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Michael (Jebsdad123)
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Username: Jebsdad123

Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

DETROIT - Here is how specific brands ranked in J.D. Power and Associates' annual initial quality survey.
The study is based on responses from more than 52,000 people who bought or leased new 2003 cars and trucks.
The survey is done in the first 90 days of ownership. The figures represent the number of problems per 100 vehicles:
Brand ...........Problems/100 vehicles
Lexus 76
Cadillac 103
Infiniti 110
Acura 111
Buick 112
Mercury 113
Porsche 117
BMW 118
Toyota 121
Jaguar 122
Honda 128
Volvo 128
Chevrolet 130
Audi 132
Mercedes-Benz 132
INDUSTRY AVERAGE 133
Oldsmobile 134
Chrysler 136
Ford 136
Dodge 137
Lincoln 139
Nissan 139
Pontiac 142
Hyundai 143
Volkswagen 143
GMC 144
Suzuki 144
Jeep 146
Subaru 146
Mazda 148
Mitsubishi 148
Saturn 158
Saab 160
Mini 166
Kia 168
Land Rover 190
Hummer 225

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Note: Rankings exclude Isuzu because of an insufficient sample.
 

R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
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Username: Rover50987

Post Number: 552
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Qualify "problems"

I am sure LR would still be up at the top, but is it partly because someone buys a new one and comes back in a week to complain about not being able to see the traffic lights out the wind screen?

It is also interesting to note that Toyota didn't fair too well in this survey. And that Lexus is by far at the top, everything in the middle is pretty close together, then you have LR and Hummer way out on the end. If you plotted this on a graph you would easily see what I mean, and if you have ever taken any statistics class you might wonder about the results.

But again, LR would be pretty high on any list I would guess - but that's what makes them so fun!

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Jeffry Scott (Jeffry)
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

One of the major complaints against the Hummer, according to what I heard on the radio, was poor gas mileage. I would assume many of the Rover complaints would also be mileage.

Hellooooo, shouldn't you be aware these things guzzle gas by the big sign on the window that says 12 mpg?
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Username: Muskyman

Post Number: 267
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

there is no sign on the hummer window...because of its weight it is exempt from having to post its mpg on the sticker.


quote:

DETROIT (May 6) -- Hummer owners, frustrated with the vehicle's excessive fuel consumption, ranked the SUV last in a benchmark poll of vehicle quality, according to a survey released by J.D. Power and Associates on Tuesday.

In the group's annual survey of consumers during the first 90 days of ownership, General Motors Corp.'s highly profitable Hummer brand had 225 complaints per 100 vehicles. By comparison, the top-ranked Lexus, by Toyota Motor Corp., had 76 complaints per 100 vehicles.

Gary Cowger, president of GM North America, said the H2's fuel consumption was the No. 1 complaint among owners, outpacing the No. 2 gripe -- that the SUV's headlights were aimed too high -- by a 2-1 margin. GM has fixed the headlight problem, Cowger said.

At 6,400 pounds (2,903 kg), the Hummer H2 is so heavy it falls outside U.S. regulations on fuel economy. Unlike other passenger cars and trucks, GM does not have to display the gas mileage on the window sales sticker of the H2 at dealerships. Hummer estimates the military-inspired SUV gets 11 to 13 miles (18 to 21 km) per gallon.

J.D. Power conducted its survey of 52,000 U.S. owners and lessees earlier this year when the price of gas spiked higher.

"There's a very close correlation between the price of gasoline at the pump and the incidence of excessive fuel consumption problems," Brian Walters, director of product research with J.D. Power, told Reuters.

Hummer's thirst for gas certainly has not hurt sales. Hummer is the only GM division that has sold vehicles this year without costly sales incentives, such as the zero percent financing offer that has swept the industry.


05/06/03 18:13 ET

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Frank Rafka (Mongosd2)
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Username: Mongosd2

Post Number: 43
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

all this is the same bullshit from that bitch that started the "detroit project"...claiming driving a suv was supporting terrorism...same shit, different package...
 

Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
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Username: Ganryu

Post Number: 204
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

It would be beneficial if they were to quantify the types of problems. For example, they could break the rankings down to complaints about mechanical problems, wind noise, fuel economy, etc. Then they might have a survey that would be worth something.
 

mantaray (Mantaray)
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Username: Mantaray

Post Number: 141
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

this was discussed over on my Jeep board too. in response to the gas issue, whethr or not the MPG is posted in the window, you're buying a truck that ways as much as any 2 given sedans with a 6 litre pushrod V8 under the hood and you expect good fuel economy? this study just supports the theory that people are sheep and just as stupid.
 

David Marchand (Dmarchand)
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Username: Dmarchand

Post Number: 138
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I'd have to agree with that. Your an idiot if you even think that truck, or the current Rovers ( aside) get good gas mileage.

"Good mileage" is what you make of it. I'm slap-happy to get 250 miles out of my tank.

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