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     Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2002 |
I took my Disco for a swim in a mudhole that was a little deeper than expected and had water come under the doors and into the interior. I lost all traction to the front wheels (rears spinning only) and eventually stalled but restarted and ran twice. The third time it would not turn over. I have full power (all lights on dash come on when key is turned and everything electrical works) but it will not turn over. I winched her out but only get a few relays clicking when trying to turn over. I don't think the water was deep enough to reach the ECU so I think I may have grounded out the starter? I towed her home and cleaned everything underneath and let it dry overnight and it barely turned over for a split second this morning then continued the usual silence with an occasional click. Any ideas? Can I check the codes without it running ('96, OBD II)? | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 105 Registered: 02-2003 |
That is turns over or tries may indicate that you didn't hydrolock your engine. Pull the ECU open and dry it asap | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 248 Registered: 10-2002 |
The starter will not do anything, no whine or chattering (like when the battery is low). I've tried getting under it to test the terminals to see if power is actually getting to the starter but it is nearly impossible to get to. I haven't removed the small heatshield though. The only way it could get hydrolocked is if the water is above and below the pistons and prohibit them from moving at all correct? The only way water could have gotten to the engine was through the exhaust but the water level was below the exhaust manifolds and way below the stock airbox/intake with a K&N filter. | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 153 Registered: 10-2002 |
If you drove into the mudhole with momemtum I bet your fan sprayed water over your engine, perhaps even jammed them into the radiator. Check your fan and at the same time see if you can turn the motor over by pulling on the belt. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jamming what into the radiator? | ||
| Todd Phenneger (Toddp) Member Username: Toddp Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2002 |
ya Know, THEM! The Ubiquitous "THEM". | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 845 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yes Them...............be afraid, be very, very afraid | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2091 Registered: 10-2001 |
or a nice gulp of water through the intake. not that hard to do. | ||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 289 Registered: 08-2002 |
Jason to answer your hydro lock question...water on top of the piston will lock it and it doesn't need be all that much. Water below the piston will not hydro lock it...but it will do other bad things if not drained out of your ccase in a timely fashion. It wouldn't hurt to pull all your plugs out and spin the motor a few revs...cheap insurance. I took on just enough H2O to bend a connecting rod, cook a bearing, and score my crank once. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Senior Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 251 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wouldn't I be able to tell if there is water in there by checking the oil? (milky/cloudy, etc.) | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2002 |
This happened to me, exactly. You can probably use a remote starter to get it started. I had to bypass something on the starter but LR did it and I can't remember what they did....the receipt says "No ground to starter relay (that's the clicking) Reconnected exciter wire to starter, this is a bypass" Maybe that will help but it is Chinese to me. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 177 Registered: 10-2002 |
Beat the hell out a that damn dog untill she learns to swim like a duck. Bad dog! | ||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 291 Registered: 08-2002 |
jason, maybe yes maybe no. If you let it sit overnight and its had a gulp of water thats settled itself in the ccase...the old addage will return. Oil and water don't mix. Open your sump oil drain slowly and if H2O is in there it'll become most obvious. And in a freshly run motor...you are correct, if there is water in the mix you will see it as baby puke in the valve covers or a greyish emulsion on the dip stick. since it sounds like you've had it sitting a bit since the dunking, see what flows from sump drain. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Senior Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 253 Registered: 10-2002 |
I tried beating her but she still wouldn't work so I jumped it with a screwdriver to see what it was doing. I can see the bendix (or something?) move but the starter still does not turn over at all. I'm gonna run a wire and switch to the battery tomorrow to bypass everything and see if I can get it to work at all. I'd just pull the starter off but I can't get the damn heat shield off without pulling the header therefore I can't get the top bolt and the driveshaft and anti-sway bar is prohibiting me from getting the bottom mount bolt off. I'm just going to try and cut an alan/hex wrench tomorrow so I can fit it onto a socket and hopefully get it off without taking the entire vehicle apart. How do you get the 3 little screws holding the heat shield off? OR Could I be looking in the wrong place entirely....say, something involving the alarm got wet and the start disable is engaged? Does this sound possible? I took out all the interior panels and checked all the relays and electronics I could see and everything appeared ok. The reciever box for the keyless entry had a little water on the outside (I think from when I was cleaning) so I took it out but it was ok and still works fine. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2003 |
Show pics! It you were not mirror deep (inside mirror that is), you were not swimming!  | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Senior Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2002 |
UPDATE: I removed the small round plate in the bottom of the bell housing and had 1-1.5" of sludge/silt in there with the torque converter and flywheel. After draining that out it barely turned over once. I then removed the bottom mount bolt off the starter and pushed on it a couple times and had a little water come out between it and the bell housing. Then she started up, ran a little rough, blew out a little water and smoked for about 5 minutes (steam, like the beginning of a blown head gasket) It would die if I just let it idle so I wedged an alan wrench on the idler control thing and every few minutes I would put a smaller wrench in until it was idling normally. While running I sprayed water up onto the torque converter to clean out all the slush in the bell housing. I'm letting it cool now so I can put the heat shield and bell housing plate back on and make sure everything is tight so she should be running good enough to take her back to that mud hole to see if I can make it through this time... JK | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Senior Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 266 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ok, the Disco runs like shit. I believe the exhaust is clogged because the person driving behind me said I was spitting out "liquid sparks" ...She said whatever was coming out was really hot and melted. I think the mud and slush that did get in the exhaust is clogging either the muffler or cats because I have very little power at times yet sometimes it will rev and idle ok. When its not running right it sounds like someone has their shoe obstructing the exhaust coming out. I did blow out alot of water and nasty stuff when it first started this afternoon since the swim so I was thinking maybe there is some sludge crap left in there that has dried. I'm trying to figure out the best way to clean it out. Its pretty hard to clean out the catalytic converters so i'll prolly end up having to replace them. I checked out Jegs and Summit Racing (yes, redneck race shit) and they sell high flow cats for about $100 or so. What complications have people run across when replacing the cats with a straight pipe? Does the sensors send a signal that makes the computer freak out and cause the dash to light up like a christmas tree? It can't possibly run any worse than it is now so I'll try just about anything. I just need a quick fix and I am just about positive this is the problem. | ||
| Chris Brennan (Cdmbrennan) Member Username: Cdmbrennan Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2003 |
As simple as it sounds, you might try running some Seafoam through before you go for the new cats. I swam a bit ago and was blowing "liquid sparks" (I like that descrip) - ran about half a can of Seafoam through and idle returned to normal. If it works, it would be about the quickest, most affordable fix and I haven't heard anything negative about Seafoam, so it might be worth a try. -Chris |
