| Author | Message | ||
     Leo (Leo_hallak) Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 62 Registered: 02-2003 |
What does everyone run for fire extinguishers, where do you mount them and where did you pick them up from? Thanks -Leo | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1470 Registered: 02-2002 |
Leo: I have a 2.5 pound dry chemical extinguisher mounted under the driver's seat currently. It will eventually go on a panel that replaced the plastic cover for the CD player which also holds my flashlight. They are available from any of a number of sources, look in the yellow pages... The biggest issue with fire extinguishers in these vehicles is not how well they put fires out, but whether they stay where they are intended. I rolled my truck over the Easter weekend and even the stuff that was tied down shifted wildly! A fire extinguisher could easily become a major head injury if not secured. Personally, I consider a fire extinguisher to be one of those mandatory safety items for a vehicle. I have had occasion to extinguish two vehicle fires in the same week. | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Paul, Here is the link where i am looking http://www.sentrysafetysupply.com/manufacturers/index.cfm/fuseaction/manufacture r/mid/114.htm , any thoughts on these? I Called and asked them about how they mount and how secure but they really didnt have that many answers.. I was thinking the Kidde Pro 2.5MP Fire Extinguisher -leo | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2003 |
I use American Family Insurance. If the truck is on fire, I'm outta there. Salvaging as much of a burning car as possible is not worth my skin or life. Paul, what's up with the rollover????? | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2485 Registered: 04-2002 |
Blue has a very good point but there might be other uses like if your exhaust brushes against a dry bush or something while out 'blazing new trails to ghost towns' and you set it on fire, it might be nice to be able and easily put it out before it gets out of hand. Just go to Wal-Mart, buy a fire extinguisher, bolt the mount to a free space in your disco and call it a day. | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 432 Registered: 12-2002 |
Home Depot always has a good selection. I also keep a big one in my garage just in case my fine mechanical talents fail me and I blow something up. S- | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2003 |
and good point to you, Carter. That's why I always carry a full bladder  Seriously, that is another reason to stay on established trails. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2003 |
yeah, big extinguisher mounted to the wall in the garage is key...and so is American Family home insurance | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2487 Registered: 04-2002 |
LOL | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1473 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well, having had to put out two fires that I had nothing to do with and another where I was intimately involved, I can tell you from first-hand experience that having a fire extinguisher and some training on its use can be the difference between a raging inferno that will consume your vehicle and perhaps more, and just having a cool story to tell.. Blue: 'Wheeling in Kentucky, I drove into an obstacle that didn't look nearly as bad as it was. That and my refusal to disconnect my sway bars, the next thing I knew, the horizon had shifted 90 degrees, and I was trying to reach out the window to push the ground away (until I realized just how stupid that was) and a woman who was wheeling with us was grabbing ahold of the passenger door of the truck, pulling us back towards Terra Firma. It wasn't a complete roll-over, but there were two wheels in the air. Surprisingly, if you didn't know exactly how those panels were supposed to line up, you'd never even know it. I did more damage sliding into a mountainside than rolling! It was a most gentle roll, if such a thing exists. Some good did come of it. The wife says I can buy/build a rollcage. Now, the only question is indo, versus exo... Now, go buy a fire extinguisher! Peace, Paul | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 27 Registered: 04-2003 |
You buy an extinguisher, I'll buy an insurance policy & running shoes! A 24-gallon tank with variable volumes of high octane and vapor scares the shit out of me. So do pressurized fuel lines. I was burned very badly a long time ago, but it's something you never forget. There's a reason it hurts so damn bad - your body is telling you to get the fuck away. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2490 Registered: 04-2002 |
Ok so American Family insurance, but what kind of running shoes???? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 28 Registered: 04-2003 |
the kind Forrest Gump had | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1475 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blue: If I was scared of that kind of stuff, I couldn't work in industry. We go through around 500,000 pounds of paint purge solvent a year, and it makes gasoline look like water. We transfer it outside... that and two years ago, when I conducted a drum inventory, we had in excess of 256 55-gallons drums inside the plant. At my last employer, I had a million gallon tank farm full of solvents and toxics! Before that, we had a facility with eight million gallons of diesel fuel and barge unloading facilities. What was that about 24 gallons of gasoline? Silly consultant! Explosives are for industrial EH&S Managers! Some guys are afraid to get out of their offices. On a far more serious note, I'm sorry to hear about your having been burned. I went to high school with a fellow who had been burned as a child, he was never the same and still doesn't work at 40 years of age. Got your Dead tix? We do! Peace, Paul | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2002 |
If you're going to be spraying something on your engine be careful it won't do more damage then the fire. Halotron1 and a few others are the only sort of thing you want for a vehicle fire. At least that's what I've learned. Griot's has a good one, but it is very very expensive. | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 181 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here's what I use: http://www.h3r.com/products/home_vehicle.htm Halon=Bad for environment, good for vehicle! | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 29 Registered: 04-2003 |
I've done plenty of drilling around the million gallon ASTs at the Phoenix tank farm. But I'm not worried about them burning. What I'm talking about is: You see that your vehicle is on fire, do you A) grab your cool-looking dinky fire extiguisher from it's custom chrome mount and proceed to fuck with the shitty Land Rover hood latch mechanism, open the hood, fuck with the shitty hood prop while your face is burning, then play fireman; or do you B) get out of the vehicle, move a safe distance away, call 911, then call the insurance co to do their job? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 274 Registered: 10-2002 |
I smother the flames with my body because getting out the fire extinguisher is too slow to save my precious landy!!! thanks for the linke greg, those are the same ones from GG. | ||
| Mike J. (Mudd) Member Username: Mudd Post Number: 98 Registered: 02-2002 |
 | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 231 Registered: 02-2003 |
I got mine at Lowes and sprayed it silver with some paint I has around. If the truck catches on fire Im gonna let it burn and collect, but if I ever really need to put a fire out somewhere I will use it.  | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1480 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dry chemical fire extinguishers use combinations of phosphate compounds as the extinguishing agent. As this is essentially a salt, it will corrode anything with which it comes into contact. As a result, should one need to use such an extinguisher, it is clearly recommended that one wash whatever it is they extinguished with copious amounts of water to flush it all away-it should be freely soluble. After a fire, such things as trying to keep ignition components dry takes on far less meaning and importance:-). That said, I have had need to extinguish an engine fire with many aluminium components. It wasn't very long after the fire that it became very apparent where I had used the extinguisher as it began to oxidize quickly. Halon extinguishere are really only indicated for use in more enclosed areas (computer rooms, boat holds, etc.)than we are likely to encounter on the trail or shop as the gas will dissipate, often before the fire is extinguished. Dry chemical on the other hand tends to be less dispersive and once applied, will remain to smother the fire and to some extent, neutralize the fuel, rather than blowing away like the gas from Halon. Also, Halon extinguishers are becoming horrendously expensive due to the Kyoto Protocol. Be aware that the Kidde extinguishers are considered by those in the field to be single-use throw-away fire extinguishers (avoid those with plastic valves). Amerex and American LaFrance are far better-I have an American LaFrance that was made in the 40's and is still in use. It's been hydro-tested so many times, the test stamps cover a good portion of the tank! You guys who don't wish to extinguish their own fires, while you are waiting for the insurance company to settle, discounting your modifications and refusing to pay for some-and raising your premiums, I'll be out wheeling with Mike Mudd and D. Chapman. Peace, Paul | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 30 Registered: 04-2003 |
so you don't pay for insurance coverage? that's odd, because you don't type in ALLCAPS... | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1482 Registered: 02-2002 |
Confused... I thought that sentence said that your insurance company might not pay for some of the mods on your burned out truck. If it didn't let me try again. Your insurance company will discount the value of any modifications to your truck and will refuse to pay for some or all of the modifications, depending upon your policy. Further, if you were working on your vehicle when the fire started, your insurance policy might not pay at all. If you are working on your vehicle in a housing addition that has CC&Rs disallowing such work, your homeowner's insurance policy might not pay. If you're working on your vehicle when it catches fire and catches your house on fire-it won't be pretty. What is really funny is that a man who makes his living telling people not to run with scissors is encouraging folks to extinguish accidental fires-if they are able to. So, Blue-did you get your Dead tix? Peace, Paul | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 31 Registered: 04-2003 |
I know Paul, just busting your balls. I'm not worried about insurance covering mods, because I'm all stock. I wonder what the clever insurance people would say if your truck burned to the ground and you had an extinguisher on board? By hard-mounting the red jug, you're indicating that you are competent to handle your fires...stranger things have happened in the world of insurance coverage gone wrong... I do carry a medium-sized extinguisher with me when I wheel - I was just amused by the image of all these guys with thermos-sized extinguishers thinking they can get under the hood & save the day if the burning shit hits the fan. But I guess it can't hurt to try to put out a fire...or can it?  Just continuing my effort to provide food for thought. Nope, no dead tix...did they exhume Jerry? | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1487 Registered: 02-2002 |
I have had formal hose and extinguisher training as part of my job. Unfortunately, had to put out many fires on the job, just had one last Sunday in of all places, my area, wastewater treatment. We do not have a fire brigade at this plant due to the training requirements and haven't had a fire in the paint line since September 2000! We tell folks to "ring the bell and run", but, if they think they can put the fire out, do it until you feel uncomfortable, then RUN! Personally, I prefer to limit the damage if I can. Get called a cowboy quite a bit (at my old job, my SCBA facepiece had a label that read "Cowboy") though. No, Jerry hasn't been exhumed, the remaining members have apparently run out of $ and gone back on the road-don't remember who took Jerry's place, but Dylan is opening for them. Peace, Paul | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2003 |
No, Jerry hasn't been exhumed, the remaining members have apparently run out of $ and gone back on the road-don't remember who took Jerry's place, but Dylan is opening for them. Ug.  I can picture it now: 75% of the crowd will be 60+ year old hippies showing the toll from years of free love & drugs but they're now on the wagon with Jesus and looking for a liver or a kidney; 20% will be under-21 hippie wannabes shitting their pants while high on ecstacy; and the remaining 5% will be people like us wondering why we bought tickets... | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 328 Registered: 02-2003 |
or there will be the 1% there like me who is totally hopped up on the music and the fact that i get to see dylan who totally rocked when i saw him a few years ago and the "dead" who can hang on there own without jerry, though it wont be the same. as long as they don't use the Saxophone as the lead instrument i'll be happy. my vote is for david grisman to fill in on mandolin and dawg up the dead's stuff this whole tour. rd | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 37 Registered: 04-2003 |
yeah, but you're a hippy wannabe | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1490 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'd rather hear a saxophone than an accordion! Rob-where you seein' 'em? We're going to Deer Creek in August. I'm really embarrassed I'm even going. After seeing the real Dead 69 times in 14 states and the District of Columbia, it won't ever be the same. Jerry's dead, I've moved on, and now, I'm goin' back again. At 40, I doubt I'll have much patience for the kids on X (or special K whatever that is, it seems to make people vomit and stare at the floor. What fun) or the losers in the lot beggin' money to get their best friend out of jail (first pass through the lot) and then, money for the tow (second pass) and finally for bus fare home (third and last pass through the lot). With luck, there will be lots of girls in the lot with no clothes on-hell yeah! Naked Hippie Chix!!! Blue-I need a kidney, but from Industrial exposure,not recreational:-). I think my liver is OK. Peace, Paul | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 329 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sheet paul,, i don't know where i'm gonna see them! i have a pile of vacation and i've never bought a ticket in advance for a show. pittsburgh if they are comming here, for sure. actually bobdylan.com sent me an email saying there was a tour but it didn't list the cities yet, and honestly i am not going to see the other ones without bob , i like him more, though i heard from EVERYONE that the last other ones show in pittsburgh was sonic beauty, and i missed it  naked hippy chicks and those sweet little tops they wear. Absolutely must get a floor on the Roof Rack for that night anyway, where is the tour info posted i need to start checking into this.. this reminds me, i was just trying to explain to KVT the sound of balloons filling up an then the POP and aaawwww... sound when we were building my rack. he had no sympathy rd | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1494 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh, so you're one of those guys who just showed up and hoped, eh? In Buckeye lake oh, about 1988, I met a very nice young lady on the soundboard who I later found out was probably Jerry's daughter Annabelle(?)... I never had a problem getting mail order tickets after that. I got beat up by the security nazis in Pittsburgh in '95 and will never go back. Stupid bastard refused to read my ticket that said TAPER and that he was in front of the taper entrance. After the melee ended, my ex-wife and I were profusely apologized to and escorted to our seats by a state police officer. Hopefully, my wife won't notice my gazing at the hippie chix. Yeah, right. Try dead.net for tour info. Somehow, I'm not surprised by Kyle's response. I still have two bottles in my garage, now, to get them filled-or not! Did you tell him about the lines to the pied piper's car? I once saw a woman with a balloon, it got the better of her and she was on the ground, there were many chasing the balloon she dropped! Peace, Paul | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 330 Registered: 02-2003 |
LOL... yeah i mentioned the line i recall coming home from richfield in like 93 or 94 and at several of the rest stops along the highway you would see a volkswagon van, several beat up cars and a bunch of these kids lying on the picnic tables with ballons in there hands.. lol. i suppose it stretched all the way to RFK like that. pittsburgh '95 show was sweet paul, they made it rain. rd | ||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 286 Registered: 08-2002 |
I am trying to figure out how to mount this little beauty  I like the old CO2 extinguishers....excellent for rechilling the amber elixer | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 224 Registered: 03-2002 |
i saw dylan at jazzfest in new orleans a few weekends ago...good luck. he has reached the point that he makes mushmouth sound like james earl jones. not that he was ever really clear, but shit, man. crosby, stills and nash sounded pretty good though. southern girls in bikini tops and shorts...ahhhh new orleans jazzfest. just get close enough to hear the band, and half way between the portapots and the beerstand and all is good! | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2002 |
The weather was perfect at JazzFest this year!!! Lot's of good music, beautiful women and I didn't have to use a fire extinguisher once! | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 225 Registered: 03-2002 |
with some of the women i saw...i thought i might have to use one! yeah...beat the hell out of the weather last few years...this year was so mild! i guess to stay on topic...i have mine mounted inside the little side boxes in the cargo area with some tow gear and tie down straps. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1502 Registered: 02-2002 |
I've been fortunate to see Dylan many times up close. Sometimes, he is a slobbering drunken fool and others, straight. Many blame Jerry's death on Dylan being present for the beginning of the '95 tour. Of course, the same folks blame him for the breakup of the Beatles. A coupla years ago, I got to see the music fest in Atlanta as part of the crew for Leftover Salmon. That was an incredible show, Robin Trower and Mojo Nixon,Boozoo Chavis, and finally Leftover Salmon from backstage. Of course, being a failed promtoer, I've also gotten to party with Vince Welnick (got busted!) and Merl Saunders. Mickey Hart is not a particularly friendly man. It doesn't bother me that I owe him $8750. Peace, Paul | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 226 Registered: 03-2002 |
boom, boom, out go the lights! | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 334 Registered: 02-2003 |
i saw dylan for the first time in 1992, then at woodstock 1995 then again here in like 1999 woodstock time was horrible. '99 he was dancing and sarcastic and fairly clear. he was pulling all sorts of old shit out too, i honestly could not have picked better songs. bob's set list he was there with phil lesh too http://www.bonnaroo.com/ne/2003/bonnaroo_ne.htm man i'd sure like to hit this or even the one in tennesse. rd | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1504 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob: I now know somebody else who was in upstate in '94 (it was '94, not '95, you must have spent more time there than I did). I only got to see Aerosmith, Nine Inch Nails and Metallica. Still can't believe I spent $135 or that... Crazy, crazy, crazy time, I never did get the smell out of my sneakers. Peace, Paul | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 335 Registered: 02-2003 |
i arrived a whole day early saw everything from joe cocker to house of pain to jackel and red hot chill peppers. for me it was fantastic experience. yes it was '94 ! good eye. rd |
