| Author | Message | ||
     Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 216 Registered: 10-2002 |
Some of the rover folks in our midst are really starting to make me wonder... have a look at this: http://www.discoweb.org/ics/DCP_2583.jpg is that some kind of psycho buffet?! and what about these two: http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/(8)tactical.jpg http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/(26)covert%20command.jpg what on earth do they need that for?! and I hope I don't run into this individual: http://www.discoweb.org/ics/DCP_2603.jpg and the most dangerous one of all!: http://www.discoweb.org/marcin/IMG_1673.jpg what kind of a hand cannon is THAT?! these people make me sick. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 210 Registered: 11-2002 |
What is wrong with guns? I think it is good people enjoy their guns, hey they are fun, just as long as no one is hurt while you are having fun. Marcel | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2217 Registered: 04-2002 |
Wait untill you 'discover' your first meth lab and you'll wish you had all those guns and then some.... | ||
| Will Bobbitt (Rkores) Member Username: Rkores Post Number: 250 Registered: 09-2002 |
Good job trying to spark a controversy Jack  Some of those guns are obveously yours...Haha, I am surpised the other two didn't catch it. Will | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 378 Registered: 12-2002 |
Uh guys..... some are Jack's pics. I loved the hand cannon, nice gun! S- | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2218 Registered: 04-2002 |
huh?? I caught it. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2002 |
now I'm really worried! http://www.expeditionexchange.com/truckhaven2/DSC01491.jpg and watch out polish girl!: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/truckhaven2/101-0108_IMG.JPG http://www.expeditionexchange.com/truckhaven2/101-0109_IMG.JPG these american chicks pack a lot more than .177!!! well maybe not this one: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/corva2003/DSC02835.jpg oh wait, i found the source of this warmongering and gun lust: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/action/index.htm it's a sad world where people have to rely on trucks and guns to make themselves feel cool. for shame. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
I saw your pics Jack, and I think they are very revealing. http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/(8)tactical.jpg What is this shit? Is that a condom on that long-slide Glock? And is that an actual blood groove on that dagger? Oooooh. And that John "You Not Expendable" Rambo First Blood Phrobis is another classic. The word "poseur" comes immediately to mind. If you're going to show off what you got, the least you can do is show off something decent. http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/(26)covert%20command.jpg And is that is a SOG knife there next to your Lethal Weapon 92? LOL. http://www.discoweb.org/marcin/IMG_1673.jpg And what kind of hand cannon is that? It's a CO2-powered pellet gun. Look closely. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, you remain, as always, my idol. I know I'll never be as cool as you. I'm just a padwan learner and you are a member of the jedi counsel. but i did know it was a crossman pellet gun. that was supposed to be a joke to knowledgeable types like yourself. that's why I wrote: and watch out polish girl!: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/truckhaven2/101-0108_IMG.JPG http://www.expeditionexchange.com/truckhaven2/101-0109_IMG.JPG these american chicks pack a lot more than .177!!! and the only thing that's mine in those pictures is the Martin Riggs/John McLane special. I'm no Hans Gruber like yourself. Why you gotta be so mean? We both like rovers and guns right? So what if we eat different foods for breakfast! I am a little suprised you haven't made fun of this picture yet: http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/(13)top%20DXer.jpg I'm using a yaesu vx-5R! dork city! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jack, You little cheesedick. Go back and read this thread and then figure out who started the ax grinding. Do some introspection and see who has the chip on his shoulder before you go around making accusations against others. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, No axe grinding here. This was all supposed to be in good fun. Didn't mean to offend anyone, including yourself. Sorry if I did. I took that "tactical" pic on the trip just to post it here because I thought you (personally) would get a kick out of it. Sort of a friendly gesture after earlier "unpleasantness". I regret that it didn't come across the way I intended. | ||
| Mike Haun (Redrx7) New Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
I am not worried about the people... I am worried about my two dogs! http://www.twentyb.com/images/gun/baddog.jpg They busta' cap in yo ass! They have enough ammo to last them for a while... http://www.twentyb.com/images/gun/pile.jpg | ||
| Lawrence Tilly (L_tilly) Member Username: L_tilly Post Number: 134 Registered: 02-2002 |
A poodle with a gun? Obviously not full-breed French. ;-) -Lawrence | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1411 Registered: 02-2002 |
I like this pic the best: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/truckhaven2/101-0108_IMG.JPG | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 41 Registered: 09-2002 |
The Marine in me feels compelled to point out the only thing wrong with this picture: http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/(8)tactical.jpg Is that the safety on the Berretta is not on, thus violating a firearms saftey rule... Of course that's why I like Glocks, the best safety is the shooters finger I have to agree with Paul, any blonde with an AK has to be given due recognition | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2002 |
Lester, You must be a marine from 1911 days. Berettas don't have a safety, only a decocker. Mike, I just warned my lab never to mess with your dawgs. She's more the 20 bore side by side type and can't match their fire power. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 492 Registered: 07-2002 |
I am a little scared of some of the pics of the girls - not that girls and guns don't mix, just that someone should teach them how to shoot, or at least how to look like they know what they are doing before posting the photo on the net! I need an assault rifle - those are sweet. All I have is a measly Beretta 380 and a bolt action 308. And my Beretta does have a safety if you consider that the decock also activates a hammer block in front of the pin and disengages the trigger and the slide. Tripple protection in one switch. And even if it is cocked with safety off and one in the chamber, it wont fire without a mag. Did you catch the story about Sean Pen's car getting stollen with a loaded 9mm and a 38 spec. in it yesterday? ...nough said about the peace/anti-gun libs, it only goes one way for them. If you are special enough, rich enough, and important enough, you can own a gun. But if your not on their side then the Constitution doesn't apply to you. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2003 |
Lester: "The safety lies between the ears, not on the weapon." --Jeff Cooper Mr. Bailey: "Any gun will do, if YOU will do." --Front Sight Motto | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 494 Registered: 07-2002 |
True, but I'm just looking for some more fun! | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 335 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmmmm... Guns-n-Rovers Welcome to the Jungle? | ||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) New Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2002 |
Check out this video. http://www.ibistek.com/video2.html Takes a little while to load. I wonder if this could be done to my 2000 Disco II. | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 42 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jack- Functionally a decocker or not, I have never heard a Marine refer to the Beretta's mechanism as anything other than a safety-although I readily admit that I prefer the 1911 over the 92F in any situation where a handgun is employed-all of which in my book are about 750 yards to close. I've found that most females just hold weapons awkwardly-the only one my wife really had problems with was the M249 SAW, which just scared her (for no good reason, the SAW is a blast to shoot), and the M203-which kicked her ass. They're still fun to look at, and when coupled with Rovers it incorporates three of my favorite things in life. regards to all not at work at 0600 on a Sat! Ray | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1421 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Ray, Besides the shootin the XM-218 (.50 cal) out of my helo, my other favorite was the SAW. Man that thing could eat through some 5.56! Do the Marines still shoot the MK60? That was another fun weapon. But then again, cleaning was no fun. Paul | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 43 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul, Do you mean the M60 (7.62mm light machine gun), if so the answer is no-we've switched over the the M240G, which is like the 7.62 brother of the SAW. Personal preference is the M240G for shooting of T&E, plus it has a great rate of fire. Proponents of the M60 like the ability to handle that weapon in the assault b/c of the foregrip (still commonly used by SEALs) If you meant the MK19 (40mm automatic grenade launcher) that is still in the inventory and is a blast to shoot, although isn't too fun to clean. The SAW gets a bad rap by some but as long as you don't shoot blanks out of it and stick with good long bursts that weapon is outstanding and can be devestating-although ammo consumption is a significant factor b/c even 5.56 can get heavy if you haul enough. How's J-ville? We're coming to Emerald Isle in June, I think the wife wants to take the Rover-we'll have to link up. Do you live over by New River? I can't wait to get PCS'd back down there (now that is something I never thought I would say) I miss the fleet! | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1422 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Ray, Yeah I meant the 60 and I remember the grip. Damn a SAW that shoots 7.62! Sweet. It wont stop raining down here. I think we got around 5 inches this week alone. Other than that, Things are well. Jville is exploding with housing developments. I don't live by NR, but over on the backside of NorthWoods. As it gets close to June, let me know; we'll hook up for a beverage. Paul '00 Pig | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmmm... A wife who shoots minimi/SAW and 40mm grenade launcher (M203)! You must have extreme eye discipline at the beach with all those bikini's around! | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2002 |
Uggghhhhh ... the SAW, how I hate thee, let me count the ways. A fine weapon out in the open, but when you have to hump it through triple-canopy jungle, it catches on everything. Pain in the butt during night manuevers, also .... they need to make tge little plastic ammo boxes a little narrower so that the belt won't slide back and forth making a bunch of noise. It may be fun to shoot, but it's a pain in the ass to hump. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2028 Registered: 02-2002 |
The older 60's weren't like that, it was the M60E3 revision that lightened it a bit and added the forward pistol grip. The 240's heavier, but a better gun, IMHO. The 249 I always liked... only problem, though, was that using M16 magazines in it, it'd shave off the ends of the magazines, and do nasty things when that happened... if you'd just stick with belted ammo, no probs.... I also liked it better once we reworked the barrels so that they had the folding handles instead of the fixed-position ones... -L | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2002 |
Leslie, I think that's why, by the TM, the box-magazine is for Emergency purposes only. Still tested it out, though, and while I never saw it shave off the end of a magazine, we did find that it would either misfeed, or, the bolt would slam home on an empty chamber over 2-3 rounds. Seems the problem was actually with the magazines. The springs in some of the magazines didn't have enough pressure to push the ammo out as fast as the 249 wanted it. The last time I took it to the range, we tried it with several different makes of magazines, of which, the Colt magazines seemed to perform better. At least that was on a full magazine ... as it emptied, the misfeed/empty problem would show back up. | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2003 |
Todd, The answer is the para saw. The stock has some mods. In carry form it is close to the size of a m4. Also for movements a small starter pouch for ammo to return fire and then go to the drum. Some units get better toys. Stacey Stacey | ||
| Jens Störmer (Jenzz) New Member Username: Jenzz Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2002 |
You guys will sure like that clip: http://zone4u.017x.com/videos/biggun.mpeg | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 224 Registered: 10-2002 |
I carried the SAW on a few FTXs and found it VERY handy compared to the 60 or 240. On the other hand it isn't light and your noise and cover discipline deteriorates a lot faster after a few miles compared to the wand-like M16A2. Trying to use a 30rd box magazine was a complete liability and only for emergencies. Did anyone else have problems with the SAW "running away"? I always wore the heavy black leather gloves so that I could tear off the belt if I had to. That thing just didn't want to stop going. Another thing: those cloth sacks that the plastic belt boxes come in are a total joke, particularly if you wear them as designed. Those boxes jump off of you the minute you start to run. You're better off putting them in your cargo pockets and bashing your knees if you don't have a proper ammo pouch. | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 45 Registered: 09-2002 |
Stacey- You have to remember we're all Marines and never get the cool stuff. I had M40A1 sniper rifles in my platoon that had been rebarreled three times, their serial numbers were from the original batch of 40's that went to Vietnam with the wood stocks! Todd has a good point, that drum did make a lot of noise unless you stuffed something in it to keep the belt from shifting around. I never had to hump it in triple canopy but I can see that it would suck-of course most things would suck there. As far as running away I only had that happen when the weapon had put several hundred rounds through it without a cleaning, I've done some live-fires where that happend b/c I was on the third or fourth drum and she was really hot and had a ton of carbon built up. I've actually seen that a lot with the 240G-mainly b/c when we'd set it up on the tripod and provide sustained fire it wasn't unusual to have 5 or more 200 round boxes. That video clip is hilarious, I never get tired of watching that jackass. | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ray, Why the difference? Seriously, does it have to do with budget or procurement? Ranger Battalion had the para saw almost ten years ago. You could actually do some CQB with it. I never wanted to carry the 240G, NO THANK YOU. Stacey | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm sorry, but even with the para-stock on it (which the Marines don't have, at least to my knowledge) that thing has enough protrusions on it to catch every vine or tree branch in a fifty yard radius. Never saw a big runaway problem, but, I never actually got to put enough rounds down range with it to probably see it. Unfortunatly, being my TO weapon, it seemed that everytime we went to tha range everybody else got to fire it more than me. I just got to clean the damn thing. I will say that we had a couple of shit barrels that we used for blanks that we got glowing red a couple of times and still had no runaway problems. As tot the 240g's, although they were heavy mothers, IMOH, from what I saw at the range, they were a hell of an improvement over the 60e3! That being said, I never had to hump one, though .... all of my companies wer vehicle mounted by TO. Don't get me wrong ... the SAW is I fine weapon, I just have some personal greiance after having carried the thing through the jungle and had the unfortunate luck to have landed on the charging handle after walking off a clif (on night land nav). -Todd | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 47 Registered: 09-2002 |
Stacey- I think its an institutional aversion to change, for example, despite the utility of the M4 over the M16A2 (or A3) for urban environments, ease of handling in helicopters/AAVs/Ship passageways, etc when they decided to see what service rifle we were going to go to next we stuck with the same old M16. Now I know the automatic reaction from the riflemen here is going to be to point out the lack of accuracy at range with an M4-which isn't quite true when you couple the M4 with optics (not to mention that is why you have snipers and designated marksmen-how often does the average grunt take a shot at 500yards?) Seriously though, the Marine Corps spent $1000 per indiv set of Molle gear (which sucked) but didn't want to cough up the funds for a new rifle b/c of the procurement process and an institutional aversion to anything that might be "high speed" Just the personal opinion from someone who constantly fought to aquire the gear that was readily available in other services. Todd seems to think of the M249 the same way I feel about the M82A1 Barrett. | ||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ray, I think the Barrett's got the SAW beat on weight, though. My favorite that the Corps just pulled is the new uniforms. They spent all the money on ECWCS, Molle, LBV's, heck even the bivy covers for the sleeping bags, which are all woodland camo, and then change the camo pattern on the uniforms! No sense, whatsoever. Of course, they're making the individual Marines pay for the uniform change, so I guess that makes it okay. Todd | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 48 Registered: 09-2002 |
Todd- The Barrett definitly has the SAW on weight, it's almost laughable when you see some young sniper say he's going to "patrol" with it. Its better off broken down and split up, and then put back together when needed. The digital cammies are an interesting debate. There are some significant positives to the new uniforms: they are cheaper-the commandant cut out the Defense Logistics Agency, which remarkably cut the cost significantly, and now we buy directly from the manufacturer so we end up saving about $40 on a set over the old woodlands. The integration of the uniforms is supposed to be over time, so the young enlisted Marines are supposed to take their annual uniform allowance (which usually goes toward beer) and use that for their new digital cammies. Now we all know that isn't going to happen, but at least their was a reasonable approach to forcing aquisition. The anti-pressing nature of these cammies, while driving 1st Sgt's crazy, is very nice-almost as nice as flight suits as far as pajama like comfort. Not to mention the brown boots (no more shoe polish) The most important thing in the positive, in my opinion, is we finally have a pattern that works as camoflauge. I'm not going to dispute the downsides you pointed out, god knows how long we'll have mix-and-match gear, especially the really expensive gore-tex items and interceptor flak jackets, etc... What can you do, every service chief wants to leave a mark-this one is going to be a mark for a long time. Can any of you Army guys lend truth to the rumor that the rangers tried Molle, told everyone it sucked and didn't buy it? That's what we heard about five months after they issued it to us, my plt's ended up stacked in my garage and we took mountain rucks on float. later Ray | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ray, You dang Jar Head. Please capitalize Rangers,LOL :-) It has been a long time for me and I do not know. While I was there the Medics were getting some stuff to try out, not the line dogs. This could have changed. Stacey | ||
| Lester Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 49 Registered: 09-2002 |
Stacey- My apologies, I probably should show the Rangers the respect they deserve-most of the ones I have known have been crazy but decent guys. My docs really liked the Molle kit for corpsmen, it was that "ergonomic" pack they forced on us that was a crew served device that most people hated. The frame was indestructible plastic that bent into your body with a heavy load, the Molle I was a ball & socket design incoporated into the LBE-which was totally asinine, not to mention the entire thing was too wide to go through the bush, much less ships. Anyway that's my thoughts on that. How's Tuscon anyway, I loved Ft. Huachuca while I was there and keep pressing my wife to do the cross country trip back down there one summer. SE AZ is amazing, but she just doesn't get the high desert for some reason. r- Ray | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ray, Just playing the whole service thing, no need to apoligize. This is home. God love it. It has been the best winter in a while we actually had some rain! My wife and I are moving to the south by the Santa Rita Mtn's in a month to leave the traffic behind. A 10 minute drive will get us to the quail or headed up Madera Canyon out of the heat and on our way to Patagonia. Give your wife time she will come around. Come in October, (best evenings for the patio). Or March/April insto-spring. I love the summers myself for the Monsoon thunder-storms. Stacey |
