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     Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 36 Registered: 04-2003 |
I got a chance to update the site with the photos and comments from the four sessions I have spent on it.. the link is http://www.rovercenter.com Also to answer a few messages from the old thread.. - Ron ... Yes I remember you, your the guy that knows everything about Rovers, but yet yours never run. =) .. Also, as to your comment about having it out in 2 days.. yes that is possible.. but im not in a rush, and im doing alot of cleanup, and customizing while I do this so Im taking my time.. Also , there is no need for special engine mounts, the 2.8 will bolt right into the existing V8 mounts. - Chris, your on crack, just like corey.. your facts are quite wrong.. A 4.6 engine conversion is much easier yes, but the prices your quote arent correct. For any qualified shope to do an engine swap will be $2500, and a factory new 4.6 long block will cost you $6000, and the generation 2 4.6 longblock is $9,000. Also the 4.6 has 300 ft lb of torque, while my diesel has 277 ft lb.. Ill take the tiny drop in torque for the mileage any day... and 277 is more then enough anyways and I get that power at only 1400 rpm while the 4.6 needs 2600 rpm to get its max torque. - Greg , Im in Denver area, engine is coming from Brazil via the UK. - Joseph , What is the IAS motor? If I have one and dont need it its yours... - Other Chris, I dont know alot about the D2, but considering its the same engine, and same gearbox ( i think ) this engine should work fine in a D2 as well.. someone feel free to correct me on this.. | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 217 Registered: 08-2002 |
Rich, I'm keeping a close eye on your project. I was dead set on the 4.6 conversion, but a 2.8 cummins is really the way to go if you got the dough. I would have to wait until I payoff my loan before that happens. About a year & half left. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2003 |
thanks chris.. one thing though , this isnt a cummins.. its a 300tdi block which has been redesigned and improved a little by international in Brazil. A cummins would rip the crap outta my drivetrain im afraid.. =) | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 336 Registered: 04-2001 |
"- Ron ... Yes I remember you, your the guy that knows everything about Rovers, but yet yours never run. =)" There is a very important lesson in this. You know more about rovers now than you did then but now yours does not run.  I am actually up to 4 running now. Its hard to make them run when they are apart. Thats a good lesson too. Its cool they set them up with custom mounts to apart to the V8 stock mounts. With the old 300TDi style you had to use 300TDi/DII mounts and I would not like to be welding motor mounts on a disco frame. Removal is really easy its the install that is going to be interesting. I know some of the shops in the UK do it in two days (in and out and that is with a •••••• swap) so it can't be THAT bad. I am really interested to see how the ECU reacts (I have no idea what it will do just curious really) and also how the trans works out driveability wise with the new motor. Looking good, Ron Ron | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 337 Registered: 04-2001 |
It you get a few extentions together preferablly ones with a "wobble" end it will make getting the bolts in the bellhousing much easier to get to. Ron | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2003 |
The ECU is going to be functioning as normal.. but in someone elses truck!!! =) No more ecu or computers for me... or evaps..! | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2003 |
also, apparently the auto R380 box had some shifting issues becuase of the powerband on the stock 300tdi which Im sure is what you are referring to, but with this engines low end torque there is apparently much less of that. But of course I wont know for sure until its being driven. There is some sort of thingamabob that Mike sells at Britrest which lets you adjust something in the transmission if you want to fine tune it.. but I havent gotten into it as I dont know if I need it. | ||
| James Newman (Lr_disco_i) Member Username: Lr_disco_i Post Number: 69 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm prolly stupid but would it not be cheaper to get the engine directly from Brazil? I'm sure someone can explain this to me... | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 50 Registered: 04-2003 |
cheaper how? you mean shipping? The company in the UK buys them buy the shipping container in bulk, so I dont think there is any significant savings to be had from Brazil. Its not like they ordered one, and then had it go from Brazil and then to me. Also the company in the UK does all the work to make it a kit whereas if it came from Brazil direct, I would have to deal with getting an adapter plate, and engine mounts fabricated. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 851 Registered: 08-2002 |
The word so far from Mike @ Britrest is the DII has several electronic programs that, at this time, prevent this new engine from being installed. Something to do with the alarm being tied into the ignition, etc. Anyway, he's checking into it. I'm sure that eventually someone will get that worked out. In the mean time, we DII owners will just have to sit on the sidelines and watch. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 53 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hmm.. must be that electonic ignition disabling thing.. I dont think mine has that.. You could always just keep your alarm as a noise maker and not have the ignition disable function. Oh well, I dont worry about theft out here. If I remember correctly Greg, your out on the East Coast, MD? In which case, I would want to keep my truck a little more locked up as well. =) * ex beltway brat. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 852 Registered: 08-2002 |
NC actually, but I could live without the alarm. I think part of the problem is the alarm kills several things. Ignition, fuel delivery, etc. So part of the problem may be interfacing the new engine without a computer with the car's other computer to let it know that it's OK that there's not an engine computer. Did that make sense at all? | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 724 Registered: 09-2002 |
FWIW, there's a 3.9 liter 4-cylinder Cummins. | ||
| James Newman (Lr_disco_i) Member Username: Lr_disco_i Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2003 |
Which company in the UK puts the kit together? I'm from the UK orginally (about three yrs of being in CO) so I am rather interested to know... | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 338 Registered: 04-2001 |
"No more ecu or computers for me... or evaps..!" This is going to be interesting. On a GEMS truck the Alarm ECU, ABS ECU, and engine ECU are all tied together. You may have to get creative getting it to start as the alarm ECU will not cooperate without the engine ECU talking to it. Unless someone else (ECR, discotech?) has done the conversion on an NAS disco I (all other DIs are non GEMS) you may be having some fun getting it back running Ron | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 140 Registered: 10-2002 |
Richard, I may be talking out of my ass here but.....your just going to have to get rid of the Alarm ecu, abs ecu and engine ecu. Neither off these systems are a good thing anyway. As for the alarm ecu, if you have trouble getting around that, just take it to a stereo store that does alarm install. My local Car Toys said they can completly bypass the stock alarm and use an aftermarket one. Keep in mind that a lot of these install guys are ex-car theives. These guys know how to start and steal a car even thought it has the ignition/fuel cut off. The alarm may be as simple as just fooling it into thinking that your truck is always unlocked. I dont think it will be that hard. The abs, just pull the fuse. The engine ecu, just junk the whole thing. FWIW Dan | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
yeah, fuck the worthless alarm...as if he's going to let the alarm dictate what freakin engine he can put in his truck. "Aw shit, the alarm ECU isn't compatible with the new engine...pull the engine back out and put the old one back in..." | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 56 Registered: 04-2003 |
Ya the alarm is worthless, I will wire it up simply to the door sensors the ultrasonic sensor, and the hood sensor like an aftermarket one.. no biggy.. My ABS, wont be hooked up, completely bypassing it. THe fuel shutoffs wont be used either as the pump is being removed, a new filter used, and just the existing fuel lines are used. I dont know here the fuel shutoff is, but I would imagine its either at the pump of on the fuel rail. As to what the name of the company is in the UK, I dont know, but Mike at Britrest might give it up to you, although I doubt it... He wants to be the middleman and I dont blame him.. Ron, my truck ceased being a gems truck on day 2.. =) the only computer thats going to be still in the truck is my gps, and sat radio. All other electrics are going to be waterpoofed and wired as if aftermarket accessories. | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 109 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi There are two UK companies I know selling the 2.8. One is Nene Overland and the other is Motor & Diesel Engineering(Anglia) LTD. www.neneoverland.co.uk [email protected] I do know that MD are charging �4406.25 inc of the fitting kit. Hope this helps Pete S. | ||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2002 |
I could not access the whole article. I even registered for the board and still nothing. It says I'm not authorized to view it. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2002 |
Richard, I think your conversion is good. More power to ya . One thing I thought I would tell you: Make sure that your fuel tank filler is larger since diesel pumps have the bigger nozzle. It would really suck to have to use a funnel everytime you wanted to fill er' up. Max T. May the Force be with you | ||
| Joseph Bilyk (Denverrover) Member Username: Denverrover Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2003 |
Richard - here is what an IAS motor is: http://www.discoweb.org/faq/stepper.htm Mine is completely burnt out. It is a hard part to find for a 96 (I think you said yours was a 96?) Did you say you're in Denver? Me too. I would be more than happy to trade you a sixer or some cash for your IAS...maybe check out your rig. Haven't done too much wheeling these days...took my RRC up to Leadville for a couple weekends of camping/mud last summer but work toooooooo much these days. Hopefully this summer may be different....let me know - Joe | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 95 Registered: 02-2003 |
300tdi/PS in d2, little things like the fly by wire system conversion to old style system are calculated to simply drive you nuts. It all comes down to the fact that any move away from the engine a vehicle came with is a very detail intensive experience with not everything coming together as hoped. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 66 Registered: 04-2003 |
Joseph, Pending me actually walking to the garage to see it and what I did with it.. Its yours.. =) re: D2. I guess I didnt realize the D2's were that different. I thought it was just a longer body and fancier interior. I can imagine why anything to do with powersteering would be different. Also, Chris, why would a change on engine be that big a deal, they come with these engines in other parts of the world dont they? Other then electronic issues, which I consider optional anyway, I cant imagine what the problem would be. | ||
| Joseph Bilyk (Denverrover) Member Username: Denverrover Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2003 |
Richard - you the man. Your project looks great. Hopefully someday I'll get the balls (and funds) to do that to my old Rangie. Hey whenever you get around to it email me & we'll work it out. - Joe |
