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     Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2002 |
Article in car connection today on 2005 Disco: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5956 Rumored Peugeot engine 2.7 V6, wow, engine's going to surrender on its first off-road outting. | ||||||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 517 Registered: 08-2002 |
We don't need no stinking French Engine!!! Also rumored possible jaguar V8... | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2298 Registered: 04-2002 |
../27/21131.html"#444444"> | Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2002 |
Oops sorry, didn't see that previous post, I'm always a day late and a dollar short. | ||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2299 Registered: 04-2002 |
its all good, I even saved you the 'welcome to last week' pic this time LOL  | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 708 Registered: 09-2002 |
come on Carter....post the pic. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if those headlights will fit in my D1... | ||||||
| Nick A. (Nick) New Member Username: Nick Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
FWIW I heard from a LR sales rep that the engine will be the modular Ford V-8,sure beats the antique POS engine that is in these things now. | ||||||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peugeot engine is a diesel, developed with peugeot because Fords diesel experience is so pathetic but will be build in Dagenham, Essex, a former Ford Car plant. | ||||||
| Narinder Pal (Narinder) New Member Username: Narinder Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
 here is a pic..i like my 97 disco better | ||||||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 226 Registered: 03-2002 |
is it just me or do I see a hint of IFS right inside the vehicle's left wheel? | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002 |
Disco is dead.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 53 Registered: 04-2003 |
dead and decomposing | ||||||
| Yaroslav (Andr6761) New Member Username: Andr6761 Post Number: 35 Registered: 07-2002 |
wow what a piece of shit... | ||||||
| Kirk Thibault (Kirkt) Member Username: Kirkt Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle - with that pronouncement, it's like deja vu all over again. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2003 |
Share explorer bits? Thats scarey. By the way how could you improve off road handling as claimed with Monocoque construction and independant suspension front and rear as rumoured - this I have to see | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 240 Registered: 11-2002 |
well what is there definition of off-road, a gravel road, yes it could be smoother, thats about it... Marcel | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2002 |
Body on frame W/independant suspension. Cheers, Kennith | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Better start stocking up on parts boys - This new Disco is for trips to the shopping mall only, by the looks of it. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 110 Registered: 09-2002 |
Y'know for the most part you guys are right on the money but the fact that you are trashing the Disco with no idea what is under it, on it or around it is pretty pathetic. "What a piece of shit" ?? where does that come from??? you have no real idea what it can do or anything of the like yet you call it a piece of shit?? is this because its new?? so by that assumption I guess any vehicle that comes out in 2005 is a piece of shit as well... hell the new RR is a piece of shit too, right....Not trying to start a flame war here, just saying you shouldnt talk out of your ass when you have no idea what is going on...as for the IFS, well, you have no idea what is being planned and I doubt you were involved with the engineering so wait until it has been put through some test before you trash it. BTW-- went out off roading with a 2003 RR two weeks ago, RR stock and my Disco1 with full OME susp, skids and sliders, guess what the RR went up hills, over obstacles and through water that I can only dream of, but I guess thats probably because its such a piece of shit.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 111 Registered: 09-2002 |
and in my humble opinion I think the new style, from what I can see looks pretty good, the roofline especially seems to be a good idea to eliminate wind noise, but oh wait, Im talking out of my ass now because there is no offical word on this and no one has actually seen one...just your dealer talking out of his....well, you know... | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 247 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey, it's like this. IFS in the disco like the range rover is a compromise. not in just offroad ability but trialside repair and things of that nature. true, the new 2005 disco might be built to high standards electrons all work no odd starting issues and shit like that. but in regards to the complexity, it will be a POS. we all deal with the headaches of the land rovers because of their rugged design and thoughtfull mechanical engineering behind them. if those traits leave land rover so will it's legacy. rd | ||||||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2052 Registered: 10-2001 |
hey blue. keep the wifes explorer, so in 2 years you can sell parts off it on Ebay as '05 Disco parts. | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2002 |
I'll just say my piece, but first a quote: "The third generation Discovery will have a longer wheelbase (113.4 inches, up from 100.0) and a longer and lower body that will be sleeker while keeping traditional styling cues. A Range Rover-style clamshell hood and split tailgate are expected. Body-on-frame construction remains, but an air sprung independant suspension will replace the current solid axles. The ancient OHV V-8 makes way for a Jaguar-derived 4.2 liter DOHC V-8. In 2005 an entry level Discovery will recieve a ford V-6 engine, which likely will come to the states in 3.0 liter guise." -Automobile Magazine May 2003 H1, body on frame, independant suspension. New RR, monocoque frame, independant suspension. Many Baja trucks use independant suspension. Many Military vehicles use independant suspension. This suspension setup can be made to provide wonderful off road ability, especially when attached to a ladder frame. The problem I see is the dissappearance of that stellar COG with the removal of those heavy suspension componants. They can still be modified, but it will cost money. Look, the more money they make off of this part of their line, the more likely they will be to bring the defender back over intact. Even LR can't ignore what people are dreaming about these days; Jeep Rubicon, H2 etc... They won't change the defender too much, as Britain uses the things for light military vehicles. Without sales, however, we won't see it again. Ford isn't going to personally finance that venture no matter how promising it may be. I see eventually a defender with a revised interior and possibly a roll hoop as an option that can be pre-installed for NAS models. That could be their big seller, they simply have to show that they can make money first. Cheers, Kennith | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , shuttup. I suspect one is just as good to you as the other cause you are clueless... Yeah , I am saying its a POS..... And if they are spanking your Disco its probably a POS as well. Or maybe you just cant drive that "Bad Rover" of yours. Ever think of that ? Maybe you have some Explorer envy that needs to be satisfied..... Again POS POS POS... Disco is Dead , its started dying in 99.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2003 |
take that. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2303 Registered: 04-2002 |
"Many Baja trucks use independant suspension" Many Baja trucks are also 2wd, I don't think that is really saying much for the offroad capabilities of an independent suspension Land Rover unless you want to start a Land Rover offroad racing team like the douche bag with the XZLs | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2003 |
Since I don't know what is under the hood Cory and I don't want to talk out of my ass. How about this, it looks like a piece of shit! I think that is very objective point of view. Let's lower all our Disco's so we can be ready for the 2005 model. | ||||||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2002 |
" H1, body on frame, independant suspension. New RR, monocoque frame, independant suspension. Many Baja trucks use independant suspension. Many Military vehicles use independant suspension. " Yes. And all of these are really designed just for fast travel over rough yet failrly flat terrain. Not for what I wheel - rutty steep hill climbs. I know some rockcrawler buggies now sport independent but so what. It does not mean it's "better", so why not stick with straight axles. If for nothing else, then for their simplicity. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corky, my sincerest apologies for offending you. Let me qualify my deragatory statements about the 2005 Disco by saying the following: "From what I have seen so far, it is a piece of shit." One might say that it will be "One bad rover". | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2002 |
It all comes down to economics, as all of you know, 90-95% of all suv's never go off-road, and the current trend is to build suv's for all those soccer moms that want the thing to drive like a car. We 5% or less that actually go off-road are not going to have any say into what Land Rover is going to build, they will build whatever these soccer moms want because that is where the money is, and as a result you have here the 2005 Disco. I have to agree with Kyle, the Disco is dead, the days of easily lifting, modifying, or even working on new Land Rover are over. R.I.P Disco, soccer moms are coming. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 112 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true. your arguement is pretty useless as well, maybe I cant drive it?? this comes from where?? out your ass...sorry again but its true. Sounds more like you are pissed off cause you cant afford it so you talk shit on it. I cant afford it either but I am willing to admit when superior design is there. if disco is so dead then wtf are you driving?? I have also seen some pretty competent D2s rolling around as well. EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: IF YOU HAVE A D2 YOU DRIVE A POS, KYLE CAN OUT WHEEL YOU ANYDAY, DISCO IS DEAD... you are a jackass...you should hang out on a Ford board and talk about how good the old f150 used to be.... Bill-- As for the lowering, well I suppose you are still riding around on stock suspension in your disco?? I think not, do you think there will be no lifts available for the 2005?? Maybe you havent noticed but all discos are pretty low to the ground, disco 1 included. Hence why there is so many posts about lifts etc...and why most people who ride their rovers hard end up with a lift on them. And one last note, military applications are designed to go anywhere at anytime and be dependable, do you think that when AM designed the H1 that they hadnt heard of a straight axle??? I think they chose independant for a reason, or maybe all of their engineers hadnt heard of the "new" straight axle technology... Seriously, there isnt a conspiracy out there to make the new rovers less competent off road, there are new designs that come out all the time and the true test of intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. Im sure that if the internet was around back when that someone would have had a war about fuel injection being not nearly as good as a good ole 4barrel, probably would have used the same arguements as Kyle too.... and as for the rest, well, all I can do is refer you to the true test of intelligence above...get with it, or get out of the way.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 113 Registered: 09-2002 |
oh--Rob, thanks for the comments, I agree with you for the most part, but without getting underneath it and working on it how can you say that it has been designed like a POS, it may be different, but that doesnt mean its not just as capable...btw you would have been seriously impressed by the RR, the only flaw I saw was that the paint was scratched, by trees and such, far too easily...oh and the mudflaps fall off with barely a glance.... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 59 Registered: 04-2003 |
Wow, the new RR is "is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there". I didn't know that. You learn something new every day. Thanks. | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, Yeah, yeah, but it's freak'n ugly - IFS or no IFS. Oh yes, the Disco has always looked like no other but in my opinion the new styling is lacking unless you are into the Buick Rendevous rear end look - blah. Maybe they are threatened by the H2 look..I don't know. I'm disappointed. To each his own I guess and I unfortunately am not one of them. My spider senses are tingling..........Got to get more parts........D1 good.......2005 ugly.... | ||||||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) New Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
Maybe this will cause all of our Diso's to start appreciating in value? | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 114 Registered: 09-2002 |
its also a masked concept right now... Im just saying trash it once its out an youve driven around in it and found what it is actually lacking, I dont expect it to be nearly as good as my D1, just waiting to see it to make a true eval. and sorry if I got a little hot there....just my opinion and I think all of you guys are great, even if I think you are wrong sometimes.... :D | ||||||
| D H (Fhg) New Member Username: Fhg Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
Considering the excellent Range Rover III, personally I have great confidence in the Land Rover guys’ ability to update the Discovery. Problem is that most of the engineering of the RR was apparently done by the chaps over in Munich (BMW). Hope the people at Ford (PAG) can deliver a similar excellent input - considering what they are learning with the new Aston Martin and Jaguar (XJ) in terms of advanced construction techniques and materials, I’m sure they can bring some novel construction and clever engineering solutions to the Discovery. I’m willing to bet styling will be spot on. Though the current disco suspension concept has many merits (as all us disco drivers will attest) I’m excited about things moving on in the direction of cleverly designed independent suspension (the way the RR has done). Adaptive suspension systems I think has great future in advanced off-roaders – I’ve been amazed how much ACE and SLS improved the Disco II over the Disco I (in my own opinion, I’m sure some won’t agree…), and I’m now a believer! But for the purists amongst us who will never forsake the live axle, I think Land Rover should thoroughly update the Defender and move that vehicle up to the space left by Discovery if they go the independent suspension way. As for the diesel engine… Peugeot are well known for their superb diesel engines in their hatchbacks, and have great confidence they can apply their extensive knowledge to make a fantastic diesel alternative to the Jaguar V8 petrol engine (remember that most Disco’s in Europe are diesels). As TD5 enthusiast, I’m also a firm believer in diesel tech! We live in an era of outsourcing and specialisation, so if Land Rover outsource development of stuff like diesel engines to reputable and knowledgeable companies the end result can only be a better product. Lets just hope they thoroughly test and debug it before releasing it – so that we end up with a product that’s more than the sum of its parts! However its great to read how much faith you guys put in your tried and tested tech in the Disco I. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if those alleged POS headlights would fit on my D1.... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 63 Registered: 04-2003 |
they should put a permanent mask on that roofline too. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Guys, dont pick on Corey, he just has no clue, I think they call it ignorance. =p I also get the impression you dont go wheeling much.. If you did, you would probably have come across all the stuck H1's and other IFS trucks that get cross axled on the smallest of gulleys. The 03 RR does quite well in those situations because of the computers controlling wheel slippage and the torsion differential or whatever its called. If your Disco 1 couldnt go where the 03 RR did, then you have some serious flaws in your truck (even stock) or your driving ability. The fact that you also dont recognize the fundamental flaws in these new trucks with IFS and computer controlled traction is also disturbing. If you ever go offroading, then you may know that things break from time to time. How in the hell are you going to fix anything, or even make it so you can limp home or get off the trail if you have to work on an IFS, or fix a computer, or your one traction providing element goes bad.. A disco 1 will be in bed and warm long before a 03 RR owner or this new 05 Disco if something goes wrong in the field. Solid axles have been around for 60 plus years in Jeep and Land Rovers for a reason.. they work, and they last.. The new IFS has been developed by engineers to make a "compromise" as Rob mentioned earlier for the highway driving crowd for comfort. For you to refute 60 years of offroad heritage with a Ford deisgned mall crawler with IFS is rediculous.. The H1 is hardly a killer offroad vehicle. Ask any marine.. they get stuck and breakdown all the time.. They refer to them as the ultimate piece of shit. The marines I know all prefer the few Defenders and G-Wagons they have. The 03 RR wouldnt last 5 minutes on the "real" trails here in Colorado. The large rocks would destroy its undercarriage, doors, and the lack of articulation would leave it with 2 wheels off the ground 90% of the time. To suggest it would outwheel Kyles disco is even more rediculous.. Its not even worth addressing.. I like the 03 RR, and thinks its excellent, but it is no D90, or 110, or Disco.. D1. The D2 is worse because of the lack of CDL. Thats why the Disco dies in 99. (yes I know some D2's have cdl, but you get the point.) Its fine to like this POS 05 Disco if you want, but dont try to say for one minute that it will be capable offroad like the Land Rover heritage.. It wont be.. by design.. Ford has really blown this one.. and its the ego of some engineer or designer that has destroyed it. Maybe Ford will wake up and see the light that someone at jeep did that brought about the Rubicon. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey guys I hate to say it, but the New RR is EXTREMELY competant off road - I have driven one. As for lack of articulation, its better than standard DISCO; its not the Torsen CD or the better than O2 traction control, its the hydraulic/computer controlled suspension that senses one wheel going up on say the drivers side front end and FORCES the passenger side wheel down - it actually simulates live axel and that, despite being a TECHNO DRAMA if it goes wrong, is pretty clever. Having said all that, the petrol engine, whilst tractable is not as torquey off idle as the DII and that means a lot. The TD6 is pretty good. On deep sand they are crap and do their best to bury themselves because of one thing that lets them down - LOW PROFILE TYRES!!. They look great, but give a rangie 16" wheels and at least 70 profile tyres and you would probably not stop it on the beach. 2CENTS | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hey thanks for the back up, I dont think richard has been in a new RR or seen one go. Its pretty obvious or he wouldnt make the comments he did. If you want to think I cant drive thats fine.. more power to ya, but Id be willing to bet that the high unita ranges- in utah, which is where we were, are as bad if not worse than anything I have seen in Colorado and not to be a dick but I should know, I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines... so talk all you like, I know what I have done and I know how impressed I was with the new RR, its great that you can fix a strait axle in the field(whatever) but I would venture that if you dont break the axle in the first place because its not in the way then you are way ahead of the game. and your 60 year argument..do you actually think that it is the best design ever, it can never be improved on?? C'mon seriously this is the carb vs. fuel injected arguement, its not better you are just used to it and used to how you need to drive with it. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2003 |
I have seen many 03 Rangies, and seen them wheeling.. they are quite good.. I never said they werent , but they cant compete against kyles disco, or mine, or most others on here. They go great up hills and the such, but would be toast on big rocks, stumps, etc.. oh well, im not here to piss back and forth, ive said my thoughts, thats all.. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
actually, i think have completely mistated my opinion.. the 03 rangie probably could go on the trails here in Colorado, and keep up with the d90's , discos, and the like. It however would get destroyed in the process... extremely destroyed.. While the other would get through unschathed. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , you are a fucking Moron and that pretty much explains your whole take on this thread. You have been Exploring Ghost towns ? Fucking LO fucking L. You really really have no clue do you ? If you look back at some of Land Rovers own advertising you will see some serious flaws in IFS. I am sure they tore that shit down and buried it now but it used to hang in every show room. Now Corey , how does the ETC do when the going gets slow and intricate ? How does that front end strip down in the feild ? Hell , how does an old one strip down ? You probably dont know either and therefore really just dont see the difference. The claims you have made here just show how stupid you really are.... Thanks for the laugh. And by the way. Tell any of those boys with an 03 range rover that I will go head to head with them on the hardest trails we can find , title for title. Thats easy enough. Put up or shut the fuck up... Moron Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2002 |
I'm in full agreement with you, but modify the rangie in the same way as you have modified your own vehicles and see what it does.. coming from your point of view I could say that rangie completely puts your trucks to shame with on road stability but thats not comparing the same thing. and one thing the rangie did that I wouldnt dare was go up to the middle of the windshield in water, without a snorkel, drove to the other side of the river without a leak. I'd love to see the disco pull that off without a snorkel... | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 236 Registered: 11-2002 |
You fucking dip shit , you CANT modify it in the same way. God damn you are a dumb fuck. You seen a lifted IFS truck ? Shall we go back to darby ? Buy some books , take some seminars , shut the fuck up..... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2002 |
"and one thing the rangie did that I wouldnt dare was go up to the middle of the windshield in water, without a snorkel, drove to the other side of the river without a leak. I'd love to see the disco pull that off without a snorkel..." Again , showing your inexperience. Ask Rob , Al , Ax , Hell , most of the people I have ever been out with have managed that awe inspiring feat... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2003 |
take that. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Its hot in here | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, Kyle is right. You are a first class moron dipshit. How do I know this? Your statements are so absurd it's patently obvious you're talking out of your ass when you say one truck is more capable than another. "went out off roading with a 2003 RR two weeks ago, RR stock and my Disco1 with full OME susp, skids and sliders, guess what the RR went up hills, over obstacles and through water that I can only dream of, but I guess thats probably because its such a piece of shit." This is so revealing. A stocker 03 Rangie kicked your ass? As others have said, your truck is either a POS or you can't drive for shit, or both. I love how you add that your truck has the full-on OME and skid plates. LOL. You say it as if it had some real meaning. You got the poseur goodies, the stuff that shows. You got any drivetrain in your One Bad Disco? Of course not. I've seen the 03 Rangie on the trail and it's a nice truck. But it can't come even close to doing what what a well modified Rover can do. It's not even close. The fact that you think it can tells volumes about what you know or don't know. Here are some pics of an 03 Rangie on the trail: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr/DCP_1813.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr/DCP_1820.jpg I use the word "trail" loosely there. That was a dirt road. And the Rangie still got two flat tires and had to be nursed home with 20 different Safety Seal plugs in the sidewall. Take that stocker on a real trail and it's sure to suffer lots of body damage and flat tires at a bare minimum. "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true. your arguement is pretty useless as well, maybe I cant drive it?? this comes from where??" It comes from your revealing statements and your self-proclaimed "One Bad Disco" claim to fame. There are certain things that someone can say that are dead giveaways. And you've said things that are so absurd that you are clearly not a MENSA with an unusually high IQ. Here are some pics of Kyle's Disco: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/dusy/dsc00205.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/rubicon/DSC006946.jpg I'm not claiming those pics are Armageddon or something. They're not. But they're pics of trails that are well beyond the ability of a stocker 03 Rangie. "I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines..." You are one huge dumb ass. If you have been wheeling as long as you claim, you would know that you're not supposed to blaze your own trails you idiot. You're supposed to stay on established trails. It's stupid fucks like you who give fourwheeling a bad name and get trails closed. And this is yet another revealing statement that shows you for what you are. You think it sounds impressive to have full-on OME suspension and skid plates and use some Leggo my Eggo bridging ladders to cross ravines? To knowledgeable people, you just sound like some moron wannabe who's seen too many Camel Trophy videos. "its great that you can fix a strait axle in the field(whatever) but I would venture that if you dont break the axle in the first place because its not in the way then you are way ahead of the game." This is another moronic statement from you. Do you think one breaks axles from impacts? Or something else? Or was this not covered in your Idiot's Guide To Acting Like A Big Shot On The Web? "modify the rangie in the same way as you have modified your own vehicles and see what it does.. coming from your point of view I could say that rangie completely puts your trucks to shame with on road stability but thats not comparing the same thing." Yet another revealing statement. And you say others are talking out of their asses? You sound just as dumb as that Michelin XZL guy. You're the one who's talking out of his ass. Incidentally, you might want to change your profile. The "One Bad Disco" is another dead giveaway that you're a FUCKING LOSER! | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2003 |
I drove one of the best stock off road vehicles availible in the US, the rubicon, and thought it needed a lift and to cut off the ends of the bumpers or replace the bumpers. No vehicle is really show room ready for the off road usage we discuss here on dweb without even a small amount of modification. How many discovery owners (D1 and 2) have cut their bumper covers in the front or removed running boards? Maybe the RR3 is better than a D1 stock, but how many trail runners on this board can actually get to where they want to go in stock vehicles? I live in UT too, I see plenty of dirt roads that need no mod in any truck to do, hell I could take my wifes Audi. But lots of places here need a lift and a vehicle that is easy to fix or at least limp home from the middle of BFE. Take a RR3 and lift it then break it at the end of hole in the rock and see how well that technology works for you. Will on-star come out the same day with a helicopter to air lift your truck out? I think the complex nature of the RR3 will limit the availiblity of parts to modify it. I'd really like to see a reliable lift used on a RR3, like Kyle said look at "darby" for how well that worked. Those IFs and IRS trucks will be not a good choice for trail running. True some rock crawlers run independent suspension, but there trailer to take them home are always close by. I bet there will be a sfa and sfr 2005 disco availible, we just won't be able to buy it in the US. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh, one more thing. That story of yours about the 03 Rangie wading in water that was deep enough to go to the middle of the windshield is bullshit. The fact that you thought anyone would be stupid enough to believe it shows just how stupid you are. Your story is about as credible as JimmyG's story about how his Disco turned into a Seawolf submarine and went 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Bullshit. No truck can go that deep without some serious mods. Perhaps that Rangie owner pulled one over on you and had a SCUBA tank connected to the engine? Or there was some magic air bubble under the hood? Who knows. All I know is your story is not credible. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 170 Registered: 02-2003 |
and done. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2003 |
I can't speak for marines but as an army officer going on 13 years I can tell you that the H1 is a fantastic truck. It does not get stuck "all the time" and does not break down either. The Marines probably don't perform maintenance because the cant read the manual. I have driven the H1 all over..... Europe, Bosnia, Kuwait, and you have to be pretty stupid to get one stuck. IFS is not such a bad thing if set up right. Ford porobably won't set it up right but who knows. As for the G-wagon and Defenders.. well the Ranger Battalions use Defenders, they are in the process of geting rid of them, the only advantage they have is that they are a lot more narrow than the H1. They don't have anywhere close to the torque that the H1 has and the reduction gears at the hubs of that independent suspension multiply the torque in a way that cant be done with a solid axle. Just my opinion, but it is backed up by experience.---Matt | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2003 |
If I put the RR3 healights on my 01 or 02 will they go that deep? | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yup I bet you could go even deeper then the windshield Marcel | ||||||
| Neal Glessner (Nealg) Senior Member Username: Nealg Post Number: 642 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL! "a MENSA with an unusually high IQ". I know where that came from. | ||||||
| John E. King, Jr. (Cadet007) New Member Username: Cadet007 Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Matt, Good post about the H1. I haven't been in the Army as long (2 years, officer) but I have seen the H1 do some great things. I'm stationed here in Alaska, and there is no better test of a vehicle's offroad prowess than the muskeg up here. It's like driving on jello and I've seen the H1 eat it up. I'm sure future rovers will be great vehicles and we'll like them as much as the ones we have now. Have we given up on them putting in diesels and bringing the CDL over? I like a vehicle with good lines, but the body can look less than desireable if I can get these things. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
About the H1.. I have friends in the marines right now, and aside from your cant read remark, they all think the H1 is shit.. As they were storming Baghdad 2 weeks ago, they were getting stuck left and right in the ruts , as were the LAV's, and they were having massive overheating problems, and break downs. granted alot of it was probably from the dust. They have all mentioned in specific, how crap they performed. Im not really sure what to say about your comment about the defenders, it makes me think you dont know what they are or something. They outperform the H1 continually. Maybe you saw the Defenders driving up the stairs and smashing through the doors of the palace in Basrah? I think a H1 probably might have had enough torque to get up the stairs and bust open the door, but .. hmm it wouldnt have gotten through the door like the D90 did.. its too PHAT!!.. and thus the 50cal gunner couldnt have cleared the room... oh well.. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
btw... lets not forget what might have been under BMW... too bad they chucked it.. http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Defender_MY.htm | ||||||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2003 |
The '05 Disco's are the fucking ugliest thing i have ever seen. Looks like the new 4Runners, which suck offroad. What the hell is the world coming to when a man finally gets happy with his type of vehicle and they go and pull some shit like this. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 172 Registered: 02-2003 |
yeah my cousin was an Army Ranger he said they got rid of the Hummers for the D-90. Does anyone know the final crawl ratio of a hummer. Reduction at the hubs seem like more to go wrong. yeah yeah portals are neat but I rather have a dynatrac 60. Another bit of info he told me was that the army had to pay the Rover mechnics more to keep them in army because they would go to work for dealerships and the like. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2002 |
"If I put the RR3 healights on my 01 or 02 will they go that deep?" Scott. Get your own schtick. My D1(with D3 headlights) will kick your D2's(with RR3 headlights) ass ANY day. Has anyone run headlight breather lines to their snorkle? So my lights have oxygen and I can run them under water. | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 632 Registered: 02-2002 |
guess the adjective "Classic" for early RRs will become even more kismet as LR ages. Jaime | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2003 |
Neil, you have forgotthen that I am an Aussie - what the fuck is "Schtick" and how do you use it? By the way, I take up your challenge and expect to see you in Sunny Queensland as soon as the bridge between Australia and the US is built. S | ||||||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 510 Registered: 07-2002 |
I like the RR '03 and the new Disco, and they are pretty good off road - probably the best you can buy right off the line. If I had the money I would buy the new stuff. But the point here that we all seem to be making is that WE LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL!! We WANT a TRUCK! We won't buy the new stuff unless we can also buy new OLD SCHOOL style. Bring the "current year" Defenders back into the states and I will buy new LR's all day long (...dreaming of fat pockets full of money...) but actually have fun in the DEFENDER or old style DISCOVERY I or II (w/CDL). That said, the stupid "Discovery" pictured above is really terrible looking. I would certainly buy a Freelander for on-road driving WAY before the Ford... | ||||||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree RB. The whole point of the LRs is to be different and "European". Something rugged you can take off the pavement. That looks like... wow, very similar to a new Ford Explorer. Hmmm.... I wonder why Ford decided to change the lights in the 03 Explorer to projector beams??? | ||||||
| John Friederich (Jfriedlvcmcom) New Member Username: Jfriedlvcmcom Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2003 |
It is 75% driver, 25% equpment, I think. I have more than one automotive interest. I can have an un-named someone else drive my '69 Datsun 2000 in a local autocross and get best time of day, where I can finish 4th in class if all goes well for me. Chassis loading, and all that. In my wife and my recent trip to Anza Borrego for Bill Burkes training, a spanking new RR made everything look easy, where a novice with a D90 & lockers had trouble with a few situations. BB was able to spot a rental Jeep Liberty with a first-timer up places the D90 got hung up on without spotting. Christ, I think BB could have driven my Roadster up these trails. I've got a video clip I took of the RR driving up a rock that only the Pinz in the group was able to make it up, and that was with street tires. He did ding the air dam though. I'm all for aftermarket shit, but lets give more credit where it is due, to the driver (or spotter). I'd rather be in the back seat of Chucks Rangie in a tough spot, than a Poseurs modified D90 / D1 / D2/ H1 and probably wouldn't spill my beer, either. John F Las Vegas, NV D2 with slight mods (OME HD, CDL, Diff lock, etc) | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thats not fair for arguing John.. Everyone knows that Bill has alien lifeform levitation and illusion powers... His miracles have been spotted by many.. He could get a stock Audi TT to drive across the crack unscathed and on the first try. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2310 Registered: 04-2002 |
assuming he doesn't crush his head in a highlift first  | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2311 Registered: 04-2002 |
allright, allright now before everyone jumps on me that was a joke... I'm assuming there is no load on the jack though it would make for a great 'what not to do example' if there was. | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 261 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey shuman, maybe i'm confused about something, can you tell me what makes a land rover a "Land Rover" in your mind? just the name? | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 92 Registered: 02-2002 |
"By the way, I take up your challenge and expect to see you in Sunny Queensland as soon as the bridge between Australia and the US is built. " Who needs a bridge when you have a snorkel? If I had the time, I would drive my rig right over that Great Barrier Reef of yours. schtick 1. A characteristic attribute, talent, or trait that is helpful in securing recognition or attention: waiters in tropical attire are part of the restaurant's shtick. 2. An entertainment routine or gimmick. | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2003 |
Neil, If you had a RR '03 you could drive there without a snorkel. I hear they put H2O converters on on the breathers. It's an option package only. You have to get it with the water tight door seal package. Why can they make doors that are water tight to the crush depth for a Range Rover, but I can't keep my Disco's sun roof from leaking? | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 175 Registered: 02-2003 |
or my D-90 | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2002 |
"A body engineer from Land Rover goes on an exchange visit to Toyota in Japan and watches the engineers developing the latest Land Cruiser bodyshell. He notices that on the workbench they have a cat in a small cage and he asks what it's for. The Japanese engineer tells him when they have finished a Land Cruiser they lock a cat in it and go home. If the cat is dead when they return in the morning they know the shutlines on the doors are up to their high standards. The LR guy likes this idea and when he gets back to Solihull he takes a cat to work and locks it in a Defender and goes home for the night. When he returns in the morning the cat is gone. " I love that one. | ||||||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bill, the leaking sun roof has to do with having straight axles. By adding IFS to your truck you will be able to stop the leak! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 117 Registered: 09-2002 |
Okay I think I have determined that Kyle, Richard and John have the most badass rovers in the world, they know it all and have more experience then anyone on this board, dont argue a point or they will call you a dumb fucking shit...John, you seem the be the moron as you dont know shit about anything beyond your own truck, here is an idea, go look at the RR, Im not sure how it works but the RR somehow seals the intake when hit with water and can run for 15 or 20 seconds without fresh air. But you probably wouldnt be able to fix this off road so you should steer away from it. To you guys who tried to give some insight on the H1 and how compentent it was, thanks!! I agree but you are obviously wrong, didnt you read John, Kyle and Richards posts, all IFS sucks, if its not on their trucks it sucks ass. (see sarcasm) Oh and John, in regards to me cutting my own trails..maybe you should look up what off-roading actually is..it is defined as "off-road" a trail is a road, and sometimes there isnt a trail to where you need to be, but you probably wouldnt understand that because it appears that your definition of 4 wheeling is going nowhere and just showing how much articulation you have on some big rock. Guess how the need for off-raod vehicles started?? someone needed to be where there was no trail!!! So tell me John, being the rabid enviromentalist that you are, do you have a lot of Peta members in your off-road group too?? For me I buy my trucks and modify them to get me where I need to be. Not to show around town and occasionally go where everyone else has been. I'll keep this up with you for as long as you would like. All I have to say is that this thread was not a pissing match as to who has the most bad ass truck..All I was saying is dont judge the new disco until you have seen it and driven it, in person.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 118 Registered: 09-2002 |
oh and John, nice pics...a bone stock RR against your heavily modified Discos, good comparison, but I guess whatever you need to make your truck look better, you should take some shots of you and kyle going head to head against a stock freelander, your truck would really appear to be bad ass.... | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1486 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh Boy, Mr. Matt up there had to run his lips: I have driven the H1 all over..... Europe, Bosnia, Kuwait, and you have to be pretty stupid to get one stuck. Interesting. Bosina had dirt roads, Kuwait had sand and dirt roads, and Europe is paved like the US. Well Matt, don't forget that by the time you Army guys get there, the Marines had already paved the way for you. | ||||||
| David Morin (Sporin) New Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2003 |
Corey, While I concur on your general "wait & see" idea, you are dead wrong on Kyle. He's got a truly bad-ass Discovery, and he knows how to use it with extreme prejudice. While newer IFS trucks with sophisticated traction controls (RR, Toureg, 4Runner) are very impressive in some situations, these trucks lack the strength and simplicity to be SERIOUS rockcrawlers. At least without doing a LOT of damage to themselves. I think that if the new Discovery is watered-down, there is no shortage of older Discos to keep us all happy for decades. The sky is not falling. Also, if it sells enough, and makes enough money for LR to bring us the next Defender, it will have served a purpose. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, I knew you would come back for more. You stupid fucks always come back for more, even when your position is untenable. Somehow you think the rest of the world is as dumb as you are and will believe you when you keep on spouting untenable positions and bullshit stories. You seem to think that if you have the last word or if you post a lot, that will be sufficient to make your position the correct one. Well, it's not. "Okay I think I have determined that Kyle, Richard and John have the most badass rovers in the world, they know it all and have more experience then anyone on this board, dont argue a point or they will call you a dumb fucking shit..." Well, that's a typical answer from a stupid fuck like you. What you do is actually very common. You disagree with someone's position, and so you exaggerate that person's position to the point of absurdity to make your position more credible. It's a chickenshit thing to do and losers like you almost invariably do it because you have nothing else to go on. Kyle, Richard, and I never said we have the most badass Rovers in the world. We leave that for morons like you. Here are your words: "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true." I'm not doing what you like to do and exaggerate others positions. Those are your words from your chickenshit mouth. Also, you can argue any point you like. Just because you disagree with us doesn't make you a dumb shit. You are a dumb shit because you take absurd positions. "Oh and John, in regards to me cutting my own trails..maybe you should look up what off-roading actually is..it is defined as "off-road" a trail is a road, and sometimes there isnt a trail to where you need to be, but you probably wouldnt understand that because it appears that your definition of 4 wheeling is going nowhere and just showing how much articulation you have on some big rock." Oh, that was brilliant. I think you have me confused with another vendor. And yes, a trail is indeed a road. "Off-road" is the common parlance to describe our hobby, but just because it is common does not mean it is accurate. "Off-highway" is becoming more and more common because it more accurately describes proper fourwheeling. You can venture off the highway but you are never supposed to venture off the trail you stupid mother fucker. I know you know this. You're just taking another absurd position because you're as stubborn as you are stupid. That's what makes me so pissed off at you. It's not as if you're just new to fourwheeling and ignorant. You know enough. You're just a fucking asshole and won't admit that you're wrong because it would mean that I'm right and I can't be right because I called you a dumb ass and a loser. You know enough that you should know better, but rather than admit that your stories about blazing your new trails and crossing ravines with bridging ladders (which, incidentally, are more bullshit stories from you) were wrongful conduct, you now take the position that such conduct was proper. Here's your position: "Guess how the need for off-raod vehicles started?? someone needed to be where there was no trail!!!" You're such a fucking asshole. So just because someone once cut a trail that makes it all right for you to do the same? No, that's not all right. As I said before, it's assholes like you that give fourwheeling a bad name. And it's assholes like you that get environmentalists against us. And it's assholes like you that get trails closed. (All of this is assuming your statements about your trail blazing are true, which I highly doubt.) "So tell me John, being the rabid enviromentalist that you are, do you have a lot of Peta members in your off-road group too??" What the hell is this? Is this your idea of some kind of dig? Is this and sarcasm and exaggerating others statements all you have you pathetic piece of shit? "For me I buy my trucks and modify them to get me where I need to be. Not to show around town and occasionally go where everyone else has been." This is another meaningless statement from you. Just where do you need to be? "oh and John, nice pics...a bone stock RR against your heavily modified Discos, good comparison, but I guess whatever you need to make your truck look better, you should take some shots of you and kyle going head to head against a stock freelander, your truck would really appear to be bad ass...." Look you stupid fuck. I showed pics of a stock Rangie eating shit on a dirt road for a reason. Why? You know why but because you're feigning ignorance so I'll tell you anyway. I never claimed it's a fair comparison between a stocker Rangie and other modded Rovers. That would be absurd. I showed pics of a stocker Rangie eating shit on a dirt road because you claimed a stocker Rangie could smoke Kyle's truck and 90% of the trucks on this board. Again, here are your words: "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true." That's the only reason I showed that Rangie eating shit on a dirt road. I think that's a fair response to your statement that a stock Rangie could smoke Kyle's truck and 90% of the trucks on this board. Of course, you know this. But you're such a fucking asshole you won't admit this and you try to frame my posting those pics as some sort of chickenshit way for me to feel better about my D90. No, I wasn't trying to do that. I leave that for chickenshit assholes like you with nothing better in their lives. I'm not the one who claims he boldly goes where no man has gone before. And I'm not the one who refers to himself as "One Bad Rover". | ||||||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2003 |
So, we've concluded that the new rangie is not as trailworthy as some of these modded discos. Maybe it's just me, but I'll still take the Rangie. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 176 Registered: 02-2003 |
I feel this is appropiate and why has it not been posted yet.  | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 177 Registered: 02-2003 |
I feel this is appropiate and why has it not been posted yet? not directed to the members that can clearly see that the new RR is no where near its 4x4 heritage as the other members trucks. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
John, I'm confused. What do you really think about Corey? Thanks for the post, its helping me through a bad day at work. Now where the hell are my shocks? cheers | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Owning a Disco........<or= $40,000 Surfing the web.......$30/month posting on Discoweb...free Being entertained by Corey Shuman, John Lee, Kyle Van Tassel etal.......PRICELESS! STOP IT YOU GUYS, I'M GONNA GET FIRED IF I STAY ON HERE TO READ WHAT HAPPENS NEXT! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 120 Registered: 09-2002 |
okay, Im going to drop it here...I tried to read Johns post but I kept getting stuck at "f#ck", "@sshole" and "d!psh!t" (that was for you Mike..:D so John, you win, I am not nearly the man, the 4 wheeler or the bad-ass that you are, you are right on all points. Good Job and thanks for showing me where I was wrong. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, you're still as big an asshole liar as you ever were. I've seen your Loser type many times before and if you had anything to come back with, you would. But you don't. So you come up with yet another lie about how you're too tired to read my post, even though everyone here knows you did read my previous post in its entirety. You even contemplated responding to my post with more meaningless statements and lies but given my last post you thought it better to fall back on your position of more sarcasm. That's all you have left, and so that's what you come back with. Your last post is basically "Tap tap no flashies." So typical of the Loser. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2003 |
hehe... "the cat was gone" ... heheh Reminds me of when I took my virgin truck to the dealer about a week after I got it cause my wife was complaining about wind noise.. he opened the door, put his knee up to it and heaved with all his weight on the top of the door frame bending to towards him... It worked!!... from that day on, I knew how to fix my truck... | ||||||
| Jorge D. Hinojos (Tenoch) New Member Username: Tenoch Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
Come on guys..let us be good sports and continue enjoying our website. Instead of criticizing each other, we should enjoy the one thing we all have in common....we love land rovers!!! and Regardless what happens in the future, every land rover should be unique on its own way. I admit that I learned some things from the posts above. Words from a beginer off-roader | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, as hilarious as this is....cool down Mr. Metro...I think everyone has formulated an opinion on this topic and thanks to you guys, have been able to contemplate the new Disco in it's entirety. I think 'ol Corey has taken his licks....He can't be that much of a loser if he owns a Rover....C,mon man, Rove on! | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, as hilarious as this is....cool down Mr. Metro...I think everyone has formulated an opinion on this topic and thanks to you guys, have been able to contemplate the new Disco in it's entirety. I think 'ol Corey has taken his licks....He can't be that much of a loser if he owns a Rover....C,mon man, Rove on! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 121 Registered: 09-2002 |
(yknow, I tried to drop this...I even apologized for getting a little hot headed before) Its not licks Im taking..John is a moron, he isnt smart enough to understand sarcasm, and too beligerant to understand anything else. John is like every other bad ass on the internet that talks all sorts of smack from behind his monitor. It reminds me of a guy who once offered to fly out here to SLC to kick my ass if he only had my address, well I gave it to him and guess what he never showed.....surprise, surprise. Oh and John, if you want my address feel free to ask too...you have the mentality of a junior high student, and I would be willing to wager you have the income to match it. Should you ever make it to Utah or if you are in Utah now LMK, I would love to arrange a meeting with you. bitch. | ||||||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 427 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hehe...too bad we don't still do jousting... | ||||||
| Kai Dussling (Kai) Member Username: Kai Post Number: 66 Registered: 06-2002 |
Back to the original thread........ One of the biggest "what where you thinking" design stories that come to mind is the Ford Mustang. Does everyone remember that POS model they came out with in the late 70'S. Have you seen the new one? Maybe LR is doing the same thing. One step backwards (insert 2005 disco), two steps forward (insert 2018 disco, series 17 or something like that). I can't wait!!!!!! | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 238 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh but I aint done Corey , dumb ass...... Just eating dinner... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 239 Registered: 11-2002 |
OK Corey , since you really have nothing to say other then the personal BS that we have all seen so many many times here (ussually followed by the spelling and punctuation bullshit). I will attempt to get you to break it down for Me and John , I mean , since we are basically clueless. Break this shit down for us uneducated , inexperienced bastards about the mystery that is IFS and ETC. Tell us how having 8 (Yes , fucking 8!) weak CV joints is better then having just two. Tell us how its better that when one of these fucking 8 decides to take a shit to limp home on the magical ETC ? Tell us how much easier it will be to field service the broken hunk of shit once the inevitable has happened ? Tell us how it will still be so easy to modify (this thing you brought up)the new system like Land Rovers have been modified since forever. Tell us why its not a bad thing that castor AND camber is now fucked when you lift it. Tell us why its not a bad thing that you will have to buy upper and lower control arms with healthy lifts to keep the camber in line ? Tell us why its a good thing that inexpencive , very affective mods are a thing of the past in these new trucks ? I dont want to hear this Bullshit about it still being a land rover blah blah blah. Its not. All of you at one time or another has bashed another car maker for implementing the exact systems that are now showing up on these trucks. Its EXTREMELY hypocritical to now say its the cats ass just because Land Rover put it in a truck. Rovers have changed somewhat over the years and different models have come out. There is rivalry and model loyalty among the different owners but atleast we all knew one thing. And that was that even when the outter skin changed. The shit that really mattered was all the same. It was all the same for a reason.... Now please educate us Corey ,,,,,,,,,OR,,,,,simply shut the fuck up... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey exactly how can you display sarcasm on the internet? | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 720 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hehe...this is a fun one | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh man, the Loser is back. First he says he can go at this all day. Then he says he's going to drop it. Then he says he's back for more. Just like all lousy liars, his story keeps on changing. Some of you guys still think this guy deserves sympathy? I don't. He's a lying scumbag. He was lying then and he's still lying. Just like all liars. And he's so pathetic he's not even a good liar; he can't even stick to his story. It keeps changing with every post. "(yknow, I tried to drop this...I even apologized for getting a little hot headed before)" You call that an apology? Your last post was some chickenshit sarcasm. This is your idea of an apology?: "so John, you win, I am not nearly the man, the 4 wheeler or the bad-ass that you are, you are right on all points. Good Job and thanks for showing me where I was wrong." This is not an apology in any sense of the word. Rather, it's a childish way of saying "I'm still right and you're still wrong." It's little different from the bums on the street who tell you "God bless you Sir" when you tell them to get lost. The bums use that because that's all they have. Similarly, that's all you had left and so that's what you used. "Its not licks Im taking..John is a moron, he isnt smart enough to understand sarcasm, and too beligerant to understand anything else." No, it's licks you're taking. The only one who agrees with you is yourself. And "beligerant"? Who's the moron. If you're going to try to use big words to sound important, at least spell them correctly. "John is like every other bad ass on the internet that talks all sorts of smack from behind his monitor. It reminds me of a guy who once offered to fly out here to SLC to kick my ass if he only had my address, well I gave it to him and guess what he never showed.....surprise, surprise. Oh and John, if you want my address feel free to ask too..." Wow, that's really intimidating. So now that you've lost the debate on which vehicle is the more trail capable, and you realize your argument was a lost cause, now you shift the argument to "I'll kick your ass"? This is just as pathetic as your last argument. You say I remind you of that other guy. When did I ever ask for your address and threaten to come and see you? Anyone with half a brain knows that is about as credible as "I'll be placing an order with you very soon for sure." It doesn't mean anything real and if it means anything at all, it means the exact opposite of the statement. If I were ever inclined to do damage to you, I certainly wouldn't call you "bitch" and announce my intentions to the world. I would simply act and you wouldn't even know what hit you. We can try this in reverse if you like. I don't know your address but you certainly know mine. It's posted for all the world to see. "you have the mentality of a junior high student, and I would be willing to wager you have the income to match it." Wow, more brilliance from the liar so stupid he can't even stick to his story. This is pathetic. You're really running out of stuff, aren't you? Moron? Bitch? Junior high school income? What other brilliance is forthcoming in your next post? Did you fuck my mother too? Kyle has asked for some substantive points on your part. I'd be curious to hear your responses, if you're inclined to answer. Or, will this be the time you say you're going to "drop it" once again? Incidentally, I just realized you have a gallery. If the rest of you guys want to see Mr. One Bad Disco and the stuff he's done for "years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines", check out his gallery at: http://www.discoweb.org/coreyshuman/ | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2003 |
Yes it is. Just what I need to get over rear ending someone today! Kyle, please finish your dinner and get back into the game... | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 240 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh shit,,,,,lol. Cmon Corey , be the first dumb ass on this site to ever just flat out admit that he is a dumb ass and really shouldnt have said anything. Be a trend setter man... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2002 |
what junior high student actually has a job I am wondering. I think Corey you are the one who is acting childish, the whole "you want my address?" part. Come on how old are you seriously, that is stupid, get a life! Kyle you are right, just admit you are a shmuck and wrong. Marcel | ||||||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2003 |
how come nobody mentioned anything about this... "here is an idea, go look at the RR, Im not sure how it works but the RR somehow seals the intake when hit with water and can run for 15 or 20 seconds without fresh air. But you probably wouldnt be able to fix this off road so you should steer away from it." > > > > > there's a strange weather event we have in the east called "RAIN"...what a fucking moron...but this is very humorous... Frank | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 721 Registered: 09-2002 |
I saw that too...but I don't think anyone thought that was even worth comment. | ||||||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
yeah, but I had to say something... | ||||||
| John E. King, Jr. (Cadet007) New Member Username: Cadet007 Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
Whew...this isn't Discoweb....this is Jerry Springer! Hey, fellas, nobody screwed anybody's mom or sister so lets move on to something else. | ||||||
| joshua Frances (Joshua) Member Username: Joshua Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2002 |
I was looking at his pictures, and there is one (1) picture where the rack has some stuff on it. ( and there is another with a small junior highschool looking girl running by too, can you say scetchy?) is it me, or does he have a rescue can ( orange lifeguard thingy from baywatch they run with on the beach) on his roof. im just curious if anyone else caught that. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2003 |
hehehe, this is pretty funny.. why doesnt Corey explain the pics in his gallery.. is the red disco his? did he roll it..? looks pretty flat in the picture of it rolled.. howd you manage that.. Also it appears you drove into a clay mud lake bed up to your axles, and had to be pulled out by a cherokee... yeesh, I wouldnt put a picture up of myslef in that situation.. Also, mmm... nice runing boards.. Good thing you kept those on while in that lake bed.. did you have the sense to at least remove the airdamn? oh well, im done whipping on this fool.. If he even bothered to look for 4 minutes at John's public information, he would know damn well who he is, what he used to do for a living, why he stopped, and what he now does... really silly Corey... tsk tsk... | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2002 |
ha, yea i just noticed that. He is definatly a smart one do drive with all of his lights on in the fog. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corey aside... If this is truly the focus and future of Ford / Land Rover, then I had a couple of thoughts.. Maybe these last batch of solid axle rovers will become true classics. Which is cool.. We will have parts for a good 40 years I would think. Huge sourcing available in the UK. Now two of the possibilities from this point are, Land Rover makes a mint from selling these mall cruisers, and thus can have the freedom and money to put out specialist lines again like D90 , 110, and maybe a few new things here in the US.. Old school utility stuff. Other scenario is, Land Rover doesnt sell them , their books go in the shitter, and they lose money like mad... Someone, maybe with the vision, like BMW did, buys them up, and in 5 to 7 years, they come back to the real world of what a Land Rover is... just food for thought... sigh... | ||||||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2003 |
It is interesting to think that discos could really apreciate in value. Is this seriously a possibiblity or is there no chance? BTW-sweet running boards correy | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
Everything Ford touches turns to crap. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 265 Registered: 11-2002 |
I don't know about that, what about aston martin, that is by no means crap...or how about what they have done for both jaguar and volvo. They just can't help their own line of products. | ||||||
| George Clayton (Offcamber) Member Username: Offcamber Post Number: 95 Registered: 09-2002 |
Coming in 2007....the Land Rover Windstar. The newest in SUV-Minivan cross-overs. Electrics run just long enough to start blowing engines.... | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm still shaking my head in disbelief over this one: "If you want to think I cant drive thats fine.. more power to ya, but Id be willing to bet that the high unita ranges- in utah, which is where we were, are as bad if not worse than anything I have seen in Colorado and not to be a dick but I should know, I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines... so talk all you like, I know what I have done...." That has to be one of the stupidest things I have read on this board in a very long time, and that's saying a lot. I can't believe One Bad Rover wrote this and expected everyone to shy away from challenging his authoritative opinions on the 05 Disco and 03 Rangie. Seen in light of Corey's Armageddon gallery pics, his statement is even funnier than it was the first time around. | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
"Now two of the possibilities from this point are, Land Rover makes a mint from selling these mall cruisers, and thus can have the freedom and money to put out specialist lines again like D90 , 110, and maybe a few new things here in the US.. Old school utility stuff." This doesn't make sense. Do you think they would take all the money they make on one car and then use it to sell another(in large production) at a loss? I pray they don't work that way or they'll be completely out of business. Why, exactly, is it that they don't sell the 110 in the US anymore? I'd assume looking at the current market that it would be profitable (stock vehicles selling over MSRP). SD | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 722 Registered: 09-2002 |
John,...I saw that one and left it alone too, but being from Colo. and buzzing around a few trails, I think that maybe Corey has not seen all the trails availible or perhaps his "imagination" is not real sharp. I think there are a few Colo. Pics in the gallery. Some of them are kind of difficult. | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
You haven't seen the pictures of Ho getting airlifted out of mud, have you? SD | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2003 |
As for the Marines paving the way....Please. There are all of 50 thousand Marines on active duty. The Army has that many soldiers on Ft Hood alone. The only reason that the Marines are even involved in this current operation is to justify their existance. We will never do amphibious landing again. It was sort of funny to see the marines driving their landing crafts 300 miles into Iraq. As for the D-90 with the .50MG driving through a door of a palace anyone who is or has been in the military knows that was just a stunt for the reporters. Even a Marine officer is smart enough to not try that under fire. Yes Bosnia has dirt roads and so does Europe. But please if you think I was refering to the H1's great ability on roads then you have never been in one on a road, they are terrible. Any vehicle is prone to dust accumulation in the desert, the H1 has a great filter and if maintained it allows uninterupted operation in a desert environment. The Rangers have D-110 for their gun trucks, yes I know what I am talking about because I have been in them many times. The D-110 is underpowered, the LR TD-3/5 is a weak engine. Honestly the H1 is a fantastic tactical vehicle, it is far better than anything else I have seen and driven...G-Wagon or Defender. As for the LAV yes it is a POS.--Matt | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 723 Registered: 09-2002 |
"As for the Marines paving the way....Please. There are all of 50 thousand Marines on active duty. The Army has that many soldiers on Ft Hood alone. The only reason that the Marines are even involved in this current operation is to justify their existance. We will never do amphibious landing again." Matt...........Army Officer.....I'm calling b.s. on you. The reason there are only 50k Marines is because that is all we need. Marines have always done the most with the leaste. Leaste man power, the leaste equpment, ect. They are the most disciplined, most motivated, toughest of all the forces. You sound like a 2nd Lt. with a National Security sitting on your chest thinking you know it all. Take the same # of doggies and the same number of Marines, put them on a single task and see who does it better. | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2002 |
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| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2003 |
While nothing to do with Rovers... What a stupid thing to say about the Marines. While there is rivalry, I've never heard the officers I know in the Army utter such nonsense about the Marines. -Never do phib landings again? Look up the Falklands. And please tell all those people who are approving funding the billions of dollars worth of LHD, LSD's and LPD's that you are right and they are wrong. -Unlike the Army, several MEU’s are always within a few days sail of any of the hot spots (claimed 75% of the littorals within 5 days) in the world. That’s a forward deployed BLT of a few thousand troops with armor, artillery and organic air power with 2 weeks of supplies near the action, not stateside. -No digs meant at the army at all, just a different mission. Oh, and get your facts straight. The active duty personnel strength of the USMC has been over 170, 000 since 1950. | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 152 Registered: 10-2002 |
Only John has addressed the real lunacy here. The "off-road" traveling promoted by our "friend" here directly affects ALL OF US! I'm sure all of you have run into gates and land closures by the BLM and other entities and it's people like this that cause it! I really couldn't give a rat's ass about his opinions on IFS or how great the 03 RR suspension is. He'll only learn differently when he's stuck 50 miles from nowhere with a nonrepairable snapped axle, a busted air spring, or malfunctioning wet electronics. Be sure to wave as you drive by... | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Chris What did the USMC do in the Falklands? I was there in San Carlos Bay when the Sir Galahad went down, with all my 109 light guns on it, the LR XD110 and XD90 is a supreme fighting vehicle, and will be just as good as a H1 if not better, but tell me how much does a H1 cost? When LR`s here in the UK probably cost less than £15k I could buy 3 for your 1. I could go on and say that the British know one or two things about fighting wars, God knows we have started enough of them. We do have a lot of shit gear ( radios, boots, Sa80`s) but a LR is NOT one of them. Pete S. | ||||||
| John Elben (John_e) New Member Username: John_e Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Peter I hadn't realized the Sir Galahad went down in the Falklands - I thought she was badly damaged and then repaired. For some reason I thought the Sir Galahad that was the first aid ship into Umm Qasr a few weeks back was the same and not the next to use the name... (entered service in '88 I now learn from the RN news site) well, well. things one never expected to learn on discoweb... ;-) ps. I'm also looking forward to finding out what the USMC did in the Falklands. Maybe there's a confusion with Grenada...? John | ||||||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2002 |
If I may, I don't think Chris was talking about U.S. Marines in the Falklands. I believe he was just trying to prove a point on the viability of amphibious operations by Marines, wether they be U.S., or our Royal brethren. John brings up an excellent point with the amphib landings at Grenada as well. As to the comparison of Defenders and HMMWV's, while the HMMWV is a fairly fine vehicle in the desert, it's a POS in a non-trail wooded environ. Finally, given the original arguement, I offer this: What if Land Rover were to do what Toyota does with the Land Cruiser and HiLux/4Runner in many markets, offer IFS to the masses and straight-axle to those who are willing to pay for it? -Todd | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Todd What will happen is that LR will have to update the Defender,there will be distinctly different types, there will be a strictly utility version, vinyl seats and all, this will be aimed at the military and agricultural markets, this will have to be simple with things like beam axles and be able to be chucked out of the back of a C130 etc, we squaddies never needed airbags! we just watched out for bullets! Then there will have to be a SUV version, LR cannot ignore the majority of there customers, and yes this hurts me, but how many people go off road? 10% perhaps, even Volvo makes a SUV now! Ford is in this business for MONEY, and people complained when the first RR made them seasick. I think the new RR is for ultra wealthy wannabee off roaders ( or fat farmers) and in all honesty it would be pretty poor at anything really severe, and besides would anyone want to trash nearly £60-80k`s worth of car? This is what really holds us back and why the defender is so good, scratches and the odd scar are worn with a certain pride, you just look like a pillock with a big rip down the side of a 03 RR. I say forget off roading a RR, pointless, enjoy what you have in your D1`s. I will know that I will always be able to keep it going, I can still get parts for a 1948 S1, so While LR & Ford chase the silly money, I will be happy in my much used but loved D1. Oh and please live and let live, in Eire on holiday with my R1100GS I was bombing down a dirt track which I considered rough, only to be overtaken by a fool in a toyota celica, maybe that is the ultimate off roader, a hire car. take care Pete S. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi all Just a thought, if it wasn`t for your over protective superiors, the World would not need airbags, we have survived here for years with just seat belts. Maybe your bitching about not getting real land rovers is slightly your own fault. Best of luck Pete S. | ||||||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2002 |
Pete, I'll agree with you, Ford is in it for the money. What other reason is there for being in buisness? I was just wpsoing a what if, like, What if they listened to the hard-core wheelers out there? Using Toyota as an example again: Toyota makes there own version of a true off-roader in the 70 series trucks. The guys in the states may not know much about them, but, I would put one up against a Defender any day. Anyways, my point is that Toyota has a winning design with it and hasn't changed much since it was introduced in 84. But this truck isn't really designed for the masses, it's more for the true off-road outdoor types that know what they need/want. Then Toyota makes the 80/90/100/4runner types for the masses, all with IFS. However, if you don't want IFS and want to pony up the money, they will be more than happy to sell you a straight axle, lockers, just about anything. That way the 10% who truelly want it can have it, and the other 90% can have their mall-crawlers. Now, wouldn't it be nice for Land Rover to just give us that option? Fine, put the IFS/no-CDL trucks in the showroom, but, if somebody comes in the door wanting straight-axle and CDL, they can have it. Does it not make more sense to give all the customers what they want. Also, I'm pretty sure that anybody out looking for a new LR, given the option of getting what he/she specifically wanted in the truck, would be more than happy to wait a few months to be delivered. On a personal note, I had one of my Land Cruiser's into the dealership a couple of weeks ago to have the turbo looked at and was taking a look at the new 100's that they had. While flipping through the brochures, I noticed that the dealership was also selling things like lifted springs, mud tires, and the like as dealer options. Now to me, that's service .... get a new truck, setup the way you truelly want it, straight out of the dealer. -Todd | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Todd I think you may have misunderstood me, I think we are both saying the same thing. LR will have to make a "real" LR for the military, the question will be will this be available to anyone? certainly farmers and foresters need them to be simple, so I would guess they will still be available but made to order through someone like LRSV. This kind of works at the moment, when the new TD5 came out, the Third World cried, how can we fix this thing without a computer? LR had to continue to make vehicles for export with the 300Tdi, not sure if this has stopped now that LR have sold the engine to the Brazilians. But yes the British Army is just too big a customer to ignore. Who knows, lets wait and see what happens, I will still have my D1 so it doesn`t bother me that much. Pete S. | ||||||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 597 Registered: 10-2002 |
God I love a John Lee thread! Shaddup all you newbies complaining about the banter! Who said this site was a love fest... | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2002 |
well its not really a "JOHN LEE" thread yet....I have yet to see a incorrectly used racial comment. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sorry if I didn’t make it clear, of course I wasn’t implying that the USMC was involved in the Falklands, I was simply providing an example where, in the modern age, we have had a significant amphib landing. FYI, we are seeing a "new" Sir Galahad in the news. The previous ship to bear the name was damaged off Fitzroy Cove during the Falklands and subsequently scuttled by torpedo. I think Todd makes a great point. If they are not going to bring back the Defender, why not make a stripped more off road capable version of the Disco available? Not sure how that would play if the current Disco was IFS, but right now, look at how well the Rubicon is being promoted and do something similar. Would the few units that went this way really harm the upscale image that they seem to be going towards? Personally would love to buy a basic (less things to break) Disco with built in lockers, better axels and a bit more clearance. While perhaps not the penultimate rig that some on the board currently have, it would definitely fill in a gap. Alternatively, like some have previously mentioned, maybe the new disco will be a big seller (just not to people like us) and that a relatively basic and inexpensive Defender is brought back into the US market to plug the gap. Just my 2 cents. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Chris Thanks for clearing up the Falklands thing. What you`re asking just will not happen for you. The States is a really hard place for a foreign manufacturer to sell in. what you want is a basic defender, but you cannot fit airbags in a current defender, this would need to be designed in from the drawing board stage, this is why LR pulled the plug on defender sales in the states in the first place. Your best hope of a simple LR is I am afraid to wait 20 years or whatever it is and import a used Ex MOD 300Tdi XD90. Then go about your lockers lights and winches. I can never see LR making a basic off roader for the States, it is such a litigious society, one bad crash and it ends up like firestone tyres, This is why current 4WD`s are turning into soft roaders. Go figure Pete S. | ||||||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 814 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well, it's good to be home again! | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 724 Registered: 09-2002 |
I have a feeling that Matt Williams will now be quite. He seems to be upset at the Marines. I wonder if a Marine took his girl friend. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian, Ouch! Twist the knife in the guys back will ya! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 122 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, John and Richard.... Knock on my truck all you want..have a party, I didnt build it to please you...is the red one rolled, yup, sure is, do you have a point?? as for the mud, yup, I was stuck, brand new, street tires, and I got stuck, and jeep tried to pull me out...and in the end it was a big fat chev that managed to get us out...is there another point here--or wait, maybe you have never pulled a dumbass manuver...thats it... As to what John does, he resells parts. cool. what he used to do, I dont care.. Orange thingy on the roof, its called a grill2go. Go camping and you may eventually need one. Kyle and John you guys are idiots.. Richard, Im not for sure, he seems to have some intelligence although that being said I cant imagine for the life of me why he is backing you too...however..I can sum up all of your responses in one line.. Kyle: Dood, blow me, my truck is tuff Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff John: Fuckity, fuck, fuck,fucker, loser, fucker, loser, fuck, dood. oh and Chris..maybe you dont have any mountain passes where you live but when there are logging trucks on the roads and you have about 50 ft of visiblity, and lots of sharp corners..well, you put as many lights on as possible so you can be seen before you are hit... and as for the trails out here...well, if you dont like what I do then go hug a tree, the ones that are making the problems are the atv riders that are trashing trails etc.. dont expect that you would know this as all you have the california trails that are maintained etc...oh, and occasionally a run up the lionsback in Moab. way to go.... Bill over at GB rovers can attest to what the real trails out here are like, and what the treehugger issues are. So I'll keep responding to you as long as you want to keep posting. And as for the rest, my only point is that in the real world you would get your ass kicked for talking the smack you do, but its nice and safe to call someone an asshole and a liar from two states away. John..I still think youre a bitch. and an uneducated one at that.have a great day!! | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2003 |
Kyle: Dood, blow me, my truck is tuff Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff John: Fuckity, fuck, fuck,fucker, loser, fucker, loser, fuck, dood. I think I like Corky even better than supercharger boy. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey (AKA Moron) , you forget to answer my questions ? I thought you were going to school me ? I will take the ass whipping by the way.... Either is fine.... Or,,,,,,,just shutup.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 751 Registered: 02-2002 |
wow, what have i been missing. about a mile up on this thread i read the alleged advantages of IFS/IRS one mention that the miltary used it extensivley. this is very true, however, it is expensive to maintain (that is not now nor has it really ever been an issue in miltary design) it leaves little for customizing and in the miltary use in the heat of, lets call it passion and the damn thing breaks, they leave on the side of the road. a place i have seen many IFS vehicle sitting. yes change can be good, but the design of the new LR is too FORD for my taste so to excerise my "1ST admendment right of free speech", the new Disco is POS. mike w i know i know that only applies to Goverment infrigement but in todays climate of throwing meaningless garble about i need to let some fly. | ||||||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 125 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, is the following Supercharger boy reincarnated? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33741&item=241 2059660&rd=1 | ||||||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2002 |
Horay!!!! The Bad_Ass_Rover_boy is back!!! Now, where's John? | ||||||
| Jay Allen (Ironchefsea) New Member Username: Ironchefsea Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
This should be a good one | ||||||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 436 Registered: 03-2002 |
This is priceless | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Chris, Whatever you think, but look at the Jag/Taurus(YUCK!) All Ford will do is rob technology from Rover, neuter the vehicles, and make them as common as the Explorer. I can tell you for a fact, customer service and reliabilty from dealer service has gone to an all time low since Ford took over. My old Series is looking better everyday. | ||||||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 302 Registered: 09-2002 |
"As to what John does, he resells parts" Manny, Ho and John, that has a certain ring to it | ||||||
| Lawrence Tilly (L_tilly) Member Username: L_tilly Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2002 |
Everyone has opinions...mine's no better than anyone elses, but I'm going to throw a few of them into the mix anyway. I'm mostly speaking to the issues the updates to the Rovers (I'll leave personalities out of it for now...) A "classic" Disco & RR really are fantastic for what they do. They offer a well-balanced compromise between comfort and capability. When I got my D1 I went with as basic of a model as I could find (cloth seats, no sunroof, etc). This still got me dual climate control, decent sound system, very comfortable ride, full height back seats...in other words a great daily driver (I put 350+ miles / week). At the same time, it has proven itself as a very capable off-road vehicle during my outings with our local Rover club. I've done some very minor mods (OME HD, bumper chop, slightly more agressive rubber) to help a little, but overall it is very capable as-is for what we have here in NE. During this time period, these were still designed to be what I call Expedition-class vehicles. They assume that some people were using them to get into BFE and would want to come out the other end. It wasn't their primary market and definetly not their money-maker, but they still keep that in mind when they built these. Shit happens and things break and if it nails you 40 miles from the nearest pavement all the advanced options under the sun won't help you get home if you can't fix it with what you carry with you. People complain (rightly so) about the under-powered V8 in these, but it's REAL easy to work on and there's plenty of room under the hood to do it. I know people with newer domestic trucks that can't even change their own oil or plugs because of how the compartments are so tight. Sure it's not as easy to work on as (from what I'm told) a Series 2.25, or a 300TDi, but it's better than most alternatives. Likewise, a coil-spring suspension is easy and cheap to upgrade and repair. My wife complains about the roughness when driving the roads with frost-heaves, but loves the way it does what it's supposed to do when she's driving it up a rocky washout on the way up a local mountain (for you Colorado residents that's what we New Englanders call "hills"). I have read stories here on DWeb of people that have blown diffs or broke axles deep in the rocks and can limp the truck home or even fix it on the spot and keep going. That combination of comfort, capability and maintainability is what makes these the "best 4x4xfar". As Rover, or Ford, or anyone else "updates" these vehicles they need to keep that focus or the balance will shift. When I attended the LR Driving School in VT we used an '02 Disco with all the goodies. I liked the way it did its job and was impressed with what I could do with the truck. However the fact remains that it's a "smart system" and if that controller goes then you loose all the advantage it gave you. A CDL is a mechanical system that you physically engage and forget. If the suspension is "upgraded" to IFS but a great computer system is used to push the wheels down as needed, how good is that going to work when that computer goes Tango Uniform? How much will it cost to fix it? "New" does not always mean the same as "bad". I like that I have a fuel-injected engine. It starts reliably and runs well even on weird inclines. However, such a change is not as much of a compromise (how many people have lost their FI or their carb for that matter on the trail). Where simplicity and reliablity counts is often where the wheel meets the road (so to speak). The fact of the matter is that over the last few years Rover and now Ford appear to be shifting thier focus more in the direction of the soccer-mom. The balance is going to swing away from the person that requires a highly-reliable, easily maintainable, easily-modifiable expediation-class vehicle. It's their company and they're in it to make money and if they can increase their market share by making the truck drive more car-like they will do it. People will still buy it because it brings with it some of the Rover "mystique", but they do so also because it drives as well as their mini-van. I'm sad to see the changes being made, because I personally like the balance Rover struck in the mid 90s. The future Discos and RRs will probably be very good at what they are designed to do, but I don't think that is going to include long-term, hard working, in the shit driving. As a daily driver with some capable weekend playing, it'll probably equal or surpass your xterra, explorer, etc. That's just not enough for me. Lawrence lnctilly@metrocast.net 96 Disco "Beowulf" NH, USA | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 657 Registered: 09-2002 |
this is the fucking funniest thing i've ever read. Corey, you're marvellous. Please keep it coming. peter | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 189 Registered: 01-2003 |
This tread is a classic, starts as a 2005 disco thread welcomed to last week, turns into a John Lee flame war with a idiot, to a army/marine war with even Britsh army input, to defender envy. Wow this is great. Corey- You should shut the hell up. You act like your the only one that wheels here in Utah. Have you see Kyle and John Lee in the dweb moab video? You could borrow it from me sometime if you don't want to buy it, I live in SLC by the way, we can get some 3-2 beer and maybe you can see that they know what they are talking about. What does the word "dood" mean, I guess I have defiency in the command of the english language, but I don't understand or recognize that word. Kyle has thrown out some great arguements against the RR3, address them if you can, but don't just insult people because you can't win your point. You accused John or having the intellect of a junior high student, read the articulation he uses when he insults you, compare it to your own. Wanting to go out in the school yard and fight after school is quite junior high, but you were the first to try and route a fight. Trying to impress people with you wheeling accomplishments over the internet with out the pictures to back it up is not to credible. Your words; " ... And as for the rest, my only point is that in the real world you would get your ass kicked for talking the smack you do, but its nice and safe to call someone an asshole and a liar from two states away..." isn't that the same as not having real proof (moab video, look at there galleries here on dweb) of your hard core behavior? I know I have no gallery here on Dweb, no digital camera and time to scan the ones I have, but I don't try to impress people by saying I cross ravines or run Lions Back. What do you think hard core is? Have you run lower and upper helldorado, pritchett canyon, or the golden spike? How about in Colorado, independance, carnage canyon? I'm sorry you rolled a truck, but that doesn't mean you know what your talking about or your "hardcore" enought to insult people you haven't even took the time to see if they are bullshitting you or not. If you have a real arguement about a subject argue it, if you don't have anything then let it go. Few LR owners here in Utah actually trail run, every type of wheeler I have run into here in Utah has been really great people to meet and know. They are aware of the gift they get by being allowed to run trails, especially the ones I have met in the Unita's. Relax man, have a beer, go wheeling, just bring a real arguement if you have a real arguement, John Lee is someone who calls bull shit when he sees it, his is right, usually pretty harsh, but he seems to be right. Where did you roll your truck? About 6 weeks ago I scared the shit out of myself on Stanberry Island, cross slope angle was getting pretty high and I had to cross this mud patch, my ass slide and the rear tire hit a rock or something, I thought for sure I was going over, turned down slope and drove it out. I had to stop and catch my breath and change my underware. I can't even imagine what would have been like to roll like what was in your picture. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2002 |
"All Ford will do is rob technology from Rover, neuter the vehicles, and make them as common as the Explorer." What technology is there to rob? The old pushrod v-8? Certainly could not be the solid axels. If anything BMW could be accused of creating an SUV and stealing what? traction control? ;-) "as common as the Explorer" speaking of exploder, can anybody get a rear shot of a rear ifs explorer, navigator or expedition? Even a shot of a rear ifs mustang will do, I have seen that rear pumpkin and arm combination before, I just cant place it. Corey I am sure Bill @ GBR can tell some stories, but please do not affiliate yourself with him......I am positive he does not "cut" his own trail. John.....The only blazing Corey has EVER seen more than likely came from the pipe he smoked prior to losing all his brain cells. Corey, answer Kyle's questions, I would LOVE to hear your replies. It would CERTIFY your ignorance to the current topic. The most hilarious statement so far is that you honestly believe Kyle's truck is heavily modified. What makes HIS truck HEAVILY modified? Tires? Springs? Rack? Lights? Winch? Snorkel? Is it the Lockers? is that what makes him heavily modified? I REALLY want to know what you qualify as heavily MODIFIED vehicle. Go ahead knock me too....It will preserve your credibility as a certified PU$$Y | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 73 Registered: 04-2003 |
1996 Explorer rear:  | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 74 Registered: 04-2003 |
front:   | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2314 Registered: 04-2002 |
Nice shocks | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 566 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh no... Blue here not only have pictures of every part, nook and cranny of his Disco...he's got pictures of his wife's explorer too. I can only imagine what else is in that hard drive, or dare I ask.... LOL Glenn | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2002 |
sorry blue;-) the new(er) explorer, that has rear ifs. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 76 Registered: 04-2003 |
oh. I was confused by your comment "rear ifs" those pics are from my attempt to polish a turd | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yup , the new Exploder is just like the Birds in the ass end.... I would hope the rover has stronger arms and such on there but I doubt it. They jsut dont care about that market anymore. They care about the "Corey" market , the guys that just want the truck and the image and the "Idea" of it really going somewhere.. We have already seen how well they can sell to them.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2002 |
"those pics are from my attempt to polish a turd" ROFLMAO still LMAO "They care about the "Corey" market , the guys that just want the truck and the image and the "Idea" of it really going somewhere." As funny as that is...its sooooooo true | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2316 Registered: 04-2002 |
Blue, how do those shocks do on the exploder??? I like them on my disco but wonder how they would do on a more 'limber' vehicle. Just curious. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sorry for the late reply. Unpacking pallets and packing orders here. I can't believe I'm taking time out of the workday to respond to this loser, but he's clearly shown that he is an asshole as well as a dumbass, so he needs to be responded to. Corey, I read your last post and I must say that it is all your usual meaningless bullshit. I was looking forward to your responses to Kyle's substantive points. I'm sure your points would have been hilarious to read. But of course you had nothing real to say. So instead you fall back on your usual tactic of coming back with meaningless statements. That's all you have and that's all you'll ever have. "I can sum up all of your responses in one line.. Kyle: Dood, blow me, my truck is tuff" That's a very convenient way for you to avoid Kyle's substantive questions to you. You say you can go at this all day. Kyle asks you substantive questions about the 03 Rangie and asks for your response. I and others second Kyle's request. And this is your response. Again, that's all you have in that little brain of yours. You know jack shit about trucks but you do know that if you actually responded it would reveal how little you actually know and would trigger a flood of laughs from all concerned. But you're such a stubborn asshole and can't admit this, so instead you try to belittle Kyle with another chickenshit attempt to frame Kyle's position from "Corey, you don't know what you're talking about" to "I am the king of the world". Kyle never claimed he was tough. Remember, you're the one who first made the claim that a stocker 03 Rangie could kick Kyle's trucks ass on the trail. Kyle never brought that up. You bought it up. But now that you know that position was untenable, you now try to frame it as Kyle bragging about his trail prowess. I said it before and I'll say it again. This is chickenshit and it's a pathetic pattern of conduct on your part. Because you have nothing else to go on, you resort to trying to exaggerating everyone else's positions to try to make them appear absurd. That's all you have. You're such a stupid fuck you can't think of anything else. "Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff John: Fuckity, fuck, fuck,fucker, loser, fucker, loser, fuck, dood." Whatever I said above relating to your response to Kyle goes here. This is all you got? This is it you pathetic loser? Can't you come back with anything real? "well, if you dont like what I do then go hug a tree, the ones that are making the problems are the atv riders that are trashing trails etc.. dont expect that you would know this as all you have the california trails that are maintained etc...oh, and occasionally a run up the lionsback in Moab. way to go.... " You stubborn little prick. So you're going to stick to your position that blazing your own trails was rightful and justified? You fucking asshole. If you ever get a trail closed, you'll deserve whatever comes your way. And all of this for a bullshit story? I doubt you've ever blazed your own trails. From the looks of your gallery, you drive on dirt roads and that's it. But first to lie about blazing your own trails and then sticking to the position that such conduct is justified and rightful is just shameful. You remind me of those assholes rioting during the L.A. Riots. It wasn't enough that they were tossing bricks at people's heads, they were dancing and posing while they were doing it. They weren't even ashamed of their conduct. You dick. You make all fourwheelers look like assholes. And incidentally, it also pisses me off that you blame the ATV's for all the trail damage when you're the one who's purportedly blazing his own trails. Furthermore, do you think the environmentalists will be satisfied if ATV's are outlawed? Get real. You're next after the ATV's are gone. The environmentalists are smart and just taking things one step at a time. And morons like you are helping their cause in several ways. You're just a piece of white trash. And you're a liability to fourwheelers everywhere. "Bill over at GB rovers can attest to what the real trails out here are like, and what the treehugger issues are." Actually, I'm pretty good friends with Bill Davis. Next time I talk with him, I'll try to remember to ask him what he thinks about you (assuming he even remembers who you are). I'm really curious what Bill thinks. "So I'll keep responding to you as long as you want to keep posting." OK. Let's recap here. You're now saying you that you'll keep this up as long as I keep posting. Your story has changed over and over. First you said what you're saying now. Then you said you would drop it. And now you're responding, but with meaningless bullshit. So my request to you is this. If you're inclined to respond (and you're saying that you are but you've lied before so I have no idea if you mean now what you say), please respond to Kyle's substantive questions. I'd dearly love to read your responses, as I'm sure others would as well. Also, if you're going to respond, respond with something real and not your typical meaningless bullshit. Tell why you think what you do. "And as for the rest, my only point is that in the real world you would get your ass kicked for talking the smack you do, but its nice and safe to call someone an asshole and a liar from two states away." This is another meaningless statement. I'm calling you an asshole and a liar because that is what you are. If you think I'm a coward, whatever. Also, you posted previously that you'd post your address if I requested it. Well, I'm requesting it now. No, I'm gonna drop what I'm doing and drive to Utah to fight with you. Get real. I just want to know your address. You posted before you would if I wanted it. I want it. Now follow up on it. Post your address. "John..I still think youre a bitch. and an uneducated one at that.have a great day!!" Yeah, whatever. Have a great day? Bless you Sir. Same shit. You're really saying "Fuck off" but you're such a chickenshit loser you can't say it. This is yet another lie of your chickenshit mouth. Don't you ever say what you mean? And I hate to sound so redundant but I'll say it again. Please respond. But respond with something real. By "real", I mean: (1) Answer Kyle's questions. (2) Post your address. Anything else you come back with is just meaningless bullshit. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 95 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if the headlights of my D1 will fit on the 2003 Explorer... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 78 Registered: 04-2003 |
Carter, I wouldn't call the Explorer "limber"...look at this IFS axle drop:  We picked this thing up used as a babymobile and it was all over the road at speed, particularly on the highways. I replaced the tired old stock shocks with OME's from EE (just called Ho & dood John to see what was available and they made it happen). After new shocks and a set of Michelins, it's a nice, comfy cruising mobile. My wife wants me to lift it, but I don't even want to go there with this IFS shit. Unless, of course, Corky will impart his wisdom on me and help my dumb ass through it... | ||||||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2003 |
Just ask Corey- He'll know exactly what to do. Just make sure you get a snorkel, because it can't go for 10-15 seconds without fresh air like the new RR. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2317 Registered: 04-2002 |
he he, thats some mad flex there 'Limber' was a bad wording choice, a 'softer' suspension (set up primarily for street performance) is what I really meant I guess. So no "Big O's" for the explorer huh??? | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1342 Registered: 02-2002 |
Guys, is this thread why I'm not getting any responses to my posts asking for real-world experience? We aren't all mall crawling poseurs are we (I know I'm not and have the scratches on my truck to prove it!)? Cut this out and let's get back to technical stuff. I need info on power steering gearbox seal replacement and pulleys that will fit Rover serpentine belts and Saginaw pumps-or Peter will give up on my ever getting the project done and I'll get in even more trouble for the oil spills in the parking lot from my truck. Gotta love those New Pig oil-only sorbents! Yes, Bill, I'm sure you're the only one who got that. I'm off to write an SPCC plan for my truck. Peace, Paul Oh yeah, the injector cleaning was a success, gas mileage increased almost 50%, but it still cranks forever to start and you have to give it some gas. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 79 Registered: 04-2003 |
Actually, the Disco's front flex isn't much better (although opposing force on the opposite side would help via the solid axle). The difference is that I can MAKE the Disco's front flex better. Now I see what you mean about softer suspension...I like em tight, not loose & sloppy. No Big O's for the Ford...just a set of top-of-the-line Michys to go with that big V8. But a snorkel would be cool | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 80 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL, an SPCC plan for your Rover. Shit, some Rovers need BMP's, APP's, and NPDES permits too. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2318 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yeah sometimes I have a hard time putting my thoughts into the proper wording... This is mostly because I am a mensa with an unusually high IQ, so I am sorry if my complexity confuses you I guess those wheels tuck up further in the wheel wells than I am imagining. Michellin makes great tires, I just hope I can afford some XZLs when my BFGs wear out (8.25s not 9.0s, don't worry ) | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1343 Registered: 02-2002 |
Don't forget the Title V for when you're in open loop mode, and 404 (a) when mudding. I think I can keep it out of OPA though, now to find a PE to certify it. Yesterday, my assistant calls me and tells me that she has received numerous reports of a vehicle leaking a huge amount of a red liquid onto the parking lot and it's my vehicle. Then, she tells ME to go clean it up because of the stormwater implications. Oh, the embarrassment. When I worked for the power company, we had to send out the guards at the nuke plant to look under cars for oil leaks because the parking lot discharges went to Lake Michigan... Peace, Paul Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron, Ok, OK...I agree, Ford engineers wouldn't have enough sense to use technology that is virtually bullet-proof, extremely capable, simple and durable for decades. Thus...the neutered vehicles. In case you haven't figured it out, I HATE Ford :-) | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2002 |
"In case you haven't figured it out, I HATE Ford :-)" Good then we can agree to disagree. But if you tell me you like Chevy than you'll have to give me your address so that I can drive accross the country and beat the Mensa out of you ;-) | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corey, Im now feeling sorry for you, as you are failing to see that every step you take leads you further and further into the mine field... The response you get is because of the behavior pattern you are following, not because you have an opinion. Everyone on here is allowed an opinion, but however, how they express it and handle the discussion of it when questioned on it counts for the respect you may or may not receive about it. You have a major flaw, you dont stick to the issue, and you personalize with your own character flaws your argument. John has already provided many examples with your flawed argument techniques and I will now point one more out. "Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff " It is quite clear to anyone reading this thread, that I never said, implied, or inferred anything of the sort. You drive a D1 dont you? Thats whay I drive... so ergo, I would be dissing my own truck, which isnt the case... Do you see how moronic this is? That is why you have incurred the wrath of people like Kyle, and John. My argument with you is simply over the IFS issue, and now your apparent lack of personal communication skills. You dont have to like or respect Kyle or John, but you should respect their knowledge. I dont know Kyle at all, but I have dealt with John a bit through his business, but I do know a bit about them. They should be respected for their knowledge and experience with Land Rovers if nothing else. I dont always agree with them, but if I need information , or people to wheel with , I would wheel with them anyday. So I will end with this advice again... You sow'ed what you reap'ed from "how" you made your point, not because you wanted to make one. I also believe stronly you are not married and dont have a girlfriend. They would NEVER let you pull these bullshit adolescent arguments and would have trained it out of you if you had one. | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1346 Registered: 02-2002 |
I still don't know what's involved with replacing the pinion shaft seal on a power steering pump. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2003 |
you need a HASP for that, Paul | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1347 Registered: 02-2002 |
HASP? | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2002 |
yes a HASP! ;-) | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 726 Registered: 09-2002 |
What is a hasp? | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 83 Registered: 04-2003 |
Health and Safety Plan | ||||||
| Derek Reed (Dmr) New Member Username: Dmr Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2002 |
It tells you not to drop things on your head or drink the brake fluid. One should be required before performing any work on a leaking Rover. It has something to do with one's Health and Safety. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 727 Registered: 09-2002 |
Does it say anything negative about drinking beer and working on the thing? | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron, No problem on the agreeing to disagree. Lotsa fun to have lively discussions. My nick is "Rovernut", you figure out which marque I like, HInt, it's not Ford or Chevy. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2002 |
"HInt, it's not Ford or Chevy" LOL I figured as much.... | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 275 Registered: 08-2002 |
Paul, With all that "red liquid" leaking from your truck discharging into stormwater which I assume discharges ultimately to Lake Michigan...congratulations you are now a PRP. A 104(e) is on its way to you as we speak !! Remember CERCLA can be fun !Also, while your hunting down that PE to signoff on the SPCC make sure your HASP is written by a CIH. | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2003 |
Where the hell did Corey go? After reading his last post...dood, fuckity, fuck, tuff truck...blah,blah,blah, I take back what I said about Corey 50 posts ago....."he can't be that much of a loser if he owns a Rover". Rather, knowing what I know now, I GUESS LOSERS CAN HAVE ROVERS TOO! I guess you haven't posted in such a long time because you are madly researching for a response to Kyle's questions - because you obviously don't know shit. Compared to who you're argueing with, I don't know shit either but at least I'm not ranting aimlessly about this stuff like a lunatic. I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt until your last post and you're wrong - YOU WERE TAKING YOUR LICKS - you're just too stupid to realize it. You must have an extremely high pain threshold. Do the right thing and slink off into the shadows, lick your wounds and return when you have completed your grade 12. Or...complete your research and blow everybody away with an educated response...really no need to bash anyone when you return either - NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY. Okay, take care then..bye, bye. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian, As for the National Defense, yes I have a couple of them ..who cares. Anyone in the military, (any branch) knows that the services poke fun at each other. I know a lot of great guys who are Marines. My grandfather was with the 4th DIV on IWO JIMA. So I have no personal thing against the Marines. As for who is better.. again who cares. Tha Marines are moving into traditional Army missions because the traditional Marine missions are going away. Recently the Marines even gave command of the Forced Recon over to the Special OPS national command authority. This is the first time that the Marines have ever allowed Forced Recon to be lumped in with the other special ops units like the Special Forces, and Seals. The H1 s expensive but cost the US less to buy than Defender.The Army pays about 35K for a H1 the Ranger Battalion pays nearly double that for a defender. -Matt | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 182 Registered: 08-2002 |
WTFAYTA???? -Chris | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 728 Registered: 09-2002 |
Matt, You probably already figured it out, but I was a Marine, and yes we all did make fun of each other. Interservice rivalry is important. Competition is what makes people better. What caught me off gaurd was that this is not the correct forum for that kind of comment. I have never heard an officer of any branch dig at another service publicly. Missions change all the time and that is one of the reasons Marines are so effective. Because of their relatively small size they are able to cahnge and adapt more efficiently than the other branches. Also, it is not uncommon for sects of the branches to fall temporarily under the command of another branch. A Joint Task Force is an example of this. I was part of JTF160 that operatied in GTMO. I worked directly for a LTCOL in the JAG office. (Marine) who reported to a BGEN (Marine). We had USAF officers, Army officers, Marine officers and Navy officers all working on this operation. When my LTCOL was rotated back to the states he was replaced by a COL (USAF) who reported to the BGEN(Marine)during which time I worked with Army MP who reported to me. Not positive, but the Iraq operation was probably a JTF and all the branches worked with each other on the same mission. Even when I was in (discharged Dec 95) some of the branches were talking about absorbing the Marines. I highly doubt that will ever happen. There will always be a mission for the Marines. Missions will change and so will the Marines. My reaction was stired by your statement on this board and I felt it was inapropriate here. In the bar or the club I would debate you all nite and buy the beer too. And the next night would be your turn to buy. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 72 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Matt Are you on drugs? Tell me that the US government pays $70.000 for a Defender, I will personally ship them over myself. I can buy them at about £15,000 each, I will then sell at £44,000 to the army and make £29,000 each less shipping. Oh for fucks sake get real you fool, in the end you`ve started believing all the shit they told you. Pete S. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 73 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt I think you are an embarrassment to both youself and to your country, we would never argue like a couple of schoolgirls, and never in a public place, BB or public bar. We go into a ring with gloves on, soon sorts out the wankers. If the US army and marines are so good, how come so many members of the coalition forces, and reporters bought the big ticket, professional, don`t make me laugh, I would give you less than ten minutes on the Lower Falls Road. Pete S. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian, you are right, my comment was misplaced on this forum. Anyway..as for Pete S well when your little country provides more than a battalion to the fight then you can make comments like you did. people die in war, it is as simple as that. To say what you did is pretty crappy. If your military was as grand as you make it out to be then why has your great empire been reduced to an insignificant little island off the coast of Europe? I hate to think that all of the members of your military are a arrogant as you. The again maybe that answers my question about the current state of your nation. How is socialism working out for you these days? | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Matt I was merely pointing out that to discuss such things here is a gross breach of your countrys security. And one that would not be tolerated here, this would jeopardize any operation. And as a matter of fact our economy is doing all right, and anyway who needs an empire, we have moved on, pity we cannot all have such a brilliant foreign policy, just like you guys. And as far as troop numbers go, we believe in quality not quantity. Anyway I am bored of this, and want to enjoy my Land Rover, which after all is BRITISH. Take care Matt, and remember who your friends are. Enough said Pete S. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt & Peter, As a dual national (UK/US), I'm pretty embarressed by BOTH of your last posts regarding the professionalism of both countries militaries. Thats total BS and I hope you know it. Clearly the French provide a better target, and this is certainly not the forumn for it. FYI Matt, you seem to alway get your numbers wrong, by a significant factor. The brits sent rougly a division of ground troops. When you include the RAF and navy, thats over 40,000 troops with their buts on the line, far more than the 1,000 you give them credit for. | ||||||
| Patrick Kullenberg (Kullenberg) New Member Username: Kullenberg Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2002 |
AMEN!! | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2003 |
This is now the official ARGUING thread... heheheh | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peter, O.K. lets just put this to bed. As Chris said, the French are a better target. The U.S. is lucky to have the british people as friends and now that I look back on it my comments about your "empire" were a little mis-placed. Anyway I am just thankfull that things turned out as they did over in the gulf. We are all lucky that more soldiers did not loose their lives both British and American. As for enjoying my Land Rover well if all those rattles and squeekes would stop it would be so much better. By the way if you have any idea on how to import a 110 for 20 thousand dollars let me know.--Matt | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 733 Registered: 09-2002 |
AAAhhh...Matt....You have now discovered the mystery of LR. Squeeks and rattles and leakes. We prefer to call that character. Now you can wonder why you didn't chew your arm off that morning you woke up with a LR, perhaps wishfull oblivian, but now you are here. And, I may be wrong, but damb if you didn't fall in love with that ugly thing. It is too late now. Welcome NewBee. | ||||||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
And we end on a peaceful post.............. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 454 Registered: 05-2002 |
Wow! What a read! Anyone who puts thier ass on the line is king IMHO. I don't care where they hail from or what branch. However Matt, you need to chill. To place yourself or your comrades above the Brits or Marines is simply foolish and will make you a target worse than the French in any forum...I would hope. Now back to Crokey, Cory, whoever: Andy hit it right on the head. Please stop embarrassing the other folks in Utah. There are actually quite a few and you make us look stupid. High Uintahs? Jeez dude. Please show me one trail up there that a stock Disco, Jeep, or XTerra could not make it through with ease. I have done them all both stock and modified and hesitate to waste my time if it were not for the beutiful screnery. Since most of the High Uintas are protected by wilderness BS, I will personally turn your ass in if I catch you trailblazing there. Don't even test me on this. You may (or may not) be a customer of Bill at GBR. Either way, please do not use his name to try to give yourself merit. Bill runs a first class outfit and would likely not support any of your stances. I do not want to speak for him, but you are out of line by even mentionaing his name as a voucher for your credibility. You should email myself or Andy offline and set a wheeling date. This might help prevent you from saying such screwed-up crap in public. I will be much nicer in person than I am now, but you currently have me agitated so forgive any ill will in my writing. Curtis | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 75 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt I wish I could help get you a Defender, it is a pity and a sentiment shared no doubt by LR themselves! I am sorry if my comments hit you hard, but I feel passionate about our guys fighting where ever that may be. I have long left but the feelings never go away. There are companys that will import an older defender, maybe you fancy coming over and sourcing one, having a holiday, sticking it into a container and picking it up again in NY. I for one will do some footwork and help you, and I`ll even buy you a drink. Great thread though, not sure what half this has to do with a 2005 Disco?!!!!! Take care Pete S | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey could have pulled out nicely had he just said he was a dumb ass and maybe shouldnt have opened his mouth. I can understand having a hard head but god damn , legs to stand on are priority first.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 301 Registered: 04-2001 |
Kyle and John, How many 03 RRs have you been in? Offroad? How many have you fixed? How many "weak CV joints" have you replaced? Just wondering what you are basing all this wonderful information on? I mean you must be correct with your extensive experience with the vehicle. I want to pick one of the off lease ones in a few years, but if you are so sure they are crap I won't. Ron | ||||||
| Todd Phenneger (Toddp) Member Username: Toddp Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2002 |
Everyone go buy a bunch of 4.6l D2's. That way there will plenty available in 3 years when I want to get one used. :-) I'd love to buy a new D2 and keep it in Great shape to last me 10+ years. Oh well. Maybe I can buy a 40k mile example in 3 years and be happy. l8r Todd | ||||||
| Alan Greening (Alan_g) New Member Username: Alan_g Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
I would rather push my Land Rovers than drive one with a french engine. | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 52 Registered: 09-2002 |
Wow, I stopped reading this post at 107 entries, and when I rechecked it today-its only gotten worse! To actually make a comment about the original subject-the 05 Disco is the reason why I hope Richard's 2.8L switch works, so I can follow in his footsteps in the future. Now, on to the real reason I am going to reply: Matt, As an officer of Marines I feel compelled to point a few problems with your postings, I won't tread where the others here have gone as they have done well to point out your blatantly false information, but a few things need to be addressed: 1) The Marine Corps is not moving in on traditional Army missions, if anything the opposite is true-as evident by the move the "lightweight" Brigade concept with your so-called POS LAV (more on that in a minute), as well as the Army's embracing of the maritime prepositioning concept-another idea we came up with that you are now copying b/c it makes sense. 2) The reason why we are in Iraq now is b/c we can get there with a credible fighting force composed of ground combat, logistical, air and C2 assets without breaking the back of our nation's meager shipping infrastructure. 3) The concept of amphibious landings is not dead. To illustrate this with a very modern example lets take Operation Enduring Freedom. The number 72 is important here, in planning for this CENTCOM asked how long it would take the USMC force offshore (and to a limited extent in Pakistan) to get into AF, 72 hours was the qouted response. The army's response was 72 as well, 72 DAYs. Obviously we saw how that went down, we moved inland from amphibious shipping in a manner never before seen in modern warfare. To further discredit your analysis lets look at the first gulf war, the threat of an amphibious landing tied up a number of Iraqi divisions defending the coast while the Army was off on the vaunted "left hook". 4) other comments, in no particular order: The LAV is very good for its intended purpose, its not a tank nor an IFV, but it is a capable platform given its limitations. The UK forces assigned in Iraqi Freedom did an outstanding job of aquitting themselves, as they always do when they are employed-to slight them at all is reprehensible as a proffessional of arms. Be very careful when you lash out at other services, someone with 13 years of service should have done enough Professional Military Education to know the doctrine and military history that our joint services embrace, but as a refresher let me point out that 3 of the most significant advances in military tactics in the 20th century were led by the USMC: 1) Amphibious landing in their modern, effective form; 2) Vertical envelopment; and lastly 3)effective combined arms. Perhaps your input exemplifies why your institution is having such a hard time under the current Sec Def. It is unfortunate as I have a great many friends in the Army-both from college and from a recent resident PME school, and they deserve to be better represented than what is being shown here. r- Ray | ||||||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 530 Registered: 07-2002 |
I like the LAV's, they certainly serve their purpose. It is interesting to see that they have really stuck with the larger 8 wheel version (That may be just the Marines though) when for a long while the Army was argueing that they needed the LAV for urban work. Then we see that not only did the S.F. and others use Toyotas and LR's during this conflict and the last, but they started shipping them into our troops after the war began, obviously realizing how important it is to have a small, very mobile, weapons and troop transport in this type of war. For instance, not just anyone can get into a LAV or Bradley and take off down the road with your squad. But with a LR, you don't need special training; it is small and less visible; capable in town and off-road; tough and reliable although not armoured; and versital as far as what you can carry and the modifications you can make to it within a given envelope. If you apply the same principles to the LAV and other vehicles you wont have vehicles trying to do things that they shouldn't, and being really good at what they are intended to do. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 85 Registered: 04-2003 |
If the US army and marines are so good, how come so many members of the coalition forces, and reporters bought the big ticket - Peter Sharratt You've got a lot of nerve spouting shit like this, you ignorant fuck. | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
No!!!!! This can't end!!!!! Corey, you are not going to let everyone have warm fuzzies and just let this die. People are saying nice things about Fords and Jags, the Marines are saying nice things about the Army, the Disco owners are saying nice things about Hummers. We can't have this, say something stupid. I have spent all day reading this. For what....so I could see what babbel would come out. Just one more post for old time sake. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
Peter was probably listening to the Dixie Chicks when he posted that Blue | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2003 |
he probably IS a dixie chick | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1357 Registered: 02-2002 |
Bill: This should work. My truck doesn't leak, gets 2 gazillion miles per gallon, I no longer need my viagra prescription and the gaseous emissions from my alimentary tract are pleasant smelling. All because I own a Land Rover. My bank account is empty and my wife left me for a guy driving a Liberty-but the rest is true. That should keep the thread going. Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 662 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron, time will tell how good the CV joints are. Peter | ||||||
| Scott Hayes (Scott_h) Member Username: Scott_h Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2002 |
After reading an interview with Fords CEO in the WSJ I am afraid the Disco may be headed to the likes of the explorer. It seems that the way they design vehicles now is that they have project engineers that are assigned to each vehicle. They don’t borrow stuff from each other, so they reinvent the wheel quite often. This means it take them about 3 years to come out with a new model. What they are doing to address this is they moved over the former President of Mazda (that Ford owns most of) to run Product development. At Mazda he was able to turn around that branch and allow them to introduce new models in 1.5 to 2 years. Which allowed them to better react to market trends. He also made the engineer’s start working together, using chassis from different models to create multiple vehicles, decreasing costs dramatically. Ford has used other chassis to build some models on before (the excursion was initially built on the pickup chassis) when they had to get a product out quickly. Now they are going to borrow chassis from all product lines and make different vehicles from them. So what’s my point? Well, Im afraid that the Disco will become the explorer, even more so than it is now. Since Ford is bleeding cash, they need to roll out new models quickly and also achieve economies of scale to decrease costs, makes business sense, but doesn’t help our cause much. My .02 Scott H | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ron ? How many different makes of vehicles have you actually "Worked on" ? How many with CVs? Out of that , how many have you actually fixed and not made worse ? CVs are historically weak and after everything gets all nice and upgraded they are still there breaking. There is an ongoing war against CV breakage in every single model truck that runs them hard. The rover has problems with them right now and they arent run at compound angles. What do you think running them at compound angles is going to do ? You planning on that working out real well ? Lets not talk about the New RaRo like its some new innovative shit. Its just converted to a system that other car makers have been using for years in people movers... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 318 Registered: 04-2001 |
So what you are saying is you have no experience. Bet you have not even seen one up close. I made no claims about anything, just questioning where you get your info and clearly you are basing it on conjecture. I would love to see the insides of one but so far the need has not arisen. I cannot even tell you the size or spline count on the cvs. Ron | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 667 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron, what the heck are you talking about? i don't think there's a whole lot of people wheeling their rovers who had never seen a blown CV joint. And, as Kyle pointed out, the compound angle on a straight-axled rigs is quite a bit smaller than that on an independently suspended rig. Let's see. Chevy trucks have a decent reliability record with their CV joints - but how many of them are running full-time? And a new RaRo weighs just as much as a Tahoe with all the bells and whistles, and may be geared lower. The other grief is the monocoque layout. My old Rangie was rear-ended 3 times, every time reasonably hard. Not a scratch. My brother's JGC was rear-ended twice, on the first time the passengers didn't even feel it - but it made it to the frame machine. It has never been the same since. So, can we expect a new RaRo to be just as reliable and stout as the old junk? Maybe. But you have no experience at that, either. Now, back to the top. What vehicle do you think a new Disco will share parts with? Range Rover? Navigator? Explorer? or XC90? Price-wise, it is headed to the Explorer category. And it may as well share the fate of Jaguar - Ford did make it a better vehicle, overall, but i can't help noticing the Crown Victoria-styled taillights. Personally, I couldn't care less what happens to the Discovery line. There's enough trucks around to keep me and my kids rolling, and they may get outlawed altogether farther down the road. My friendly dealership will spend 40 minutes on an old fart buying himself a Porsche wristwatch and not have 5 minutes to bring me a set of brake pads, so if it disappears from the face of the earth there will only be a small invenience. You may have some vested interest in maintaining some sort of a "vehicular heritage," and that I understand. peter | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peter, What is service like in England for a Land Rover owner? Over here LR is a premium brand and at least in my experience the dealer service has been very good. What is it like over there? As far as the Disco line goes well, in about 2 years when I am ready to buy again I will do the same thing that I did with my 99 DII. Take advantage of the terrible re-sale value and buy a 03 DIII in 05. Save 20 thousand dollars and be happy with my last disco nefore Ford has a chance to make any changes.--Matt | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 77 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt Main Dealer prices are big money here as well, but there are so many independent garages, that this is never really a problem, I am good friends with a Main dealer LR mechanic and get all my parts at a discount price, and I get to borrow any special tools if need be at weekends. Boy I have to say though Matt, did we rattle some cages on this thread or what? And Blue, I am not ignorant, just posting the facts, as an ex serving member of the armed forces, I am more patriotic than most, I would have given anything to be out there with my mates, so rather than just pick out little comments, read it in its entirity, and then comment. I am not anti war nor anti American. Take it easy, before you induce a stomach ulcer! Pete S. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2002 |
Now here is ole ROn , wading in with Corey. How ironic. Ron , get under many different GMs and Fords and you will be looking at the same damn thing your looking at when you get under that rangie. People mover.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1359 Registered: 02-2002 |
Matt: I'd sure like to know what dealership you're visiting, or, I'd like to share what you've been smoking. I recently visited the nearest dealership to me, to look at a Freelander as a daily driver. After parking my lifted dirty Disco in their lot and walking around and poking beneath the Freebie for more than 20 minutes, I had not even been approached by a salesman, or anyone else for that matter. When I have foolishly asked about service, I had a similar experience. If they don't even want to try to sell another Rover to a current Rover owner I don't know how they expect to sell any more. I suppose they assumed I was so upset by the experience I've had with my current truck that I'd never wish to own another, far less a new one. I'm still driving my trail rig daily. The new CTS caddies are pretty cool looking, maybe their dealers will treat me better. BTW-this time at the LR dealer, I was attired in khakis and a white button-down... Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 123 Registered: 09-2002 |
While Im not backing off any of my positions I never meant to come off that I had more knowledge than John or anyone for that matter, I think what I got more bent out of shape about was that I was trying to be pretty civil in my disagreements and what I got in response was a whole lot of "you fucking moron", "you fucking loser" etc... so yeah I was pissed, and irritated, I didnt expect to get that kind of treatment even out of a disagreement. I could argue points here back and forth all day but it wont go anywhere. I will still have my point of view and you will still have yours. Im just a bit disappointed that when there is any disagreement it results in immediate personal bashing, at least where John and Kyle are concerned. I will not order anything from Rovertym or EE, ever, and I will be sure to tell anyone I know to do the same. That being said I would like to say that this board is a great place for knowledge and exchange, and its gotten me out of many a tight spot and provided many a day of amusement. Thanks!!--Corey(btw-John- you have mail) | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 251 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , I am about to die laughing. Poor Rovertym John.....Another example of your brilliance. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2145 Registered: 02-2002 |
Why the heck do you bring Rovertym into this, Corey? JBS isn't in the middle of this thread, anywhere.... -L | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 252 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think what Poor Corey meant to say was not to buy anything from "Rover solutions". You got that ? DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ROVER SOLUTIONS... I hear the owner is an ass.... atleast he aint a dumb ass , eh Corey ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 571 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL... man, if you look at the first post of this thread, it started as a very innocent thread about the article in some website... hehehe... who would've thought Oh yeah, I hear that the owner of Roversolutions don't know shit about off-roading too  Glenn | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 275 Registered: 02-2003 |
rover solutions , do they actually make anything?? rd | ||||||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 825 Registered: 08-2002 |
Poor John. He's at home getting over shoulder surgery, and losing orders at the same time. | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 572 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL... no, I think Rover Solutions is just a poser website with a cool hendrix soundtrack. Glenn | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1499 Registered: 02-2002 |
Matt, in my absence you made a comment: "The Marines are moving into traditional Army missions because the traditional Marine missions are going away." That's a whole lotta crap. The truth is that you guys are slow at getting off your ass. period. When the Commander-in-Chief picks up the horn asking for you to make shit happen, he doesn't want to hear that it's going to take a while to get there. He wants action before he hangs up. Corky, Thanks for bringing some life back into DWEB. | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 53 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul, You'll see that he hasn't quite responded to that retort from either yourself nor I-but at least it gives us the opportunity to push this thread on longer and longer. | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2148 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol.... I had tuned out on this thread and came back in to read it last night; I was really ready to hunt him down after I read what he had said, but after your post, Ray, I didn't see the need to say anything, you said it well. Longer and longer, eh? lol... What was that other thread that hit 300? -L | ||||||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 828 Registered: 08-2002 |
I think it was the boy scouts. | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1500 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well Ray, History doesn't lie. Corky Lies, but not history. | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 54 Registered: 09-2002 |
Leslie, I did like how he ignored the commentary and carried on-to then talk about great dealer service-which is an automatic flame nomination, I couldn't even respond to that one, my angst with the dealership is too much to publish here. | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 192 Registered: 01-2003 |
Leslie- I believe you are refering to the h2 thread, imagine this whole thread and no h2 bashing. | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2003 |
Kyle, I have no experience with the 03 RR and know next to nothing about them. Ron asked you a direct question about your experience with 03RR CVs:
Your answer twice now to him is they are "people movers" without any statement about how many 03RRs CVs you have worked on. Ron's not wading in with Corey, he just wants you to substantiate where you get your information from the same you wanted of Corey. If it's first hand, say so. If it's as Ron says, by conjecture, then say it is. You asked Corey good direct questions regarding his knowledge and where he gets it and he clearly avoided those questions. Ron is asking the same of you and you're not faring much better. Just my observation from the sidelines. SD | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2002 |
"CVs are historically weak and after everything gets all nice and upgraded they are still there breaking." I believe he answered the question | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
I don't believe so. He was asked how many 03RR CVs he's worked on. Saying they are historically weak isn't an answer to that question. While it is a true statement, it's avoiding the question. The correct answer is something like: 20 or 50 or zero. SD | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2149 Registered: 02-2002 |
No, Andy, that's not the one. I KNOW which one I'm thinking of, that went past 300.... But we shouldn't dredge THAT up.... -L | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2002 |
A CV is A CV - you can use better materials, innovative engineering you can even call them something else. The basic engineering is still the same. So its not a matter of if he worked on a RR CV or a Honda CV the engineering is still the same. Once you begin to move it away from its original purpose and design it will fail, no matter what you do to "improve it". Lift the RR and the CV angle changes resulting in more stress at all the joints, stress causes heat, heat causes failure. Now add the continuing force of the wrong angle and place 2500 to 3500 lbs of weight plus torque from the motor and additional stress from the ETC and you too will design a website asking for handouts to help repair your rover. So my point is Kyle could have NEVER looked at at the new RR and his opinion stands credible with me and ANYBODY who has a general mechanical sense. | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 668 Registered: 09-2002 |
Sabine, it goes like this: Kyle: "silver-lined butter-spreader knives suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "Have you ever tried? I bet you haven't even seen one!" Kyle: "I've tried a bunch of other butter-spreader knives, and they all suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "So, how many times did you try to cut the poly rope with a silver-lined butter-spreader knife?" Kyle: avoids the obvious answer. Sabine Dawn: "Saying they are historically weak isn't an answer to that question. While it is a true statement, it's avoiding the question. The correct answer is something like: 20 or 50 or zero. " All names are fictitious and any resemblance to existing characters is purely coincidental. Peter | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 669 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron L, you beat me | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sorry man.... next time i'll wait ;-) | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think the new H2 is crap. My mostly stock 98 Disco will wup ass on one off-road...... Dan | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 124 Registered: 09-2002 |
does no one believe in any innovations at all here?? It seems that people will always innovate and create bigger and better things, but not with the Disco? It seems that only 30 or so years ago the very idea that a computer would be used by the general public would have been viewed as ridiculous by anyone with knowledge of the industry, they were simply too big and they needed to be that big and expensive to work correctly..someone improved on that idea or we wouldnt all be hear now, which was basically my original concept in this thread was not to trash it before you tried it. Here is a little better explanation it goes like this: Kyle: "silver-lined butter-spreader knives suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "Have you tried the new re-designed ones, they have laser cut serations, I bet you havent even seen one" Kyle: "I've tried a bunch of other butter-spreader knives, and they all suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "But have you tried the new one with the laser serations?" Kyle: avoids the obvious answer, which is no. "They are all the same, and they all cut the same" Sabine Dawn: "Saying they are historically weak isn't an answer to that question. While it is a true statement, it's avoiding the question. Peter: "No one will ever innovate the butter knife, it cannot be improved upon" Ron L: "Yes, if you are going to cut you must use a blowtorch, that is the only way, knives are all obselete" (oh- and btw.. RonL, thanks for taking the dick out of your mouth long enough to endow us with your wisdom!!) | ||||||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 125 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think Daniel Covaciu has no....ah hell, nevermind. ~Art Vigil | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 120 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah Art, but at least I have those little raised silver Land Rover letters on my hood. That makes up for my lack of... ah hell, nevermind. Dan P.S. How about those H2's, they really suck ass. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Ron L: "Yes, if you are going to cut you must use a blowtorch, that is the only way, knives are all obsolete" (oh- and btw.. RonL, thanks for taking the dick out of your mouth long enough to endow us with your wisdom!!)" Corey your a smart cookie, you know everything. You are the master and I think you need to be the head tech guy here on D Web. I promise that the next time I decide to endow you with my wisdom I will pull MY dick out of YOUR mouth. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 741 Registered: 09-2002 |
BALLS? | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 674 Registered: 09-2002 |
Corey, Kyle asked you a few times about what exactly, in your opinion, makes a new Range Rover an off-road vehicle superior to the old RR and Discovery. Have you ever come up with anything? In case you have never seen a poly rope in your life, even serrated butter-spreader knives suck at cutting them. No, i haven't tried, but now i know who did. I suggest you at least retract your remark about Rovertym - if you still haven't sorted out people behind the company names, don't fuck around. peter | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 742 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yeah....Corey is Back. | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 278 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey.. man,, you just dont get it. many of us here HATE having a computer in the car and feel that it is a reliability downgrade! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
"if you're going to respond, respond with something real and not your typical meaningless bullshit" "And I hate to sound so redundant but I'll say it again. Please respond. But respond with something real. By 'real', I mean: (1) Answer Kyle's questions. (2) Post your address. Anything else you come back with is just meaningless bullshit." Can't you follow the simplest instructions? Either post something real or shut the fuck up. Posting "you lost me as a customer" doesn't mean a damn thing. You never were an EE customer and you never will be. And your "you have mail" is also curious. What the hell does this mean? I have always believed that "you have mail" is the mark of a cheap fuck and/or all-talk-and-no-action BBS frequenter. Someone posts some stuff for sale and all of a sudden there is a rush of "you have mail" posts. Then, after 20 of these posts are posted, the seller posts "still for sale". I've sold a few things on the classified boards and "you have mail" means to me: "I'm not going to buy whatever you're selling". I've noticed that the real buyers don't post a damn thing and just say "I'll take it." BTW, I didn't get any email from you. You're such a dumbass you probably sent it to Rovertym or something. "RonL, thanks for taking the dick out of your mouth long enough to endow us with your wisdom!!" This is another classic. I think this is Eric N's favorite line. I guess you and he must come from the same place, where this line is actually a good put-down. "You lost me as a customer". "You have mail". "Get that dick out of your mouth". "I fucked your mom". Anyone see a pattern here among the moronic responses? All of these are so lame it's pathetic. Since it's fairly clear that you're not going to respond with anything real, please shut the fuck up. Go back into the gutter from where you came. | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah Rob I'm with you. I'm old enough to remember that there was a time when I could simply tune my own car and a lot of other people could also. The idea behind computers in vehicles is that eventually nearly everything will be controlled by the computer and the owner will not be able to effect repairs, so it will be a tow job to the dealer and big $$$$. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron, Oh how the morons collect. "How many 03 RRs have you been in? Offroad? How many have you fixed? How many "weak CV joints" have you replaced?" I haven't been in any 03 Rangies offroad. The closest I have been to an 03 Rangie on the trail was during the first Fine Living shoot. Those are the pics I posted, the ones with the Rangie with a flat tire. I haven't replaced any 03 Rangie CV joints. What the hell does this have to do with anything? I never claimed I had wheeled in a 03 Rangie. I never claimed the 03 Rangie was not capable on the trail. I never claimed I fixed a CV joint on a 03 Rangie. I never even claimed the CV joints on the 03 Rangie were weak. Go back and read. All I said about the 03 Rangie was that it was certainly no match for Kyle's Disco. If you want to pull a Corey and think a stocker 03 Rangie can smoke Kyle's Disco, whatever. Also, your "How many 'weak CV joints" have you replaced?" is just as meaningless as Corey's responses. Your question might have more meaning if you added something like "How many 03 Rangie CV joints have you seen? Apparently you are not aware that the 03 Rangie's CV's are different from other CV's because (insert distinction here like "they are made of solid tritanium" or "they are twice the size of the other Rover CV's" or whatever)?" Unless you add something like that, your question is also meaningless. If there is something about the 03 Rangie's CV's that are different, then that would be something for you to thump your chest about. If not, then I don't think your point is well taken and I can't really say Kyle is disqualified from saying the 03 Rangie's drivetrain is weak because it has eight CV joints. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 190 Registered: 02-2003 |
man this is still going. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 253 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lets not forget CVs have those nice little rubber booties that everyone likes so much , as the only barrier between the grease in the CV and the shit that would love to destroy it . These are just generalities about CVs . Things that most people that have had any long term dealings with CVs know. Now I was just talking to Ho on the phone about this. THink about it for a moment. I think the dealer gets around 350 each for a Disco CV. Now that aint the latest and greatest RaRo gourmet shit and it doesnt include the axle and certainly doesnt come close to the price of the whole assembly. Now think about having 8 of those bastards under there. Now think about that lift kit you WERE gonna buy for it... Now how doing what it is you do Ron and get in that parts book and give us the over the counter on a 03 RaRo CV joint or Axle assembly.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 678 Registered: 09-2002 |
that's classified, Kyle | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 322 Registered: 04-2001 |
"A CV is A CV" check out this link and see how you feel about the statement http://www.bcboffroad.com/images/101andD90CVjoints.jpeg A cv, like anything else can be engineered properly or not. Disco I cvs I think we can all agree are crap. 1in inners and the same guts they made minivan cvs out of (go buy a cv for an 89 caravan and see what I mean). Now what I am asking of Kyle is to admit he knows NOTHING about the 03 Range Rover first hand. He has no concept of what the build standards, materials, size of components, etc etc etc. He is already backing away talking about generalities of CVs. It is fine for him to render opinions, just wanted to know what kind of info he was using to base them on. Kyle is just spouting off about something he has no first hand experience about. This is really ironic because he always bitches when others do this. Is an 03 Range Rover like a discovery I. Hell no. Completely different vehicle. Whole new concept. You are not going to be throwing rovertym springs on an 03 range rover. You are pretty much tied to increases in tire sizes and some body protection. Personally if I do ever get one (when they are cheap and I have money again after law school) I would put some 18in Euro spec 03 RR wheels and some slightly larger tires (32s or so) and use it just like I use my disco now. Tow vehicle, mild off-roader, and daily driver. I am sure it would be fine, though probably the body will suffer (just like the discos). And John, the 03 RR cvs ARE better. The inners are larger, as are the cvs themselves, and they are made with a higher grade material. They have also engineered to allow a larger deflection angle (anyone who has seen the wheel drop when an 03 lifted by the subframe can see there is some decent wheel travel for IFS/IRS). Am I saying they are as strong as the 101 cvs in the pic above, no. What I am saying is that they are better than what you have in a disco I (or disco II for that matter). Yes they are being asked to work at more of an angle, but until someone slaps some of those 18in wheels and 33in Nitto 18in MTs on one we won't see how well the cvs really hold up, but you know what, it won't really matter because the weak links in the 03 RR drivetrain are the diffs, not the CVs. Ron PS I will be happy to post the price of an 03 RR CV. I will do so tomorrow. No prices are classified. You want a price call your dealer or roversnorth and they will give it to you. I am curious about the cvs, some things are substantially more on the 03 RR while somethings have been substantially less than earlier RR parts. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2003 |
Corkey, yes the heavy forces of the Army are a little slow to deploy world wide. The same can't be said for the 82d Airborne, 10th Mountian Div or the Ranger Batts. Paul, its too bad that the LR dealership you visited was so piss poor. I was using Land Rover Austin (TX) when I was out there and they were great. The level of butt kissing bordered on ridiculous. I now use LR North Point in Atlanta and they too are great. My service guy there (Mike Jones) is very cool. I usually spend an hour or so each visit just BS-ing with him and the techs. Next week I move to Savannah and will be using LR Jacksonville...So wish me luck--Matt | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 743 Registered: 09-2002 |
"we won't see how well the cvs really hold up, but you know what, it won't really matter because the weak links in the 03 RR drivetrain are the diffs, not the CVs." Ron, explainthis theory. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ron Brown, WOW what a pic! Look at that! What do YOU call it? Being that you have such experience, I'll bow down to your school of thought and suggest we poll who the tech expert for DWEB should be. Start your campaign, you have a ton of competition with the cocksucker. But before I let you proceed you need to clarify.... "Now what I am asking of Kyle is to admit he knows NOTHING about the 03 Range Rover first hand. He has no concept of what the build standards, materials, size of components, etc etc etc. He is already backing away talking about generalities of CVs. It is fine for him to render opinions, just wanted to know what kind of info he was using to base them on." And this will conclude the debate on CVS in what fashion? Or would you just be satisfied in him admitting what he already has stated. By not having the credibility of working on a RR still does not discredit any of his statements. That's up to him to respond. IMO It looks like you have been pushed to the walls enough times by him to warrant you getting him to admit he never worked on one just so you can point the finger. "The inners are larger, as are the cvs themselves, and they are made with a higher grade material. " Well I would HOPE so considering the amount of weight they have to support, never mind the HP and Torque. They have also engineered to allow a larger deflection angle (anyone who has seen the wheel drop when an 03 lifted by the subframe can see there is some decent wheel travel for IFS/IRS). Well...... DUHH "but until someone slaps some of those 18in wheels and 33in Nitto 18in MTs on one we won't see how well the cvs really hold up, it won't really matter because the weak links in the 03 RR drivetrain are the diffs, not the CVs." ......and when the torque is transferred via ETC on a firmly planted "33in Nitto 18in MT" with load in excess of that normally distributed to all four, your theory supports it would shear a ring gear or bust a diff housing first? Are you aware of what happens to an axel under these circumstances? What accounts for that torque in a CV? The material? | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2002 |
"And John, the 03 RR cvs ARE better" Ron , and exactly how do you know this ? You dont , what you know is the hype. Thats sort of like when you said the Husky was better , remember ? That was like right before you burned yours up after only using it 10 times or some shit. And I aint backing off of shit. Its a fucking CV , it wasnt built by NASA. Mass produced CVs are shit.. ANd the little rubber booties too!! As far as what you want me to admit. Well , have you bumped your fucking head ? Or just not read this thread ? You will NOT modify that rangie or the new Disco like you have Rovers in the past. That was my point. Then , you pop in saying the same god damned thing.(and you are considering law school?!?!) You dont need first hand experience to know that you wont be lifting the Rangie or the Disco like you could the older ones. Thats the relative point on this site. This aint car and driver and we aint giving reviews on how posh the interior is or how well it handles a dirt road. "You are pretty much tied to increases in tire sizes and some body protection". You absolutely CAN lift that rangie above where it sits , it just wont be as easy (or cheap)and you will have to drop the diffs to keep the CVs in one piece. Perhaps your LACK of mechanical knowledge puts things in a nice little box for you Ron. Sorry , like I said , this isnt state of the art ground breaking shit (Although they would surely want you to think it is) its just a rehashed design that other car makers have been using for quite some time already.. As far as your CV pic go's , crank the wheel and gas the bitch and its coming out of there , maybe not the first time but you know as well as I do thats what will break. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 125 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jeez....talk about spewing meaningless shit...dang.. Okay- Peter..What makes the new RR superior? Im not sure, if I wanted to get underneath it and fix it all the time I would be driving fords...oh damn..2005 Disco...ford owned..arghh!! As for polyrope, well, you are missing the point I was trying to make there. Someone will always innovate something to make it bigger and better, the mentality that it can be improved upon is ridiculous. John..whoa...First off you need to learn how to check your email, johnlee@expeditionexchange.com. thats where I sent it to.. as to your points..1. I have responded to a few of Kyle and your points and the response has been, "Shut the fuck up", "you fucking moron" etc.. so theres no further point in trying to respond. point 2. my address is in your email, learn to use the technology.. this line is classic: "Since it's fairly clear that you're not going to respond with anything real, please shut the fuck up. Go back into the gutter from where you came." In most civilized communities it is not indicitive of the higher class of citizens to converse using "fuck" and telling anyone you disagree with that they are "Fucking morons"(hence the "fuckity, fuck, fuck-these words dont emphasize, they make you look like ill educated trailer trash, do ya have a mullet too??) Heres what started it... from kyle: "Corey , shuttup. I suspect one is just as good to you as the other cause you are clueless... Yeah , I am saying its a POS..... And if they are spanking your Disco its probably a POS as well. Or maybe you just cant drive that "Bad Rover" of yours. Ever think of that ? Maybe you have some Explorer envy that needs to be satisfied"(just insults here, no knowledge, just Kyle trying to be a jerk) "Corey , you are a fucking Moron and that pretty much explains your whole take on this thread. You have been Exploring Ghost towns ? Fucking LO fucking L"(more of that great intellect running rampant) as to your posts John, they end up in a whole lot of "fucking moron, dipshit, blah,blah, blah" --and for the love of God what is with you guys stripping down your trucks in the middle of no where, isnt that what you bought a Rover for, to avoid that. I mean if the only thing that is making you trucks so bad ass is the things you can modify then you should have bought a Jeep... and Ron, when you learn how to cut a trail go talk to Bill about the Deep Creek range.."Im positive he has never cut his own trail--heehee" and since you couldnt figure out what was in the pic..it was a CV joint. "WOW what a pic! Look at that! What do YOU call it?" aside from this I find it funny that all of the cursing back and forth and you dont get upset till I make a slanderous gay remark, then suddenly you are offended, are you hiding something John, is there something you need to tell us?? wow..and Ron has been blowin Kyle for so long that now he wants to try it with me?? Sorry Ron, thats not my cup of tea but maybe you should chat with John. and all the crap aside my only point was not to judge it till you had been in it and seen what it could do, everyone who thinks I am full of shit on the submersion of the RR needs to go chat with the dealer, oh and the SUV special from Car and Driver last year also had an article on it being able to submerse. think outside your own circle guys, technology will always advance things and it will make things happen that you think are impossible.. calling someone a "fucking liar" isnt going to make technology go away, so get over it.... | ||||||
| Michael Slade (Serious_one) New Member Username: Serious_one Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
Whew! And I thought POR was the only place I could see a good heated debate! Ok, I need to clear up at least one myth that was started waaaayyyy back when up top and no one either clarified or disputed. Someone (I think it was Corey) was talking about the RRIII's ability to shut off the air intake and run for 15-20 seconds. Someone go back up and re-read it, I'm just paraphrasing. I know for a FACT that this is NOT TRUE. Now back to your regularly scheduled flame-fest. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 744 Registered: 09-2002 |
Michael, We addressed it a few times in the thread but I think everyone was waiting for someone to REALLY knock the stupidity of that statement out of the park. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 278 Registered: 08-2002 |
NO MICHEAL !!!! One more commercial break before the flame fest resumes... http://onlinetonight.net/images/hhonda-ad-300k.swf First one to match this with their LR will be crowned prince (or princess if any of the above are true)of all DWEB tech-dumb. | ||||||
| Michael Slade (Serious_one) New Member Username: Serious_one Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hehe, yeah I kind of got lost in the 'details' of this thread. Oh and another rumor confirmed: Jag v8 is coming for RRIII and DiscoIII, diesel for Freelander | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 50 Registered: 01-2003 |
So running boards aren't cool? Brendan 95 Disco with OME suspenders from John and Ho (Thanks Guys, Your are the best!) and still has running boards, maybe I will take them off today. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2003 |
Freeze! Nobody move. Ron, you're going to law to school? | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 55 Registered: 09-2002 |
Damn! I was hoping I could incoporate the "stop breathing" tech into my Disco... but since the cabin has to be sealed I'm already screwed. Matt-so far as I can tell Paul never mentioned the dealership, and Corky is not addressing the Army's ability to deploy rapidly. I mentioned the dealership, and while I think it's awesome that you had a good time, most of the people I know in my area are less than impressed-but it could just be me. Your comments about the Rangers, the 82nd and the 10th Mountain are all true with regard to speed of deployment. I think the difficulty then becomes the small problem of sustainment-which is where you make you can run into some real problems after just throwing forces into something. Just some food for thought-and an effort to put more lipstick on this dead horse. | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 682 Registered: 09-2002 |
Michael, "15 seconds under water" is one of these things that don't need any proof of being bullshit. take a 4.6 liter engine. At partially open throttle, its volumetric efficiency is small, put it at 20%. That means that to run for 15 seconds at 1500 rpm it will need 4.6l/2*20%*1500/60*15 = 172 liters, or 45 gallons of air. TWICE the volume of a gas tank every 15 seconds. Open up the throttle and rev it a bit, and these numbers skyrocket. The stupidity of Corey's statement about "sealed intake" is obvious. That means he knows jack shit about how [some] things work, and that's precisely why he's been dodging John's and Kyle's request to substantiate his statements. Note that he just keeps bitching about the vocabulary and civility of the argument. Now, the irony of this thread is that Corey was the person who pitched in the first personal insult "just saying you shouldnt talk out of your ass "! peter | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1377 Registered: 02-2002 |
I intentionally omitted the identity of the dealership to protect the guilty. I would expect that by my comments on where I live it might shed some light as to which dealership I might have been referencing... | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1504 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Ray, this is for you: A woman walks into a supermarket and buys: 1 bar of soap 1 toothbrush 1 tube of toothpaste 1 loaf of bread 1 pint of milk 1 single serving of cereal 1 single serving frozen dinner 1 can of Soup For One 1 16 oz. can of Miller Lite An old Crusty Marine Gunnery Sergeant, standing in line behind the woman, looks at the items in her cart. He gives the lady a long look up and down,then looking her dead in the eye says to her, "Single, eh?" She smiles sweetly, bats her eyes,and responds, "Yes, how did you guess?" In a gruff voice the old Gunny says, "Because you're fu*kin' ugly!" Have a nice day | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 255 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yeah Corey , all those time you were told to shutup and yet you just keep on rolling. Corey , man , dont ever change... And I think it was you that said idle threats on a BBS were BS. Well , isnt that kind of what you are doing ? You just announced to world some Gay cracks about John Lee , and then announced that you sent him your address... This just gets more and more funny... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 41 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey, So youre teling us Bill @ GBR cuts his own trail? Its a yes or no question....so PLEASE respond with the usual BS statement. And keep my bitch Kyle out of it. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 48 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, You say you sent me your address. Big deal. Your probably sent a PO Box address for all I know. Seriously, I haven't received anything from you. Either you sent it to Rovertym by mistake or I inadvertently deleted the email thinking it was spam or a virus. (Every morning, I have to delete dozens of spam emails from my inbox.) Forget emailing me your address. Just post your address here. If you email me your address, I'm just going to post it here anyway. So cut the middleman and post your address here. My address is posted on the web. Post yours too. You're the tough guy who wants to brawl with everybody, so give people the opportunity to meet up with you. Again, my address is already posted. Anyone I slam is perfectly free to drop by the shop and kick the living hell out of me if he is so inclined. Also, am I the only one who thinks this is a joke? You're the one who wants to brawl and you want me to drive to Utah? In your little mind, that's your idea of backing up your tough talk about brawling. "Drop what you're doing and drive to Utah you pussy and let's brawl" or something like that. And when people have lives and better things to do than to drop what they're doing and drive to Utah to kick your ass, you declare victory? Pathetic. If you really wanted to brawl, you would just drive down to Los Angeles and catch me off guard. "In most civilized communities it is not indicitive of the higher class of citizens to converse using "fuck" and telling anyone you disagree with that they are "Fucking morons"(hence the "fuckity, fuck, fuck-these words dont emphasize, they make you look like ill educated trailer trash, do ya have a mullet too??)" Indicitive? Corey, if you're going to feign some false air of diginity, education, and breeding, at least learn how to spell the fancy words you're trying to use for effect. Otherwise just your standard vernacular. You sound like a wannabe idiot using fancy words and not being able to spell them. And "civilized communities?" Get real you loser. It's "civilized society" you dumb ass. If you're going to try to sound well bred, use the right buzz words you loser. Just face the fact that you're a piece of white trash. Being white trash isn't as bad as trying to be what you're not. Oh yeah, I'm gay too. Awesome comeback, Corey. Once again, I bow to your Brilliance. | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2156 Registered: 02-2002 |
Speaking of, John, did what's-his-name - the 9x16-on a Race-Disco Mensa dude - ever show up? -L | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 256 Registered: 11-2002 |
No kidding Les , EE is just turning into an ass kicking hot bed..... John ? Can I maybe schedule a little time to come over and "Kick the shit out of you" ? How bout if I send you my address big boy ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 191 Registered: 08-2002 |
Paul...LOL! Thats the best joke I have heard in quite some time. -Chris | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2003 |
No, neither he nor cousin Ritchie has shown up yet. Still no sign of his 5' 11" frame standing before me. Time will tell if they do or not. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2349 Registered: 04-2002 |
Can we start a fight club??? | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 192 Registered: 08-2002 |
The internet is full of badasses. Then reality slaps them in the face. | ||||||
| Evan Price (The_big_daddy) New Member Username: The_big_daddy Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2003 |
What's wrong with being Gay? | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 686 Registered: 09-2002 |
Absolutely nothing, Evan. Last night, I enjoyed reading parents' supplemental material for the 8th grade SexEd. It included a questionnaire for kids about what messages they received from their parents on sex issues. Homosexuality was one of them. I guess my kids' "back to school" message was "it does not propagate all that well in the gene pool." peter | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 56 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul- That was a good one, the former 0341 that I work with and I were dying, I don't think the other residents in cube-ville here appreciated it as much, especially the chicks-but what can you do? Ray | ||||||
| Jason Bard (Jbard) Member Username: Jbard Post Number: 177 Registered: 10-2002 |
Carter, What's the first rule about Fight Club? | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2351 Registered: 04-2002 |
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| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 50 Registered: 03-2003 |
"In most civilized communities it is not indicitive of the higher class of citizens to converse using "fuck" and telling anyone you disagree with that they are "Fucking morons"(hence the "fuckity, fuck, fuck-these words dont emphasize, they make you look like ill educated trailer trash, do ya have a mullet too??)" I'm still cracking up over this one. What a false air of education and breeding. Corey's bullshit reminds me of those old Starkist Tuna commercials. I loved those. Anyone remember those? The ones where Charlie the tuna is wearing a monacle, silk topper, and cigarette holder, and he's trying his best to be sophisticated so that Starkist will accept him? And then his fellow tuna drops the bomb on poor Charlie: "Starkist doesn't want tuna with good taste; Starkist wants tuna that tastes good. Sorry Charlie." Corey, you are just as lost as Charlie the tuna. You're trying to sound sophisticated and educated, but you're just a piece of lying white trash. | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 194 Registered: 01-2003 |
Corey, did you ever break anything wheeling? "... --and for the love of God what is with you guys stripping down your trucks in the middle of no where, isnt that what you bought a Rover for, to avoid that. I mean if the only thing that is making you trucks so bad ass is the things you can modify then you should have bought a Jeep ..." Do you carry spares or tools? I have wheeled to utah ghost minning towns and most are roads that aren't that bad to get to. That statement makes me worry. For the rr3 fans- The rr3 sounds nice, but until someone can prove to me that those cv's or the IFS and IRS could be repaired in the field or limped home, you can keep your technology. Will the RR10 of 2050 be a bad ass IFS/IRS set up that never fails, maybe. But till then you can't tell me the untested rr3 will be as good as the last rr and a disco at getting me out of trouble. Trucks break, Jeep, Hummer, LR what ever, its how you can fix them to get yourself home that matters. Try wheeling in BFE Utah and not worry about being stranded from a failure or break down. It scares me, thats why I do so much preventive maintence on my truck before I go on any wheeling trips, that's why my spare box, tools, recovery gear weighs like 100 pounds. Has anyone run a RR3 on the rubicon, that indepence trail in CO, or Moab rim trail yet? I'd like to see the out come, but I doubt the market group the rr3 is set up for ever will use it like that. How long do you think it will be till the Jeep GC gets IFS and IRS, the liberty has it in the front. I bet the wrangler in a few years will be the only true offroader that we can buy new. Thats sad we don't get more choices. | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 193 Registered: 08-2002 |
Does it involve liposuction? | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1506 Registered: 02-2002 |
UH OH! Somebody went there with the W T. Whiskey Tango that is......White Trash. LOL! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 126 Registered: 09-2002 |
John, John, John, You need to read a little better, or at least understand what you are reading..Sheesh, I never said I wanted to kick your ass, I just said that in most communities you would get your butt kicked for talking to someone the way you do. Kyle, I sent John my address cause he asked for it, thats it. As for the tuna thing, damn, is that all youve got left. I did have one other thing to add but I forgot it before, where in the hell did you get your business sense from, I mean seriously, this is your idea of creating a customer base?? do you have any idea of marketing techniques?? Do you know the power of word of mouth advertising?? heres a scenario for ya.. Joe(not his real name): Hey Im looking to get a set of sliders for my Rover, what have you heard about EE. Corey: Well, Ho seems to be pretty knowledgable but let me tell you about this John guy that works there..what an ass, with his attitude I wouldnt buy a thing from him cause if you have an issue with it he will probably tell you that you are a "fucking moron" and didnt know how to install it in the first place. Just not good person to deal with. Joe: Really, thats good to know.. who would you suggest? Corey: Rovertym or AB, should be pretty safe with, pay a little more at AB but both have proven to be very professional. --k- not a big deal in itself but guess what, Joe will pass what he knows about EE to his friends and so on and so on..and you will lose potential customers simply because they dont want to take a chance.. lets continue on...to Bob, some one who is no relation to Joe but heard the story passed on... Bob: Hey there nice Rover, I've been looking for skid plates for my rover, where did you get yours? Kyle: Thanks man, I got all my parts at EE Bob: Really I heard they were dicks Kyle: No man, they are way cool...my buddy John is one of the owners Bob  Silently thinks-oh, I remeber John, I heard a story about him) Kyle: yeah, here is thier # you should call em. Joe: Um okay thanks(tossing number as he leaves) This is what one persons bad advertising can do to your business, although Im sure you dont care. But a person is 10 times more likely to remeber a bad experience with a company than a good one, and the name association is priceless. Just a little marketing 101 for ya, since appearantly you never got that far.... --btw, what do you base your accusations of lies on? --and Ron, damn, there are no trails in the deep creeks, everything has been cut in the past 20 years or so and a lot of it has been done via Rover, not saying Bill himself, but he's one of the only ones I know with a 110 rover out here that actually uses it. | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 687 Registered: 09-2002 |
Corey, i tried hard to keep from calling you a dumbass, but that tops it off. John Lee's (and other vendors here) business has a very limited customer base, and the large part of it is watching this thread. You exposed yourself as having zero knowledge of just about anything, and you still think the word outta your mouth is worth a damn? peter | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 636 Registered: 02-2002 |
oooo - its the dreaded "You lost me as a customer" line again. and yes John, I remember the Charlie Tuna ad - good analogy. Jaime | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 195 Registered: 08-2002 |
300!!!! Can we end this now? | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1380 Registered: 02-2002 |
OK, I know that we can't all get along-that was proved long ago. Happens every time, you only have so much in common, then the polarization begins. If we can't get along, do we need to continue this thread? I find it mildly entertaining, but nothing more. Peter: I find it to be of concern that your school system is sending home surveys on sexual messages children get from their parents. Sex education is one thing, but undermining what a child learns from their parents on such a sensitive subject is WRONG (with apologies to Brian). It is none of the school system's business what I tell my child about sex and sexuality. My mother was such a nut, I can still remember the diagrams she drew for me when I was about six years old-too bad it took me so long to find out just what she was trying to teach me! Oh yeah, I am a past customer of EE-they had the lowest price on what I wanted! Ultimate CB:-) Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2002 |
"and Ron, damn, there are no trails in the deep creeks, everything has been cut in the past 20 years or so and a lot of it has been done via Rover, not saying Bill himself, but he's one of the only ones I know with a 110 rover out here that actually uses it." One step forward two steps back..... | ||||||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2003 |
I am very happy with my EE purchases there help and honesty were the main reason I will keep coming back to them. I prefer to do business with someone honest who isnt out just to lube me up for a sale. I think this topic is pretty much dead here anyways and its become somewhat of personal attacks on people isntead of discussion of what makes a vehicle a liability offroad and what makes it good. But at least its a fun read. Thanks. -leo PS: The parts all fit perfect but I want to kick your ass too John, I heard its the new cool thing. but I am only 5'9" and that may not make the height requirements. | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 688 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul, it started to worry me, too, but it was just all too funny. I hope my kids are smart enough to know what to pass on to school and what not. Needless to say, the pamphlet they made for the kids is beyond dumb - OTOH, what would we expect? Fortunately, we're through with that school in three weeks. It had bigger issues than sex ed questionnaires. FWIW, the school we went to in my homeland, did not differ much in this respect. My close relative got to fill in a questionnaire about the parents' drinking habits! And, being an honest guy, he put in "my parents drink every week. sometimes my mom has to drink more so my dad gets less." The last sentence, however, sort of nullified the effect - "often, they empty up a whole bottle!" His teacher laughed her brains out, and turned the questionnaire back to parents! peter | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1382 Registered: 02-2002 |
Peter: I have a friend who took her kid to the doctor. Two days later, she was arrested for giving her kid drugs. The doctor had innoculated the child and the kid ran to school and told the "Resource Officer" (cop) that her mother had taken her to a strange place and a stranger had given her drugs and her mother forced her to take these same drugs. The sad thing is that Child Protective Services already had the child in a foster home before the mother had been taken into custody. It was very traumatic for all involved. Given the chance, I think I'd fill out that survey with input from an internet BBS! What really worries me is the questions about guns in the house. My stepson who is now a senior in high school commented when asked about guns in the house that I carry. There was dead silence in the classroom. Then he told them about the "Sawed-Off" (18" barrel, folding stock) shotgun in the linen closet. I would have loved to have been there, but I don't go where I can't carry. Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 689 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul, it's up to us to raise our kids, not the school. It is a sad story indeed, but the mother should have set the kids' priorities in life straight earlier. I'd probably have sued the hell out of all parties involved, should I end up in such a disaster. peter | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 195 Registered: 01-2003 |
There is a difference in building a trail system, and "... actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines...". I am running the golden spike this weekend in moab, I think it was built in 98 as part of a easter jeep safari weekend, a trail doesn't have to be old to be a trail, just in an area that has granted access. Trails come and go, get developed over 20 years and abandoned or closed, DON'T cut a trail because you think someone else is doing it. Also there is more than one 110 in utah that gets used offroad, check out the club GBR has and run with them once, also check out Clark's 110 he is rebuilding at Regent st motors for another 110 that goes offroad. | ||||||
| John Kruger (Johnnyk) Member Username: Johnnyk Post Number: 202 Registered: 02-2002 |
I just had to post, I was feeling left out..... John | ||||||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 756 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Because you're fu*kin' ugly!" Now that is FUGGIN funny! mike w | ||||||
| Michael Slade (Serious_one) New Member Username: Serious_one Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
Ooooh, here's another chance to dispell a myth: Bill at GBR does NOT have a 110. And, the last time I knew he was out and about he was NOT cutting trails. He was driving his big pig of a motor home towing his giraffe painted 88 behind it. That 88 and a Red '87 RR are the two LR's he wheels with. If he has a 110 he's keeping it an AWFULLY good secret. Also, just a thought here though, it really bugs me when people talk about other people's so called 'activities' (i.e. Bill cutting down trees and blazing his own trails wilderness areas), because true or false it spreads a very bad reputation about that person (in this case Bill), and LR owners, and 4-wheelers in general. If you think that LR Discovery owners are the only people who surf through this board and pick up little tid-bits you are two notches more naieve than the RRIII can breathe underwater statement. Michael PS Damn that joke about the single fugly woman was fuggin funny! | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 456 Registered: 05-2002 |
Corey, Since you claim to be pretty tight with Bill at GBR, it might be worth your time to go by there and see what he says about this thread. I am sure he will give a glorious review on the 03rr I know that I presonally can't wait to tell him about his trailblazing expeditions and find out how I can get into that action. I also know that John deals with Bill quite a bit and I am sure they will share a few laughs as well. Dude - the Rover community is small, but there are a lot of us from Salt Lake. It will be interesting to meet you in person one day. Curtis | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1507 Registered: 02-2002 |
Glad I could help Mike. | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 283 Registered: 02-2003 |
the end? | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2003 |
I doubt it. Corey will come back with some more meaningless bullshit. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2002 |
Stick around Slade , this go's on all week.... And people dont understand when I say "Fuck or asshole" Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2003 |
There is a good comment about IFS on page 10 of the new (June) Four Wheeler mag. It snot just us that think IFS sucks. There are a few pages in there with some rovers too. Defenders and discos... | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 159 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yes, let's stop this thread. My employees are wondering why I'm spending so much time in my office... Even with DSL, this thing takes forever to load... | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 280 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well if it can't end...we can just stop off here http://www.driveintheater.com/intermission/ ...and watch the dancing hot dog for awhile....now isn't that better | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 199 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hey S.c.u.b.a. Dwebers. Based on the numbers Peter Matusov gave of 45 gallons of air, how many tanks is that? I like Corey's idea of submerging the vehicle and keeping it running for 15-20 seconds. If you wanted to go with the expense and make the necessary componants, pressurizing the intake with the scuba air makes it waterproof and provides the needed oxygen for combustion. Yes its also expensive, but who cares? It would be way cool. An aside thought...would pressurizing the cabin provide enough buyancy to at least float a Rover? -Chris | ||||||
| Michael Slade (Serious_one) New Member Username: Serious_one Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2003 |
I'll stick around, but I wanna change my handle to 'Li'l Smokey'. ;) Also I was thinking that it would be cool to have a little flame icon that someone could place in a thread to alert passers-by that the thread might be good for some entertainment. M | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2002 |
I miss Lance and his supercharger ...sigh. Come back Lance all is forgiven, We love you! | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2158 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well, it's official, this thread is even longer than the "flip" thread was.... -L | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 697 Registered: 09-2002 |
Chris, the answer is yes. this is a bigger problem that you may think. peter | ||||||
| Ronnie McKinney (Ronnie) Member Username: Ronnie Post Number: 66 Registered: 08-2002 |
Corey, I'm not going to blast you for your comments about the RRs new IFS/IRS system, that appears to have been handled pretty well by others here. But I would like to point out a couple of quotes posted by you... on April 30, 2003 - 2:21 pm John, John, John, You need to read a little better, or at least understand what you are reading..Sheesh, I never said I wanted to kick your ass, I just said that in most communities you would get your butt kicked for talking to someone the way you do. Kyle, I sent John my address cause he asked for it, thats it. As for the tuna thing, ..... (rest of post deleted) on April 24, 2003 - 6:00 pm (beginning of post deleted) ... his monitor. It reminds me of a guy who once offered to fly out here to SLC to kick my ass if he only had my address, well I gave it to him and guess what he never showed.....surprise, surprise. Oh and John, if you want my address feel free to ask too...you have the mentality of a junior high student, and I would be willing to wager you have the income to match it. Should you ever make it to Utah or if you are in Utah now LMK, I would love to arrange a meeting with you. bitch. While I guess, technically, you never said you wanted to kick John's ass, I can see why everyone would think you did. Nothing wrong with thinking it, he is definitely getting the better of you in this thread, but at least stick to you're guns and flex you're internet muscles. Oh and Corey, since you brought it up, what business school did you graduate from to become an expert on customer marketing/relations? Or is this like Kyle not knowing anything anything about CVs since he's never offroaded a RR3? | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 574 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Les, I'm very offended by that word! Give me your address and I'm gonna have to come over and beat the crap out of you! You racist bastard! Glenn FLIP | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2166 Registered: 02-2002 |
Glenn, TN-Va border is ~100 mi long; half of that is east of I-181/US23, but I'll tell ya that I'm west of there. And, I'm less than 10 mi from it, too... that ought to make it real easy to find me! I'll have the beer chilled..... -L | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 281 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well this showed up awhile back on IH8mud.com http://home.houston.rr.com/surrenderownz/auction.htm Truly the civilized way to get an ass kicking...wonder if we could get a group discount | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 575 Registered: 02-2002 |
LMAO... okay Les, I'm programming that on my GPS right now... Oh wait, I don't have a GPS.... nevermind, I'll just not order from you if you ever sell anything! Glenn I'll take you up on those chilled beverages next time I see you! LOL | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2003 |
Damn I am so confused now. Who is pissed at who. Could someone chart this out for me? When is the D-Web ass kicking event? Can we maybe through in a winching seminar and maybe a tech session on unsticking your centerlock lever thingie in betweeen the ass-kicking? Maybe we can have a "your just a bitch!" contest. I will offer to host it in Indiana the week of June 7 at the new Red Bird SRA park. John can you make it? Corey, I will e-mail you the address, I promise. I could mail it to you instead since there are e-mail difficulties. What's your address? B.K. 95 Disco and no one to fight with darnit'. Somebody please call me an un-educated white trash bitch please! I feel left out. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2002 |
Brendan ROFLMAO you un-educated white trash bitch | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2003 |
Thank you, I feel better now. B.K. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 746 Registered: 09-2002 |
Brendan, If you would take diligent notes you would'nt have to ask who is mad at who. Pay attention...dumb ass. You can fight with me if you want, I don't know what about but I bet we could find something. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2002 |
Come on Brian, leave him alone, he has an excuse, he is an un-educated white trash bitch. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
There is no EE Fight Club. | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 53 Registered: 01-2003 |
Screw All of You! Brian, well fuckity fuckity fu*& fu&^. Your momma, IFS Rules! Now what is your address. I am going to kick your ass! Just to show how dumb all of you are I traded in my Disco for a 94 Geo Tracker today! Not only is it already lifted with OME HD Springs (Thanks Ho and John!) it has an air tank that supplies enriched air when I go fiording (or is it fjordin') rivers while blazing new trails through virgin forests. On top of that, I am starting www.geoweb.org now. I will show you just how smart I am! I WILL PREVAIL! B.K. 94 GEO TRACKER, Pink (looks cool next to my 84' Fleetwood 29 footer with a licensplate on the front that says Disco Doer! This is great therapy by the way.....bitch! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2003 |
"And I aint backing off of shit. Its a fucking CV , it wasnt built by NASA." Yes, all of us know only too well that only the real deal stuff is bad ass enough for NASA. Only stuff like this: http://www.omegawatches.com/lux-example/img/bdwatch/soldat_gd/35705000.jpg http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/edwhiteII.jpg http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/aldrin.jpg http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/postcard.jpg http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/only1.jpg | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 136 Registered: 02-2002 |
should be "I WILL STAND TALL" john, now all we need is corey to come back and say that a mastery frank muller banker bather will blow that omega out of the water. ---------- Ho Chung | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2003 |
Master Banker? Master Shit. Is THIS a Master Banker?: http://spaceplace.jpl.nasa.gov/teachers/images/moon/BeanMoon_L.jpg | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 137 Registered: 02-2002 |
no, i don't think that's a masterbather, but i think i see some range rover CV joints in that plastic bag. ---------- Ho Chung | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2003 |
Here's another Speedmaster shot: http://www.lunarlegacies.com/images/Apollo%20Auto/cernan-salute-skg.jpg No, that's not Corey blazing a new trail. That's Eugene Cernan, the last man to step foot on the Moon. He wore a Speedmaster also. Here he is several decades later: http://www.omegawatches.com/lux-example/img/communs/world/star_ambassadors/ambas sadorsgallery/ec4.jpg | ||||||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2002 |
A Patek would do it, but i've always felt that Breitling and Land Rover go hand in hand. damn it. I swore I'd stay out of this thread. | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 138 Registered: 02-2002 |
the breitling????  ---------- Ho Chung | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2003 |
Breitling? LOL. That'll go perfectly with your Beretta and your waffles. Sorry to rain on your parade Jack, but Breitling and Patek were tested by NASA as well. So were Rolex and Bulova. All failed. Only the Speedmaster passed NASA's temperature, acceleration, deceleration, vacuum, pressure, etc. tests. | ||||||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'll remember that when I go into space. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2003 |
That's great, Jack. Go ahead and pull a Corey. First your position is that Patek will fulfill the NASA mission. After you are shown that this wrong, you to go to your fallback, which is "I don't care what watch will fulfill NASA's mission because I'm not going into space anyway." In other words, you cared when you thought you were right. After you are shown you are wrong, you claim you don't care. Just like Corey. | ||||||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Member Username: Charles Post Number: 188 Registered: 08-2002 |
John I think it is time to make the purchase. Consider it an early Christmas present to your self. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2003 |
Charles, my Speedy Pro is already on order and "coming soon". Like all Koreans, I have a friend in the jewelry business. I asked him to acquire one for me. As soon as I get the word from him, I'm closing the EE shop and driving downtown to pick up that glorious sculpture of steel and glass. If anyone's order is delayed for some reason, you'll know why. | ||||||
| Eugene (Eugene) New Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2003 |
John, Are the Speedmaster's produced in limited quantities each year? If so, do you know what the production numbers are? Thanks, -ema | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2003 |
Damn, I can't work. This NASA and Omega stuff has me all pumped up. I just found this pic of Eugene Cernan getting some Rover and Speedmaster action on the Moon: http://www.waszir.htmlplanet.com/SPACE/APOLLO/apollo-eugene-cernan-rover-1280.jp g And here's the video of Cernan and Jack Schmidt planting the Flag on the Moon: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tothemoon/realaudio/flagplant288.ram | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2002 |
John, I thought your ego would cost you business, but NOOOOOOO its your obsession with a damn time piece. This Speedmaster shit has got to go. I was going to make a big order with you. But I have decided not to since you think picking up you new Swatch (remember those?) is more important than business. Besides from what I have seen here, you lack the class the spedmaster deserves. Movado is the only way to go, unless you have penis envy and require the Submariner. Ron PS You have mail from my 6'11 cousin who rides a vespa | ||||||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 257 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think you misconstrued my meaning. The Patek I mentioned in response to Ho, who (at the time I typed my post) said "...would blow that Omega out of the water". My succesive post states that "Patek would do it"( it being: blow that Omega out of the water) I said "breitling and land rover go hand in hand". nothing else. Until Land Rover makes a space shuttle I think a Breitling would serve my puposes. Must EVERYTHING be an argument about semantics? Can't we just enjoy watches, land rovers, guns etc.? I say Patek you say Omega I say GRP you say Waffle I say .223 you say 5.56 let's call the whole thing off! | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jack, On this thread? Anything is possible as long as you mention you were going to make an order. | ||||||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2002 |
Um, I ordered some small stuff for my wheel bearings today from British Pacific, does that count? | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2003 |
John, Now all you have to get is the A.I.....sorry, cant think of a nasa link with one... | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 59 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, whatever, Jack. Eugene, I don't know what the production numbers are, but the Speedmaster Professional is just a standard watch in the Omega line: http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_watch?ID=1302&line=117&gen=G&sublineID=370 Even the ones used by NASA were simply purchased at standard jewelry shops and weren't bespoke in any way. The Speedmaster Professional is probably on the cheaper end of the Omega line too. Here are some pics of the production Speedy Pro (top three pics only): http://213.237.13.198/nik/gallery/pictorial/index2_html | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1387 Registered: 02-2002 |
That's it! I refuse to buy a watch from John. Here I was all set to buy the new whiz-bang watch that John suggested, but I'm gonna buy it from Discount whiz-bang watches! John, can you e-mail me the phone number for Discount Whiz-Bang watches? Just like some of my guns, my Rolex just doesn't cut it anymore! Velcro band and all. Oh yeah, since we've already decided we're about the same size, I'm gonna come out there and kick Corey's ass, er, damn, now I'm confused. Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1510 Registered: 02-2002 |
I hope this is not too Whiskey Tango, but I am a G-shock kinda guy. I have always thought that Rolex was the 'Holy Grail' until tonight. Omega on the Moon? Damn, it doesn't get any better than that. Hey Glenn, After you get done kicking Leslie's Ass, you can swing by NC and get a piece of me as well. I have done some very bad things in your country. Actually, the more I think about it, I have done bad things in a lot of countries! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 60 Registered: 03-2003 |
Paul, Actually, the Casio G-Shock is also "flight-qualified by NASA for all manned space missions", just like the Speedmaster. Check out: http://www.nasaexplores.com/search_nav_5_8.php?id=02-024&gl=58 "Whiskey Tango". I love it. | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 576 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL... Paul, chill the adult beverages, I'll call you when I'm on my way.... Damn, from 05 Disco to CVs to Watches....Only on discoweb! Glenn | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 749 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ohh Good...Phonetics. Ok Marines......who knows Bravo FoxTrot? | ||||||
| Roger Fastring (Fastring) New Member Username: Fastring Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2003 |
Buddy F....R. Yep. Blue Falcon. Funny thing is in Kuwait, the ice cream box at camp doha had a full out printed sign informing soldiers "Only take one ice cream treat per meal, dont be a blue falcon" Cracked me up. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 196 Registered: 02-2003 |
Timex | ||||||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 757 Registered: 02-2002 |
Casio, Pathfinder, | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 324 Registered: 04-2001 |
"Freeze! Nobody move. Ron, you're going to law to school?" Yes, Villanova, start in August. Thus we are now becoming a one income family ergo, I have to cut back on my rover spending. Thinking about $25 though for NOVA RVR . . . alyssa vetoed SUE ROVR and EVILFIJ which would be my first choices BTW I am not as illiterate as I appear on the internet, or as illiterate as your statement above John "Ron , and exactly how do you know this (03 RR CVs are better) ?" Well I tried to write a long response to this but it was so long my connection died and I lost it (I will reference one of kyle's statements "fuck") The 03 RR front inner cvs use an axle that is ~1.5in in diameter (DI is 1.0in, a Dana 70 uses 1.5in axles and 1.5in axles are about 3x as strong as 1in axles) it necks down to ~1.3in (dana 60 sized 2x DI axle strength) at the outside, the rear is also ~1.3in. To my understanding the 03 also uses equal length shafts in front. The cvs themselves are quite large. Basically you are dealing with a very strong axle system (Brian Friend do some searching and you will see what i mean re: Diffs) with cvs that should have a quite long service life even under hard use. This is only based on me sticking my head under one and taking a few quick measurements, like I said only time will tell. What I can say is everyone calling it weak, is basing it on OTHER BRANDS cvs and IFS and this is not the case on this vehicle. Same system with much better engineering designed with offroad in mind. About the 03 RR in general. IFS is hard to lift (though not impossible as Kyle says but any 03 RR lift will almost certainly have to be custom and as all IFS lifts are a compromise). Also body damage will be a bitch on them, tweak the body and forget it. No more bolt on fenders. I certainly don't see them as the expedition or hard core vehicle of choice but for what the majority of us use are trucks for I think they would be excelent. Slap some Mudtires on it and get some sill protection and a belly pan, maybe carry a couple of the low front suspension components for spares (rears suspension is absolutely huge) and I think you have a quite viable offroad vehicle that will tow anything and do triple digits on the turnpike. Ron BTW forgot to get prices on the CV for you kyle. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 458 Registered: 05-2002 |
Fuckity fuck fuck shit fuck hell...damn...cock! Do you guys mean to tell me that we went though all of this male bonding crap with Corey just do discuss watches? My diggity diggity bang bang ass we did! So far out future lawyer Ron B. has been the only one to refute any rr3 comments successfully. We simply cannot let this happen. This would mean that Corey might have some sort of advantage that the rest of us are left holding our privates with. So Ron, I can only assume that you know for a fact that the rr CV's are 3x stronger as you claim. This may have some solid engineering logic behind it as well. For the sake of argument (and the fact that I do not have to research this), lets say that I agree with you about the strength of the CV's. What happens when you link eight of these guys together? Do they become stronger as a total system or weaker? It would seem to me that by adding an additional CV to each axle shaft we immediately have a 50% reduction in strength. While one could assume that a 3X increase would outweigh this, it would make me wonder if the margins in the unproven technology aren't a little too close to call a 3X increase in strength any improvement in reliability. If you add to this the fact that this improvemnt would be negated on the rear axle the argument becomes academic at best. There are two CV's on a D1 or D2. Eight CV's on an RR. Let us assume that the reliabilty on the rr is .33, and since the Disco CV's are 3X less reliable they are 1.00. Two Disco CV's would then yield us a faliure probability of 2.00 while the either RR CV's would yield a faliure probability of 2.64. Assuming your 3X strength numbers are correct on either side of the equation, this would mean that you are still 32% more likely to have a CV faliure in a like-condition RR3 as you would a Disco. Math is a wonderful thing Curtis | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1513 Registered: 02-2002 |
John, I had no idea that Nasa Astronauts wore a watch much less three of them. That article states they even sport $100 Timexs. Pretty Damn cool. Oh Man that is great; Dont be a Bravo Foxtrot with the ice cream. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ron , wooden dowels come in that Diameter. Doesnt mean they will not break if you run them as axles. As for the rest , well , its designed to handle exactly what is there with a small margin of abuse. Every car maker does that to make cash. Do as much as you can with as little as possible... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 261 Registered: 11-2002 |
Also , 3X stronger when running straight. Since they arent running straight (And we know what happens then) they had to be designed better.That makes them stronger on the bench. Not necisarilly stronger on the truck... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 292 Registered: 02-2003 |
glenn, you calling the WOLF? john lee... lol your cup runneth over with this damn watch. i can see why now you've been irritable and picking on poor corey and the others. it's the goddamn watch. until you get this watch there will be no peace, no full nights of rest, just a lack of satisfaction stewing in your gut. Friends out here in discoweb world, let it be know that until that watch arrives,, john has been sporting an Omega that he cut out of a magazine and taped to his wrist and is running around the office screaming about his " Precious" rd -just need some diesel for my ford so i can keep on truckin' for the lord. | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2002 |
no doubt...the actual shaft part of the CV is never the part that fails. CV's are most often destroyed because the lubrication becomes contaminated and the very close tolerences then become sloppy . when there is slop the percussion of the parts chips and cracks the parts because they need to be very hard and brittle to prevent wear. once they start going they never last long . once again as Kyle pointed out way way way above the boot is the weak link. tear one and the joint is junk. Ron, sounds like you finnaly agree with me about diameter being the way to make something stronger....no more talk of "hytuff" 1" stronger then 1.5" and such when someone comes out with hummerish portals to lift a 03rr then the CV's will do just fine as they do in the H1. but having a fragile body of a BMW on a offroad truck would still keep is on the pavement if it were mine. THOM | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 54 Registered: 01-2003 |
So with the watch in space thing... Exactly what time zone would it be near or on the moon. You see, in Indiana we never change except for the Hammond area (near Chicago)and Evansville (near KY). So if the rocket launches in Clay City, IN at 9:30 a.m. and the rocket lands on the moon at 10:30 a.m. Clay City, IN time, would the astronauts have to set their Omega watches to Moon Time or would the Speedmaster do it on it's own? B.K. 95 Disco owner who wears a Triumph watch today. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2003 |
"I had no idea that Nasa Astronauts wore a watch much less three of them. That article states they even sport $100 Timexs. Pretty Damn cool." Yeah, I think it's pretty cool too. The Timex and G-Shock certification is a bit disappointing but I think we have to face the fact that watch technology has progressed to such a point that manual-winding mechanical watches like the $2600 Speedmaster Professional are outperformed by $100 digital watches. When NASA first sought out watches, it bought and tested some seriously high-dollar watches like Rolex, Patek, Bulova, Omega, etc. Those watches were the best-performing watches of their day. Nowadays, all of those watches are really eclipsed in terms of performance by the modern, Whiskey Tango watches. Nevertheless, the Speedmaster remains the favorite among NASA crews even today, and it is the standard by which the modern watches are judged. I think the reason for this is because NASA crews a human beings, and they would rather wear a Speedmaster instead of a Timex if only for the Bam factor. Furthermore, there is one other area where the modern watches cannot compete: longevity. The Speedmaster is made from solid steel and glass, and not rubber or plastic. Here is Edward White II's Speedmaster: http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/1stspacewatch.jpg Edward White II was the first American to "walk in space" and the first human to wear a watch in space. Here is the shot of Edward White walking in space with his Speedmaster: http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/edwhiteII.jpg Edward White II, Guss Grissom, and Roger Chaffee were killed during training for the Apollo I mission when a spark in the command module caused a severe fire that was fueled by the high-oxygen environment. That pic above is Edward White's Speedmaster AFTER the fire. It still runs, as attested by Edward White III: http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/white_letter.jpg That is some cool shit. I very much doubt a G-Shock or Ironman would survive several years of daily use and training by Edward White II before his Gemini IV mission, then survive the vacuum and temperature extremes of a space walk during the Gemini IV space walk, survive several years of daily use and training before the Apollo I mission, survive a fire, then survive several years of daily use by Edward White III, and then still work after 30 of cold storage. Eugene Cernan's Speedmaster that he wore on his Apollo XVII mission has cracks all over it, presumably from hard use and from the temperature extremes on the moon. But it still runs. | ||||||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2002 |
1915- Breitling invents the wristwatch chronograph. 1940- Breitling becomes official supplier for the Royal Air force. Continues to this day. 1942- Breitling invents the wristwatch slide rule, thus creating the first complete flight computer. 1962- Astronaut Scott Carpenter wears the Cosmonaute chronograph on his wrist during his orbital flight aboard the Aurora 7 space capsule. 1969- Breitling invents the self-winding chronograph movement. 1995- Breitling introduces the EMERGENCY series with built in 121.5 MHz aircraft emergency transmitter. 1999- Breitling submits its ENTIRE line to the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute- The first brand ever to do so. of course you can read more like this for yourself at www.breitling.com. Not trying to fire up an argument, just want to assert for the benefit of all, that Breitling is no slouch. A long and proud history of form and function. | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2002 |
jack, maybe function... but definetly not form. :D ---------- Ho Chung | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 62 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL. Yeah, whatever, Jack. | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 140 Registered: 02-2002 |
curtis, i follow your math there, but i have to say that is overly simplified. you'd have to take into account the rubber boot coefficient. ---------- Ho Chung | ||||||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 539 Registered: 07-2002 |
At least my H2 thread stayed on the original topic. | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2002 |
This is getting ridiculous! Now you guys are just trying to see if you could get this stupid thread up to 400 posts. Will that be a new record or something? Come to think of it, what the hell am I doing? I'm just contributing to the stupidity. That's it! From now on I will no longer check this dumb ass thread. I takes forever to load anyway. Dan | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Now you guys are just trying to see if you could get this stupid thread up to 400 posts" yeah so? ;-) | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jack, I went to the Breitling site and after viewing the various watches and Breitling's marketing, I have this strange urge to go and buy some Ray Ban's and a bomber jacket. I think those two items and a Breitling would match perfectly. Which Breitling do you have? I'm serious here. I'm dying to know. | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 640 Registered: 02-2002 |
no matter what Breitling it might be, it still will not cure the dreaded "Omega Fever" that seems to spreading. Jaime | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2003 |
Don't tell me, Jaime. You want one too? | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 641 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol! actually it does look pretty cool and it seems to do what my other watches that NASA chided don't do which is keep time. Jaime | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 55 Registered: 01-2003 |
I like birds. 384 only 16 more to go! B.K. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2002 |
Why stop at 400? | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 142 Registered: 02-2002 |
i think the second page kicks in at 401 posts. ---------- Ho Chung | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 704 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ho, is it an invitation? | ||||||
| Steve Sherman (Ssherman) Member Username: Ssherman Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2002 |
Do you have any relevant data that proves the second page will kick in at 401? lol | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2168 Registered: 02-2002 |
Crap, look at all I missed.... BIG storm blew over, killed the phone lines at the house last night (not physically IN the house, just somewhere in the valley...) missed all the good stuff. Then was in the field today... Glenn, hang on... N36°35.604' W82°41.084' That'll be awfully close.... I've got a G-shock but I never wear it, I always have my Seiko on instead.... and no, I wouldn't trust it to catch the bus on time, the weight adjustment occasionally slips: it'll tell time fine, then the next day it'll be an hour fast by the end of the day, then it'll be accurate for another week or so, then get wacky for a couple of days... I just haven't taken the time off to take it to a shop to have it regulated. I'd take an Omega..... but it has to have a laser in it that can cut through a jail-cell's bars in case any Mid-East terrorists capture me when I'm filling in for Bond.... lol..... Oh, BTW.... Jack Schmidt, he's a geologist too... I always thought it made more sense to have geologists be moon astronauts, and thought it odd that he was one of the last ones there instead of one of the first ones... -L | ||||||
| my96disco (Trevorh) Member Username: Trevorh Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2002 |
Depending on how long this thread goes on for, one of two things will happen. 1. Some new spy photos will turn up and the thread will be back on track or 2. It will be the end of 2004 and the new 2005 will be released and we will be able to post marketing material. Either way I think this will hit the 400 mark :-) Trevor | ||||||
| ed hart (Adifferentedh) Member Username: Adifferentedh Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2002 |
ok what's wrong with the colt automatic? http://www.breitling.com/en/models/aeromarine/colt_automatic/index.php?size=800& fs=no | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 642 Registered: 02-2002 |
Leslie 007 wore a Rolex vs an Omega at least in the books Fleming wrote he wore a Rolex. Jaime | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1389 Registered: 02-2002 |
Not only do we need relevant data that it kicks over to the second page, I want real data that the second page will be better than the first! My 21st birthday Rolex has been broken three times, sent back to Switzerland twice to be repaired. About 1986, the gold and stainless band developed cracks in of all places, the stainless links and I discontinued wearing it. I now have a velcro band with paper clips as spring pins. The crystal is terribly torn up, and the damned thing has never kept good time. I'm afraid that if an astronaut were to try to use it for navigation, he might make it to the wrong solar system! In my case, owning a Rolex is proof that my mother didn't think she'd wasted enough money educating me (all nine years of it) and apparently had some more to spend. No wonder I love my Land Rover, other than the leaks, it is very similar to my Rolex, both are seen by way too many to be "Status Symbols" in spite of the appearance of both. Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2169 Registered: 02-2002 |
Old Bond, was a Rolex. Then a Seiko in the 70s. New ones, an Omega...... -L | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 580 Registered: 02-2002 |
I think they even came up with a "Bond Edition" Omega. Hhhmmm, I'm almost positive I saw one when I was at a jewelry store. BTW, do the 400th poster get a prize? | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 643 Registered: 02-2002 |
you mean there is anything else worth discussing than "old" Bond?? Jaime | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 460 Registered: 05-2002 |
Ho - I had to keep the math pretty simple. This is just that kinda place In reality the rubber boot coefficient would be offset in a standard distribution. I tried to keep the faliures all within 95% of the population and no more that two StDevs from the mean. Even more simple math: More CV's = more problems | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2382 Registered: 04-2002 |
I have some sort of Omega that I inherited from my grandfather back at my parents house. I'm not big into watches or anything since I never wear one and I never really looked into exactly what it was since its value is purely sentimental to me, now I'm sort of curious to figure out exactly what it is though I didn't realize Omega was a big name watch or anything (about all I know is 'Rolexes are supposed to be nice' ) | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2003 |
New Bond is an Omega Pimpmaster: http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_watch?ID=1252&line=116&gen=G&sublineID=360 If you're going to spend the $$$$ for a Seasmaster, you might as well bite the bullet and get the Real McCoy dive watch: http://www.rolex.com/oyster/big/a16610-pr-ac-oy-ad-no-no.jpg | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 168 Registered: 07-2002 |
Am I #400? What do I win? A Rolex? | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 644 Registered: 02-2002 |
its only appropriate that the person starting gets the prize! Jaime | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2003 |
Alan, I think the 400th poster gets a Breitling. Sorry. | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 705 Registered: 09-2002 |
Curtis, it is not a minor change. In a D1 or RRC, there's no rubber boot to protect the CV, it's inside that greasy ball. In the RR3, there are 8 CVs and 8 rubber boots. peter | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 169 Registered: 07-2002 |
That's ok John, I'll just keep my $1.99 convenience store g-shock special. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2003 |
Good choice, Alan. | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 645 Registered: 02-2002 |
where is that second page?? | ||||||
| David Caton (Catonincarolina) Member Username: Catonincarolina Post Number: 57 Registered: 05-2002 |
I just have to get a post in here. I think every user of Dweb has one....... My vote for the watch...... http://www.tagheuer.com Caton | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2003 |
So no more fighting? I need something to read this weekend. I got absolutley nothing accomplished at work this week because of this thread and no more ass kicking? Damnit, where is Corey? Maybe he went to prove that the airbox does close for 15 seconds and he drowned. B.K. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 293 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes tags are great thats what i wear, but I also love my rolex you can't compare to the classic styling, namely the GMT! | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 294 Registered: 11-2002 |
well hey brendan go start a fight yourself . You could find someones ass to kick, but don't kick mine! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 68 Registered: 03-2003 |
TAG? You're shitting me, right? Even Breitling is better than TAG. They should TAG by its real name: PriceTAG. The prices of those cheap-shit TAG's is crazy. For example, here is the Madame Kirium Quartz Chronograph: http://www.tagheuer.com/watches/detail.lbl?watch=CL1110.BA0700&search=s:4 "What are you made of?" LOL. I don't know, but it's certainly not made of "Kirium". | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 297 Registered: 11-2002 |
I got the kirium quartz $1,000 off the actual price. I haven't found a bretling that cheap. In fact the tag costs the same as my rolex did. | ||||||
| Derek Reed (Dmr) New Member Username: Dmr Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2002 |
I was looking at a Zenith Class El Primero, but Jack suggested I take a look a IWC instead. How do these stack up to the Speedmaster Pro? | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 69 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, that's what I mean. Same price as a real watch like Rolex or Omega or whatever. Hence, the "PriceTAG". But it's not a real watch. Remember, this is a POS quartz watch, little different inside than some Timex you can buy at REI for $100. At least the Timex and Casio watches don't try to be what they're not. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2002 |
anyone know how much those speedmaster pros are now? Back in 89 we had a chance to get one for about $600, but didn't. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 299 Registered: 11-2002 |
actually i got both the tag and rolex for $800 each. And it is a real watch John! What do you think of as a "real watch"? | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 70 Registered: 03-2003 |
Derek, Zenith & IWC are both nice. Almost all of the nice companies have both pimp and nice watches. Exceptions are TAG and Breitling I think, which have only pimp watches. Speedmaster Pro is a weird watch. You have to be into the history of it with the entire NASA thing to love it, I think. Otherwise, it's just another nice chronograph. And I daresay had NASA not adopted the Speedmaster and used it in space and on the Moon, Omega would probably have discontinued the Speedmaster Professional years ago. The Speedy Pro is a manual winder, which most people hate. Personally, I get a great amount of pleasure winding my watches. I also prefer manual winders because I can keep all of my watches wound and running. With an automatic, you have to wear it every day or get one of those cheeseball winding boxes that you see advertised in the DuPont Registry or Cigar Aficionado type of magazines. You might be a Speedmaster type of guy. Heckler & Koch P7. Benchmade Osborne folder. Speedmaster Pro. All are very nice. | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2003 |
All this talk about fancy watches makes me feel like a cheap bastard. I am happy when the campmor catalog comes and once every other year I buy some timex/casio closeout for like $10. The only watch I spent money on was a Suunto Vector; http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=4000000800 0&productId=28195&parent_category_rn=4500566 The only reason I spent money on it was I worked at rei and got a hell of a deal and though having a way to track barometeric pressure while mountaineering was a good idea. The worst part is the damn thing is to big for my skinny wrists and I hate wearing it, I guess I need to get a real man's watch. What should be a good first non- CB watch choice? | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 301 Registered: 11-2002 |
So John would a rolex GMT-master and an omega constilation be pimp or nice watches? | ||||||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1319 Registered: 02-2002 |
Now, I decide to take an hour out of my day to see why this topic got 400+ posts and you got to bring me into it huh John? Ya, I told you to take the dick out of your mouth. I'm sure that it is easier to remove then the stick that is up your ass. Either way fuck you. I think that it is really funny that you remember that. As for you getting an Omega I'm sure that you will be very happy with it. I love mine. Hell, knowing that I have one maybe you want to re-think your purchase. Eric proud member of the John Lee fan club | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 203 Registered: 01-2003 |
I should also add I want this new watch I want to be able to handle setting up ladders over ravines, and handle river crossings that my Reserve Air Intake System on my submersible D1 takes me through, and be able to repair RR3 cv's without removing it. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 302 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yea get an omega I also have one of those, but it is the dressy constilation, but it has held up very well. Even while doing my rowing work and such i haven't had anything brake on it! | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 582 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey we're not that far from 500 posts | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 304 Registered: 11-2002 |
hehe this is the longest thread i have seen! I thought the H2 one was long, Jesus! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, whatever. As I said before, all of the various watch companies have nice watches and pimp watches in their line. They have to stay in business and make watches for everyone. I couldn't care less what watch you have. Chris, If you love your TAG, keep on loving it. Why should my opinion of the TAG matter so much to you? And since you asked, I like the Rolex GMT. I prefer the Submariner but the GMT is very nice. For the Constellation, there are nice ones and there are pimp ones and there are shit ones. There are some very nice vintage Constallations. However, all of the Constellations in Omega's current line are either pimp or shit: http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_co_gents_home?sublineID=115&sexID=63 | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 305 Registered: 11-2002 |
I do love my tag, even thought I haven't actually gotten it yet since it is my graduation gift. I have wanted one since they came out. And the omega is this http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_watch?ID=1072&line=115&gen=G&sublineID=341 I don't think it is pimp or shit, yes there is some gold but there is very little on it. You like hamiltons or cartiers by chance? | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 306 Registered: 11-2002 |
John what about one, do you think it might be pimp? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2632115888&category=31387 | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2002 |
I dont think any of those fancy pimp watches can take the wrath of the welder... Luminox Titanium.... Fuck NASA...  "Blow me" | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 307 Registered: 11-2002 |
nice watch, I have one similar to that that i think they discontinued, it looks kinda like a bubble sorta. You have a problem with your crystal getting really scratched up? | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 72 Registered: 03-2003 |
Chris, If you love that Constellation, then keep on loving it. I'm just voicing my opinion. It's just an opinion. I'm sure I have stuff that you would look down on as well. So be it. It's not the end of the world for either of us. That Constellation has a lot going for it. The battery on it will last a full 25 months and you'll never have to wind it. That watch will even warn you when the battery is running low. The gold-plated accents on it will also protect the stainless steel under the gold plating. That Rolex is nothing. I've seen worse on Ho's wrist. The most pimp Rolex I have ever seen was a gold nugget Rolex. You've seen nugget jewelry? Imagine a nugget Rolex. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2002 |
You talking to me about the Crystal Chris ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2002 |
nugget jewelry? | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 310 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea mine is scrached to hell and i can't get them off. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 268 Registered: 11-2002 |
No , I am never really optimistic about much and wasnt about this watch. I have had so many of them eaten by the welder or other things mechanical. I have reached down many times and brushed the slag off the face only to see that its still looking new. If I cant do what I want while wearing the watch then its worthless.. Fuck the price tag or what may be stamped on the back.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Member Username: Jkatka Post Number: 242 Registered: 02-2002 |
Watches!? I was looking at the welds and trying to figure out what Kyle had in the mole grips JK | ||||||
| John (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 93 Registered: 08-2002 |
OK John, that's it! You just called my favorite watch a Pimpmaster! I had to decide between the Seamaster and Speedmaster and liked the Seamaster better because I hadn't seen as many before. I was just gonna place a big order with EE, but now you've lost me as a customer!!! LOL Seriously John, I really like my Omega and bought it before I knew it was the "James Bond Edition". As for Rolex's, yeah I suppose they're alright but I think they're the real Pimp watches. Rolex's remind me of either a Rapper's watch, or the guy on the dive boat with the patches all over his wetsuit, giant knife on his leg, and a GMT on his wrist who has a better chance of sleeping with a group of supermodels before obtaining neutral boyancy for any length of time!!! Most people who don't know jack about fine watches buy a Rolex, which doesn't make them bad watches, just not my thing. Anyway, just my opinion no offense to anyone who has/loves there Rolex/GMT. And I won't even mention Tag. Not a fan! And as for beaters, ya gotta love G-Shocks! I wear mine everyday and really beat the holy crap out of it! Had a first edition, years ago, and strapped it to my snowboard so that I could just look down and see the time. I don't know what happened to it but I'm sure it's still running! And John, I would take you as a automatic guy! I'm surprised. But I understand because I haven't gotten around to buying one of those watch winders, because I don't really like too many any of them. The ones I do like aren't worth the price, to me. And before you tell me I'm ruining my nice auto's, I know! And for people not really into watches, there are some really good deals out there for not alot of money. Most people who aren't into watches think you have to spend alot to get a good watch, and that's not true! I'm more into beaters because they're less common. I love my newly aquired Stocker & Yale P660 Officers edition. Sort of a better than original copy. Sorry for the long post, I just love watches! I leave you with a tip, check out O&W's line Ollech & Wajs. They're awsome, and a GREAT value! | ||||||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sorry to dissappoint, I haven't accquired a Breitling yet. I was going to buy one as a graduation present to myself, but other items took priority. Currently I wear a tog-hoyer. I'm pretty happy with it. I don't think they make too much of a chronograph so mine is fairly basic, but it has held up very well. I haven't taken a welder to mine like Kyle (read structural reinforcement) but it does well for spear fishing and other pretty rough activities. I'd say among the finest time pieces are those of Breguet and A. Lange Sohn, but they can't pal around like the IWC or the Navitimer I plan on buying. I think Patek makes a good watch, but their styling isn't my favorite. On the upper end I lean more to the F. Muller 24 hour, but at that point it's pretty much just jewelery or artwork depending on how you look at it. I do have a Hamilton pocket watch that I'm pretty fond of. Oh and for what it's worth I think an Automatic is worth the weight penalty. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 73 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, "Most people who don't know jack about fine watches buy a Rolex, which doesn't make them bad watches, just not my thing." Man, you have to remember that you're talking to a KOREAN here. Every damn Korean in Los Angeles has a Rolex, with the most common being either the GMT or the Submariner with the combination stainless/gold finish. The average Korean couldn't tell the difference between a Rolex and a Rollex, but every Korean has got to have a Rolex. If you have an Omega, you're shit. Koreans equate cost with quality and don't know anything about fine watches or wannabe watches or pimp watches. That's one of the main motivators for my wanting a Speedmaster. That way, all these Korean morons can poke fun at me for having a "cheap" watch and I can just say "whatever" and crack up inside. I actually like that Seamaster a lot. I just can't separate that watch from the cheeseball way Omega advertises it as the 007 Deathmaster. Here's another Seamaster that I like: http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_watch?ID=1268&line=116&gen=G&sublineID=364 That's the full-on pimp special, but I kinda dig it. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Most people who don't know jack about fine watches buy a Rolex, which doesn't make them bad watches, just not my thing." I don't think that is exactly true, my father got it because he has always wanted one and he needed a very strong watch since he was a military man. While in Germany he found a great deal on it. And the rapper have the 'bling bling' type full of diamonds and other rare stones. Just my $.02 | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2003 |
So, are watches jewelry or simply for telling time? And if the later, then whats the point in spending money getting a 300m certified submariner or an omega that operate in the vacumn of space? I'm an avid diver, but I use my gshock when I dive and leave the, ahh, TAG (sotto voice) at home. I'm actualy looking for a good argument to take to my wife because I want a seamaster or submariner! | ||||||
| John (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 94 Registered: 08-2002 |
Patek Philippe and Franck Muller both make the finest watches money can buy! I would/could never own either one! Again, just my opinion. John, I couldn't stop laughing at your reply! I'm very familiar with korean culture having been close friends with a few koreans. I hate to generalize, but they do seem somewhat materialistic. And most of the koreans that I've been friends with were the exact opposite! Mostly to rebel from there label wearing moms and Golf playing dads. LOL. Anyway, Yeah I was really pissed six months after buying my Seamaster to see it plastered all over every NYC Bus, with James Bond endorsing it! And not even the Cool Bond (the original), but Pierced Nutsac! Gimme a fucking break! | ||||||
| John (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 95 Registered: 08-2002 |
Chris, what I said was "Most people who don't know jack about fine watches buy a Rolex. Not, "Most people who buy Rolex's don't know jack about fine watches" Just to clarify. Rolex's are good watches! | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 312 Registered: 11-2002 |
sorry my bad. The only bad thing about mine is that it keeps adding time. I just need to take it in to get it cleaned and such | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 261 Registered: 11-2002 |
ok kyle what contra-ban toy is in the welders vise grips? | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 74 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, I'm glad to see that you and I see pretty much eye to eye on watches. Even though you're bound to get the thumbs up from some moron on the street, wear that Seamaster proudly. It's a really nice watch. Just don't go bragging at parties that you're wearing "Pierce Brosnan's Choice". | ||||||
| John (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 96 Registered: 08-2002 |
Chris Sharpe, the answer is both. If people collected fine watches just to keep better time those people would never be late! Obviously not the case! LOL But buying a "Good" watch for when you dive is good idea. How much you spend is a personal choice. How often you dive and whether you want a more recognizable name or not, are a couple of deciding factors. The company I mentioned O&W make excellent watches, using the exact same movements as very expensive watch company's. Same cases and crowns too on some models! Very reasonably priced! | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 269 Registered: 11-2002 |
A watch stand.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2003 |
"are watches jewelry or simply for telling time?" I think watches can be one or the other, or both. If you buy a G-Shock, it's probably for telling time. If you buy a Rolex, it's probably more for the jewlery thing. For me, nice watches are definitely both for telling time and for jewlery. If I wanted a watch strictly for telling time, I would get some digital watch. However, my life is not so tightly organized that I need a super-accurate watch. I much prefer the to feel and appreciate the intricacy of a fine mechanical movement. I love winding manual movements or putting the watch up to my ear and hearing the ratcheting sounds of the movement within the solid steel case. I get a great deal of pleasure from these activities. "And if the later, then whats the point in spending money getting a 300m certified submariner or an omega that operate in the vacumn of space?" Well, to me that's half the fun of owning these high-dollar pieces. I'm never going to dive to 300 meters. I would fucking implode at that depth. But it's cool to know the watch can take that kind of pressure without rupturing. Same goes for space. I very much doubt I'm ever going to make it to space. But knowing my watch was worn in space and survived makes it more pleasurable to own. There's so much bullshit to put up with in one's daily life. You bust your ass at work every day. Wearing a nice watch makes it that much more bearable or pleasurable (assuming you're into the watch thing). "I'm an avid diver, but I use my gshock when I dive and leave the, ahh, TAG (sotto voice) at home." Next time you go diving, you might take the TAG. It'll heighten the experience. Nothing is cooler than doing some outdoor activity with a high-dollar watch strapped to your wrist. Most people leave the good stuff at home. Pah! They don't know how to live. Half the fun of owning these fine tools is using them. For example, Ho is all into the pimp stuff. He has a gold/stainless GMT Rolex. I hate this watch. That half gold/half stainless bullshit is for the people who can't afford a real gold watch. But Ho knows how to wear his GMT. He wears it all the time. He wears it while wrenching under his Disco. He wears it in the field. Ho knows that life is too short to be leaving the good stuff at home. For all of Ho's pimpitude, that is fucking cool. I admire that. | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 161 Registered: 10-2002 |
Where in the hell did Corey go? I keep waiting for more of his enlightening repartee... I am definitely "whiskey tango" as I like quartz analog watches. No worries and no maintenance except batteries. If I break it just buy a new one. The only "real" watch I have is a Baume & Mercier Automatic and it's a pain to reset if I don't wear it every day. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2003 |
Is pimpitude a word? Good points, and I tend to agree with you. Especialy about leaving the good stuff at home, but after destroying a few cheap watches diving over the years, I'm hesitant to wear the nicer ones except under the most moderate of conditions. Thanks. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 313 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yea corey come back this isn't as fun!!! | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 756 Registered: 09-2002 |
Corey! Corey! Corey! Corey! | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 162 Registered: 10-2002 |
I use a TAG/Heuer for diving and like it very much. I've had it for about 14 years and it's held up well. I certainly didn't pay retail for it-I got it down off 6th & Hill Streets in LA for about $200-300 (I think it retailed at the time for about $700.) Give me a cheap Swiss Army, Luminox, or Zodiac and I'm happy. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 76 Registered: 03-2003 |
I wonder which watch Corey likes. One_Bad_Tissot? | ||||||
| Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Member Username: Tripp Post Number: 134 Registered: 08-2002 |
Ok, I haven't piped up in this thread and after 452 posts I'm feeling left out. I'll do a quick rundown of answers to questions never asked me but are in the thread. 1. 05 disco looks terrible 2. Corky, Cory, whatever. 3,Had a Tag (still do actually), but recently got a Suunto for sailing (timers, barometer, compass etc) There, I feel better. | ||||||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well I do dive a little so dievr watches are it for me. I have a Seamaster and I bought it before it became a Bondmaster. However, since I'm a Bond fan, I don't mind it being a Bond watch one bit. I also have a Swiss made copy of the Submariner in the steel/gold finish. It was only plated, so I peeled the gold from the bracelet and it is all well. Nice watch for low $$$. I like Breitling Colt Supreocean for its large digits and genarally easy to read face. I also like the new Seamaster (black dial with rectangular marks as opposed to the dots). I also like Rolex but if I were to buy the real thing, then this would be it http://www.rolex.com/oyster/fich_sea.html Oh, And I don't know anything about the Rover CVs. | ||||||
| Tony DiFranco (Nhrover) Member Username: Nhrover Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2002 |
oh my god I can not believe I just read that entire thread?!!! What the hell was I thinking? Talk about wondering where the "time" went. Is there an end in site? Ho how many posts so far? Damn Corey you just have NO clue when to quit do you. - Tony D | ||||||
| Tony DiFranco (Nhrover) Member Username: Nhrover Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2002 |
never mind on the # of posts stupid question 458 -Tony D | ||||||
| ed hart (Adifferentedh) Member Username: Adifferentedh Post Number: 65 Registered: 12-2002 |
Can you just summarize the thread with this : That's it Mr. Lee I have had enough . I was planning a substantial order of your rovertym springs ,but you pissed me off but good.From now on I'll be ordering all my roversolutions stuff from Bill at GBR ,because he knows how to carve a trail like a man , and your such a fuckity fuck puss . Love, Corky Now has anyone tried the god damned bilstein engine flush shit yet? Really , anyone ? | ||||||
| Michael Slade (Serious_one) New Member Username: Serious_one Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2003 |
judas priest! What a thread. Well, I'll throw in my .02 cents. I have 2 watches. A Swiss Army, black nylon band, black face (takes the beating the LR's gives it), and a Rolex bubbleback I inherited from my Grandfather. I believe that it's from the '30's back when Rolex was just another watch and not a status symbol. When I wear the Rolex everyone thinks I'm super rich, especially when they find out I have two *matching* Range Rovers. Sheehse. | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 204 Registered: 08-2002 |
Going back to the RR3 for a sec. Eliminate the Cv's, and ••••••/transfercase and add an invidually powered wheel/tire/electric motor powered by those new "fuel cells" to each corner of that suspension. Make it water tight...now you can splish and splash all day and no worry of hydrolock. | ||||||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2002 |
Eight years ago, my old boss gave me a brand new Rolex Explorer (all stainless w/black dial)as a bonus. Pretty cool looking, not too pimpy and I too dig the mechanics and the way it's built. But...a Rolex just seemed a little too much for me, so I gave it to my Dad. He wore it for years, and died unexpectedly a few years ago. Before he left the house for the last time, he took it off so that nothing would happen to it. Now, he was one tough old ex-Navy man who could fix anything with a motor, from J3 Cubs to John Deeres, to BMW's. I've been wearing the Explorer since that day, and I wear it doing everything. Wrenching, building, mountain biking, skiing, you-name-it. And at least once a day I look at it and smile, remembering what a cool guy he was - like my Dad, this is one tough watch. Like John Lee said, I also enjoy knowing that my life is not so organized that I need to know what time it is to the nanosecond. I'll have this Explorer forever, and hopefully my kids will wear it one day too. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 201 Registered: 02-2003 |
My dad too has an explorer, he got it in Switzerland many years ago. It continues to tick, like Rover's it needs to be serviced or it wont function...... | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 163 Registered: 10-2002 |
After work I was inspired to call an old dive buddy. He told me that Zodiac doesn't make the old Sea Wolf any more and now it's owned by FOSSIL!! Next I'll find out that Luminox is now owned by Anne Klein, dammit!! I think Corey would wear...One_Bad_Fossil? One_Bad_Pulsar? Hmmm... Come on Corey, Kyle needs an ass-whipping! | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 25 Registered: 04-2003 |
A Rolex is not a watch... Its a timepiece.. get it right... My Explorer II has been beaten to shit for 7 years now and works like a charm. If you got a Rolex for $800 then its either a fake, or was broken before you got it.. The trade in on even the most destroyed ones at a jeweler is $1000 | ||||||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1320 Registered: 02-2002 |
Damn, so I got the extra pimp watch then John.. Here is my every day watch. /newurl{http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_watch?ID=1243&line=116&gen=G&sublineID=364} this is my not so every day watch /newurl{http://www.rolex.com/oyster/fich_sea.html} and I also have a watch that I some time wear that I like as well but, not nearly in the same price range and that is a Suunto X-Lander. More of a toy then a watch but, it has it's value. /newurl{www.suunto.com} Eric proud member of the John Lee fan club | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2002 |
Holy shit Batman! We've only be gone for Gotham city for one day and look what they've done! Your right Robin, they all need to come up for air...sometime! | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2002 |
Forget about the watches for a while....Anyone got a supercharger for sale? | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2002 |
is there one bad disco out there? corey must be out shopping for old watches in ghost towns time to go get muddy ...see ya | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 757 Registered: 09-2002 |
I use my dash clock as a watch. It has a nice on off function that is operated my a fist pounding on the dash. | ||||||
| John (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 97 Registered: 08-2002 |
Brian, that's called a stopwatch! LOL Jack, that's a beautiful story. You're very fortunate to have had such a great dad!!! And as a result, you're kids have a great dad too. Eric, how do you like that X-Lander? Years ago I asked my dad what the difference between a watch and a timepiece was, and he said "About two grand!" Best answer I've ever heard to that question. | ||||||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1321 Registered: 02-2002 |
The X-lander is pretty good. It has some pretty cool and useful features. It is pretty big though and you want to try and keep the face out of the sun since it's an LCD. I have had it for almost 3 years now and I didn't have to change the battery out till a few months ago. One thing about the compass though is you have to calibrate it offten (which isn't hard) and the watch does so much that it is hard to remember how to do some of the lesser used functions. I wouldn't take it diving. It says it's good to 30 meters but, I wouldn't try it. I have taken it snorkeling but, I wouldn't using it when I go diving. Rates real low on the pimp and coolness factor. However I have never seen anyone else wearing one so there is the unique and different factor. It was well worth the $300 that I paid for it and for a hiker/mountian climber it is a very useful tool since not only does it have the compass and altimeter but, it will also track barometric changes. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 77 Registered: 03-2003 |
"If you got a Rolex for $800 then its either a fake, or was broken before you got it.. The trade in on even the most destroyed ones at a jeweler is $1000" Agreed. I wasn't going to say anything but since you mentioned it, the $800 for the GMT and the $600 for the Speedmaster Pro are just too good to be true. Maybe Chris got sold a ROLLEX and an ONEGA? | ||||||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Member Username: Charles Post Number: 191 Registered: 08-2002 |
I'll tell you what. No body is a bigger dumbass than me. I have not one but 4 Movados my wife and I have two matching sets. I cant even tell you the time. When someone asks me "What time is it?" I just show them my watch or I look at my phone. The only thing I can say about them is they clean off fantastic. The face of the watch doesnt have a scratch and I put it through hell. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 315 Registered: 11-2002 |
No my father was in germany and got he from the military exchange. He got it directly from rolex. And it is definatly real unless it is such a good fake that certified dealers can be fooled, like 2 or 3 of them. Its the same that I got my tag for $800 when it costs like 1800 new. | ||||||
| John Friederich (Jfriedlvcmcom) New Member Username: Jfriedlvcmcom Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2003 |
At risk of comments about my gender preference, I'll admit that I like Rado - I've got 2 of them, the first is over 20 years old, the second over 10 years old. One or the other is worn 24 hours / day, every day, rock climbing or wrenching. With their all ceramic bands & case, and saphire curved face, they both look brand new. I also like the way they look. Bought my wife one 7 or 8 years ago, and she's never taken it off. So there is my confession...I'll never buy anything from John Lee or Ho again if they say anything about this in a disparaging way. (Other than the Titanic sliders I've got planned). John F John F | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 583 Registered: 02-2002 |
All those watches can be had for $25 all day long in Chinatown here in NYC. Hey Roche, isn't that where you got your watches from? Glenn | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 58 Registered: 01-2003 |
I installed my new 15 second air reserve system in my Disco to help me go under water like the RR3's that Corey designed. While it doesn't have an auto flap, it does have a pressure actuator. It was designed as a cooperative effort by Breitling and Omega. I hope all of you enjoy it. If you want one, let me know. The system is very easy to install. B.K. 95 Disco with air tank for underwater driving.  | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2003 |
now that's funny | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 206 Registered: 02-2003 |
its not as funny as it is dirty | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 164 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think you mixed up your pics-that's the rover with the underhood fire control system... | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 769 Registered: 09-2002 |
HeHe....that is funny. I could use both a underwater breathing aparatus and a under hood fire controll unit. Very ingenious. | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 114 Registered: 10-2002 |
Casio makes a watch that chimes at the appropriate time for prayer and points the direction to Mecca. Might make a good direction finder...at least we'll always know where East is! BTW, can we start another thread on these subjects, it takes me ages just to get this thread open. Like "Disco spy shots II" | ||||||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 59 Registered: 01-2003 |
It became dirty when I tested it in my pond. The air tank has a self cleaning surface that does not allow dirt or foreign material to attach itself. It does have an uncanny resemblance to a fire supression system though. | ||||||
| Mike Goodell (Mikegoodell) New Member Username: Mikegoodell Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2002 |
Not to divert this entertaining discussion about watches, but has anyone seen the article in the June issue of Petersons 4wheel & of road about Walker Evans new truck? It starts on page 92, and if this is the future of all around independent suspension, sign me up!! 2" halfshafts, 6" diameter CV's, 40 degrees of shaft angle before it even thinks of binding? I want one. I'm not sure how much power it will ultimately take but he is only putting 140hp and 150 ftlbs of torque into it from a GM 4cyl. that fits well within a rovers power band !!! P.S. Timex Ironman watches rule !! 40 bucks at Wal-Mart and easily programmed via computer! Mike G. 96 Disco SD | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2002 |
John Friederich "At risk of comments about my gender preference, I'll admit that I like Rado - I've got 2 of them" Rados are excellent time pieces, I too had two of them, they now belong to the guy who cleaned my house out for me. I purchased them before the price increase about 7 years ago, seems like they double in price aevery couple of years. I'll have to say that Rado is the only watch I have never been able to scratch. | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 118 Registered: 10-2002 |
Or hang on to! | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1515 Registered: 02-2002 |
I can't believe this, I go away camping for three days and we are over 400 posts. | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1391 Registered: 02-2002 |
Cory has not responded recently as he is unable to tell time! Brendan-get that fire extinguisher back into the factory before you have a fire and somebody says the fire extinguisher is in Brendan's truck! The least you could have done was used an SCBA tank! Rolex-owning one means your parents had too much $ and you still don't know what time it is. Someday, I'll post a picture and most of you won't even recognize it is a Rolex from the wear. Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 773 Registered: 09-2002 |
I want some of that technolgy that repels dirt like the under water LR thingy. Or maybe something that repels rocks. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 464 Registered: 05-2002 |
I have been dilligently working on a new VTOL technology that will effectively lift my rig over any obstaces or water crossings. If my plans do not pan out, I may try to figure out how to attach a helicopter to the roof. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2002 |
Roland Kutasi "Or hang on to!" That hit a sore spot..... :-( | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
I go to the Kentucky Derby and come back to this. I left to "I never really said I would kick your ass", to "That sure is a great fucking watch, wish I had one to go to the moon with". Too much love. So her goes.... I'm in the Guard had to ride in a hummer 100 miles to the Derby. H1's ride like shit and are a pain in the ass to work on. Seiko watches rule all others are...A) not as good or B) too fancy to be practical. Speaking of watches did you know that Land Rover was going to make a line of watches. It didn't work out, they couldn't keep them from leaking. It was going to be called the sunroof line. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 465 Registered: 05-2002 |
Bill, I have a Seiko Kinetic Titanium that has been the worst watch I have ever owned. My wife and I bought each other matching sets for our anniversary about five years ago. They each seem to get sent back to Seiko for a bebuild after about six months of use. Jewelers have told me what garbage the Kinetics are, but the battery ones are pretty bulletproof. Still - mine died for the 8th time in January and I am not even bothering to send it back. I thought the problem with the LR watches was they they could not engineer tham to leak enough oil | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2003 |
Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed. Repeat, the Eagle has landed. (Translation: The Omega Speedmaster is here.) I'm off to Downtown to pick up this little gem. If you never hear back from me, I was mugged and killed/injured. Wish me luck. | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2171 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL! Snap a pic once it's on the wrist and post it... We've almost hit 500... gotta think of something to get a few more posts... Curtis: you don't like the kintetic? I was wondering about 'em.... I thought it sounded like an interesting idea... oh well.... Guess I'll stick w/ my Seiko automatic divewatch... I did replace the rubber strap with a steel band instead, looks a little better IMHO... Oh, what about Chronosport? Any good, or not? -L | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 776 Registered: 09-2002 |
ummm....thinking of something to say....how about bump. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 467 Registered: 05-2002 |
John - Congrats on the watch! Les - Stay away from the Kinetics. I thought it was a great idea as well, but it turned out to be a waste of money and time. Mine has even been rebuilt with all of the latest Kintetic revisions. Still crap. I am definitely in the market for something good now. | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 210 Registered: 08-2002 |
I have a swiss army watch...$130.00 retail. Thats #499 folks. -Chris | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 330 Registered: 11-2002 |
oh yeah the big 500!!!! | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 777 Registered: 09-2002 |
Now what.....this thread has been on life support for a while now. someone needs to pull the plug. it is brain dead, and destined to live out it's life as a vegitible. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 331 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea exactly brian and it takes so damn long to open no more corey so no more fun.. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 79 Registered: 03-2003 |
Fate is kind She brings to those who love The sweet fulfillment of Their secret longing Like a bolt out of the blue Fate steps in and pulls you through When you wish upon a star Your dreams come true | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 781 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dammit John......I am compelled to open this thread every time there is a new post. It take 5 min. for the damb thing to load and now you are tyring to resurect it. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2002 |
well.....post a pic! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 81 Registered: 03-2003 |
Man, it looks like any other Speedy Pro. Just like this: http://www.omegawatches.com/omega/co_watch?ID=1302&line=117&gen=G&sublineID=370 http://213.237.13.198/nik/gallery/pictorial/index2_html Same shit as those pics. And don't worry, Ron. This thing will be in your face all day this Saturday. You're gonna be on Speedmaster overload and want to buy a Breitling or something. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2002 |
I want to compare your real one to my fake one... | ||||||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2003 |
so now... when should we expect to see this on the EE product page? | ||||||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 199 Registered: 10-2002 |
"Not to divert this entertaining discussion about watches, but has anyone seen the article in the June issue of Petersons 4wheel & of road about Walker Evans new truck? It starts on page 92, and if this is the future of all around independent suspension, sign me up!! 2" halfshafts, 6" diameter CV's, 40 degrees of shaft angle before it even thinks of binding? I want one. I'm not sure how much power it will ultimately take but he is only putting 140hp and 150 ftlbs of torque into it from a GM 4cyl. that fits well within a rovers power band !!! " Just what I always say. It can be done but it has to be done properly. Look at what he's using for a vehicle that's probably 1/3 of the weight of the Disco (in Kyle's case probably almost a 1/4 ). Nice ground celarance but only in the middle and all those joints and bushings. Hmmm. I still prefer solid axles for what I do. But I'd guess his rides nicer. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well said Milan | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2003 |
Curtis, Thanks for the heads up on the kinetics, I thought they pretty cool. I have a Seiko Divers. I can't get the regulator right. I either gain or lose time. I wonder what kind of watch Corey has? | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 331 Registered: 02-2002 |
Whatever kind he has, it'd better be able to handle these horrific conditions. Surely he is prepared for all of the trail-blazing he does.  Oh wait, are those ProComp lights I see next to those PIAA covers? LOL, never mind. Armitron, that's what kind of watch Corey has. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 349 Registered: 11-2002 |
Maybe he is trying out the RR 15 second box thingy on his disco:  I wonder what the results were. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 350 Registered: 11-2002 |
That is tiny so just look here http://www.discoweb.org/coreyshuman/IMGA0492.jpg that is the bigger version | ||||||
| Daniel Wanstrath (Danwanstrath) New Member Username: Danwanstrath Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
I've had seiko kinetics, which run great for the money, but nothing compares to the feel of a good watch. Its really nice when you have something a little different that what most people are wearing. I currently have a Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Croneo and several others which is by far the best for the money coming out of switzerland right now. They are now the second largest producer in Europe. Most timepieces use a generic ETA movement and the manufacturers simply design and stamp the case around the movement. In the Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece line, sought after old movement designs are purchased and produced by the company. A good watch, if stainless, is made of surgical stainless steel, which contains a large percentage of silver in the alloy. This allows for good wearing capability and the ability to polish our scratches and nicks. Before ever considering a watch you should check into who makes the movement, and the different metals used in the case. The reason swiss watches are what they are today is because of Fred Gruen of the Gruen watch company (Cincinnati, OH), a German american, setup watch production in switzerland. Originally american watches far surpassed the quality of the foreign competitors. Rolex was thought as a much lesser product. Cheap labor could be found in switzerland, which is why he produced there. His manufacturing facility is now used by Rolex. If you are interested in complicated automatic and manual movements with destinctive styling I would look into Maurice Lacroix as an option. Not to try to over promote the product, but I do own three manufacturing jewelery stores in Cincinnati that carry their line and truely believe in their product. If you would like more information on Maurice Lacroix or any other brand (as we do usually have others in stock) email me: dwanstrath@cinci.rr.com or visit www.heilemanco.com As a note, if you do buy watches or anything name brand offline, make sure warranties are still covered by the manufacturer. Call the manufacturer and ask if the online retailer is authorized and if they will honor warranties. This has been a big issue in the past. Many of these online companies work outside the US and often times sell used watches as new. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 127 Registered: 09-2002 |
Craig--not to start this all over again but do you have some point about piaa vs. procomp? Just wondering cause I felt kind of disappointed with the piaa after I put the procomps on. or maybe the $200 difference was for the light covers? Done again I would have gone all pro comp, thats what is on the front as well and they are awesome. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 51 Registered: 04-2003 |
huh? I never even heard of procomp... must be a jeep thing.. and what $200 difference.. Hella 4000's are only $115 each, and they are arguably the best aside from HID, so a $200 difference between procomp and PIAA which are the same price as the Hella, maybe $20 more, which are superior means your Procomps were free? or did you pay some high cost for the PIAA? Or were the Procomps $50 for two, in which case, how can they be worth having, you will be replacing them or the bulbs every 3 months.. Id rather have two good lights then 2 decent lights and 4 shitty ones.. I throw rocks at your coverless POS jeep lights. squishy squishy... | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 332 Registered: 02-2002 |
Pro-Comp lights are comparable to Huffy brand bicycles, where the Huffy looks and rides like a bicycle, but it's a piece of shit and won't last. The draw is that they are cheap and output light. Forget trying to keep them adjusted, and forget about long bulb life. There is simply nothing durable about the ProComp lights. My point: Pro Comp lights suck. You want evidence? 1) cheap 2) poor build quality 3) poor light beam pattern and only available in a shitty excuse for a spot beam pattern at that 4) poor durability 5) generic design with flimsy mounting/adjustment provisions That should just about cover it. And before you whine about my experience, I do have experience with the ProComp piece of shit lights. I have wired, installed and adjusted them. Adjusted them MANY times, because none of them hold adjustment as soon as you venture off-highway. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2002 |
Craig How do you REALLY feel about pro-comp lights? ;-) | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 333 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ron- I feel about Pro-Comp lights the same way I feel about all mass-marketed pieces of shit. I bet you could go to any 4WD supply house and fund the EXACT same lights either white-boxed or reboxed as a house brand. Typical of mass-marketed crap. If you believe that the Pro-Comp mass-market crap is as good as Hella lights, then I've got a bridge to sell you. | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 170 Registered: 07-2002 |
I too had some cheap Pro-Comps, price was too good to pass up, just replaced them with some Hella's, what a difference. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 128 Registered: 09-2002 |
The procomp 130s were like $60 each and the pc 90s were like $20 each. the piaas were $310 for the pair. Here is what I have seen. The 130s are floods, the 90s are pencil beams been on for almost a year, never had to readjust or replace any bulbs. The 90s have been submerged fully many times and not given me any issue. I have also bounce many a tree branch off of the lights up top and up front. I did replace the procomp bulbs with piaa halogen high output so maybe thats why Im pleased with em. I've had nothing but bad luck with Hellas, and speaking of cheap.. you can get a pair of hella 500s for like $40 per pair at Pep Boys, and hella light is really yellow. just my opinion as usual. | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 171 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hella 500's for $40 a pair where? Send me a link I will buy another pair to match the Hella 500's that I moved from my ARB to my roof rack and replaced with the pos pro-comps. Hella 500's are usually $65-$75 per pair. | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 218 Registered: 08-2002 |
Funny, I agree with Craig and Corey. Compared to Hellas Procomps ARE shit, But if you put a good bulb in them the 130's work fairly well. Its like comparing regular bannanas to plantains or bacon to pruchuto. Generic verses gormet. -Chris | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2002 |
Craig, I know they are shit, I had them on my Toyota and My Jeep. They are worth as much as anything else pro-comp makes. I just wanted to know how you REALLY felt about them ;-) | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 142 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan, I bought a pair of hella 500's on ebay. $34 shipped! Someone go ahead and tell me I got ripped off. Anyone? For $34 I have much more light than stock. Just wait till I spend another 70 or 80 bucks and put two more pairs on the roof rack. For about $100 worth off lights, I will light up the road. Call me a cheap bastard but those 500's are a great deal on some cheesy but functional lights. Nice to see you back Corey. Dan Ahh damnit.....I got drawn in again. I just remembered saying a couple of hundred posts up that i'm not going to look at or post on this tread anymore. | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 334 Registered: 02-2002 |
This is what is called a target-rich environment. 1) "the piaas were $310 for the pair." What model did you buy? You got taken for a ride. 2) "The 90s have been submerged fully many times and not given me any issue." Where? In your bathtub with your rubber ducky? 3) "I have also bounce many a tree branch off of the lights up top and up front." This must have been while blazing trails with Bill Davis. 4) "I did replace the procomp bulbs with piaa halogen high output so maybe thats why Im pleased with em." Man, you just don't get it. Bulbs are bulbs. it's the reflector and the lens that makes the lamp. You buy a cheap light and put a PIAA bulb in it, it's still a cheap light. If you polish a turd, it's still a turd. 5) "you can get a pair of hella 500s for like $40 per pair at Pep Boys, and hella light is really yellow. just my opinion as usual." Your opinion is as misinformed as your knowledge of engines and CV joints. Hella 500s are 55W bulbs and are not in the same bulb class as the PIAA bulbs you have in your POS Pro-Comps. | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 172 Registered: 07-2002 |
Daniel I think you got a great deal, I happen to like my Hella 500's and have been using them for years with no problems, you can't beat them for the price. Just got some Hella FF1000's and like them too. The old Camel Trophy Defenders used 2 pairs of the 500's on the roof rack, so they can't be all that bad, I'll probably get flamed for that comment. Just to clarify, I got rid of the pos pro-comps and replaced with Hella's much better. This thread is like the energizer bunny! | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 335 Registered: 02-2002 |
Perhaps what cracks me up is that he thought he could make his Pro-Comp shit perform like a PIAA just by putting bulbs in there. Man, you got it wrong... It's the other way around. You put poseur PIAA light bodies up top and put the cheapest possible bulbs in there. Nobody will know the difference.  | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 336 Registered: 02-2002 |
Daniel and Alan, I don't think anyone will flame you for using Hella 500s on your roof rack. Those lights do not pretend to be something they are not. They are a 55W lamp with a nice, uniform beam pattern. Now, if you try and pull a Corey and put some higher wattage bulb in there in some weak-ass attempt to squeeze some bragging rights about your 130W Hellas, then you're asking for a flaming. | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 173 Registered: 07-2002 |
Better yet, just get some Hella light covers and put them on the pro-comps, then they will definitely work much better :-) | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 172 Registered: 10-2002 |
With a little black and red paint they're HELLA HID'S... BTW-ProComps really do make great rock lamps... | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 470 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hell Corey, Just bolt some of those Pro-Comps to a RR3 and you are ready to go! Seriously though. I have two PC 90's and two PC 100's. I paid about $90 shipped for all 4 from 4Wheel Parts. I hate to admit this, but they work fine. I don't do too much night wheeling anyways so they perform as well as they should. However: would I defend them in public? Hell no. The case, lens quality, and reflector are subpar to either PIAA's or Hellas. Once even one of these bastards on my rig breaks they will be replaced my Hellas or the like. Unfortunately, that may not be soon enough. BTW - I run with no covers and they still don't crack. Damn | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 348 Registered: 05-2002 |
Well, On watches, I have worn a digital Timex Ironman for as far as I can remember. The damn things are indestructible. Cheers, Kennith "find the bare minimum, so long as it works, and use it allways" | ||||||
| Monte Blumenfeld (Monteman71) New Member Username: Monteman71 Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2002 |
So what about the PK RIPPER! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2003 |
Curtis, you got the ProComps on your D2? LOL. It takes only one scoop of shit to ruin an entire bucket of vanilla ice cream. | ||||||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2002 |
Monte, Always wanted an SE Quadangle. Settled for the CW Phase-1 with "Z" down tube. Still have it and an original Haro Master. The 80's will never die... | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 340 Registered: 02-2002 |
Shit Curtis, I wouldn't admit to even owning those! I'll fix your Hella woes. Just post your address. LOL | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 129 Registered: 09-2002 |
Craig, if you take a look at the pics I just posted from this weekend you can see that the front lights are completely submerged and they are on with no problems at all. as to the rest I didnt see any solid evidence of anything, just appears that the procomp being POS is your opinion. Im good with that, my opinion is that they are fine and Im pleased as punch with em. I think the PIAAs are all brand recognition, they dont work well enough to warrant the extra $$ IMHO and as to replacing bulbs well why not, the wattage is a bump up the light is great and if I burn a reflector its a cheap replacement any way. | ||||||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 205 Registered: 02-2003 |
I'm just gonna mount two of those 1.5 million CP Coleman spotlights to the top of my truck. LOL, those things are bright! We used to spotlight Deer and Fox with mine, you can see them plain as day at over 300 yards on the pencil beam. | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 341 Registered: 02-2002 |
Corey- First of all, I can't distinguish shit from the photo that you took with your piece of shit $30 webcam. All I can see is a bow wave, which does not constitute being submerged.  That is submerged. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to notice the difference. You've somehow managed to miss every other bit of logic and reason posted in this thread. The only explanation that makes sense is that you don't wheel. In this case, the Pro-Comps would suffice. The occasional fire road and stream crossing does not constitute wheeling. And about the bulbs you STILL don't get it. You'll never get it. You just keep on replacing those Pro-Comps and feel good about it. | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 174 Registered: 07-2002 |
Ho: Please kill this thread and put it out of its misery, it is taking too long to load even with broadband connection. | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 209 Registered: 01-2003 |
Not to be picky Craig, but I too live in Utah as does Corey and Curtis. Finding a stream crossing like that would be difficult in this state in my experience. The damn rivers out here are the sizes of streams back in my home state of PA. Most stream crossings here in UT look like those in Corey's pictures. Unless you want to cross the San Juan or Colorado, but you probably better get Ho's helo lift first. By the way I run Hella 3000's on the bull bar and IPF's on the roof rack. Cheap lights are like timex watches, sure they work, but an Omega is a lot nicer and has the built in bling factor. Almost like the reason we own rovers instead XJ. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 802 Registered: 09-2002 |
Alan, You don't have to read it. It's like asking cigarette makers to stop selling cigarettes because you can't stop smoking. Brian | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 175 Registered: 07-2002 |
Brian, I just can't help myself, this is turning into an addiction, please make it stop soon before I need therapy :-) Alan | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 803 Registered: 09-2002 |
I know Alan,,,it is my problem too. | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 223 Registered: 08-2002 |
"You just keep on replacing those Pro-Comps and feel good about it" Craig, Thats what I would do, but I havn't lost one yet -Chris | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 342 Registered: 02-2002 |
Andy, that's cool. I've never been to Utah to wheel. My contention still stands though. Corey, why don't you actually try and submerge the Pro-Comp POS lights and see how they fare versus the Hellas? And his assertion that pro comps hold their adjustment is pure bullshit. He claims that my problem with Pro-Comps is my opinion. Well sure it is. But unlike Corey seems to think, my opinion is based on working on a dozen or more sets of Pro-Comp lights, not based on the "bling" factor. Shit, you think I chose my lights because I looked at them in a catalog and thought they were bad ass? | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 212 Registered: 01-2003 |
My thought is the pro-comps probably will do the job for most people that buy them. If one is shopping based on cheapest price, I think the pro-comps would be a fine choice. True, you get what you pay for, but if they work for your application then what's wrong with that? If his lights work great for him and don't break, I doubt you'll get Corey to change his opinion about those lights. I wasn't impressed by anything in those lights, that's the reason I went with the IPF's and Hella's. But hey what ever floats your boat (or disco). | ||||||
| Wicks (Wicks) New Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2003 |
I couldn't resist. Post your favorite lines. There are so many great moments that it is truly hard to chose. Post to: VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE LINES FROM THE COREY vs. JOHN THREAD! ;) | ||||||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2003 |
"BTW - I run with no covers and they still don't crack." Curtis brings up a good point. Ever notice how things you actually want to replace, never seem to break or wear out??? After I got my BFG ATs for the d2, I realized I wanted the MTs. Well, those damn ATs seem to wear forever! | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 343 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL You think I give a shit about what Corey thinks? It's just fun breaking down his pathetic loser arguments. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2003 |
Just to keep it all together, in just over 1/2 thousand posts, we have learned that: -new disco sucks -IFS sucks -marines dont suck -brits dont suck -Range rovers are part submarine, and suck -Corey sucks -Omega's rule, everything else sucks -Ho has "pimpitude" -Hella's rule and Pro Comp sucks The things you learn on the web..... So, I think I understand all of the above "lessons" except for why IFS suck. Could someone list out the reasons why you would not want an independent suspension for an off road vehicle (besides wear and tear). I also dont understand how you compliment someone by calling them a pimp but I dont think I want to know the answer to that one! | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 146 Registered: 10-2002 |
Man, Corey sure gets flammed alot. He's not the only one with cheesy lights on his truck. Not only do I have hella 500's on my brush bar but they are the cheesy amber colored ones. To this day I wonder what the hell I was thinking when I got the yellow instead of the the clear lights. That said, these yellow fogs sure do light up the sides off the road so I can see those deer before they jump out in front of me. So I guess they do their job. But they're still cheap, and yellow! And those pictures of Corey crossing that stream, that looks like alot of fun. But I'm sure that if Craig drove up to that stream, he wouldnt even bother crossing it cause it's not nearly extreme enough and dosent flood the inside of the truck (that picture Craig posted, that rover is full of muddy water inside). Lighten up guys. Step away from the computer! Dan Flame away! | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 344 Registered: 02-2002 |
Daniel, you have no balls. | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 341 Registered: 04-2001 |
You guys with the hella 500s are way better than Pro comps. GUESS WHAT Hella 500s are made in mexico knock off mass marketed crap. ROTFLMAO Ron PS I have Hella 3000 FF driving lights and I did not even bother to wire them . . . all about the poseur value | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 173 Registered: 10-2002 |
Chris- I don't understand your "wear and tear" comment, but just think about the action of IFS or IRS versus live axles. Live axle: As your wheel lifts over an obstacle, it also lifts your axle upwards also thus keeping ground clearance constant and assisting in keeping your diffs away from trail hazards. IFS/IRS: As your wheel lifts over an obstacle your A-arms pivot upwards and your diff stays in the same location and your ground clearance suffers. You could try to rectify this with very long A-arms so they pivot from near centerline of vehicle but you're still limited (clearance-wise)by how high you're locating your pivot point. The higher the pivot point, the less room you have for engine, trans., and interior space. The real reason manufacturers are going IFS/IRS is due to buyer demand for excellent ON-ROAD driveability/manners and offroad driveability suffers. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Greg, Wear and Tear: I meant that I thought live axles had more durabilty. I could be wrong... Thanks for clearing it up for me. | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 174 Registered: 10-2002 |
Chris- In general, I would agree with that statement (but there's all kinds of live axle designs/quality, i.e., full-floating, semi-floating, etc.). Ron B. and some others may argue that IFS/IRS components could be over-built etc. to compensate. The prob as I see it is that by moving IFS/IRS with longer A-arms pivot points towards centerline and pushing up diff now requires those additional axle CV's to operate at more extreme angles and that naturally runs counter to durability. Any way you look at it it's a compromise that doesn't help trailability (is that a word?). | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ron B. "Hella 500s are made in mexico knock off mass marketed crap." So is the same to be said about the Fender guitars made over there? But before you go and answer this question I want you to tell me why they are made over there. I dont want to hear because the labor rates are lower. I want to hear WHY they are made over there. | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 345 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ron B- I'm not disagreeing with you, but allow me to play devil's advocate: How do you know that Hella 500s are "made in mexico knock off mass marketed crap?" Do you know who manufactures the Hella 500 in Mexico? | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 226 Registered: 08-2002 |
Ron, there is no other answere. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 130 Registered: 09-2002 |
heehee, Craig, nice pic, nice tow strap too!! Submerged to me is completely underwater, the bow wave is a result of me actually getting through the water instead of stopping and gettin stuck. Disagreeing with Andy on this one, we have mud holes out here to, we just dont drive into them. hahaha!! But if getting stuck makes your lights work better, more power to ya. and fyi you havent broken down any arguement at all, saying that something is bullshit isnt a contention, its just lack of good reasoning. Craig, Maybe you just dont know how to set and adjust lights? or if you do maybe you have just had bad luck with the pcs, and btw what is your problem, Im just stating my opinion and experience with lights and you are all bent out of shape about it. and Daniel interjects something and you insult him with no basis? Im with Daniel on this, relax, go have a beer, you need to get laid Craig!! Jeez, they are only lights. Did someone with Procomps steal your girlfriend or what?? --Oh and Andy, disagreements aside you should come out on some expeditions with us this summer, we are going out to the Newfoundland range on May 17-18th, explore some old caves and mining towns and there is also an old wagon from the pioneer days buried out there that we are going to excavate. It will be a great time, if you want to join us let me know!! | ||||||
| CJ SZPILA (Crash05) Member Username: Crash05 Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2002 |
Why can't we all just get along?? | ||||||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1323 Registered: 02-2002 |
What fun would that be? IFS/IRS - doesn't the new range rover have an air spring setup that force the front and rear axle to act like a solid axle setup. Thought that I read that some where. Maybe that will find it's way into the new Disco. Not that it would help with reliability at all but, would help keep the gear case from getting smashed. | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 214 Registered: 01-2003 |
Last night I realized when researching a place to go this weekend, that UT has some big river crossings. Worst is you can see Kyle winching himself out of one in the dweb moab video. The Kane Creek trail in Moab, during spring, the Dirt Devil River on sunset pass are both good disco submarine crossings. Since I have no winch I tend to avoid deep crossings. But Utah does have them. Maybe if I get stuck in one then I could convince my wife a winch and pull-pal would save us money instead of costing money... Corey - send me an email some time, I should be free that weekend. Curtis and I have been trying to get out for local day runs on weekends, your welcome to come along. Sometimes scheduling is rough and last minute, but it's fun. Maybe we can find a trail through the great salt lake. | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 228 Registered: 08-2002 |
Awe...See, thats nice. Making friends...isn't that one intent of BB's? Somehow we lost our way. -Chris | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 346 Registered: 02-2002 |
Corey- The difference between a bow wave and submerging your lights is pretty big, but then again, you obviously don't get the difference. The picture I posted isn't of me, but I wouldn't gather you have the intelligence to go and look at my gallery to take a look. I posted in Non-Tech about what kind of an idiot that guy was for taking his stock Disco2 into a mud pit that deep. Don't associate me with that kind of lunacy. I'm sorry I don't have quantitative, systematic proof as to why I think Pro-Comps are shit. My assertation that the adjustment on the Pro-Comp lights are crap is that there is one single nut that pulls the light down onto the concave mating surface and this nut is responsible for 1) securing the light to the mounting tab, and the fore-aft tilt as well as the rotation of the light. You are so full of shit. You have probably never even seen a set of Hella 4000 lights. I know this because if you had seen one Hella 4K, it should have been painfully obvious why the 4K is a superior light. The mounting mechanism alone is superior, lest we get into a discussion about lens and reflector quality. Daniel, everything you have said in this thread is utter and complete bullshit. You get all sensitive and whine like a little kid because I call you out on your lights. If it didn't matter so much to you, you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself so much. Why does it matter so much what I think? I apologize for having fun at your expense. I'm sorry for hurting your feelings. Now why don't you make like a good little boy and play with your Pro-Comps and rubber ducky in your bathtub. Oh, and, if you think I'm bashing Daniel, you obviously haven't managed to read the "DANIEL COVACIU HAS NO BALLS" thread. I'll save you the trouble: ../12/17943.html"#333333"> | Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 103 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Maybe if I get stuck in one then I could convince my wife a winch and pull-pal would save us money instead of costing money... " If you had the 03 Range Rover, you could avoid paying tolls at bridges by just driving through the river, provided it doesn't take you longer than 15 seconds of course. The cost savings alone of not crossing over the Verrazano but instead THROUGH the Hudson river would pay for you winch in less than a year. | ||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 232 Registered: 08-2002 |
Damn Craig, you bastard! Uhgh..that tub pic is going to give me nightmares. -Chris | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2002 |
Why would you show that thread Craig. Did you forget about that picture in there with you in it? For everyone that dosent remember that thread Craig is the fat dude standing up in the tub on the left. He's the one that looks like he's takin it in the ass from the guy behind him. Just scroll down about half way into the thread. Pretty freakin nasty stuff Craig. You sick bitch! I cant post that picture, to big (and to nasty to look at), someone else do it. If the guys in that tub are the kind of dudes that buy hella 4000's then I'll live happily with my yellow 500's. Yeah Craig I will go play in my tub with my rubber ducky. At least I'll be in my tub alone. When you take a bath you bring all your butt ass naked friends with you and a rifle to play with instead of a duck. I mean, what the hell Craig. You think I'm going to be insulted because I didnt get invited to your little butt buddy scrub down. Get a life Craig, and watch out, that guy standing behind you looks like he likes you. Dan | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 347 Registered: 02-2002 |
Daniel, you are cracking me up. You're almost as bad as Corey when it comes to pathetic loser arguments. You have no material to strike back with, so you resort to baseless name calling. The picture I have in my mind is of you in a fight, swinging your arms wildly with your eyes closed with only a hope of hitting something. This is the case here. You get all riled up because I posted a hyperlink to something you took personally. You have nothing to come back with, so you just shotgun a wide variety of insults in some vain attempt to insult me. You call me a fat dude, and a gay fat dude on top of that, then you interject some nonsense about my bathing habits. And a rifle? That is the most ridiculous part of your frenzied insults. Who is talking about any kind of rifles in this thread? Man, forget Corey, this is way more entertaining. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 473 Registered: 05-2002 |
"Curtis, you got the ProComps on your D2? LOL. It takes only one scoop of shit to ruin an entire bucket of vanilla ice cream." Probably the most sensible thing said yet. If I had known how crappy these lights were I would never have bought them. Sure - they work, but as Craig pointed out, the mounts are terrible. Every time I drive into a strong headwind, they lie down. When I get my new bumper in a month or so I will be sure to put some good lights on. Corey: if you want the Pro Comps, they are your for free. Curtis | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dan you run out of steam already? your down to insults? WTF man I thought you had more in you. Go find your balls fool | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 152 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm just messin around looking for a good laugh guys. I mean, isnt that what this thread is really about? Dont worry, it will take a whole lot more than a post on a thread to ruin my day. I would hope everyone else here is the same way. Look at the flamming Corey has taken, and he dosent seem too pissed off. That's the kind of spirit were looking for! Ron, last I checked, I had two normal sized balls right where they're supposed to be. Ah what the hell....DANIEL COVACIU HAS NO BALLS! Arent I supposed to get a free land rover hood decal or something for that? Art Vigil, where are you? I want my sticker damnit! If you dont know what i'm talking about just read that thread Craig posted (the one with the picture of him in the tub). Hehehe, this is great, I wonder if this thread has any chance of making it to 1000 posts. I'm doing my part to keep it going. Long live the spy shots thread! Dan | ||||||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 208 Registered: 03-2002 |
neked guys and guns....shit, i am going to a different thread! | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2450 Registered: 04-2002 |
Hell, I own 500s and I'll tell you they are mass marketed crap. "So is the same to be said about the Fender guitars made over there?" YES Carter -American Standard owner | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 348 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dan, you are pulling a Corey, but in a different, more flamboyant style. I'm going to quote John, because nobody puts it better: "You stupid fucks always come back for more." Corey got pissed off because John called bullshit on his assertation that the RR3 could be a trail rig, and when Corey ran out of ammo, he threw down the "I would love to arrange a meeting with you. bitch" card. You do the exact same thing here, but your about-face is just a wee bit more sophisticated than Corey's. You get upset about the link I posted where Art lit you up for hi-jacking Art's thread, then you accuse me of being some ass-clown and thinly veil this as humor. The line that is the dead giveaway here is this line: "You think I'm going to be insulted because I didnt get invited to your little butt buddy scrub down. Get a life Craig, and watch out, that guy standing behind you looks like he likes you." The best part comes after Ron calles you out, where you come back with post that is a 180 reversal of your previous post, claiming you were looking for a good laugh. Man, the laugh is on you. Do you think for a second that anyone believes that you were just looking for a good laugh when you say things like that? You're just too much of a chickenshit to even claim that you want to kick my ass. I think you should examine your own sexuality. You seem to be the one that is clearly uncomfortable with anyone's homosexuality, let alone your own. Why else would you feel the burning desire to say that I am "the one that looks like he's takin it in the ass?" With all of the flaming and name calling in this entire thread, you had to be the one to start calling me an ass-pirate. Sadly for you though, I'm comfortable enough with my heterosexuality to recognize a closet case when I see one. | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 349 Registered: 02-2002 |
Carter- So you're saying that I can go out and find a Fender American Standard guitar that has been relabeled as a different guitar? Cheap does not necessarily equate to mass-market. For example: Pacific Bicycle Co. manufactures bicycle frames. They manufacture two types of frames: One type that is manufactured as commissioned by XXX bicycle company. The second is entire line of bicycle frames that are merely painted to mass-merchant bicycle line spec, like Mongoose, Pacific, Motiv. These are not to be confused with "bike-shop" bikes, and are the bane of bike shop salesmen, because end-users are only interested in Shimano XXX derailleurs or Rock Shox XXX suspension. So, just because a piece of merchandise is manufactured in Mexico or is cheaply made does not necessarily mean that it's mass-marketed. If you or Ron have evidence that the Hella 500s and the Fender American Standard are mass-market items, then I will gracefully concede. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2452 Registered: 04-2002 |
What the hell are you talking about "So your saying that I can go out and find a Fender American Standard guitar that has been relabeled as a different guitar?" WTF is that supposed to mean, sorry buddy but the difference between a standard strat and an american standard strat is night and day just like the difference between the 500s and the higher end hellas. I own a standard and an american standard and have played numerous others of each variety as well, the american standard blows the others out of the water everytime same with the hellas. My evidence that they are mass marketed is their sub-par craftsmanship and performance (that goes for the guitars and the lights). | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 351 Registered: 02-2002 |
Carter- My point still stands. OK, so I got the model fucked up. I don't own or play a guitar. I didn't mean to imply that your American Standard was a piece of shit. Back to the point, however. What evidence do you have that the Fenders made in Mexico are mass-marketed? Can I find them re-labeled anywhere? Remember, just because it's shit doesn't mean it's mass-marketed. It's just name-brand shit. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2453 Registered: 04-2002 |
Okay, well I am admittedly do not have a degree in marketing (or any formal training period for that matter). I was not aware that for something to be mass marketed it has to have a re-badged counterpart. Where do you get that information from?? Like I said I don't know so if I am wrong correct me. What I have been considering to be 'mass marketing' during this little debate is making a product with a greater emphasis on the numbers produced than the quality produced. By this note, it is pretty clear that the mexican fenders are 'mass marketed', they sell more of them than the american ones and the quality while better than some alternatives from other brands is no where near that of the Fenders made in the US. They are clearly concerned more with the quantity produced at the mexican plant otherwise they would take greater steps to ensure that the quality of the product produced down there is on par with the American ones. I have much less experience with Hella lights and have no idea how the number of 500s sold compare to the others so I am not going to argue that one right now. Given that you see the little 500s for sale at every autoparts store in the world I would guess that they are their best seller but I really don't know, maybe someone else here does. If I am indeed wrong about what 'mass marketing' is then I will gladly concede as you are right in the fact that there is no re-badged mexican strats or hella 500s being sold as a different brands (that I am aware of anyway). Damn, I swore I wouldn't get sucked into this one | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2002 |
Carter, Take a standard outfitted with the same components as the American and you have the same guitar FOOL. EPA in California charges them a ton of money to paint them here as well as limit them to the amount they can produce. There is no EPA in Mexico and there is no limit. It blows the standard away for one reason... You paid more for it and therefore its better. "My evidence that they are mass marketed is their sub-par craftsmanship and performance" This is the best statement here....you shot yourself in the dick with this one. "They are clearly concerned more with the quantity produced at the Mexican plant otherwise they would take greater steps to ensure that the quality of the product produced down there is on par with the American ones." If California did not have EPA, there would be no Mexican facility. Besides that Carter, the American Standard IS a MASS PRODUCED item. If you think they have no grip or control in Mexico YOUR WRONG. There are people there from Fender's facility in CA. Monitoring the program....These same people are in a rotation for the CA Plant. Therefore if its shit in Mexico than its Shit In CA. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2456 Registered: 04-2002 |
sorry buddy, different necks, different necks | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2457 Registered: 04-2002 |
Your right by that definition an american standard is mass produced as well since they aren't custom made each time. But does that mean that the mexican ones aren't mass produced on a greater level??? I think the quality control in the Mexico plant is excellent and if I only had $300 to spend on a new guitar it would be another mexican strat, but I'm sorry they just do not compare to the american standards -no way, no how. The american standard necks get much greater attention and you can feel it as soon as you pick them up (yeah, I've done it blind in a music store before). The american standard really shines when you examine the fit of the neck to the body, I have yet to see a mexican without a small gap the american standards are always dead on. The electronics in the mexicans blow but those are much easier to replace than a neck. Sorry dude there is now way you are going to convince me the mexicans strats are the same quality as the american strats, I own both and have played many. Trust me I can be a cheap fuck and would love it if they were but they just aren't, sorry to break the bad news to you. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2458 Registered: 04-2002 |
"Take a standard outfitted with the same components as the American and you have the same guitar FOOL." Key component to the American is the neck, replace a mexican neck with an american one and you would have been better off just buying an american in the first place. | ||||||
| Rover Puppy (Rover_puppy) New Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2003 |
Following this thread has been entertaining, but leaves me bleary-eyed from reading it. I too have become addicted to this thread. However, the long life of this "conversation" gave me the courage to register and post to my first question to DISCOWEB today. Myself, I want a Breitling. I have had the Breitling Chronolog 03 catalog for months and know exactly which watch I want. I decided that a new bumper and winch for my D2 would be much more fun than wearing a nice watch. After 4 weeks, I have yet to determine which bumper replacement is the best, and darned if I did not break my favorite durable plastic swatch watch that I have worn for 15 years last week! Money is still going to go to disco. I wonder if I can get a good deal somewhere on purchasing bumper/winch AND a Breitling at the same time? John Lee? I have considered writing to ask him, but although I have owned my D2 for a year, I am a "newbie" at offroading and discoweb. As a humble beginner, I respectfully request that while you wait for this thread to load, stop off at my question and tell me best bumper. John Lee, I have enjoyed space photos. Whoever posted Disco/Helicopter/Sling Op - I vote that was the best! I tried to save it as my screen background, but it was too grainy when enlarged. RP | ||||||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 209 Registered: 03-2002 |
i recieved great advice from john at EE regarding an OME lift for my DII just a few weeks ago. i also will buy a tjm bumper from him as well. i would buy a winch too, but i am already good in that regard. i know there have been a few folks that have havoc with john and kyle, but after all is said, it is an eye for an eye. it seems to me that most all have brought that upon themselves. i readily admit i know shit about what i am doing. that is why i am here. that is why i sit and read. and that is why i appreciate john and his advice. i told him what i had, what i wanted to do, and he told me what he thought was best and why. give john a call, mr (?) puppy. mike | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 68 Registered: 11-2002 |
Carter You have the opinion...and that's fine. Fact American- Machined Parts Mexican- Cast American- Decent Pickups Mexican Same Pickups Different Covers Necks? I'm not talking about comfort. Materials are clearly different between the two. Finger boards are not the same in finish (NOT WORKMANSHIP) or material. We are talking the difference between Leather and Duragrain. Quality and workmanship are still the same but your argument only supports one thing, that's comfort. I'm cool with that, but I wont pull back on the "its shittier made" opinion. Until you can support that craftsmanship done by man not machine is better in the American than the Mexican, you have no right to comment on fact, only opinion. Fact Hellas have better build and Finish Procomps DON'T have build and finish worth talking about not even if they only cost $20 In this same argument I can offer my opinion in a blind test at an offroad store. The Hellas Felt more comfortable in my hand. ;-) | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2460 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ron you really are showing your ignorance here. Actually you really lost all credibility when you said this: "Take a standard outfitted with the same components as the American and you have the same guitar FOOL." Sorry, there is more to a good guitar neck than its feel. A good neck is more stable, holds its shape better, and holds the guitar in tune better than a cheap neck. The American Standard neck does all of this better than the Mexican Standard neck because while the Mexican neck is only equipped with a single truss rod and relies solely on the tension of the strings to provide the needed bend in the neck the truss rod system in the American Standard neck is designed to hold the shape of the neck from forces in both directions. Now what is this talk about the finger boards not being the same in finish and material???? Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about??? Is this difference in material you refer to rosewood vs. maple??? Because you can order both the American and Mexican strats in either rosewood OR maple, the choice is yours. And as for finish they are both sealed with the same polyurethane, unlike the bodies where the american gets a polyurethane finish and the mexican gets a polyester based finish. These guitars are fucking different there is no way around it, you cannot just replace the cast tuners with machined ones (and actually they are BOTH equipped with cast ones...) and have the same guitar, you just can't. The bodies of the Mexican Standards are made with 5 (sometimes more) pieces of alder and then must be veneered with maple because of the quality of alder that gets used. The Americans on the other hand are made with 3 pieces of alder (except for the sunburst and natural finishes which are ash) and NOT veneered. I will quote you again: "American- Decent Pickups Mexican Same Pickups Different Covers" WRONG dumb ass. Two different pickups made in two different countries. The American ones use individual Alnico magnets while the Mexican pickups use one big ceramic coated one. Actually the pickup covers probably ARE the same since they are nothing but little pieces of plastic and the dimensions are exactly the same. Man you are a bright one. "In this same argument I can offer my opinion in a blind test at an offroad store. The Hellas Felt more comfortable in my hand. ;-)" When did I say my blind test was based only one feel??????? Yeah, the guitars were plugged into an amp and guess what??? The American one sounded better as well. My argument does not simply support comfort, veneering the bodies is a cheap, possibly even 'shitty' way to make a guitar from sub-quality materials. The short cuts taken in the truss rod system of the Mexican strats exemplify this same thing, and in all my years of observing the set up and fit of these different guitars I have yet to come across a mexican strat that was done better than an american. Yes that last part is just opinion since I have not seen all of them but it is based on quite a few. How many observations is your's based on??? What guitars do you even own??? I think you are forgetting that I own one of each. My argument is not based simply on 'feel' as you put it but a guitar is meant to be PLAYED and one aspect of a good guitar is that is plays very well, to a certain extent this is a very subjective matter but patterns start to develope when particlar guitars 'feel' better to a greater number of people than others. Sorry but making a guitar that 'feels' good to the player is part of quality guitar worksmanship. Ron, I come across guys like you all the time and you no different than any of the rest. I bet you have some Mexican Strat, you have put some groovy pick-guard on it, sanded the 'Made in Mexico' off the headstalk, MAYBE replaced the machine heads, and you now go around telling everyone you see that it REALLY isn't any different from an American Standard they just sell it for less because of where it is made. Well sorry Ron but anyone who knows anything is going to tell you that is wrong. I bet you also have one of those Crate "Flextube" or whatever the hell they call that solid state tube-emulating bullshit they produce, guys with those things can spend all day saying they can produce the same tone as my Deville but at the end of the day anyone with an ear is going to listen and laugh. Hey speaking of the end of they day I believe your neighbor home from school now and setting up the paint can drum set, grab that Zoom effects pedal thing of yours and head on over (that write up in the Musician's Friend catalog is right, it REALLY does do everything just as well as a whole pedal board full of Boss). Oh before you go here's a song for you guys to practice on get this one down and you will be a guitar god, let me tell you: http://www.olga.pl/main/n/nirvana/smells_like_teen_spirit_album.tab | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 104 Registered: 02-2002 |
If it was made after 1966(pre CBS), it's all shit anyway. Besides, the Devil plays a Strat.  Neil 65 Strat (sunburst) 67 Silvertone(Sears RULES!) 68 Les Paul Standard(gold top) 77 Strat (red and peeling) 93 Les Paul Classic Plus(honey burst) 2 1964 Bassman heads 2 2x12 blackface cabs 68 Marshall JMP50 72 Marshall Super Lead 4x12 Marshall cab 8x10 Marshall cab | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2466 Registered: 04-2002 |
Nice collection Neil, though I would argue that the post CBS years haven't been all THAT bad (still nothing like the oldies though). I see you have an extra Bassman laying around, maybe you should send it over this direction . If I ever get another amp (doubtful as I'm not playing as much anymore though) thats what it would be. Sooooo.... While we are on guitars I just have to ask for the story behind the Silvertone I played one at a shop in New Orleans once and it was quite an interesting little fellow but just didn't have the change, how did you come about acquiring yours?? | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 272 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea...well as I recall the devil got his due from the Karate Kid in a felt hat...LOL great movie | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
O' my god. Now guitars. I'm feeling slightly guilty about my off road lights. I just have to confess to all the D-Webbers. I bought the stamped 6" lights from Wal-Mart for $15.00 each. I then put aircraft landing lights (1,000,000 cp) in them. I know everybody here is shocked. I'm going to make it worse. I like them. Whew!!!!! I feel so much better now that I have got that out in the open. Please forgive me Father Ho. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 133 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hey I think we can keep this up to 1000, especially with Craig, what a moron!! Craig, you have done nothing but talk smack with no basis. You trash on procomps mounts?? Its a one bolt system, how can you screw that up? I'll concede that if you are too dumb to use the brackets then they dont work, here is the key, when adjusting the light just get the nut snug, dont attach your pry bar to it and crank it down, this will cause the lights to lose alignment. Hella is a 3 bolt system...and IM HAPPY WITH MY PROCOMPS!!! oh and yeah, my "crappy pic from a pos webcam" HAHAHA!! this coming from the man who either has no digital camera to take pics of his truck, or he just doesnt have a Rover at all...do you even have lights on your vehicle, or are you mounting those hellas to the front of a geo Metro?? come on Craig, I'll treat ya like the bitch that ya are...Put out or get out.. hows that for ya!! ;) and now you start in on the guitars...HAHAHA!! you kick ass!!!! oh and Dan, I think Craig is hitting on you...hehehe and just to append some of my previous posts incase it was unclear, I think John Lee knows what he is talking about for the most part, I disagree with him on a few points and I think he is an ass, but as far as Rover knowledge he seems to be right on the mark-at least up to the 03 RR ;).... | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 105 Registered: 02-2002 |
F U ! CBS KILLED LEO'S GUITARS! Isn't this an arguement thread? Actually I agree. Aside from poor decisions like Kahler bridges and shitty paint changes in the 70's(most late 70's strats the paint is flaking off)there have been a few jems to come out of Fender since then. Even from Mexico. The trick to finding a good Mexican Strat is to play avery one in the store. Each one will have its own character(albeit mostly shitty) but you can come across a $200 strat that will feel and sound like a $250 dollar one. LOL! Throw in a red lace sensor pick up and you have successfully shined shit. Extra Bassman? I use them both with an a/b switch. They have been worked on by Ken Fischer so I'd love to call them Trainwrecks...but they are not. They don't sound like your typical Bassman. The Silvertone. I actually have two. One is a basket case and one of these days I'll get it setup. My first I purchased at Outlaw Guitars in GreenBrook(now its Hoboken Guitars in Hoboken) for $350 in 1990. Its the H62. I always wanted a Gretch but didn't have 6000 bucks to buy two(play one while the other is being glued back together). The second I found for $40 at a garage sale. The machine heads, Bigsby, and pickups are worth $300 ALONE!. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 106 Registered: 02-2002 |
"the Karate Kid in a felt hat...LOL" Wax on...wax off... I thought Steve Vai made him look like a fool. It's a great movie indeed. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2468 Registered: 04-2002 |
SCORE!!! I wish I had more time to hunt garage sales, my main guy down at the music shop estimates he has acquired at least 40K worth of gear for 6K in that manner of his many years of hunting around. Yeah, that is exactly how I got my mexi strat... Went around playing every freaking one in town for a few months, #52 was a taker LOL. The original plan was to put an active system in it but for now it is still being used with some old texas specials I had laying around. I did put the no-load tone pot in it and as with my American I put a push-pull pot on the volume knob to turn the bridge pick up on and off. Its not a bad guitar but even the shitiest American Standard will beat its pants off. | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 595 Registered: 02-2002 |
Holy shit! This thread is still alive?!  -Glenn $50 Squier! | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2179 Registered: 02-2002 |
One more, to put it at 600.... Contemporary Stratocaster, Maiden Japan.... "Up the Irons!" How many get THAT reference? -L | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Up the Irons!" LOL LOL Carter Again, your argument only supports the quality Fender puts in their guitars coming out of Mexico. Your the Dumbass buying the bullshit the guy behind the counter tells you (don't blame him, blame the guy that told him what to say). I am strictly talking craftsmanship/workmanship. If its a shittier guitar because of the materials that's one thing, but if its a shitier guitar because of build that's a different story. You need to read my post before trying to make your statement. There was a negative remark about product that was made in Mexico. I'm not a guitar player, but I do know where your coming from when it comes to feel and to sound because I had to listen to folk just like you for three years while working in a music store. You all are different that's why your musicians. Neil has made a more valid argument than you. Allot of it has to do with your perception of the product, because you know that if your the slightest bit uncomfortable with your instrument than forget it it just doesn't work. I'm also a believer in the musician over the product. I have watched Joe Walsh play a Chinese POS and feel comfortable with it. That guy can make a piece of yarn on a stick sound better than a Mexican Fender. You can call me a dumbass all you want I'm talking Build quality not parts. I'm saying... that because its made somewhere else does not mean its shit. Your argument is blinded by the details, your so into the details that you don't look at the bigger picture. Yeah I'm full of shit, but I have been to both facilities and I know how they market their product. So you can keep telling yourself whatever you want to hear. You can keep arguing that this is that and so an so, fuckity fuck fuck fuck. you still have not told me anything to confirm that Mexican Fenders have a poorer build quality than ones from California. Go play something instead of wasting your time here | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey "....the man who either has no digital camera to take pics of his truck, or he just doesnt have a Rover at all" http://www.expeditionexchange.com/craigkobayashi/ http://www.discoweb.org/craigkobayashi/index.htm Shut the fuck up | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2469 Registered: 04-2002 |
"I'm not a guitar player" Thats all I needed to hear, you have already made yourself look like a total fool to anyone who knows anything about guitars so do yourself a favor and shut up before you make it worse. As for build quality, the ability to make a solid neck joint has nothing to do with materials, it is all about craftsmanship. As for quality guitars and the whole mass production argument that sparked this... Well since when has there been some sort of handicap system set up for products made with shitty materials????? Sorry buddy but shitty materials are generally a pretty good indicator of mass production, I don't care how well they put shitty materials together its still going to be shit compared to something put together equally as well with decent materials. "you still have not told me anything to confirm that Mexican Fenders have a poorer build quality than ones from California" ONCE AGAIN FOR THE WHAT? THIRD OR FOURTH TIME GO LOOK AT WHERE THE FUCKING NECK JOINS THE FUCKING BODY AND COMPARE THE GAPS (OR LACK THEREOF) BETWEEN THE MEXICAN AND AMERICAN STRATOCASTERS. I also still stand by my assertion that poor materials will inherently lead to poor build quality. Ask Kyle to build you a quality bumper out of plywood and do you really think he will be able to do it??????? "Go play something instead of wasting your time here" Learn something about guitars before you talk about them | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1453 Registered: 02-2002 |
Funny, my Hella 500s have a single nut/bolt to attach the bracket to the vehicle and another single nut/bolt to mount the light to the mount. Three bolt system? I like the 500s. I can afford to beat them up and replace them. They are sure better than running the factory headlights and having them break when wading. John's OK, we often disagree, but his opinions are just that, his opinions. We're all entitled to them. If you don't like his, don't read them. | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 352 Registered: 02-2002 |
Corey- I love how you think you can incite my rage by accusing me of all those things. The fact remains that you continue to look like an asshole. I've substantiated everything I have posted about your shitty lights. What you can't get over is that you're stuck with those pieces of shit. So go ahead and continue to justify the use of those things. It's entertaining to the rest of us. And yes, I you're absolutely right. I don't own a digital camera or even a Rover. In fact, I think I should change my user name to "One_Bad_Metro." And perhaps the best part is the fact that you assert that I claim to know anything about guitars. I even wrote that I know nothing about guitars, but as you have yet again missed, I'm not talking about guitars. RonL and Carter are talking about guitars. I was talking about manufacturing and marketing. And yet again, you are unable to distinguish the difference. | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 353 Registered: 02-2002 |
Carter- I think Ron's got some expertise with the guitars solely based on his experience in music retail. When you see the products day-in and day-out and have to know the product in and out in order to sell the things, you learn a thing or two about them. It doesn't matter if you're talking about guitars or bicycles, the principle still applies. How many American Standards and regular Standards have you laid hands on? I bet that RonL has had his hands on more than you. As for mass production. Who's knocking mass-production here? I am knocking generic mass-market shit, but literally everything we have talked about in this thread (with the exception of some of the timepieces) are mass-produced. Hellas and PIAAs are mass-produced, but that does not mean that they are shit. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2470 Registered: 04-2002 |
Why don't you let Ron speak for himself????? Ron lost all 'expertise' when he said this: "Take a standard outfitted with the same components as the American and you have the same guitar FOOL." This was another good one (and probablly my favorite): "American- Decent Pickups Mexican Same Pickups Different Covers" I have worked at a music store as well and there were plenty of other employees there that wouldn't be able to tell the two apart is their lives depended on it. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2471 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ron doesn't play guitar so I highly doubt he has played more of these guitars than I have. You have to be able to play the instrument to FULLY appreciate the craftsmanship of an instrument that is meant to be played. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2002 |
Whatever Carter...whatever you just don't get it. Your statements ARE valid and I am not questioning them, but your argument holds the same quality as a pro comp light. And as a result you still have not answered my question. You are working really hard to discredit me on details that don't support the the actual argument. Incase you have forgotten AGAIN I am concerned with this statement "Hella 500s are made in mexico knock off mass marketed crap." I am not boasting to be a know it all on the details, that's why I am comfortable posting I am not a musician or guitar player, and you like most others on this board like to turn things around because you cant make a valid comment on what the topic is really about. The day you discover how that instrument is really made is the day you will understand where I am coming from. I don't need to have a Business Degree, to have a successful Business. I don't have to be a champion race car driver to build a great race car. I just need to know what works. I don't have to be an engineer to design a camshaft. I just need a calculator. I don't need to to be ASE certified to build a good race engine. I don't need to be a Gardner to mow my own lawn. I don't need to be a pool man to clean my own pool. I don't need a plumber to unplug a clogged toilet. I don't have to be a musician to play the guitar. Think SRV (the baddest mutha IMO, although I have a soft spot for Hendrix) I don't have to be a guitar player to appreciate the quality or fault in a mass produced guitar. Anybody who appreciates what it takes to actually make the product (any product) will tell you the same. "I also still stand by my assertion that poor materials will inherently lead to poor build quality." This is the closest you have come validating your argument, but its still not good enough. Your still arguing the standards for which the COMPANY goes by, you said nothing to validate having it made in Mexico means poorer build quality. After all WHO signed the contract with the facility out there? WHO created the standards by which that particular instrument is manufactured by. What tolerances did your beloved manufacturer consider acceptable? Until you can come back with a valid statement that having something made in Mexico is Shit, stop spewing nonsense. "Learn something about guitars before you talk about them" general statement, If I had a business that could offer you product you would tell me you HAD a big order from me, "you got mail" etc... Learn something about today's business, about manufacturing, about marketing maybe then you will get my point. "Ron doesn't play guitar so I highly doubt he has played more of these guitars than I have. You have to be able to play the instrument to FULLY appreciate the craftsmanship of an instrument that is meant to be played." This is the best statement yet. Carter for the last 7 years I have been in the Music Instrument Industry in some way or another. I have made a substantial amount of money buying and selling old hard to find instruments of any type. Predominantly Saxophones, trumpets and of course Guitars. "You have to be able to play the instrument to FULLY appreciate the craftsmanship " This IS NOT true. Carter you of all people said it yourself "...GO LOOK AT WHERE THE FUCKING NECK JOINS THE FUCKING BODY AND COMPARE THE GAPS (OR LACK THEREOF) BETWEEN THE MEXICAN AND AMERICAN STRATOCASTERS." "Ron doesn't play guitar so I highly doubt he has played more of these guitars than I have." I don't doubt that! But I bet I have sold more guitars than you have played. "there were plenty of other employees there that wouldn't be able to tell the two apart is their lives depended on it" You keep telling yourself that... | ||||||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 354 Registered: 02-2002 |
Carter- "I have worked at a music store as well and there were plenty of other employees there that wouldn't be able to tell the two apart is their lives depended on it." Thank you for qualifying your statement. That is the first time you have actually backed up your claims. | ||||||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2002 |
"what a loooooooong, strange trip it's been..." | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2002 |
All right enough about instruments lets talk Microwave Ovens ;-) | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2002 |
I come back to work to find the tread still alive. However, some discoweb members are not contributing as they should be. Ron, what the hell?!!! Your last post was 27 paragraphs. If you want to write that much than post 27 seperate times. If you would have we would be close to 650 posts right now. You dumb-ass! Craig, at least we can agree that my b.s. posts are sophisticated, or something, I guess. Chill out dude! Long live the spy shots thread, Dan | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 134 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hey Ron, ya damn brain surgeon, go look in the photo gallery, I see no craig, Im glad you have the hidden link, you shut the fuck up. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 135 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yknow I have also come to the realization that the word "fuck" validates any arguement, plus it makes you look tough. so fuck the fact that its 5 fucking extra keystrokes(space included) at fucking least, fuck, its not just for breakfast anymore!! :D | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Hey Ron, ya damn brain surgeon, go look in the photo gallery, I see no craig, Im glad you have the hidden link, you shut the fuck up." Do you need an education? go to the photo gallery, scroll down to disco 2 and look....wouldnt you know it? He is right there. I am glad you posted this though, it only proves one thing | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Ron, what the hell?!!! Your last post was 27 paragraphs. If you want to write that much than post 27 seperate times. If you would have we would be close to 650 posts right now. You dumb-ass!" I dont know what I was thinking...I was too busy looking for hidden links. Dumbass is fine, but at least I have BALLS | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 158 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah well, at least I'm getting a free land rover hood decal from Art Vigil. Are you out there Art? I want my sticker! Long live the spy shots thread. Dan | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Yeah well, at least I'm getting a free land rover hood decal from Art Vigil." ROFL | ||||||
| Rick D (Fatmcnasty) New Member Username: Fatmcnasty Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hey Dan... Are those raised land rover sickers still $35 at land rover portland? Ill be in the area and thought id pick one up. Hmmmm maby I can swing by your place and kick your ass. That is if your not busy this weekend? | ||||||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 478 Registered: 04-2002 |
Holy crap...I finally made it to the end. Do I win a prize? | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 160 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah Rick, I'm going to be busy this weekend. Wanna go wheeling? I'll let you admire my raised land rover SICKERS that I paid $35 for at land rover portland. Long live the spy shots thread. Dan | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2476 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ron, Ron, Ron, they key word there is FULLY noticing the fit of the neck joint in itself would in no way mean you have full appreciation for the craftsmanship of a guitar. Ron I really don't care how many guitars you have sold your previous statements leave me no doubt that your knowledge of them is minimal at best, "same pickups with different covers" Fucking-Laughing-Out-Fucking-Loud. I bet the 24 year old girl working the phone over at Musicians Friend has sold even more guitars than YOU have, does that mean she knows more about them???????? Sorry Ron, I'm still convinced that you don't know shit and I don't see the one other person on this board who has demonstrated any sort of true knowledge on the subject jumping to your rescue. Congratulations Ron you have earned a coveted place on my "Dweb Dumb-shits List" I won't tell you exactly where you are in the rankings but its up there . Anyway enough of this, you can keep trying to tell everyone that mexican strats are made with the same craftsmanship as american ones but I doubt many people here care and those that know already know. This whole thing started when you said "Take a standard outfitted with the same components as the American and you have the same guitar FOOL." I called bull shit, you soon realized I was right, but instead of just tucking your tail and leaving you felt you could push this 'craftsmanship vs. materials' bullshit and prove that you do infact know something. Hmmmmm sounds like someone else we know | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2002 |
Like I said Carter, you have no idea. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2477 Registered: 04-2002 |
Once again Ron: Fucking Laughing Out Fucking Loud | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2002 |
Carter you da man. no doubt about that | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2478 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thanks Ron now please go back to your hole now, I wouldn't give two shits about a Land Rover salesman who has never driven a Land Rover and I sure as fuck don't give two shits about a guitar salesman who doesn't play the guitar (or isn't even a musician). | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 161 Registered: 10-2002 |
Fight, Fight, Fight! Long live the spy shots thread, Dan | ||||||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 147 Registered: 02-2002 |
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