| Author | Message | ||
     Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 138 Registered: 04-2003 |
Sorry this doesn't include a LR, but my brother just 3 tickets for speeding in a 2000 trans am(55 in a 40), losing control(claims he didn't) and spinning tires (for 2 seconds).He was at a light with another trans am and the cop pulled him over. NOW, my question is will he get his liscence taken away for a year automatically, and can he get out of any of these tickets? The worst part is that he's only 16. If anyone could help I'm sure he would apreciate it seing as my parents want to sell it now. TIA | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 234 Registered: 02-2003 |
Dependes on how many points you are allowed in your state and how many points the tickets puts on his driving record. It may also depend on how early in the morning he goes to court and who pisses off the judge before he gets there. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 639 Registered: 10-2002 |
Your traffic laws may vary, and it depends on the Judge, but your Brother may have to learn lessons the hard way. Maybe it's a good thing that he is 16, he will firgure things out early before someone gets really hurt or killed. One thing he will learn is that insurance can sure get damn expensive! | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 772 Registered: 02-2002 |
sounds like daddy needs to take the T/A away! mike w | ||
| Eugene (Eugene) New Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well, it depends on your state. I'm guessing one or more of these tickets will require a court appearance and then you're dependent on the mercy of the judge. Given how serious these tickets are, your brother may want to consult with an attorney. If one or more of these tickets stick, insurance is going to be insane. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2186 Registered: 02-2002 |
Actually, he's lucky that he didn't get a ticket for drag-racing, which would have been devastating compared to speeding or squealing tires... it's up there with wreckless driving, which is also worse than those that he got... trust me, I know from experience... Like was said, depends on the state... Looking back, if dad had taken my T/A away, it'd have done me good.... it's a wonder I lived to make it out of high-school... Thinking about it, it might make sense to turn in the license, then your parents can drop him from their insurance... not fun for him, but, if he's gonna not use his head when driving, well...... -L | ||
| Matt Morian (Mmoria01) New Member Username: Mmoria01 Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
Get a lawyer. One he specializes in traff tickets. Just look in your local paper or TV guide. They aren't cheap, but they can probably get them reducded to non-moving violations. At worst case, fight it. Oil puddles are very common at stoplights and radar guns/speedometers are out of cal all the time | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 139 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks guys- it looks like my parents are dropping his insurance, and they're going to put the t/a in storage for a while. I guess it'll save them alot of money and my brother gas money. He better not expect to bum a ride off me though- Anyone know if a 2000 ta with 22k miles would be worth anything in 10 years? | ||
| TPH (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 433 Registered: 12-2002 |
It will be to a certain 26 year old.  S- | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 141 Registered: 04-2003 |
TPH- How much would you offer seing that we have only had it for 3 months. Just for the hell of it: Black on black leather, corsa exhaust, t-tops-automatic-perfect condition in and out (detailed every weekend)-anyone want to post a price? | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 457 Registered: 09-2002 |
You should see how much insurance costs if you run into a city bus! I didn't do it but a kid at work did and now he rides a motorbike because that's all he can afford. | ||
| Swamp Pappy (Swamp_pappy) New Member Username: Swamp_pappy Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2003 |
Come on Dan: You know damn well that every State is different. I'm not trying to get wise with ya, but shit, you gotta use the local resources you have boy. Check the motor Vehicle web site for the State where you live. Now most State's have a point system and if you mess with the law too many times, they grab you by the nuts and say "how you like this deal?" Did your brother get all 3 tickets within weeks or is this over the course of a year - you say he's 16, so I reckon it is in a few months time? It may be that you can have 3 violations every 2 years - you just have to get the details. I'm sure they post the criteria online. This Internet is one fancy source of information - good place for folks like me that never was much for learning and books. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 744 Registered: 09-2002 |
Leslie, an interesting typo - "wreckless" driving! I think people should be honored for it! peter | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 142 Registered: 04-2003 |
He got the three tickets on the same stop! | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 171 Registered: 10-2002 |
Leslie, I thought I was the only highschool kid to be driving a T/A. I got mine several years ago when I was 17 (traded my dodge stealth in for it after losing a race to one). It was a white 93 LT-1, automatic. To this day I wonder how I lived through those days (ever seen a white T/A pass you on the freeway at about 157mph, that was probably me, seriously). I can recall at least 3 times when I though that I was really going to die. It was great. When I finished highschool I used my tax refund to put a 100 shot nitrous on the T/A. An 18 year old kid with a 400hp car, move out a the way! Thank god soon afterword I burst a fuel line and the car burned to the ground. With the insurance money I bought another T/A. Luckily for my health this one was limited at 110mph. I never took the limiter off thinking it would help me live longer. It worked! I'm still around, and now I drive a disco. No more burnouts for me. Dan, I hope your bro gets his car back. If he lives through highschool he will be the better person for it all. I know I am. Dan | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2187 Registered: 02-2002 |
Peter, lol, yeah, I see what ya mean now, "reckless driving", lol... Daniel, lol, I had a '76 T/A, black w/ t-tops, gold trim.... it was gone and I was married and driving a Jeep Cherokee by the time your '93 was built... that was about the time I started wanting a Rover, when the Defenders arrived here.... Several times, I had no idea how fast I was going, given that I had pegged the needle. If I was a cop now and caught me doing what I had done then, I'd still not be out of jail, lol..... -L | ||
| Mark Albrecht (Markalbrecht) Member Username: Markalbrecht Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dan: I figured all three tickets were from one incident from your first post. The police officer most likely will have a very different factual version of the incident than your brother. Your brother is lucky he wasn't charged with a speed contest/exhibition (racing) which would, in most states, be a criminal (ie: jail time and license suspension as possible penalties) offense as opposed to a traffic offense. Even without the possibility of future driving, your brother (and parents) should check with a local attorney that handles misdemeanor criminal (these guys will know the traffic laws) and/or traffic offenses. This may lead to a resolution that would help your brother in terms of fines and possible licensing consequences. BTW, having his parents appear and verify the loss of vehicle and driving privileges will often go a long way with traffic court judges. | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 144 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks Mark- My parents will be definitely be going, and he won't be driving for a while no matter what happens in court. When he can drive, he'll probably get a much slower car than before. Hmm, what kind of car is really slow? | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 172 Registered: 10-2002 |
Slow? Your parents should get him a corvette Z06. That should keep him out of trouble. Or maybet they can trade his T/A in for one of the new supercharged Cobra's. These are even slower than the Z06. Honestly, they can trade his T/A straigh across for a nice disco. It's pretty hard to drive fast in these pigs (although it can be done ). Since I got rid of the T/A and started driving the disco my life has been rather uneventful, at least on the street. I've done some great wheelin though. Dan | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 649 Registered: 10-2002 |
I would imagine that a insurance company might also frown on a 16 yr old driving a 4x4. Might acutally want to use it, and make bad decisions, ya' know, like making it a submarine... | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 459 Registered: 09-2002 |
Golf cart. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 173 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, insuring a disco is cheaper than insuring a t/a. I'm an insurance agent. Dan | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 651 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dan - I would hope a disco is cheaper than a T/A! However, Is a 2WD Cherokee cheaper to insure than a 4WD for a young person (Same year, model, etc)? I was always under the impression that insurance companies put a higher premium on 4WD vehicles, with the thought that they might be used off road. | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 145 Registered: 04-2003 |
The thing about discos is that its' like gambling to find one with no problems | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dan, I am very sorry to hear that your brother has lost the use of his legs. I'm sure that lots of people would help push him in his wheelchair since he obviously can't fucking walk anywhere. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1496 Registered: 02-2002 |
Having been arrested three times in 62 days I can tell you that the law does not like repeat offenders. You think high risk is bad, try "Assigned Risk" insurance. $2606 for a Chevette, liability only, and this was in 1984. At the last trial, the judge told me to go to summer school and live on campus so I didn't have to drive. Two months later, I ran a stop light and got hit. As I was a probationary habitual traffic offender and had been promised six months in jail for my next moving violation, I instantly began crying though the blood from a cut to my forehead. The cop told me he couldn't cite me, given it was Friday afternoon and I'd all but totalled the Chevette, took my license and said yup, you got one and sent me home. Had he run my license, the record would have come up and I would have gone back to jail for a far longer period of time. At the time, my mother owned a trucking company and sent me to one of her professional driver improvement courses. I had the worst record of the bunch, and they were truck drivers with millions of miles driven. At one point, they had a blown-up copy of a state DMV record-guess whose it was? My mother's partner had gotten a copy of MY DMV record and used it to show the rest of the class how things showed up on your license. I believe that the only violation I did not have was causing death by vehicular homicide. Your brother is gonna get screwed, get him a lawyer. Peace, Paul | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 174 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, I'll get out the price symbols book and compare. Our price symbols work on a scale of 1 to 27. 1 is a early 90's ford taursu. 27 is a 2003 acura nsx-t. Most companies have a comparable scale. Lets look at 1998 sport utilities. 1998 Jeep Cherokee SE 4dr 6cyl 2by4 = 10 1998 Jeep Cherokee SE 4dr 6cyl 4by4 = 12 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 8cyl 2by4 = 15 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 8cyl 4by4 = 16 As you can see the difrence between 2wd and 4wd is pretty small. 1998 Land Rover Disco LE = 20 Ouch, this is what I have. 1998 Pontiac T/A hatchback = 21h 1998 Pontiac T/A convertible = 24h h stands for high performance, this is a big surcharge, $10-$25 per month or even more. Any questions? Dan, for a newer T/A he may be able to trade that in for a DII that is still under warrenty. Fix any problems before warrenty runs out, should be reliable after that. My disco I is at least as reliable as either of my T/A's ever were, probably more so. Dan | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 146 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks Dan-I'm sure if he has to, he can find a good DII. Probably better off selling the t/a by owner rather than get scammed from dealers. The thing that i'm wondering is if the judge will see he has a clean driving record before this 3 simultaneous ticket incident, and wipe one of the tickets off so he doesn't get his liscense revoked. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2002 |
In oregon, you have to get 4 tickets within a 24 month period before you get your license suspended. Even then it's only a 1 month suspension. Every state is diffrent. If you think about it a disco isnt that bad of a car for a 16 year old kid. Its slow and if he crashes it he will be in a very safe vehicle. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 747 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dan, it would be real hard for him to get a speeding ticket in a 109 Series II. Rolling through stop signs is a different problem | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here's the trick guys! convert your trucks to 4.6L and supercharge and if you want to be really radical a nice nitrous addition. Not many judges would believe a disco beat a T/A. |
