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     Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2003 |
So I have been looking into it and the Disco I am about to buy is a black 1997 LSE. I have read that they didn't even make black LSE's so I don't know what to think. Can someone clear this up? Also, what options were standard on the LSE model? | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 83 Registered: 02-2003 |
Stat by lifting the hood and seeing what paint code sticker is sitting there. Manufacturing date is shown on the drivers door sticker. MY can be determined from Vin number | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 222 Registered: 10-2002 |
I believe the only differances are the chrome plated bumpers with body colored bumper endcaps and special color leather interior (embroidered floormats also?) I've only seen the LSE's in gold and green but I am pretty sure they made a few limited versions in late '97 that were differant colors. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 223 Registered: 10-2002 |
I believe the only differances are the chrome plated bumpers with body colored bumper endcaps and special color leather interior (embroidered floormats also?) I've only seen the LSE's in gold and green but I am pretty sure they released a few limited '97 versions that were differant colors. If it is called a '97 it could have been made in '96 and not released until '97, just check the manufactured date on the door and run the VIN on carfax.com and it will tell you the model and year. I think the color code is under the hood in front of the radiator. If it's for sale at a dealer or carlot they should be able to print you the history of the vehicle on carfax at no cost to double check everything. May be able to check the history on the vehicle at any LR dealer too. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yeah I already ran the VIN through Carfax. Suprisingly, Carfax did not display the vehicle's model type but running it through a few other VIN decoders showed that it was a 97 LSE. So I did a few searches here and on LRX and several people mentioned that the LSE was never made in black so I was a little confused. One last thing was the seller mentioned that it has $1400 stock rims. Is this really the price? I assume they must be nice, anyone know what they are called? He included a picture of a stock vehicle in his ad and it does not appear to have chrome bumpers or anything but he says that the wheels in the picture are the same as on his vehicle. Here is the pic he included of the vehicle in the ad(not his)....can anyone tell me if this is an LSE or what? http://images.autotrader.com/images/2003/4/23/128/910/345185676.128910132.IM1.MA IN.565x421_A.556x421.jpg Thanks, Adam | ||
| joshua Frances (Joshua) Member Username: Joshua Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2002 |
LSE=light stone edition joshua | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 392 Registered: 12-2002 |
Adam- They WERE $1400.00 rims, maybe. Now they are 5 year old rims that were very expensive new, at least according to the seller. I would not put too much into the rims value when buying a 97'. Are you going to buy the LR without seeing it? Maybe there is a D-Webber near the truck that could check it out for you. S- | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
TPH, The value of the rims isn't being figured into the purchase price at all, it's just that it was mentioned in the ad that it had $1400 rims, I assumed they were aftermarket but he says they're stock so I was just curious about them. Like I said, we ran a carfax and it came up completely clean..now we have arranged for the vehicle to be taken to a local mechanic to have everything checked and if everyhting checks out after that we will go see the vehicle in person and buy it. The owner is in a small town so there weren't any LR dealers nearby..what did you mean by D-Webber? And also I have looked up a few pics of LSE models and noticed the chrome on the bumper, but the pic in the ad(which apparently isn't the actual vehicle) doesn't seem to have the chrome so I guess I just need to call again and get things straight. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 272 Registered: 11-2002 |
I believe he ment there might be a person on d-web near the truck that you could have go look at it for you. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2003 |
Oh ok, still very new to the forum, didn't really put that together. Well, I dunno if that's really necessary since it's going to a mechanic and it's a small town, but oh well..hopefully everything will work out, I'm pretty pumped about getting a nice Disco.. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 273 Registered: 11-2002 |
Good deal Adam, hope you get it and glad you are pumped!!! | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 394 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yes that's what I meant. Sounds like you have things lined up, good luck! S- | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 297 Registered: 04-2001 |
1997 LSE have never seen in black, 1998 LSE I have seen in black LSE Late Season Edition is what it stands for in 1997 and 1992 (when you could get an LSE Range Rover). Yes I know some people say it is Light STone edition but this is not correct according to rover literature. You can tell a 97 LSE from a 98 LSE because the 98 LSEs have boost alloys whereas the 97 LSEs have deep dish. That pic is a 97 SE not an LSE. The 7th and 8th VIN digits from the end (ie VA123456 or WA123456) will tell you a 97 or 98. WA = 98 VA = 97 Ron | ||
| Rick Cordova (Imx) New Member Username: Imx Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2002 |
What I've been told is the LSE was only in `98, however they may have released it late `97. The LSE are to be the 50 year aniversary discos. The colors came in a green with gold hues, willow, blue, green & white gold. I own a willow `98 LSE. The interior is a bit more plush (thicker leather seats), they add more wood (console), the door panels have leather inserts capped with wood. It comes with a six disc, heated seats and boost rims the bumpers are chrome and they come with stainless steal door pulls (outside), color keyed endcaps & front valance with fog lamps. The leather came in two colors, light stone & brahma. The LSE seems to be just a bit more lux. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 182 Registered: 02-2003 |
Funny I saw a LSE today in green that had rims that I can remember seeing on a 95 RR county SWB. I have seen this before.. I like the LSE i think they look good I say go for. I looked at one but the service history was about 7 pages long mostly warranty stuff it only had about 25,000 miles on it...... | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 300 Registered: 04-2001 |
"What I've been told is the LSE was only in `98, however they may have released it late `97. The LSE are to be the 50 year aniversary discos." This is wrong. You could get a 97 LSE (I have seen them). 50th annivery 98s are not the same as 98 LSEs. "Funny I saw a LSE today in green that had rims that I can remember seeing on a 95 RR county SWB" This is the 50th anniversey Disco with the "sport" alloys, "regular" 98 LSEs have "boost" alloys, LEs have "deep dish" Ron | ||
| Craig Nyirfa (Craig1669) New Member Username: Craig1669 Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2003 |
The LSE is not the 50th anniversary edition. The 50th anniversary is based on the 1998 LSE package and came only in metallic Woodcote Green. It had all the features of the LSE and included standard 7 person seating, bahama beige lightstone leather, leather handbrake gaiters, leather covered console cover and grab handles, wood kit including wood insert on trans shifter and high performance TWR wheels. There were 550 sent to North America with 50 going to Canada. They do not have LSE badging, but rather gold scripting on the rear side panels and below the rear licence plate holder reading "50th Anniversary Edition". They also have a brass dash plate placed on the wood strip above the glove box. I have #35 of 50 in Canada. All this information is in the May 1998 Land Rover "All Points Bulletin" Vol. 3 #3. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 278 Registered: 11-2002 |
So what about this black LSE? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2413074224&categor y=6294 | ||
| Craig Nyirfa (Craig1669) New Member Username: Craig1669 Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2003 |
That would be a 98 LSE but not the anniversary edition. It does not have the TWR wheels, running boards, the anniversary script on the rear panels and under the rear licence plate and it does not have the brass plaque on the wooden strip under the glove box. Looks pretty sharp though. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea i don't like the crome on the lse but that looks nice! | ||
| Craig Nyirfa (Craig1669) New Member Username: Craig1669 Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2003 |
Another differnce is the leather. My seats are the darker color of the piping in the picture and my piping is the lighter color of the seats. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
Ok, so is that 1998 black LSE on eBay exactly what a 1997 black LSE would look like? I actualy really like it, not so big on the chrome side trim though. I still don't understand why the seller of the D1 that I am wanting to buy would post a pic of a 97 SE and not the actual LSE?? It doesn't name the model type in the ad and I have yet to ask the guy, but is it really possible for several online VIN decoders to wrongly label it an LSE? I also don't get why the seller would say that the rims in the pic are the ones on the car if his is an LSE and the pic is an SE. Anyways, this is still a bit confusing, when I call tomorrow to tell him what mechanic to take it to I will try and clear all of this up. Thanks for all the info, guys, I appreciate it. Adam | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dammit dammit dammit! More confusion and bad news... My father just talked to the seller and he says that it says SE7 on the side but it has NO jumpseats, NO moonroofs, NO rear a/c....I mean WTF??? How is it an SE7 without any options?? How can it be an SE7 when it can't even seat 7 passengers???????? I thought dual, or at least one, moonroof and rear a/c was standard on the SE7? Is this wrong? Can someone tell me what IS standard on it? Damn, I was really hoping this would be the vehicle to get but it sounds like it is an SD model and I don't want that at all....argh... Adam | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 84 Registered: 04-2003 |
SD, SE7, LSE, LSD, STD, who cares? It's what is included in the actual vehicle that is important. Maybe it's been in an accident, repainted, and the wrong model # decal was put on it. Get this joker to send you an actual picture of the vehicle he is selling and you are buying. Or, better yet, go and look at it for yourself. Copy the VIN # off the dash, run the VIN, and there you go. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2003 |
Blue, thanks for input but you should read more before you post. | ||
| Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 69 Registered: 03-2002 |
SE7's came standard with jump seats, rear air etc. Most SE's had dual moon roof's and power/heated seats. If it's a 97 SE, it's worth about 12K right now. A SE7 would be worth about $1500 more. Disco's are dirt cheap right now b/c of gas prices. I'd be wary if it had the wrong decals on it. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2003 |
hey, you're the one who can't figure out what he's buying and is here lookin for help, hombre. lots of luck, gentlemen | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yeah, I'm looking for help, but it's best when users read the whole post before responding with advice on what to do when it was clearly posted that I have already done everything you mentioned. Like I said, thanks but I already did that and plan on looking at it on Saturday. You're right though, if it really does say SE7 on the side and it is not then that is a red flag, even if everything was clear on carfax and the mechanic ok's it. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2331 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well I read the whole post and still don't see where you say you have either gotten an actual picture of the truck or gone and seen it yourself. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2003 |
Carter, probably because I never said I got an actual picture and I have said twice that I plan on seeing the vehicle this Saturday...how is that so difficult to see? | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2333 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well Blue's advice was to get an actual picture or go see it in person and you bitched him out and said you allready had.... | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
No problemo Adam. You're obviously pretty excited about the prospect of getting a Disco, and that's cool. Keep in mind that it may indeed be an SE7 - maybe the guy took the rear jump seats out and sold them. People do it all the time. Maybe the seller has no idea what rear air is. The model desigations really don't determine the absolute value of the car; there are lots of different variations depending on what options the original buyer ordered. I have a 1996 SD with everything I wanted: leather seats, NO power seats, NO sunroofs, NO rear air, NO rear jump seats. The carfax-type search tools should be correct, but perhaps they've got the model designation wrong, too. Have a Land Rover dealer run the VIN for you and you'll know for sure. Hell, post the VIN here on dweb and some kind dealer may pick up on it and get back to you. If the title reports show that it's never been wrecked, then repaint & rebadge wouldn't make sense. The bottom line is, you'll have to see it for yourself and get the info off the driver's door, under the hood, and read the VIN # for yourself off of the driver's side dashboard (you have to read it through the windshield). | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2335 Registered: 04-2002 |
Car fax isn't ALWAYS going to be correct... Remember a few days ago there was somebody selling a 99 DI on ebay and had to list it as a DII with an explanation because when the VIN number was run it showed it as a DII. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 18 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yeah, I am excited. I miss my Jeep but am looking forward to driving a vehicle that isn't lifted 6" with 33" Swampers! It was fun, but I got kinda burned out on the whole Jeep thing, a LR seems like a good replacement since they're just as capable and can be made into comfortable street vehicles. I guess I just assumed that the different model types always had something in particular or lacked something in particular, but now I see that that isn't correct. I was pumped when it showed that the vehicle was an LSE, and now to hear that it is an SE7 w/o any options kinda confused me and bummed me out since I was looking forward to the sunroofs and extra options. The vehicle already has some custom work from what I've been told, such as a $4K custom stereo, seat covers, and deluxe burlwood dash kit so maybe when I see it on Sat. I will decide that these extra mods will outweigh the factory options that it lacks. But yeah, I do need to just see it for myself, we'll see what the mechanic says tomorrow. One last thing, I know that non-factory installed sunroofs tend to be leaky and possibly have other problems, but what is the typical price for an aftermarket sunroof plus installation? Thanks again, Adam | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2135 Registered: 02-2002 |
Adam, I don't know the cost, but I would expect a well-installed aftermarket sunroof to leak less than factory.... FWIW, the Disco sunroofs are small, both of the Discos I've had I specifically sought out non-sunroof models... L8R, -L | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 671 Registered: 09-2002 |
Adam, what does that mean? What is the whole Jeep thing? peter | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 91 Registered: 04-2003 |
oh shit, here comes Matusov rolling in in his big old jeep...  Adam, you don't want stock, factory-installed Land Rover sunroofs. If anything, get a NON-sunroofed Disco and add some aftermarket flip-up sunroofs from a good company that offers a warranty. The stock sunroofs leak, rattle, squeak, don't open, get stuck open, etc. P.S. Don't let this guy try to up his asking price because of his "$1400 rims". My stock Land Rover rims cost $350 each too, if I was dumb enough to buy them separately from the dealer. But I didn't need to buy them separately because...they came with the truck! I don't think he'd find a buyer if he sold his Discovery without wheels. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 672 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL Blue.. i never understood "the jeep thing." What the fuck is it? if a person says he got burned out on the jeep thing and buys a land rover, it tells me that now he wants his pictures taken with a land rover on the background and not the jeep. And I can only imagine how bummed must Adam be over some misplaced decals and vin numbers on his future purchase. peter | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2003 |
"the jeep thing" is a state of mind that compels one to constantly involve his jeep in any conversation, even when the conversation doesn't involve jeeps. example: PERSON A: "I love my new Hoovermatic Vax 2000 household vacuum." JEEP THING GUY: "It is indeed a lovely vacuum. It reminds me of my old Jeep Wagoneer, which also sucks, but I just love it. Have I told you about it lately?" PERSON A: "Please get the hell away from me." | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 673 Registered: 09-2002 |
hmmmmmm i didn't bring the jeep thing up here... despite my love to that old wagoneer that i can see from my window... all it sucks is gas! peter | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 95 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yes exactly true! Person A: I called you today,but I just got your answering machine. Jeep Thing: Yeah I went to the grocery store. Person A: Oh really? Jeep Thing: Yeah I took the Jeep! Person A: Isn't that your only car? Jeep Thing: Yes Person A: Don't ever talk to me again. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 675 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dan, don't even get into that. Jeep Thing: Yeah I took the Jeep! Person A: Isn't that your only car? Jeep Thing: No! Person A: What's your other car? Jeep Thing: Another Jeep! my fantasy runs out at this point. peter | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 95 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 19 Registered: 04-2003 |
Actually, I meant "the whole Jeep thing" as in I owned my Jeep for 4 years and loved it to death but I was just getting pretty sick of never getting to travel anywhere because it sucks driving a huge Jeep with Swampers long distance, plus everything inside had been shaken around so much from wheeling and such that it rattled and made noises like you wouldn't believe, and the ride quality, of course, was terrible...I couldn't have cared less for a long time but after years and years it does get kinda old taken girls out and having the entire ride just be "clunk, clang, rattle, clunk, clunk, boom"... Also, I was burned out in the sense that I knew absolutely everything that there is to know about my Jeep and every single thing possible to do to it so there really wasn't any excitement in it anymore after having it hooked up for so long. Peter, I don't exactly understand what you meant by me wanting to have a landr rover in my pictures, my Jeep was totaled and I have to find something similar to replace it, I'm just tired of Jeeps and thought a LR would be a good choice, it has nothing to do with trying to look cool or whatever. Plus, if I got another Jeep to replace it, it would just never be the same and I would always compare it to my late ZJ. And I got some bad news today from my parents, apparently my mom has been searching consumer reports and reviews online about 96 and 97 LR's and she was horrified at the terrible reviews she found. I told her that I could find just as many good reviews but she doesn't seem to want me to get a LR at all whatsoever anymore, same with my dad...they both want me to be happy and have a car I want and am proud of but I think they are serious about not wanting me to get one at all after reading some reviews. You see, when I got my Jeep we had a ton of problems with it and they just do not want it to happen again, esp. with a British-made car with a not-so-great reputation for reliability. Are they right for thinking this? Or are there plenty of good used Rovers out there? What should I try and say to them? Should I look for another vehicle or be adamant about wanting a LR? I would sure hate to eat crow after buying one if it starts to give us bad problems....*sigh* don't know what the hell to do, advice please....... Adam | ||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 99 Registered: 04-2003 |
From what you've said about your jeep, it sounds like you're competent enough to work on a truck. The Land Rover is a simple vehicle to work on. You'll be fine. Ask Mom to find you a vehicle that has had NO bad reviews.... | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 20 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yeah I am a decent mechanic blue, and its funny that you mentioned that about the reviews...my mom drives a chevy malibu with which she has not had a single problem and I emailed her several reviews saying that it is the worst vehicle and has been a money-pit since the day it was purchased. We'll see what she has to say about that. I really don't want to give up on getting a Disco so we'll see what happens.. any other advice on Disco reliability or what to say to my parents would be appreciated. Adam | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 676 Registered: 09-2002 |
Adam, i don't get the part about the parents getting you a car and this being a cause for you not getting a land rover. So you either buy it with your money, or take whatever they buy you and shut up about LSE vs SE7 vs whatever else they slap on it. I guess I know now what the jeep thing means. You build the shit out of a little [insert the make/model here] to the point of it being undriveable, run out of places to go, and want to buy an "unbuilt" 4x4 station wagon so it could take you to some "dream come true" places. Then you run out of money or places to go, or build the shit out of this truck, and get "burned out" on it again. peter | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 21 Registered: 04-2003 |
Peter, who in the hell do you think you are and what in the hell are you talking about?? You obviously have some issues in your personal life or you would surely not be picking fights on an internet forum with a 20 year old kid. I have absolutely no clue what you are referring to in your posts as they make no sense and have no merit. Please do not reply again as you have nothing of value to say and I recommend finding something that makes you happy so you don't continue to provoke senseless arguments on a chat forum. Adam | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2003 |
Just to reiterate, I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say with the whole "running out of places to go" or wanting to go to some "dream come true places" in an "unbuilt" 4x4...not following you at all on that one, I'm sure noone else is either. No need to explain yourself though, just please don't post again. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 679 Registered: 09-2002 |
Adam, now it sounds funny. I buy vehicles for my parents. Your parents buy vehicles for you. See any difference here? Your start off with picking on what rig are you buying sight unseen and instead of worrying whether the rear crankshaft seal leaks or transmission nearly blown from flat-towing, try to figure out absolutely irrelevant differences between some letter combinations. Then you proceed with "i got burned over that jeep thing." And then you worry about issues in my personal life? That's some fucking seriously split personality, dude. so keep the funny shit coming. peter | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks for not posting again..looks like you've topped yourself from the last post as far as not making sense, and thanks for turning my legitimate post into a pre-school style name-calling match. Why the hell is it funny that my parents are buying me a vehicle? The Jeep was my first vehicle, I owned it for 4 years, babied it, and made payments on it with money from a PT job while going to school. It was totaled by a 16yo that rear-ended me 3 weeks ago and I am at school without a car now and am using the little bit of insurance money to get a decent used vehicle. See, the way a lot of people buy cars is to search online first and find several good leads, call about them and get as much info as possible over the phone, arrange to have it checked out by a mechanic, and then if everything checks out, take the time to drive however far the vehicle is away to do a final check in person before purchasing. You have obviously read nothing in this post or you would understand what is going on here. I would never buy a vehicle sight unseen and the absolute main concern of mine is to get an all-clear from a mechanic concerning the mechanical condition before taking the time to see it in person since it is several hours away. I still do not understand why you keep on bringing up the fact that I said I was burned out with Jeeps, I owned mine for several years and, at the time of the recent accident, I was starting to get bored with my Jeep, hence the reason I said I am sorta burned out with Jeeps. Is this really so hard to understand? And trust me, I could care less about your personal life but it is obvious that you have some issues..so try and get that stuff cleared up and maybe you won't be so quick to pick a fight online with a kid that is just trying to get info on an important purchase. Need me to spell anything else out for you or is everything clear now? Like I said, please don't post again, you are just embarassing yourself and ruining my thread. Adam | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 680 Registered: 09-2002 |
Adam, I am enjoying your thread, and keep it on top of others for you. I can keep embarrassing myself all day long and not worry about it a single bit, however, much thanks for your care. I very much understand your concern about buying a vehicle that is not going to get you stranded. Been there (but not done that). There's a thousand questions you could ask about the vehicle you wanted to buy and did not; my guess would be that you read everything from the tech archives, and only the appearance package is left undecided. That, and your reference to the jeep thing fell together in one nice image. You keep referring to yourself as "a kid" - very petty. Things are really simple. If you like a vehicle, for rational or emotional reasons, you buy it if you can afford it, or you wait until you can afford it. It is going to be YOUR vehicle, and it is going to be up to YOU to keep it running. If you can afford it, and you are as mechanically inclined as it may follow from your posts, tell that to your parents, get your insurance payoff with whatever they agree on pitching in, and buy it. What does it have to do with LSE or not SE7? If you like it, all that matters is that it wasn't stolen and (to the lesser extent) it isn't a lemon. Blue pointed it out to you in his very first reply, just to be dismissed by you as not being receptive to your worries. good luck peter | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2003 |
It had to do with LSE or SE7 because I was under the impression that each model type came with specific options. It did not state in the sllers ad what options were included on the vehicle or what model type it was so I was attempting to figure this out by asking questions and searching online. I have since cleared this up in coming to find out that specific models do not necessarily have standard options. I cleared up the issue of whether it was an LSE, which I now know it is not. I was confused about what model it was after getting wrong info online and talked to the seller to find out it is an SE7..while thinking it was an SE7 and assuming that each SE7 came standard with certain options that the seller said it did not have, it caused me concern regarding the validity of his statements, that has now been cleared up so its not a problem. I am just excited about a new vehicle and am getting ahead of myself with certain questions but I hope that is understandable. I didn't dismiss Blue's first reply, I simply pointed out that I had already followed through with his suggestions, nothing personal was meant by my response to him. BTW, terribly sorry for referring to myself as a kid, most would still not consider a 20yo an adult, no matter how mature the person is. Anyways, enough of this bickering, I'll just have to see what happens. Hopefully, things will work out but all of a sudden my parents seem to be very against the idea of purchasing a vehicle that could possibly have reliability issues, seeing how we went through countless troubles with my Jeep even when it was in its stock form. Once again, if anyone has some advice on what I should say to my parents regarding the reliability of the Disco it would be appreciated. Even if it is concerning the un-reliability of the vehicle I would like to hear that as well. Adam | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2348 Registered: 04-2002 |
Rovers are fine, I have had very few problems with mine. The key is preventive maintenance, if you don't give them the tlc they need it will come back to bite you in the ass big time. Treat them right and they will do the same for you. IMHO the reliability issues come from the soccer mom crowd who barely know to go get the oil changed every so often. | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 823 Registered: 04-2002 |
Where is this Disco located Adam? Maybe one of us can check it out for you. Is it at a dealer or is it private party? | ||
| Jeffrey L. Price (Jlprice) New Member Username: Jlprice Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Adam, I have a '97 SE7. The SE7 is just a feature set as you had surmised. It is made up of leather upholstery, dual sunroofs, rear A/C, and the rear jump seats (maybe some other doodads, but those are the identifying bits). The previous owner might have removed the jumpseats but removing the rear A/C (and sunroofs) would be nearly impossible. So you should be able to tell what it is by looking. From description from folks that own LSE's they sound pretty top of the line and I would expect them to be similar to the SE7. In terms of how good a vehicle is the Disco. It is a fine machine and generally simple to work on. This is a V8 coupled to full time four wheel drive in a vehicle that weighs 4300+ pounds, so it is more sensitive about proper maintenance than the typical sedan. I bought my disco as a LandRover certified used car and it took a couple of trips to the dealer to correct some oil leaks, all covered under warranty. Since that time I haven't had the truck in the shop. I did have to replace the wiper motor last year, and I broke the rear screen washer sliding a treadmill down off the roof, but that was really my fault. good luck -jeff | ||
| Chris Brennan (Cdmbrennan) New Member Username: Cdmbrennan Post Number: 40 Registered: 01-2003 |
"BTW, terribly sorry for referring to myself as a kid, most would still not consider a 20yo an adult, no matter how mature the person is. Anyways, enough of this bickering, I'll just have to see what happens. Hopefully, things will work out but all of a sudden my parents seem to be very against the idea of purchasing a vehicle that could possibly have reliability issues, seeing how we went through countless troubles with my Jeep even when it was in its stock form." Adam, there is no doubt after reading this entire post that you are NOT the mature driver. You've flown off the handle defending your position numerous times - realize that this is an online forum of information and no one HAS to provide any information. A little more appreciation of the answers and a little less bravado would go far. The Disco is not an affordable car for the normal 20 year old. They have mechanical issues which are easily remedied but which can be a PIA if you are expecting none. Owning a Disco also leads to the desire to add and modify - I would think particularly if you are a previous Jeep owner with 6" lift and 33" Swampers. I just can't imagine you being happy with a stock LR after modding out the Jeep, and mods, as you know, take money. Discos also don't have the best gas mileage - avg. 12 mpg (on a mostly-downhill day) which will add to your costs. In essence, if your parents are paying for the car, they will NOT be pleased with the resulting bills for maintenance and such. The thing that gets me about your post, however, is that you DO come across with a "spoiled kid" attitude. Blue has posted over 80 posts - not that that means everything, but it should be noted that it's not his first day posting and he doesn't seem like he's trying to get in your face. Read his first post again- is there a LR LSD or STD? I think not- hence the humor. Stop bitching to your parents. If you've got a decent amount of savings and are hell-bent on a LR, then buy it yourself or offer to kick in a significant amount. But no number of email replies from D-webbers touting what a "good buy the Discovery is" will change your mom's mind. LR will be around in 10 years. Save some, get a decent road car now, and get one then. | ||
| Adam Gandy (Jp2rvr) New Member Username: Jp2rvr Post Number: 25 Registered: 04-2003 |
Chris, thanks for the input but you're not a good judge of character. I am more than mature for my age and I would think that anyone would get angry when someone screws up a serious post with *useless* derogatory remarks with nothing to back them with. How many times do I have to say thanks to show that I appreciate the responses? I really do appreciate them. Some are just so quick to judge and make tasteless remarks when they can hide behind a username, it is the same way on the Jeeps Unlimited forum. I was saying to blue to read more as in more of this thread, not LR info in general. And I never bitch at my parents, they are the best, we get along so well...I don't recall ever mentioning that I bitched at them so there is no need to draw these assumptions. The reason I want a LR is because if I got another Jeep I would almost have to mod it, and if I didn't then it would just never be the same as my late Jeep so that is why I don't want another. I would be perfectly happy with a basically stock disco, throw on some 2" pucks and 30's or 31's and be just fine. And I paid for more than half my Jeep so the money going to the LR would be a lot of mine in the form of an insurance payout. It's not like I have a full-time job and can just up and buy a car for myself, of course my parents have to help me if I want something decent. Argh...enough of these observational posts on my character, I really am a good guy, I get along with everyone and I'm sure most forum members here are good people...it's just that I just feel like I am on the defensive all of a sudden in my own thread. All i want is some advice and guidance from you seasoned LR owners. I do appreciate the help, though, thanks for all the replies. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 696 Registered: 09-2002 |
Adam, what may look serious to you, may not be worth a damn to some others. Again, judging character - if a 20 years old keeps referring to himself as a kid, this is way odd to me. "I really am a good guy"... damn... What does it have to mean? Why do you need to be a good guy? Is it you who decided that you're a good guy? Keep in mind that it was you who started with observational posts of (my) character. As far as guidance goes, didn't you get any yet? peter | ||
| Kevin Howell (Kevinhowell) Member Username: Kevinhowell Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2003 |
hahahaha. i knew if i took a week off to get married (again) i'd miss some funny shit. fwiw, i have a '96 se7 and you don't, nyah nyah nyah. seriously, mine has only given me the usual lr problems that i quickly remedied (heater core, stepper motor, blah blah blah). no problems since. easy to work on. i just got back from a trip to ruidoso, nm, with no problems. sure was tempting to take my baby off-road at ski apache, but my new bride wouldn't have understood. it's a land rover thing. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2162 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blue has posted over 80 posts Now THAT's a stitch...... -L | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 192 Registered: 02-2003 |
I am 20 and I have a Rover | ||
| Chris Brennan (Cdmbrennan) Member Username: Cdmbrennan Post Number: 42 Registered: 01-2003 |
Leslie, apparently when one hits 2200 posts, the posting "clock" resets back to zero. Like an odometer hitting 999,999. So...actually I think Blue has posted 2,280 times. Right? ;) 2100 posts - whew. Now THAT'S dedication to this board. Keep it up for the sake of the rest of us! Chris | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
what are you guys talking about? | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2372 Registered: 04-2002 |
man, I've to get mine set back... this is emabarasing | ||
| Rick D (Fatmcnasty) New Member Username: Fatmcnasty Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
I have a 95 SE7 Disco. Got it 2 weeks ago. I have always wanted a Land Rover in one form or another for 16+ years. But between school, College,Wife,Family,House,Decent paying job. I had to put my wants in the back. Now that things are settling down(still have wife,kids,house,second job as a gunsmith) I can afford the the vehicle that I always wanted(including maintenance,gas,add-ons). What I'm trying to say is. Sometimes you have to make compromises. So your parents say no to the Rover. Just wait a few years and get one on your own. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 639 Registered: 02-2002 |
Adam, there are many Discos for sale out there. usually a few on the classified section on D-Web. take your time a find a good one. check out www.lrx.com; www.bvlr.com; www.huntingridgemotors.com./ as a few points of reference. as much as most here like LRs, they can be expensive to maintain even wrenching yourself and buying parts from various places other than the dealer. and sometimes just a bitch to figure out as a RR friend/owner is unfortunately having to deal with now. so, take your time and weigh everything accordingly especially how would you pay for something major without possibly your parents help. it would suck having to ask for their help after they "warned" you about LRs. Jaime |
