| Author | Message | ||
     Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 86 Registered: 02-2003 |
Interested to know whether people have had problems running the Detroit with stock shafts. GBR suggests that an upgrade is a smart thing to do. | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 570 Registered: 02-2002 |
I have been doing some research on this too. From what I understand, it is possible to run the stock axle shafts, however, now that you have your new found traction, you run the risk of snapping your weak axle shafts due to stress. And when an axle shaft breaks, say goodbye to your Detroit as well. This is why I'm holding off till I can do both at the same time. -Glenn | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 738 Registered: 09-2002 |
You are fine with the lockers ans stock axles as long as you don't go wheeling. I have broken left rear 3 times.. finally upgraded to GBR ...ft left 2 times and ft right once. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2002 |
From experience, get the axles as soon as you get the locker. My brother and I installed his Detroit before he got the chance to order axles. The axle broke about 2K miles after installing the locker. He was climbing a ledge and most of the torque must have been on the one side and then clunk; axle gone. The nice thing about the Detroit is that when the axle goes it essentially turns into a spool so we were able to drive home. Don't make the mistake of not buying axles. Trying to be cheap will just cost you another $450 to get a new locker. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 152 Registered: 02-2003 |
Anyone know how much the Maxi-Drive axles are running? Are they cheaper than the GBR or not even worth messing with? | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2002 |
How do the stock axles do with a tru-track. Anyone with experience? Thanks, Dan | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2002 |
pretty much the same story with ARBs I assume? | ||
| John Friederich (Jfriedlvcmcom) New Member Username: Jfriedlvcmcom Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2003 |
I also have a question about TruTrac and stock axles (I recently put a TT in front of my D2). Maybe because it only transfers, what, 70% of torque, it won't be as hard on axles as a locker? Has anyone broken an axle with a TT? Thanks, John F | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Senior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 759 Registered: 02-2002 |
GBR axles = MaxiDrive GBR is US dist. Bill | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2002 |
NorthWestParts.com also sells the maxidrive axles. He may have them cheaper. I really do want to hear about the TT stock axle setup. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1370 Registered: 02-2002 |
I have heard both sides of this argument, but I've also seen the carnage. I believe that Perrone has stock 24-spline axles in his truck with stock axles and no breakage yet. Also, I believe I have read here that the ARBs aren't as bad and that when an axles does break it might not grenade the locker-the first few times you break an axle. Any truth to this? Peace, Paul | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 185 Registered: 02-2002 |
Paul, If you would have seen how easily my brother's axle broke, you would see only one side of the argument. We were not on rock, but somewhat loose dirt when the axle broke. The tires were spinning in the dirt while trying to climb the ledge. This was with 265/75 tires not 34" like Perrone. My guess is that Perrone's axles are living on borrowed time. Spend the $600 now instead of having to buy a new locker and axles when the axle goes. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2002 |
BGR supplies northwest parts. same price! call Bill @GBR, and cut out the middle man. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1371 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike: I too have seen grenaded axles, one wiped the splines off both ends of the halfshaft! I for one have only seen the NEED for lockers on very few obstacles and will hold off for a good long while before I go that route. Go ahead, flame me, my truck was built for a specific purpose which it does just fine at. Anything more is just ego-building (for me). That $600 would be better spent on a winch for my truck, or maybe a new toolbox for the shop, or maybe two payments on the shop,or the truck. Peace, Paul | ||
| Dave Brown (Daveb) New Member Username: Daveb Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
I have a TT in the rear and GBR axles, stock open front diff. I first installed the TT with the stock axles and ran it for a few months. I was told by many at the time that it would be a matter of time before a stock axles would snap. The reason being that the TT will still put a lot more stress on the axles and the stock axles are pretty thin... You'll see the difference when you get the GBR axels. The set up work great for me last week. I ran the Broken Arrow trail in Sedona, AZ. I shot up all the steep slick rock sections with no trouble at all. For the level of my off roading, I'm really pleased with the TT in the rear. Talk to the guys at GBR, they were very helpful for me. Dave '98 D1 | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 186 Registered: 02-2002 |
Paul, No flame from me. Why buy something that you don't need at this point? My opinion is that if you have a need for lockers, you need HD axles with a Detroit. The way I look at it, you're saving over $1000 by not getting a locker in the rear. (axles & locker itself). The break that my brother had was an extremely clean break just about at the inner seal on the axle. We really didn't realize that anything broke until he looked back and the tire was just sitting there. | ||
| Eric Brodis (Broder) New Member Username: Broder Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2002 |
ARB's Front and Rear 265's (Now 285's) Holy Cross (Colorado) Spring Creek (Colorado) Carnage Canyon (Colorado) Red Cone (Colorado) Pritchett Canyon (Moab) Lower Hellderado (Moab) Very Tough!!! Poison Spider Mesa (Moab) Hells Revenge including hells gate (Moab) & 6 years of 4wd lots of other trails in Colorado and Utah. Never broke axle or cv maybe I'm just lucky. | ||
| Larry Grubbs (Larryg) Member Username: Larryg Post Number: 217 Registered: 03-2002 |
Eric, Are you in any of the local Land Rover clubs here in Colorado? Larry | ||
| Eric Brodis (Broder) New Member Username: Broder Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2002 |
No, I 4wd mostly with friends(Jeeps and Toyota's) | ||
| Wayne Smith (Wayne) New Member Username: Wayne Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2003 |
Have you considered ARB lockers with Maxi-Drive axles? Best of both worlds, locker comes in and out quickly and axles will take the punishment. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1509 Registered: 02-2002 |
John asked about a D2 and no one replied. I am curious as well because I am thinking about TT's for front and rear. But, are the D2 axles like the D1; meaning can you pull them apart easily. Or is the D2 completely different in this respect. Also, let's say I install the TT's F/R; what about the shafts. Do I need to replace those as well? Seems to me that you have to have a sacrificial lamb somewhere? If you keep installing stronger drivetrain components, what's the next worry? Tfercase? Gearbox? Seeking the truth from those who know, Paul '00 Pig | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2003 |
I'm running TT's front and rear w/ gbr hd rear axles. No problems, I've had them in for over a year and been cross country twice. I also have 4.11 gears installed also, which helps with the 285's. D2 axles aren't like D1's you have to press the hub onto the axle, it's a bitch. I have my stock axle's and hubs as spares, it not something to can even think about fixing on the trail... | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 834 Registered: 08-2002 |
I've had TT up front and Detroit in the rear for over a year now, both with stock shafts. I tend to be easy on my rig, but I know I'm living on borrowed time. Just trying to do the gears and axles at the same time. Because the TT's are not a true locker (more of a very efficient limited slip), I don't think the concern is there like it is with the Detroit. Yes, the hubs have to be pressed onto the axle. The only way you could replace a DII axle in the field is if you have replacement shafts with the hubs already in place. That's why I have a complete front and rear axle assy in the garage.  | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2003 |
hey greg, what else did you score from the that wreck?.... frank | ||
| Keith Kreutzer (Revor) Member Username: Revor Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2002 |
I run a Detroit in the rear with ugraded axles mainly because I know that the stock ones will break.... Just look at them they're tiny... I figure the fronts will do the same thing with the TT up front so I'm in process of putting together a 23 spline 110 cv set for the front.. I'll have a front set in a rather extreme D90 soon for some thrashing we'll see how they hold up | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 244 Registered: 10-2002 |
Come on! TTs front and rear...what a joke. A damn jeep with limited slips is better. At least get a Detroit locker in the rear and an ARB in the Front. Why go half ass? Why do it right once when you can do it wrong three times??? | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 323 Registered: 02-2002 |
Paul- Talk to Chu Y Son. He had that setup on his D2 and liked it very much. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey James, I've pulled many a jeep out the shit that I drove right thru...ever take your rig off road? don't know, don't give a shit, but it's not a "joke" of a set-up. Actually works really well. Been thru Moab, Colorado and everyplace imaginable on the east coast, never a problem...just hate the attitude... | ||
| Shaun Power (Shaunp) New Member Username: Shaunp Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2003 |
Why don't you buy some direct from Maxi drive here in Queensland I'm sure they'd send you some. They also make other good stuff including air lockers,ptos and even rear wheel steering. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 178 Registered: 02-2003 |
Frank, The TT's are for sure better than the stock diff's, but to say "never a problem" with the TT's. For sure you are not doing anything hard. I bet the TT's work real well in mud, sand and snow but to get through "every place imaginable on the East coast" is pushing it a little but. I have seen the TT's work, and I have also seen the full Detriot and James's ARB and they surpass the limited slip. If you do as much wheeling as you say you do you should know this. Maybe you should stick to the Fire Roads. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2002 |
Shaun, do tell us more about the maxi drive locker. Is it a drop in unit for a rover axle? | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 841 Registered: 08-2002 |
Frank, I kept the f&r axles(complete) and radius arms. I lengthened the arms 1" and put them on my truck. Makes room for the 34"s without trimming the rear doors or the trailing edge of the front fenders. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2003 |
Another expert...great...fire roads, i doubt it. it's not a rock crawler so i don't need to fully lock it. And yes, I have driven to, on, over and thru a lot of the east coast... As for ARB's, had them in my jeep before I brought my Disco, to many things to go wrong. As for the Detroit, I've seen them destroy axle's when they lock, personal preference I guess... Greg, good deal...drop me a line off group about the new "gears"... | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 708 Registered: 09-2002 |
Frank, I'm a big fan of limited slips in combination of all means to keep all wheels on the ground; however, i've already chalked out two places for myself where i would not go without at least one locker. LSDs are a good tradeoff, especially for someone with a family to feed. peter | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 61 Registered: 01-2003 |
Anyone else notice how James and D. Chapman always team up on people? Kinda reminds me of my little cousin and his friends. They're 10, by the way. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2003 |
No Adam, your just pissed off that we have better set up than you. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peter not a trade off, like i said, it's not a rock crawler...really depends how u drive,or what yuor drivin'... frank | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) Member Username: Norm Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2003 |
I'm interested in getting an ARB air locker -- would I need heavy duty axels for this? Also, would I need two air lockers or would one on the rear suffice? Thanks, Norm | ||
| Shaun Power (Shaunp) New Member Username: Shaunp Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2003 |
Guys as you are probably aware both ARB and Maxi-drive are made here in Australia. The Maxi-drive lockers are stronger then the ARB units. They are Vaccum operated rather then air and are driven off engine vac via a tank and non return valve in case the engine stalls. Maxi-drive units come complete with the matching heavy duty axles as part of the deal. They use modified hemispheres with 6 planetary gears on 19mm shafts which are bigger then standard. Have a look at this web site. http://www.4wdworld.com.au/products/maxidrive/ | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 183 Registered: 02-2003 |
Norm, Your stock axles will work, but its not a good thing to do. Get the HD axles from someone like GBR. I Still have the stock axles in my truck, but its just a matter of time till they break. When they do break you risk a chance of tearing up even more stuff like your locker. Two ARB's are better than one, but one will be an awesome upgrade and you will not belive where your rover is going. You could save about 300+ dollors by using a Detriot in the rear and an ARB up front. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 847 Registered: 08-2002 |
To be honest, I think you guys are splitting hairs when comparing the ability of a good LSD (True Trac) to something like a Detroit or an ARB. A good friend of mine that wheels with me regularly has a D-90 with twin ARB's. Again, I have a Detroit and TT combo. More often than not it comes down to tire selection vs. locker selection. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 709 Registered: 09-2002 |
Frank, i still think it's a tradeoff. I have three trucks with rear LSDs now, one of them had an automatic locker for 9 months or so. It worked awesome off road, and was just butt ugly on pavement. However, in these few months when i had a locker, i broke an axle and blew a hole in the side of transfer case. Something that just wasn't happening before (and after). I swapped it out for the stock open diff, and then for a tight LSD. So far so good. Now that I don't drive this one on the street as much, I wish I kept the locker peter | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
greg, splitting hairs, yes, but that make's it fun... peter, your right, just depends on the application. i had to adjust driving style dependent of what was in the truck... cheers, frank | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2002 |
Frank, TT's front and rear are better than open diffs for sure. But you just can't compare a locked axle to one with a TT. I think that everyone will agree that a TT front and rear will not get you more places than a ARB front and rear. If you are happy with your set-up and the trails/roads that you run, then fine. Oh yeah, I used to live in CO, 3 hours from MOAB so I DO know why I will NEVER have dual TT's. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 713 Registered: 09-2002 |
" a TT front and rear will not get you more places than a ARB front and rear" some statement.... at least, i haven't heard of a truetrac to break. | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2003 |
Congrats D, you do have a better setup than I do. But stating that proves nothing, seeing as how my complaint was about you acting like a little kid instead of exemplifying a little maturity. Grow up man. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2003 |
"at least, i haven't heard of a truetrac to break" So what you are saying is a TT is better because you have never seen one break? A TT is an upgrade from stock diffs. A TT will make your truck do a little better off-road vs. stock. But a TT will NOT carry you "thru everyplace imaginable on the east coast, never a problem..." TT's may do good for people in sand, I don't know, there's not much sand on the East coast other than on the beach. They do help in snow around the city. But they are not going to get you thru trails at Paragon, Telleco, Windrock, Kinzlowe's Trails, Big Dogs Off-Road Park, and a number of places in the GWNF. Im not saying that having true locking diff's alone will get you there, but you could have all the lift you wanted and 44"+ tires and not make it with TT's. A TT is a trade off like it was said earlier. Breaking parts is all a part of wheeling. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 714 Registered: 09-2002 |
D, what I am saying is that TT is a four-pin diff, built by far better than stock open. Being a limited slip, it does not put repetitive cyclic stress on the axleshafts, neither it will allow for all the torque to be carried through by a single axleshaft. The combination of TTs and stock or upgraded axles is by far more reliable than any locker setup. And yes, not only I have not seen a broken TT, I haven't even heard of that happening. Maybe I wasn't listening. Sand... who cares about sand? I've seen PK's 2xTT'ed Disco fare rather well in Moab, and he's got his share of snow driving. I wish he chimed in here. Breaking parts... well, personally, I don't think it is a part of wheeling, but it depends on what do you want from your truck. If it is to climb a biggest and baddest pile of rocks, or drive through a deepest and gooiest mudhole in the state, sure, be prepared for parts flying around. If you're through with this attitude, you may consider the alternatives. I'd rather keep my shit together until I roll back home. peter | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2003 |
James...I will be running Moab (sept) with the TT's, but it's NOT a rock crawler... D. I've ran most of the places you listed, mostly with a locked Jeep. But the places I've gone back to with the D2, I haven't had a problem with running the trails with the TT's...I totally disagree with your statement that breakin shit is part of wheelin...it all depends what your into, or how stupid you are to break shit. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 187 Registered: 02-2003 |
"or how stupid you are to break shit" Tires will get cut, brake lines will rip and axles will break, its all a part of wheeling. "it all depends what your into" Sure if you are into fire roads things may not break. Im not saying that 100% of the time when you go wheeling something is going to give, but the chances are far better breaking something off-road than on road. At the event last week in NC, I did not attend, but I did not hear anyone talking of "Extream" trails, but there were broken parts. So "how stupid" were they? | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2002 |
I know a guy with 44" tires on open diffed dana60's the truck goes anywhere you point it because it has outragous flex and power to launch it when needed. he also is a great driver and has sworn by big tires and flex for the 25 years I have known him. he will never own lockers because he says they allow you to "drive stupid" . he rarely breaks anything and would never be caught dead web wheeling because he says "there arent any trails on the world wide web" all in all its just what your into if you ask me I love my thick unbreakable axles and my ARB's | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2003 |
D. I guess my point is that sometimes people "think" by modifing a rig that it overcomes driving ability...I've seen way too many dumb ass moves, next thing you know, it either stuck or broke. more often it broke...you guys gonna be at any events this summer? could be "fun" to see the difference...by the way, get off the fire road shit... Thom, i agree...sometimes i get caught up in the bullshit... frank | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 190 Registered: 02-2003 |
"he will never own lockers because he says they allow you to "drive stupid" ." Skip has a big block, 44" tires, 2.5 ton axles, and plenty of flex, but to say that he is going to get over this trail with out lockers is to funny. Your friend must have a jet engine and wings to go anywere. http://www.bigdogsoffroad.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album08&id=wskipon8&op=m odload&name=My_eGallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php I'm not saying that 44's and flex do not help, I would love to have that, but lockers are needed alot of the time when you get into the "good" stuff. Wish my truck would do that trail. "you guys gonna be at any events this summer? could be "fun" to see the difference" I would love to get together sometime just to see the difference. You may prove me wrong. I will be at Paragon this month, the Big Dogs Event in June, Childrens Chairty Event (Beckley WV)in July, and at MAR when ever that is in Oct. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2003 |
Knowin' my luck, we'll hook-up and I'll grenade both diffs...When u goin' to Paragon? I'm 2 1/2 hours away...I really haven't looked past next month for events, works crazy and i'm going out west for 3 weeks in September...going to try and make MAR this year... cheers Frank | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 722 Registered: 09-2002 |
damn it, living on the East Coast is tough. wheeling four times in 2/3 of a year... and breaking shit as part of it... LOL | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 197 Registered: 02-2003 |
Seeing that my back yard is 15 million acres, wheeling is a daily event. Events are a little more rare. My property ajoines the GWNF. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey, one of the reasons I got lockers is so I can go slowly over obsticles and use the traction I gained to move forward more than momentum. I think that when you are 100% locked it allows you to proceed at a much safer rate which prevents much of the damage caused by using the gas to get over crap. Try the Poison Spider Mesa/Golden Spike/Gold Bar Rim trail with open diffs and then locked. A 6 hour trail combo like that will tell you what you need in a hurry. I used articulation here without lockers to get by  | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2003 |
D, Why couldn't your big dog Skip get over that trail without lockers? Those are some nice rock buggies, but they are a whole different ballpark when compared to a discussion about stock Rover diff vs. a drop-in lim slip or full locker. Those are one-off buggies, not production trucks. What kind of big, bad, big-dog trails do you run in your Discovery that would make open diffs or lim slips a joke? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 198 Registered: 02-2003 |
Blue, I was refering to this post: "the truck goes anywhere you point it because it has outragous flex and power to launch it when needed. he also is a great driver and has sworn by big tires and flex for the 25 years I have known him. he will never own lockers because he says they allow you to "drive stupid" ." | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
Those obstacles are huge (in that pic you linked), but so is the rig. I'd think that all that flex, power, and rubber on the ground would let him roll over whatever he wants, locked or unlocked. Hell, sometimes I unlock just to keep things interesting (and tempt the axle-breaking devil). | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 199 Registered: 02-2003 |
I never said thet TT's were a joke, I said they were better than stock. But you can't tell me that a limited slip diff is better than a locker. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 200 Registered: 02-2003 |
"Those obstacles are huge (in that pic you linked)," That is trail 9, you should trail 11! | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 725 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, you can clearly see that the purpose is different:
Mr.Chapman is just trying to join the party peter | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
ahhhh...demolition derbies... watching some of the morons out there wheel is indeed like watching a demolition derby D, for the trail 11, you just get a bigger buggy. It's all about scale. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 201 Registered: 02-2003 |
Or this:  This jeep, or whats left of it, does better than Skips buggy. I guess it a wheel base thing. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2003 |
Blue...how true... Cheers Frank | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2003 |
Damn, that's a wicked looking beast. Can't beat 4' of rubber at each corner | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 203 Registered: 02-2003 |
Take it home with you today for $9000.00! | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2003 |
$9k?  | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 207 Registered: 02-2003 |
Thats what I said! But, really if you think about it, it's not really a bad deal. It has dana 60's, front and rear lockers, it's geared something like 5:29 plus it has dual transfers, some sort of school bus transmission, 44" tires and bead locks, on board welder, on board air, hi-steer hydro steering, it's only a 6-cyl, but the thing will go. I would just rather build my own truck rather than buy someone elses. I have built two trucks and there is alot of time that goes into one. My Disco would never run with my other two trucks, but I could not drive them on the road (not very well). You could not drive the H1 over 100 miles with out it over heating, so the disco fits me good now. I am getting ready to start building another truck just as soon as I get set up in my new house, but I bet I will have over 9K in it. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 18 Registered: 04-2003 |
yes, the subtle difference between "I have $9k into it" and "it's worth $9k" always bites you on the ass. Better to just build it up and enjoy it without hope of recovering your investment. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 800 Registered: 09-2002 |
There is a point where you will exceed the limits of a mostly stock vehicle. That trail probably could not be run unless you seriously modify your rig. And damage is likely. Tire size is a big factor and so are lockers. More of a factor than articulation. Tire size will overcome just about any obsticle but it is what you have to do to run those tires that creates the problem. I have never broken an axle with open diff, I have broken lots of axles locked up. I broke both stock diffs before I went to ARB. The thing to remember is that there will always be a weak link. If you engineer the diff not to break then you have to worry about axles. Get those unbreakable and something else will have to break. It is all a matter of physics. The neat thing about this hobby is that you can choose the type of wheeling that you want to do. i like to push the limit of the vehicle and my ability but I have also paid the price. The way I wheel I know I will break stuff and it is just part of if for me. Although, I do like it when I get through a hard trail without spending anything but gas. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 801 Registered: 09-2002 |
http://www.discoweb.org/independencetrail/index.htm This trail is probably close to the limits of a Discovery, at leaste the way I had it set up. If I wanted to do more trails like this I would need to drasticly change my setup and maybe my vehicle. Rock Buggies and trailor rigs do well here but not many vehicles drive to this trail, run it and still drive home again under there own power. Wich leads to another advantage of selectable lockers. With a d1 or a d2 and cdl you could actually break 3 of your axles and still be road driveable. I don't think you could do that with a TT. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 19 Registered: 04-2003 |
from the looks of all the carnage and your trail report, it looks like that trail is beyond the limits of a Discovery. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 804 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, it probably is for a reasonable person but I want to do it again this year. It will have to be the last one for the year though cause it put me out of commision for a long time this year. In fact, I am still getting it ready for the season. I have only done one trip with it since that trail and it was really a fire road trip so it doesn't count really. Brian | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 372 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Blue, it probably is for a reasonable person but I want to do it again this year."  "In fact, I am still getting it ready for the season."  | ||
| Keith Kreutzer (Revor) Member Username: Revor Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hee Hee Heee Boy is this going to be fun to watch Considering i'm just as guily as Dave I guess I'll have to go down and break something too... | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 812 Registered: 09-2002 |
What can break now? I think I am bullet proof. | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 373 Registered: 02-2002 |
"What can break now? I think I am bullet proof."  Quick, knock on wood I am betting the first thing to go is the CV's..... 35's + stock CV's =  | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2002 |
I broke my DS Rear axle and blew my cross shaft in my diff with 245/70 tires and stock diffs/grears. Since I have had 265/75 tires and an ARB in the rear, I have not broke any stock axles. It is only a matter of time before I blow both axles and tear my locker to pieces. Brian, good stuff. Getting HD GBR Shafts in the morning. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 211 Registered: 02-2003 |
Shit James. new gears, axles, and lift all in a month. I want to come work with you. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 252 Registered: 10-2002 |
D. I am a server at a fine dining restaurant, 4 days a week. I'm just getting new axles, springs, 4 new shocks, diff gaurds, new exhaust, and maybe new tires. I wish I could get gears but I may throw in a front traction device. It is mother's day/Graduation so I get what I can while I can. That mud hole off of 81 was nasty, but good. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 220 Registered: 02-2003 |
Are yopu getting a new Y pipe? I may want your old one if you are. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2002 |
I had a buddy weld it all back together. It was a new y-pipe or HD axles...simple choice for me. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 101 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sounds like this is "just another" $1k job...... | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2002 |
D. I may be selling my stock axles if I decide I don't need them for spares. Interested? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 225 Registered: 02-2003 |
yea, let me know. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2002 |
"At the event last week in NC, I did not attend, but I did not hear anyone talking of "Extream" trails, but there were broken parts.." D, the interesting thing about Uhwarrie is the trails depends on the weather. Everything is red clay, if the weather is dry then a stock truck can run all of the trails with no problems (I've done it too). I see a lot of stock trucks out there when its dry (Izuzus, Tacomas, Ford full size trucks, elcaminos, etc). Two weeks ago, it was rainy and everything was a giant slip-and-slide. No, the trails aren't the biggest and baddest in the world but they do get tricky when the water falls from the sky. You should come down, good times had by all. Max T. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 226 Registered: 02-2003 |
Max, I would like to get down to Uhwarrie sometime. I hope I can make the LR event there. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2002 |
Chappy, Axles are yours if you want them. Make me an offer off line at [email protected]. I just baught a Warn winch by accident so I need some loot. |
