I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THEM. YOU GUYS WILL HAVE A GREAT TIME , SAY HI TO MY COUSIN RITCHIE HE "LOVES" GOOD LOOKING ASIAN MEN LIKE YOU AND YOU WILL APPRECIATE HIS 285LB RESPECT FOR YOUR JUDGEMENT.

OH MAN YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE FUN. HOPE YOU LIKE HARLEY DAVIDSONS HA HA HA I MEAN RIDING ON THE BACK.

SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ? MAYBE WE CAN GO OUT FOR SOME BEERS OR FUCKING SUSHI YOU LITTLE SPOILED BRAT PRICK.

GOOD LUCK MOTHERFUCKER, I CAN'T WAIT TO TALK TRUCK WITH YOU. OH BY THE WAY SAY HI TO THE BETTER BUSINESS COMMISIONS INVESTIGATOR I TALKED TO TODAY. HE IS ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING YOU AFTER READING OUR EMAILS. :-)>

AND I HAVE JUST BEGUN, RETIREMENT IS A BLAST!!"



Well, that's it. Still no visit from him or his cousin Ritchie and nothing from the "Better Business Comisions". That email was the last I had heard of him until his cry for help on RN board about his failed head gasket and how to fit the XZL's.





 

Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
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Username: Kennith

Post Number: 319
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Holy shit!

What a loon.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Jason Bard (Jbard)
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Username: Jbard

Post Number: 114
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Holy fuck. What an arrogant racist pig.

Rock on John...., and thanks again for your help today.

Jason
 

Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
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Username: Koby

Post Number: 310
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That is the a response someone with "an unusually high IQ" comes up with?



Talk about contradiction:

quote:

I called there specifically looking for a solution and everyone I talk to about the team get's the same canned story.



That's the Mensa way to go about finding a specific solution... give everyone a generic story... :-) Did he figure that out himself or did he need some of his Mensa buddies for help? Perhaps it wasn't fellow Mensa members, but his engineer and machinist fellows.

Here's another good one:

quote:

O.K. I am NOT willing to... chop the wheel wells



Then 12.5 hours later:

quote:

We are willing and had planned on chopping the fenders a bit



What an asshole.
 

Ron L (Ronl)
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Username: Ronl

Post Number: 20
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

knows about enigines but blows a gasket....

knows about drivetrain and insists the tires make the vibes...

I do KNOW that ANY sponsor who promotes this kind of behavior WILL DROP their REPRESENTATIVE faster than they can stop payment on the check.

Who is he visiting? Edelbrock? Vic Jr. will have a blast reading this.

Ron L
Sub contracted by Edelbrock to feild test their original 302/351 Aluminum heads.

What a dumbass
 

Neil Flanagan (Electriceel)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

John,

I'm interested in fitting XZL's to my wife's Audi Allroad. Do they make a 9.00R17? I would need 4 and can charge it on my Diners Club card.
 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 30
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Well Neil, you just told me more than that guy did on the phone. He told me it was for his racing trucks and that's it. Who the hell am I to question the judgment of a guy who owns several racing trucks?

 

M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
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Post Number: 739
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Dude, what a whack! sounds like the retirement was forced upon him for missing too many med treatments. the bad thing is he's proberly the kinda of nut that would show up.
mike w
 

Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
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Username: Koby

Post Number: 311
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


quote:

Mensa has three stated purposes: to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity, to encourage research in the nature, characteristics and uses of intelligence, and to promote stimulating intellectual and social opportunities for its members.




He's failed two of the three stated purposes of Mensa. LOL
 

Nathan Cooper (Cooper)
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Post Number: 40
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Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

One might think that while learning the Disco inside and out over three years, he would have spent maybe a day or two learning about tire sizes, and what would or would not work. Furthermore, if this team is for real, how could it be that Mr. Mensa and his ENTIRE "team" have not discussed, hands down the one thing that keeps them rolling over the trail\track\whatthefuckever.
I could go on, but the thread says volumes on its own.
 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

These are my favorite MENSAisms from this genius:

"I am NOT willing to . . . swap the pitman arms"

"driveshaft vibrations would be severe after 35" and the vehicle would not function well at all."

"we were straightforward in what we are doing in that we are creating the only North American LR Disco offroad team to challenge the Jeep circuts, Rock Crawlers, and in a year or two be at the 500 and 1000 mile offroader levels."

"This letter meets the Cal State return 14 rule so we all understand eachother."

"I am a mensa, a complicated person with an unusually high I.Q. , this is not the first time someone has misunderstood me. Sorry for my complexity"

"fuck you , i can'twait to see your face when my 5'11" frame stands before you."

For all of his bullshit and stupidity, he did manage to scrape up something good:

"OH I MAM SO SOLLY I MUST HAVE WUNG DA WONG NUMBAH"


 

Ron Brown (Ron)
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Post Number: 235
Registered: 04-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I could make them fit, what is his email.

People with more money than sense are my favorite type of people.

You guys see that volvo station wagon that ran dakar, anything is possible is you have the money :-)

Ron

 

Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
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Username: Chrisvonc

Post Number: 1065
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

This is a great example of our societies trend of blaming someone else for ones own stupidity.

"Hi, I want this specific tire for my race trucks but please, use your powers of ESP to realize that I really don't mean race truck, but really mean showroom stock Discovery, but since you are most likely NOT an extra from the movie "Scanners" and truly don't have powers of ESP, I will threaten to turn you into the BBB in an attempt to mask my own stupidity while continuing to throw incredible amounts of completely unrelated bullshit all over to further the smoke screen that I am a phony assclown."

It also has the taint of the "customer is always right" mentality expecting the vendor to take it in the ass for his stupitidy.

Good for you EE! Rage Against The Morons!

CVC
 

Greg (Gparrish)
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Post Number: 1199
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

All he would really need is about $3k of parts from John at RTE and he could get those tires on. Maybe a hack saw to the fenders.

I've seen Ron's tool box in action though, he would probably get them on with a set of channel locks and a 5 lbs sledge hammer. :-)
 

Chris von Czoernig (Chrisvonc)
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Post Number: 1066
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Oh BTW, I almost forgot, John Lee, I am sending you my latest order via long distance Vulcan mind-mell. Please make sure each item meets my stringent requirements which I will tell you more about, in depth, AFTER you ship my order and let it sit in my garage for a month.

Thank you.

CVC
 

Greg (Gparrish)
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Post Number: 1200
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Chris, I MAM SO SOLLY U MUST HAVE WUNG DA WONG NUMBAH with your vulcan mind-mell cause I just got your order down here in Ga. :-)
 

Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
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Username: Koby

Post Number: 312
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Man, screw the tires, how about the Mensan who buys ignorantly, without regard for the consequences, and without the spine to just accept his mistake?

 

Ron Brown (Ron)
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Username: Ron

Post Number: 236
Registered: 04-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"he would probably get them on with a set of channel locks and a 5 lbs sledge hammer."

What are the channel locks for again?

Ron
 

Greg (Gparrish)
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Username: Gparrish

Post Number: 1201
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL........

I think they were pick up the small pieces of sharp debris left by the work with the sledge. :-)

You know, so you don't cut yourself.
 

Robert Sublett (Rubisco98)
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Username: Rubisco98

Post Number: 794
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"I am a mensa, a complicated person with an unusually high I.Q. , this is not the first time someone has misunderstood me. Sorry for my complexity" ...... this has to be my new personal reply to any kind of nonsense question.. fu$%ing hilarious!!
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Username: Scrover

Post Number: 273
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

see, I told you he was insane :-)
 

Carter Simcoe (Carter)
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Username: Carter

Post Number: 2220
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

ROTFLMAO. Thanks for sharing that John, this guy is one of those rare people who really is dumber than dirt. My favorite part is where he threatens to bill you for the emails he is writing, truly classic.
 

Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
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Username: Kennith

Post Number: 320
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Honestly,

I have a little experience with mentally ill people. (ok I know what's comeing)

If you were to show those e-mails to a psychologist or other mental health professional, they would immediatly reccomend treatment for that indevidual.

I know almost everyone on this board is armed and capable of defending themselves, but if I were a businessowner recieving an e-mail like that I'd probably report it. If only to cover my ass when I kick his.

Seriously, John, that guy fits the bill. He may stub his toe three years from now and drive down, follow you home and shoot you in your sleep just because he remembers you pissed him off. It's happened in a similar manner before.

Cheers,

Kennith

"after researching you and your buddy"
 

Neal Glessner (Nealg)
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Username: Nealg

Post Number: 616
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

John,

I think that Kennith's warning is a little string but...

I had to deal with a nut-case bull-shiter like this years ago when I worked for a national staffing company called Aerotek. Eventually, he got really out of hand since he had nothing to do other than sit around and stew over how much he hated our company. The lesson that I eventually learned was to just stop all communication with him completely. It seamed that anything that we said, no matter how pure the intention, just drove the guy into deeper insanity. I laughed a lot about it in the beginning but eventually things really got out of hand and it wasted a lot of our time and money.

You biggest fear, (other than personal harm) is if this guy starts bashing you by posting a webpage or by defaming you on discussion boards. If that happens, I can tell you about some actions that we took that involved letters from attorneys to various ISP's that hosted the defaming content.

If you do communicate with him, you may want to stay off the phone so you can document his threats. You probably could peruse a restraining order but that will probably only piss him off more. This thread will probably set him off big time if he ever reads it.

On the other hand, you could just encourage him to try to harm you so you can shoot his ass!

 

Neil Flanagan (Electriceel)
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Username: Electriceel

Post Number: 73
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I don't think John has anything to worry about. From reading the emails, the guy reminds me of Dr. Gonzo in Fear and Loathing Las Vegas. Right about now he is probably waking up in his bathtub with grapefruit in his hair and Jefferson Starship playing in the background.
 

Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster)
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Username: Dan_armbruster

Post Number: 49
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

This guy definitely has a problem. It's scary to know that people like this guy do exist. What a racist dick! He obviously has no clue about disco's whatsoever. I think the guys at EE should run him over with their rovers when he shows up to "kick your asses"
 

Neal Glessner (Nealg)
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Username: Nealg

Post Number: 618
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Neil,

Huh? I guess since I didn't see that movie explains why I have no clue what you mean.
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Username: Scrover

Post Number: 275
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I think you're right Neil, he's probably strapping on the lizard tail as we speak.


 

Neil Flanagan (Electriceel)
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Username: Electriceel

Post Number: 74
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"As your attorney, I advise you to take a hit from the small brown bottle in my shaving kit..."
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Username: Scrover

Post Number: 276
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Jesus... what kind of monster client have you picked up this time? There's only one source for this stuff -- the adrenaline gland from a living human body!"

I love Google :-)

http://cosmo.slique.net/~vikrum/mirrored/texts/scripts/fear_and_loathing_in_las_ vegas-script.html
 

Ron L (Ronl)
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Username: Ronl

Post Number: 21
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve...

....See what you have to look forward to?
 

Ron L (Ronl)
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Username: Ronl

Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

John,

Just a thought, maybe you could do a feature page on your site. Dress it up the way you do your products. I see it now, you could compare it to the current developements in Iraq.

 

michael burt (Mikeyb)
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Username: Mikeyb

Post Number: 192
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

great line...: "my 5'11'' frame"...

WOW! 5'11? really?

i bet you are blessed with rugged neutral looks, too.

 

Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor)
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Username: Nosivad_bor

Post Number: 224
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

am a mensa, a complicated person with an unusually high I.Q. , this is not the first time someone has
misunderstood me. Sorry for my complexity"

This shit is awesome. I wish i could fake this shit and type crazy emails like this guy.

the way he speaks or types it is way out there, kind of like christepher walken , but originally from spaion and does not quite have 100% grasp of the english language.

it reminds me of the book "letters from a nut" where this guy writes places asking for insane opportunities

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=2TSXTYRG2Z&pw b=1&ean=9780380973545
 

Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4)
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Username: Rover4x4

Post Number: 129
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

those are fighting words I imagine you could take him to court and get some kind of damages. Man that guy really is a basket case.
 

Jess Alvarez (Jester)
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Username: Jester

Post Number: 141
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Oh my GOD that is friggin funny. I have been laughing so hard reading his nonsensical emails. What a whackjob.

Bet he plays a mean game of chinball too.

'I ALWAYS take blame for my errors and a lot of times take blame for others so that the task at hand can be accomplished.'

BWAHHHHAHAHAHAHAH!
 

Brendan Kearns (Howboucha)
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Username: Howboucha

Post Number: 44
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

This is the greatest thing I have heard (read) all day! John, I hate to see you having to deal with this guy, but I thank you for posting it. The entertainment value is tremendous.

I too have delt (word?) with people like this guy. Two disgruntleds once, both seperate incidents. I cannot share details, but it still bothers me to think about those incidents. I hope the crazy loon doesn't do anything.

Brendan
95 Disco with 44"s and stock fenders
 

Shawn McKenzie (Shawn)
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Username: Shawn

Post Number: 62
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

He probably figured if he started the conversation with reality, he'd get screwed on price.

Personally I like the "I have several race trucks to outfit" line. Surely that would get him a 40% discount? Don't forget he's a retired 42 year old Mensa IT professional.

Maybe I'll try that sometime. BWAAAA HAAAAA
 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 34
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Chris,

My mind to your mind. My thoughts to your thoughts. We hear and obey.

Your six Michelin XZL 9.00's and six Michelin XZL 8.25's with the appropriate amounts of Equal, four LTR05 shocks for the D90, four LTR04 shocks for the Disco, four Hella 4000 HID Motorsports and Clear Covers (two to replace the IPF 900's on the Disco and to replace the Hella 3000's on the D90), two Hella HID Motorsports Backup Lamps, four Optima Yellow Tops, six Pelican 1650's (each complete with Lid Organizers and Padded Dividers), four Pelican 1400's (yellow, orange, black, and silver, all with foam), Luminox 3001 for you and Luminox 7001 for Lisa, two Engel 45's with Transit Slide Locks and Transit Bags, SureFire C2 CombatLight & Spares Carrier filled with batteries, Benchmade 710S with Blue Box for you, and a Benchmade Prestigedges Kitchen Cutlery set for Lisa are all shipping today, via UPS Next Day Air A.M. Saturday Delivery service. If you want to track your order, your UPS.com tracking number is .....

We also mind melded with the credit card company and they are on board as well.

:-)

 

Greg Hirst (Gregh)
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Username: Gregh

Post Number: 141
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 02:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That has to be one of the most hilarious threads I've read on D-web! You made my week!

(Just in case, keep that CCW handy-Oh right, you're in LA county-LOL :-))

GregH
 

Bill Ross (Billr)
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Username: Billr

Post Number: 42
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I don't know if anybody else noticed, but this guy claims to be a "computer software executive" and "retired at 42"; but did you noticed he can't spell and/or type. Of course, after being in the IT business for 23 years and being far from my retirement age of 103, I've noticed that these "computer software executives" are always the dumb asses of the organization anyway.
 

Chris Browne (Chris_browne)
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Username: Chris_browne

Post Number: 57
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hey John....if he does this for the first truck I wonder what he is going to do for the remainder of his race team........

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.....
 

John Hamblin (Jhmover)
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Username: Jhmover

Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Interesting to know I'm not the only one who gets nutcase customers. Too funny, but I'm glad it's not my customer, EE has my sympathy. I bet the dude's about 4'6" tall and has a 8th grade education. In his case MENSA stands for Moronic Exeptionally Nitwitted Stupid Ass.

 

Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco)
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Username: Adtoolco

Post Number: 173
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I never knew that machinists were so coveted. I wonder if people I know refer to me in the same manner?

"You know like my machinist and his (engineer) father who have been in business here in Novato California for over 35 years."

I get wakjob dreamers like this guy coming into my shop every so often. I usually look over their skribbled "blueprints" and calmly tell them what its going to cost. They usually just smile and hightail it out faster than they came in. Its real funny sometimes.

-Chris

 

Yaroslav (Andr6761)
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Username: Andr6761

Post Number: 31
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

this is so great, whats this guys's e-mail???
 

Bill Howell (Billh13)
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Username: Billh13

Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I just want to see his "only North American LR Disco, offroad Jeep circuting, Rock Crawling, and in a year or two be at the 500 and 1000 mile offroading" truck. Man, that will be great to see a truck that you throw it in low and it will rock crawl up the side of a mountain. Then slam it in high and it will run 120mph with a stock 3.9 for a 1000 miles in the desert!!! Man that will kick ass. Say what you want about this guy, he really is a genius.
 

Yaroslav (Andr6761)
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Username: Andr6761

Post Number: 33
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

right...
 

Usoff Tsao (Usoff_tsao)
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Username: Usoff_tsao

Post Number: 23
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"OH MAN YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE FUN. HOPE YOU LIKE HARLEY DAVIDSONS HA HA HA I MEAN RIDING ON THE BACK. "

HOLY SHIT the little racist weasle bastard, tell him to ride his harley up here to Canada
there would be a nice CCRA reception for him

"i can'twait to see your face when my 5'11" frame stands before you"
I can't wait to see his teeth meet a standard issue retractable baton
 

Joseph Bilyk (Denverrover)
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Username: Denverrover

Post Number: 40
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Wait, you can't fit 36's on a stock Disco?? Screw it, I'm buying a Pathfinder.
 

Bruce Potier (Bruce_flrc)
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Username: Bruce_flrc

Post Number: 23
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Q: What is the difference between an educated person,
an intellectual and a Mensan?
A: The educated person wears a T-shirt that says
"E=MC2" on it; the intellectual's T-shirt says
"Rik=H(Tix-1/2gikT)" (Einstein's General Theory of
Relativity); the Mensan wears a T-shirt that says
"Einstein had problems with his relatives."
 

Blake Monchilovich (Azblake)
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Username: Azblake

Post Number: 49
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"mensa" means stupid or dense in Spanish
 

M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
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Username: Lrover94

Post Number: 744
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

i wonder why his brainship hasn't posted here!

mike w
 

Erik Olson (Jon)
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Username: Jon

Post Number: 367
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

If anything, the EE website contains so much information on each product that I'm sometimes exhausted after checking out an item.

Watch your back John, that guy gets really scary in the end.

Cheers,

e

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