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     Karl C. (Eurocarnut) New Member Username: Eurocarnut Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well, it looks like CDL will make a return this summer in a special edition G4 model in Tangiers orange. Looks like a great truck. Too bad I just purchased my Porsche Cayenne. I asked my Rover dealer if this was coming out and he told me he knew nothing about it as of 3 weeks ago. If only he would have told me the truth, I might have waited for it before making a decision. www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_page_431.htm Karl | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2285 Registered: 04-2002 |
Wait, you actually bought a Cayenne and actually intend to take it offroad?? | ||||||
| Karl C. (Eurocarnut) New Member Username: Eurocarnut Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
Got rid of a Jeep Wrangler and Mercedes S-Class and intend for the Cayenne to replace both. Already have located A/T tires that will work. So to answer your question: You betcha! | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2286 Registered: 04-2002 |
wow, well let us know how it goes. | ||||||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) New Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2003 |
Our LR dealer is also does Porsche and Merc and Jag. and I took a look at the Cayennes. I will say they are nice looking cars. Base sticker on the ones I saw was 60k though and the Turbo was like 98k. Seems its more like a fast suv not offroad. but thats just my opinion. -leo | ||||||
| Karl C. (Eurocarnut) New Member Username: Eurocarnut Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
All Cayennes come standard with low gear and center differential locks. It you opt for the air suspension and off road package, you actually get some skid plates, 11" of clearence that will allow you to ford through 23" of water, and locking front AND rear differentials. All this in a vehicle that will top 155mph, handles curves like a 911, and has room for the whole family. Now if BFG would only make and A/T or M/T in 18"........ One can only dream. By the way, $60k is still $13k less than the new Range Rover, and I'm sure there will be guys in the RR offroading it. | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea saw a turbo today it blasted pretty damn good for sure....but no way would I take it wheeling. looks like it would be a awsome ski car. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 225 Registered: 11-2002 |
Karl how do you like it? My mother wants to get one, which i say is stupid but I wouldn't mind driving it! Which one did you get the S or the Turbo? I think it would fit nicely with the g500 and the defender we will be getting.  Marcel | ||||||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 92 Registered: 01-2003 |
I have not seen anything on the CDL or the G4, other than what has been posted here. I looked all through our internal LR website for the press release, and saw nothing. The dealerships do NOT know about that car, so I don't think your salesperson was lying to you. | ||||||
| Camille (Gwagenbabe) Member Username: Gwagenbabe Post Number: 118 Registered: 05-2002 |
BFG Does make the AT in an 18" rim. I think they may even have the MT out by now... Camille | ||||||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 254 Registered: 02-2002 |
i saw the "G4 disco" yesterday at the NYC auto show. cool looking I guess. Visually the only differences were the interior and big 'ol roof bars. The one at the auto show didnt have a CDL, at least not on the shift knob or placard thing. Supposedly the production ones will. That was the first id heard of it. the G4 freelander was there also. | ||||||
| Will Roeder (Will_roeder) Senior Member Username: Will_roeder Post Number: 626 Registered: 02-2002 |
BFG has a 35x12.50x18 BFG MT....a friend of mine put them on his new Dodge Ram...but i doubt you want 35"s on your Porsche..... | ||||||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 515 Registered: 08-2002 |
Save the money from the Cayenne and buy the VW Tourareg...Essentially the same chassis etc as the Porche Cayenne, with a more reasonable motor and pricetag. Car & Driver did a comparo with it including a 2003 D2 and 6 other SUVs and the Tourareg won it all hands down, including off-road. I was shocked. Now I know that is it C & D and not an off-road magazine, but there is value to be culled from the comparo: http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2003/january/0301_co mparo_bradsher.xml This was another with the Disco, MDX, X5, ML320, and the QX4: http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2000/December/200012 _comparisontest_designerutes.xml This one is the Jeep Liberty vs the Freelander: http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2002/january/200201_ comparo_canyoncubs.xml The review of the Cayenne: http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/previews/2002/november/200211_previe w_porsche_cayenne.xml?keywords=cayenne | ||||||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 96 Registered: 01-2003 |
Little crazy on the C&D website today, Randy? Yeah, the Touareg is supposed to be awesome. I wouldn't want to pay that much for a VW, though. Interesting they didn't do it as an Audi. | ||||||
| Mike Carino (Mikec) Member Username: Mikec Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2002 |
Don't forget Alyssa that Audi already has the Allroad. Mike | ||||||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2003 |
But isn't it really different than the touareg? | ||||||
| Karl C. (Eurocarnut) New Member Username: Eurocarnut Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
Gumarcel: I really like the Cayenne a lot. I have had it for about a month now and have put 1700 miles on it. It just begs to be driven. I have the S, and the neat thing is that you can tool around town like a normal vehicle, but when you need the power or find a winding road, you can really get on it and you feel like you are in a sports car. It's amazing how much modern engineering and technology can blur the laws of physics. Rans: The Touareg does seem like a neat car, and I know it did well on the Car & Driver test. Using your logic then, the Cayenne must be a great vehicle, as it is essentially the same as the Touareg in offroad prowess. The difference between the two is really on road driving. The Cayenne has 340hp and weighs less than the Touareg V8. It also has handling that is tweeked by Porsche. If money is not an issue, then I think that the Cayenne is a far superior version of the Touareg. However, the thought of a G4 Disco with CDL is still very intriguing. I had one of the first 94's Discos when they came out, and I took it to our ranch and went everywhere with it. The CDL did come in handy a couple of times. Also, I know the BFG's come in 18", but the 35" tire would not come close to working. The dealer recommends Pirelli Scorpion A/T's in size 236/R60 which measures at 29.5", which is just a little bigger than the 255/R55 stock tires. I'd need about a 6" lift for those 35"s. | ||||||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 182 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rans, did you read the 1st article? Here's a couple of quotes: "When we managed to slide briefly off the trail in the Volvo XC90 in the rain-swept outback of southern Ohio, which of the other stalwarts in the test was called to the rescue? The Discovery, of course. Its plucky reputation and its full-time two-speed transfer case, live axles, excellent downhill assist, and hydraulically controlled anti-roll bars fore and aft, plus industrial-strength towing hooks, made it the obvious selection against the remaining six for such hard-knuckle rescue work." "So in the boondocks, the Disco earned high marks, but it's in the real world of pavement and parking lots that it gives way to its peers." Why were you shocked? Did you expect the Disco to be a better on road car? Even Car & Driver knows which one is a better off-road vehicle. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2292 Registered: 04-2002 |
I wonder what 'industrial strenghth towing hooks' they are talking about | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 178 Registered: 01-2003 |
Get some pictures of the Cayenne off road and post them. I checked one out at my Audi/Porshe dealer last time our audi was in for service, nice truck, but I have issues with Porshe making a truck, I guess I'm one of those purist wienies. As for the VW, audi's allroad is more competion to the Volvo cross country than an suv. I heard that there maybe an Audi version of the Tourag/Cayenne to be priced between the two. My wife and I looked at a allroad and I thought it was silly, just get a A-6 avant if you want a wagon or use my discovery if you want to go offroad. But I think the Subaru outback and the cross country for Volvo are silly anyway. | ||||||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 100 Registered: 02-2003 |
Carter, I can test those "industrial strength towing hooks" for them, if you know what I mean. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 231 Registered: 11-2002 |
Andy the cross counrty isn't silly, it is a great car. I have one and it seems like a perfect wagon, i think the only other better wagon like the cross country would be the all-road, which is also and awsome staion wagon! Marcel | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2002 |
Karl I am trying to convince my mother she should buy one in a few years...since I want to drive it, since my dad doesn't want her to get a 911. So yea post some pictures so we can see it in action! Marcel | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 179 Registered: 01-2003 |
We got the Avant, yes they are nice wagons, but I think outback/allroads/cross country are more for looks than for offroad. I just don't like that people buy things to look like something than actually doing it. Sorry but that's my opinion. If I buy a car I want the lower CG that it is suppose to have. Long travel suspension and higher ground clearence won't help it handle like a car, just a car trying to be a truck. I can bet that my avant can go anywhere a cross country can go. But if I go offroad give me one of those disco's with the industrial recovery points. That C&D quote is funny, the only vehicle I am aware of coming with real recovery points is the H2, even the rubicon has these hook things I would be scared to winch on. Not sure about the g-wagon. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 233 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes that is true, but we got it because of the AWD and because it had a color we wanted that we could not get in any of the other volvos. How do you like your avant by the way I have a friend who is looking into getting one... Marcel | ||||||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 139 Registered: 03-2002 |
"When we managed to slide briefly off the trail in the Volvo XC90 in the rain-swept outback of southern Ohio......" Maybe a result of only 5% power going to the rear wheels in normal circumstances???? "rain-swept outback" I'm scared | ||||||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 516 Registered: 08-2002 |
Karl, I agree, the Cayenne is going to be all-around better, but the cost man! Alyssa, our other 2 vehicles that are not Rovers are VWs.....have far fewer problems with them, but no cheaper to repair when we do. Mike, I did read it, when it first came out some months ago. And yes I'm still shocked because I still think the Disco is better and has really taken an unfair knock in the comparos. But I realize it's a car magazine not a 4x4 magazine...but they knock us too! | ||||||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2003 |
../27/22335.html"#333333"> | Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 180 Registered: 01-2003 |
Marcel We love our Avant, my wife and I have no kids but 2 65lbs dogs. We wanted a car to drive on long trips so storage was a must. We use the rover for offroad trips and camping, but we wanted something better on gas and still good in snow. It is our ski vehicle. Fun to drive and I think better than my disco in snow and rain. Our friends thought we were odd buying a wagon, I think they thought we were ready for the old folks home, but once you drive it you forget its a wagon and think its a sedan. We didn't care what people think and besides, as we get 30 mpg driving to Grand Targee with two dogs, tele and alpine ski gear for two, with room for my engle, we laugh at the people telling us we should have bought the sedan. Funny thing is its a 2001 and it has a locking center diff, okay it electronic and only when the traction control tells it to under 8 mph, but still even a 2001 LR can't do that. We have had no problems with it, (knock on wood) and the audi service 4 year 50 mile free has been top notch. We bought it the beginning of 2002, it was an Audi cerified preowned 2001 with like 5800 miles on it. We have been very happy with it, but it seems to be like the rover, it is a car that needs it's maintenence or you'll end up with trouble down the line. I used to have a 86 Audi 4000 cs quattro, I sold it with 230k on the clock and was running fine. But it was a cream puff when I got it and I maintained it right. I have seen other ones that fall apart with hardly any miles. That's why we bought this one, a lease return to the original dealer who had all the records and preformed all the maintenence. | ||||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) New Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'll second Andy on all the good things to say about Audi. I drive a '99 A4 Avant as well as my Discovery. I live at 6000 feet and commute into the valley below almost every day (like living in Colorado and commuting to Southern California.) The Audi's fast and fun around town, but pulls like crazy in the snow. After 66k miles, the worst trouble I've had was a defective wheel bearing - other than that, just odd electrical problems here and there. And the car cost less than some Subarus, which were the only other AWD cars available when I bought this one. One thing to keep in mind, though, and that's that the Avant goes through tires really quickly; according to the service rep at the dealer, the Quattro cars wear out the edges of their tires fast for some reason. I'm on my fourth set. And handling gets creepy (the rear swings out pretty easily) when the tread's all gone on the outside! |
