| Author | Message | ||
     Mike Haun (Redrx7) New Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 36 Registered: 04-2003 |
.. Ok! So I get my new (95 used 106k miles) Discovery yesterday, and start to analyze the condition and problems. I call all of these things 'traits' for it makes the vehcile somewhat fun and unique. This morning I found a major 'character flaw' with my new-used truck, and I am hoping some super hero can fly down from above and help. Last night I tried to program my remote to no success. It just continued to make me look foolish running around the truck twenty times. So, I figured I had enough for the night on that task and pulled the Disco in the garage. I then lubed up the door key locks (drivers door key lock wouldn't even work for it was so tight). I then started taking the rear door assembly off to fix the latch not catching all the way. In the diagnosis of that, I found the actuator motor not being able to hold the pressure for the latch, thus always leaving it in "locked" position. Ok, put it back together and will order a new one. No biggie. This morning I go to drive it to work, and notice I had a large problem that just magically occured overnight. I place the vehicle in reverse (automatic), and BAM.... nothing happens. The truck freely rev's its engine. Place it in drive, same thing, etc. When engaging park it quickly gives a little grind, something simular to a manual transmission syncro going out. I put it in park, and the vehcile freely rolls as if it were in nuetral. To make matters worse, I couldn't get the key out either for it thought I wasn't in Nuetral or Park (safety feature on all cars). I finally disconnected the battery, which seemed to allow me to pull the key out. Great, huh? Please help me diagnose what could be wrong. I am at work now, and when I get home I would like to rip it apart and figure it out. Please keep in mind that I am new the discovery, but not so new with cars in general. What could it be: - Clutch Packs for the auto transmission bad? - Auto transmission pump not working, thus not allowing the clutch packs to engage? - CV / DriveShaft broken? - I plan to check the transmission fluid and see if it is burned, as an indicator that it is dead. Any ideas? Going through my thoughts last night, I noticed that the vehcile did move in park when I was leaning on the back bumper with the rear door open. I didn't even put a thought into it at all, and now it seems very obvious that this occured right after I pulled it into the garage (10 feet)... Remember, I had it parked in the driveway doing the remote programming, then pulled it in 10 feet to work on the rear door. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 272 Registered: 11-2002 |
The transfer case is not in gear. While you were there fucking around with it you moved it. Move it back in and ride..... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 718 Registered: 09-2002 |
as simple as that... | ||
| Mike Haun (Redrx7) New Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 37 Registered: 04-2003 |
Kyle- Sweet. I was really disappointed with the problem when it occured. I was running late for work, and just assumed the worse... I will try this when I get home, but I swore it was engaged in the middle. I would love to be wrong! When do you want to take my money Kyle? I am ready to deposit! Mike | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 37 Registered: 04-2003 |
"engaged in the middle.." Mike, are you sure you realize what Kyle means? Or maybe I dont... but what I think he was referring to was that your center diff lock was not in a gear. Ususally this makes a buzzer go off, but yours being a 95 im not sure. If its in the middle, its out of gear... If im talking out my ass, forgive me.. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 343 Registered: 11-2002 |
I don't think that it goes off if you are in the middle of the H. But if you are on the sides i know it does. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 94 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sometimes they buzz sometime they don't... Mike howya doing out there? | ||
| Mike Haun (Redrx7) New Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2003 |
 Well, I work nights so I can only type my future actions. Because this was bugging me sooooo much, I called my non-mechanic wife to test some things for me. Results are good! I had her engage the Central Locking diff to Low, then High, then the 'normal' position. Then this allowed the truck to reverse and go forward. It seemed that the central locking lever was right in the middle of 'void' or nowhere. And there was a buzzer going off, but I honestly though that had to do with the door being ajar from some of the work done yesterday. Yay. Back on the road now! I need to take the central locking diff lever shroud apart and spray some wd40 on it or something. For it is like moving a lever in sand. Kyle, Peter, Richard, Chris & Chris; Thanks a bunch! Mike | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2003 |
good news mike! Btw.. there should be 4 positions.. for normal driving you will want the lever to be in the unlocked High position.. which If my memory is working is top right.. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 344 Registered: 11-2002 |
no i don't think your memmory is workin . It is lower right actually. that is high and unlocked. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2003 |
hehe, i didnt feel like getting up to look... | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 345 Registered: 11-2002 |
yea i just have super good vision and can see from the office right into my car!! | ||
| Mike Haun (Redrx7) New Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2003 |
"yea i just have super good vision and can see from the office right into my car!!" SEE!!!! I told you I needed a super hero, and your powers allow you to look far away in odd directions! Now, how else can we utilize these super powers? Thanks again. Mike | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 346 Registered: 11-2002 |
the sad thing is that i stare at my car from about 3-10 since i am in the office doing homework and it just sits in front of me, and i ate homework, so i have developed this vision from that. I would suggest you try it | ||
| Mike Haun (Redrx7) Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2003 |
Not having a manual is pissing me off. I ordered one, but in the mean time can someone answer a few basic questions? How do you work the CDL?! I pulled a muscle in my right shoulder, and I can't move the CDL lever any more with that arm.  Ok... I assume it is an H pattern. On the left is the 'locking' mechanism. On the right is regular enagement? When does it actually engage? For example. The knob is sitting there on the right/middle side. I can push it to the left or right with medium pulling power. Is it engaged? If I push it all the way to the right, I have no place to stick it in the up or down position. It just sits there.... Is this correct? And vise versa for the right side. Even though I have it pushed all the way to the right, and attempting a downward position, the 4x4 cdl light on the dash is on (not moving, just idling with the car on). BTW, I have the car in nuetral while I am doing this. Can someone tell me if I am just 4x4 stupid? My arm/shoulder hurts, and looks kind of crippled. It is getting embarrasing when people ask what is wrong with my arm, and I tell them I was playing with my lever. Help. I hate noob questions too. Mike | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 49 Registered: 04-2003 |
The cdl lever engages the different gearing in the transfer case.. It is an "H" Pattern.. Quite often you it can be sticky and hard to shift or even seized from lack of use. You adjust it whil in neutral, but to make sure it is fully engaged, you have to put the truck back in gear and roll forward or backward a tiny bit. If the 4x4 light is illuminated while in any position while on the right side, it means the diff lock has not disengaged, try putting the truck back in gear and moving forward or back a bit. There is a fairly detailed listing on how it all works in the owners manual.. You should read that really. You can screw your truck up pretty bad operating the cdl incorrectly or by driving around on dry pavement with the cdl engaged. It should only be used on slick surfaces like snow, or when offroading. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2002 |
this might help http://www.discoweb.org/discovery/basics.htm | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 145 Registered: 03-2002 |
More help plus diagrams of linkage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/efe4/images/rover/difflock/discodifflock.htm | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1409 Registered: 02-2002 |
You can use WD-40 to lube the linkage, but grease is a far bettter way to go. The transfer case linkage is surprisingly complicated, given what it does, and even more surprisingly, most of it,if not all of it is exposed to the elements. On top of the trannie, the transfer case linkage is open to the top, if you can get a grease gun with a long tube, try to fill the void with grease to both lubricate the linakge and to displace water that will get in there. Also, there is a bar that slides cross-wise and goes completely through the housing, this bar gets gunked up and won't move, while you're trying to fill the casting with grease, move the transfer case to all positions and smear grease on both sides of the assembly so that you get some grease on both ends of the bar that slides sideways. Last week, I removed one that was frozen solid, the replacement assembly was heavily lubed to avoid this in the future. It is far easier to accomplish this with the trannie out of the vehicle, trust me! I have no clue as to how fellas can add the diff lock linkage without removing the entire trannie from the truck. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 54 Registered: 04-2003 |
Paul, I know you are pretty handy so let me ask you this.. What the easiest way to get the top 3 bolts on the bellhousing off, especially the one in the far drivers side position. Getting a wrench and any leverage on that one seems to be a lost cause.. Hopefully you have a trick to suggest? | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1414 Registered: 02-2002 |
Richard: I have tried to post a response three times, but Ho won't let me for some reason. Peace, Paul | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1415 Registered: 02-2002 |
Actually, that one is easier than the one on the passenger side in the same position. Last weekend, we used a 4' long extension with a universal on the end, wrap both the universal and the socket with electrical tape to keep it somewhat straight and to retain the bolt until you get it started. Also, it helps if you drop the trannie mount bolts so you can tilt the engine down in back-believe it or not, the factory manual says to remove the fan and top radiator hose to allow the engine to tilt even further back. You'll need to feed the extension over the top of the mounts and trannie-you're right, it's not an easy job, maybe the first time I'll say something was difficult on these trucks. Usually, my biggest hurdle is parts availability and getting the correct parts the first time around. After three days of work, we finally got that damned •••••• in place! Too bad it was a close friend and not a job for which I got paid straight time to do:-(. Peace, Paul | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2003 |
hehe, thanks for that advice.. I havent tried that approach angle yet.. been trying to get it from the side and top. | ||
| Craig J Davis (Craigjdavis) New Member Username: Craigjdavis Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2003 |
Rich, I've got some super long socket extensions if you need to borrow one. Cheers, Craig |
