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Michael (Jebsdad123)
Member Username: Jebsdad123
Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 06:09 pm: |
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DETROIT - Here is how specific brands ranked in J.D. Power and Associates' annual initial quality survey. The study is based on responses from more than 52,000 people who bought or leased new 2003 cars and trucks. The survey is done in the first 90 days of ownership. The figures represent the number of problems per 100 vehicles: Brand ...........Problems/100 vehicles Lexus 76 Cadillac 103 Infiniti 110 Acura 111 Buick 112 Mercury 113 Porsche 117 BMW 118 Toyota 121 Jaguar 122 Honda 128 Volvo 128 Chevrolet 130 Audi 132 Mercedes-Benz 132 INDUSTRY AVERAGE 133 Oldsmobile 134 Chrysler 136 Ford 136 Dodge 137 Lincoln 139 Nissan 139 Pontiac 142 Hyundai 143 Volkswagen 143 GMC 144 Suzuki 144 Jeep 146 Subaru 146 Mazda 148 Mitsubishi 148 Saturn 158 Saab 160 Mini 166 Kia 168 Land Rover 190 Hummer 225 ___ Note: Rankings exclude Isuzu because of an insufficient sample.
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R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
Senior Member Username: Rover50987
Post Number: 552 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 09:30 pm: |
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Qualify "problems" I am sure LR would still be up at the top, but is it partly because someone buys a new one and comes back in a week to complain about not being able to see the traffic lights out the wind screen? It is also interesting to note that Toyota didn't fair too well in this survey. And that Lexus is by far at the top, everything in the middle is pretty close together, then you have LR and Hummer way out on the end. If you plotted this on a graph you would easily see what I mean, and if you have ever taken any statistics class you might wonder about the results. But again, LR would be pretty high on any list I would guess - but that's what makes them so fun! http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net |
   
Jeffry Scott (Jeffry)
Member Username: Jeffry
Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:07 pm: |
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One of the major complaints against the Hummer, according to what I heard on the radio, was poor gas mileage. I would assume many of the Rover complaints would also be mileage. Hellooooo, shouldn't you be aware these things guzzle gas by the big sign on the window that says 12 mpg? |
   
thom mathie (Muskyman)
Senior Member Username: Muskyman
Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:15 pm: |
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there is no sign on the hummer window...because of its weight it is exempt from having to post its mpg on the sticker.
quote:DETROIT (May 6) -- Hummer owners, frustrated with the vehicle's excessive fuel consumption, ranked the SUV last in a benchmark poll of vehicle quality, according to a survey released by J.D. Power and Associates on Tuesday. In the group's annual survey of consumers during the first 90 days of ownership, General Motors Corp.'s highly profitable Hummer brand had 225 complaints per 100 vehicles. By comparison, the top-ranked Lexus, by Toyota Motor Corp., had 76 complaints per 100 vehicles. Gary Cowger, president of GM North America, said the H2's fuel consumption was the No. 1 complaint among owners, outpacing the No. 2 gripe -- that the SUV's headlights were aimed too high -- by a 2-1 margin. GM has fixed the headlight problem, Cowger said. At 6,400 pounds (2,903 kg), the Hummer H2 is so heavy it falls outside U.S. regulations on fuel economy. Unlike other passenger cars and trucks, GM does not have to display the gas mileage on the window sales sticker of the H2 at dealerships. Hummer estimates the military-inspired SUV gets 11 to 13 miles (18 to 21 km) per gallon. J.D. Power conducted its survey of 52,000 U.S. owners and lessees earlier this year when the price of gas spiked higher. "There's a very close correlation between the price of gasoline at the pump and the incidence of excessive fuel consumption problems," Brian Walters, director of product research with J.D. Power, told Reuters. Hummer's thirst for gas certainly has not hurt sales. Hummer is the only GM division that has sold vehicles this year without costly sales incentives, such as the zero percent financing offer that has swept the industry. 05/06/03 18:13 ET Copyright 2003 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.
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Frank Rafka (Mongosd2)
Member Username: Mongosd2
Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:36 pm: |
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all this is the same bullshit from that bitch that started the "detroit project"...claiming driving a suv was supporting terrorism...same shit, different package... |
   
Todd W. McLain (Ganryu)
Member Username: Ganryu
Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 06:36 am: |
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It would be beneficial if they were to quantify the types of problems. For example, they could break the rankings down to complaints about mechanical problems, wind noise, fuel economy, etc. Then they might have a survey that would be worth something. |
   
mantaray (Mantaray)
Member Username: Mantaray
Post Number: 141 Registered: 02-2002
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:24 am: |
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this was discussed over on my Jeep board too. in response to the gas issue, whethr or not the MPG is posted in the window, you're buying a truck that ways as much as any 2 given sedans with a 6 litre pushrod V8 under the hood and you expect good fuel economy? this study just supports the theory that people are sheep and just as stupid. |
   
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
Member Username: Dmarchand
Post Number: 138 Registered: 09-2002
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:47 am: |
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I'd have to agree with that. Your an idiot if you even think that truck, or the current Rovers ( aside) get good gas mileage. "Good mileage" is what you make of it. I'm slap-happy to get 250 miles out of my tank. |
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