| Author | Message | ||
     D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 245 Registered: 02-2003 |
I got my new bumper welded up and almost ready for the sandblasting and powdercoating. Here is how it turned out.    | ||
| Britt Easterly (Britt) Member Username: Britt Post Number: 54 Registered: 09-2002 |
I was just about to ask about the hood when I saw the last pic. Looks like you can invade a small country with that bad boy. | ||
| Will Roeder (Will_roeder) Senior Member Username: Will_roeder Post Number: 634 Registered: 02-2002 |
one question : WHY? are u trying to make it look like a H1? poor disco... | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 355 Registered: 02-2002 |
Maybe I've been watching too much baseball, but that looks like a catcher's mask. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 782 Registered: 02-2002 |
interesting, now lets take it out and give it the moose test. mike w | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 516 Registered: 06-2002 |
Good god, that's a bull bar if I have ever seen one. Seems like it would make it hard to work under the hood. Does it come off or just roll forward? What was you reasoning for making it that way, out of curiosity. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 246 Registered: 02-2003 |
When I had the H1 I always liked the brush guard that was on it. I had the one that tied into the D rings on the hood. Alot of the better trails around where I live are tight with trees. This guard is not going to move when I am having to nudge a tree to make a turn. The bar folds foward by removing two ball lock pins, and can be taken off by removing two bolts. The whole thing is a little big, but it gives me more ground clearence than anyother bumper I have seen, and more protecton on the front corners. I will be able to mount my Hi-Lift jack to the top bar over the hood and get it out of the way from hitting anything. It also gives me a place to mount the limb Risers to the bar and then back to the factory roof rack (not an aftermarket rack) if I ever wanted too. Some people may say its too big, other may think it ugly, but it does its job protecting the raditor, fenders, lights, transmission coolier lines, hood, etc... It took about 13 hours total to think up and make and about 100.00 in materals (plus welding gas and wire, grinding wheels, sawsall blades,etc...) and then its going to cost about another 100.00 to sandblast and powdercoat (by a friend). | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 853 Registered: 02-2002 |
That is bad ass, simply bad ass. Did you make it to where you can add a winch? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 247 Registered: 02-2003 |
I will have to cut out part of the grill to fit a winch, but yes a winch will be going on as soon as it is complete. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 398 Registered: 11-2002 |
That looks pretty awsome, the first time i looked at it i didn't like it, but the more i see it it is awsome!!! Nice job! Marcel | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 378 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Alot of the better trails around where I live are tight with trees. This guard is not going to move when I am having to nudge a tree to make a turn." Tread Lightly! Looks different. That I like. Don't know if it's for me, but sure is unique. Looks like fun. Good image for that person going 40 in the passing lane to look in their rear view and see! | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2002 |
Not to be be negative, but next we will see a snow plow, or why not one of the guards on the front of old trains for clearing the tracks. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 248 Registered: 02-2003 |
That would KILL my ground clearence. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1247 Registered: 04-2002 |
Take the third tier off the top of that brush bar, and then I'll say cool. Just looks too bulky to me. The work looks nice, from what I can see in the small pictures, but the over all asthetics of it don't suit my taste. Congratulations though, and am glad you like the finished product.  | ||
| Will Bobbitt (Rkores) Senior Member Username: Rkores Post Number: 293 Registered: 09-2002 |
It looks pretty wild. How much does it weigh? Will | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 252 Registered: 02-2003 |
I don't know the overall weight, but it made my susp. sag 1". | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2003 |
http://www.wolverinesports.com/WOLV/BS212P.JPG | ||
| Swamp Pappy (Swamp_pappy) New Member Username: Swamp_pappy Post Number: 25 Registered: 05-2003 |
Chapman: I like it - damn nice. If folks don't like it or have nothing nice to say; they should just keep their trap shut. Their parents didn't teach them any manners. Again, very nice Chapman. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 253 Registered: 02-2003 |
It really does not matter what people think, it does it's job. It is Big and it is not as nice as other bumpers and guards, but it does what I wanted it for. More ground clearence, better approch angle, better protection, and I bet it is stronger that most other bumpers. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 340 Registered: 02-2003 |
good god... the horror | ||
| John (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 106 Registered: 08-2002 |
Kudos to you! I think you should get a adventure rack and weld extensions from the brushbar to the rack. Then live on nothing but crackers and constently say "Polly wants some mud, rauck". LOL But seriously, I admire the hard work that went into that build. And I'd love to have that thing on the front of my truck while merging at the lincoln tunnel at rush hour! Don't let people's criticisms get you down. Nice job. | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 275 Registered: 02-2002 |
is the top bar crooked or is it just the picture?? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 254 Registered: 02-2003 |
The top bar is not perfect, but it is better than it looks in the picture. I think the rusted metal runnung into the grinded metal makes it look worse than it is. Depending on witch way you look at it there is a little hump there. Im sure after a few trail runs there will be a few more humps in it too | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2002 |
Could someone please make that stop?!?!?!?!? Batter up!!! Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 786 Registered: 02-2002 |
hmmmmmmmm, ok, D. does your bumper appear in the window section of our beloved D Webb? mike w | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2002 |
It wont fit out the window!!!!!! Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 787 Registered: 02-2002 |
it is a rather massive thing.... i wonder what Dr. Freud would say. mike w | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 90 Registered: 03-2003 |
Man, forget Dr. Freud. I think Dr. Lecter should be consulted on this one: http://www.movieforum.com/movies/titles/reddragon/images/hannibalmask.jpg | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 788 Registered: 02-2002 |
i once enjoyed a j@@p with some soup beans and a fine bottle of Boone's Farm mike w | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 183 Registered: 10-2002 |
D., why stop there. Make something similar for the back bumper and then work on conecting the two. It'll be great, you could just drive around and bash stuff and break things. When was the last time anyone saw a disco with a full exo-cage? D. has the front end done, now for the rest. As long as D. likes it..... Dan | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think I saw that bullbar on "The Road Warrior" last night... You still need some angle iron and spikes hanging off the front though... | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2003 |
Man you guys are harsh Do I sense some bumper envy going on????????? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 255 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think so Kevin. I took the Disco out to a friends house tonight and pushed his Toyota around his gravel driveway. The bumper did not budge! You should see the people stop a stare at me as I drive by. It is classic. I passed a guy today in a 110 I have never seen before. He looked amazed. Once I get it powdercoated I think it will blend in alot better. As for the rear bumper, it's next. It will be a wrap around too. I will start on it just as soon as I get my new shocks on. I ordered my brake lines today from John at rovertym. I made my own spring retainers the other day. Doing it my self only cost about 30 minutes in time. Showes what the mark up is. I will be fitting N76 OME shocks. Should be fun. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 91 Registered: 03-2003 |
Of course no Disco would be complete without those spiked wheels that Masala had in Ben Hur: http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/ben-hur-race.jpg | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2002 |
http://www.max.org click on "max", then click on "max2", then click on "The Evil-part II" and watch the java slideshow See what I mean? | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 358 Registered: 02-2002 |
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| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 501 Registered: 04-2002 |
ROTFLMAO, now that is actually pretty funny. Poor disco... | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 345 Registered: 02-2003 |
LOL !!!! rd | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2003 |
that is fucking hilarious | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yep, that's right D. You're right on as usual. We all envy your new bumper so much that we have to make fun of it to hide our envy. I think Craig's pic pretty much says it all. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 261 Registered: 02-2003 |
I still dont see anything wrong with the bumper. It does what I built it for. If you think it looks like a catchers mask so what. I could really care less about the way my truck looks. It's for wheeling. It has dents, scratches, and broken shit all over it. All this bumper does is save me money. Headlights are what 130.00 new, raditor is like 600.00... Not everybody is going to like it but there are some who do. Judging by the number of emails I have gotten over the last two days I think alot of people like it. I just wish I had the time and place to make a few more of them for these people. Why have abumper that does this:    And has ground clearence like this:  | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 159 Registered: 02-2003 |
I have to say, at least it's more functional than this: http://www.d-90.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=46&post=4104#POST4104 | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 348 Registered: 02-2003 |
d, nothing wrong with making something functional. it's just that you welded it together without giving a shit if it's level, symmetrical etc. and your truck is stock so it looks even more ridiculous. shit like that on some rock crawling buggy can look cool cause you know it will be needed. not to mention posting on a notoriously harsh BBS with lots of opinionated people, what did you expect? sure not a dick sucking from everyone... art that d-90 thing was as lovely. not as homemade looking as this bumper and brad's rack but equally humiliating for the vehicle. rd | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 262 Registered: 02-2003 |
"and your truck is stock so it looks even more ridiculous." How do you figure my truck is stock? Whats not symmetrical? The top bar is not perfect but I can fix that with a big hammer and heat. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL. D, I thought you couldn't care less what your truck looked like. Now you're worried that Rob thinks your bumper is uneven? Yeah, take that hammer and "fix" that bumper right up. A few heavy pounds with that hammer should do it. Certainly couldn't hurt anything. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 349 Registered: 02-2003 |
d, looks stock is stock, semantics, i don't care. if you are happy with it then i am happy for you, what the hell do i care if your bumper is goofy looking, i'm just stating an opinion that was asked for. i just think this type of bumper is more naturall looking on trailer queen type vehicles. maybe the resolution is messing with it and it is the apple of my eye. who knows rd | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 61 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yes, looks stock = stock. That's part of the fun with clever, subtle modifications that increase your rig's capability without showing all your cards. A bumper like that one says, "move over, big dawg in town." You've essentially eliminated any approach to your engine from the front for maintenance. Too bad because the hood opens to the front. Sure, removing two bolts will pull the face mask off, but why unbolt things just to check your power steering fluid? A big old roof rack would help even out the proportions a bit. So would wheel spacers & bigger tires. And a winch and lights up front. I imagine your rear bumper with lots of tubing will balance it out too. Also, the powder blue (or is it silver?) color doesn't scream "mad-max monster rock crawler" like the bumper does. Maybe that's the biggest contrast you have going on there... | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 63 Registered: 04-2003 |
that bumper looks more appropriate for this beastly rig:  | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 263 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think the picture makes the bumper apper to stick out farther than it really does. Checking over the engine is not a problem, but I am also 6'3" so maybe I can reach a little farther than some people. When I had my Toyota I had to have a step ladder (or stand on the tire) to check the oil, so this is not bad. Roof rack don't make much sence to me. Sure you can store alot of things up there, and they are very nice to have for that, but out on the trail it just seems that they would get beat all to hell. My rain gutters are smached in some places, if there were a 800.00+ roof rack up there it would be crushed. Off road lights really don't matter to me either. They get bumped, banged, bent, and I would not use them hardley at all. Some sort of high wattage rear back up light would be nice but headlights do fine for me all most all of the time. Bigger tires would be nice. I plan on going to a 35" byas ply tire for off road with a better off-set rim soon. For now the 33's are doing fine. I will be putting a winch on as soon as the bumper is done. There is a place for the winch on the bumper, but you really cannot see it because of the picture. The rear bumper will look something likr this  The color of my truck is silver, I don't think I would ever drive a poweder blue anything. It's not a hard core rock crawler, but I am also not affraid to try anything once. I have gotten the disco thru many spots where others, including myself, did not think the truck would go. You people still have to keep in mind this truck is new to me for wheeling. I had this for a daily driver for a long time before I sold the toyota, and gave up on the Hummer. The disco is a neat truck, and will do alot of things very well. I do miss the bigger tires, and bigger trails, but the disco is a good overall truck. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 351 Registered: 02-2003 |
well then maybe your truck will grow into it's new bumper. best of luck with your trail beast. rd | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 65 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yes, you will be amazed at where a relatively stock Disco can go. Not just impressed, truly amazed. What do you have going on there with the fender treatment? D2 flares? Looks good from what you can see up front. Any more pics (brighter/clearer) of the lower bumper? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 265 Registered: 02-2003 |
Up front I have the D2 flares. That was before when I gave a rats ass about what the truck looked like.  I have not done the rear and don't know if I will. I have the flares. I got them off of a wrecked D2 for 50.00. I cut some of the rear side panel already but never cut the doors.  The lower bumper is coming along with time. I don't have much time now to wotk on the thing but this is what I have so far.    Once I get set up in my new house things will come along a little faster. Half of my tools are in storage right now and I have to work on this thing at a friends house. | ||
| Swamp Pappy (Swamp_pappy) New Member Username: Swamp_pappy Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2003 |
D. Chapman: I reckon most of these guys are just messin with ya. Don't take it none - I'd throw it on my K5 - I like homemade stuff. It does the job! I figure all the lattes and extra expensive coffee has made some folks down right arrogant. Oh well, they love running up that keyboard and talking mess, so let 'em keep rambling. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 281 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes swamp pappy , PLEASE put that on your "K-5". I dont think anyone here questions the affectiveness of the thing. or they havnt yet anyway. They are simply telling you that it looks like shit made out of scrap which is exactly what it is. I wouldnt be hard on the boys for being accurate... Take the size of the tubing down some and get the radius on those bends a bit tighter , then you might want to make the thing match like one single line on the truck. THen you might have some Mojo working... Now its just looking cheesy and ugly.. And as for the people mailing you about it ? Well thats the infection that has hit this BBS when the Disco owners became younger and cheaper. They all want some cheap ass thrown together creation to give them some instant coolness factor without spening all of the allowance cash they get every week. So throw on some Chicken wire and strap on the mask , invite pappy over and have a good ole hacking party on the poor little Disco. You are still gonna catch some heat here for it Its the nature of the beast. Oh and I think you live in VA ? What trails are so nasty that they completely destroy your truck ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| _JC_ (_jc_) New Member Username: _jc_ Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2003 |
D, I like the bumper man, I think you've gotta cool idea going, you may wanna do a little refining with some of your fab, but I think it's a cool idea, and can't wait to see the finished product. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 514 Registered: 04-2002 |
I wonder how much it would cost for you to ship that thing to Portugal?? http://www.discoweb.org/simonfranco/simon_05.jpg | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 268 Registered: 02-2003 |
So what you are saying Kyle, is that you did not build your truck, you put it together? I see you built your bumper but what did you use? Lets see and stock brush guard from a diso. Lot of work went there. I bet that works real well too. Being that I have owned a a pipe bender for less than a week I think the bending does not look to bad. But really I don't care. I made it. I did not buy it. I am building my truck. If I wanted a badass truck out of the box I could have done that. If I wanted to buy a bumper I could have but why. Besides Rovertym, all I have seen is junk. You people are to worried about what other people think. Why dont you get up and do something no one else has? As far as badass trails in VA there are many. Just because we don't have many "off-road parks" like Paragon, or Windrock, there are some very challanging trails here.   Then Paragon is 3 hours one way, Bigdogs, is only 1 hours from me, I have not been to MAR, but it is less than 1 hour away. Then there is a ton of privte land here. Lots of limestone around here sticking out of the ground too. Not to mention GWNF was in my back yard. If you know where to go you can find some good stuff. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 791 Registered: 02-2002 |
homemade is not a bad thing, but like all things the first run is not always the best. D. has an intersting idea, i like his thought process but it could use a bit of work. take this as a lesson and give it another go. this time write it down before you light the torch. Blow me is right the front grill guard you built can use some refining. and as far as east coast off roading yes its great but having lived in the southwest those deserts, well take a vacation and spend some nights under those skies. imho mike w | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 271 Registered: 02-2003 |
I would love to get out to the West sometime. I am thinking of getting a 4 door Duramax, and a gooseneck trailer to haul the disco (amoung otherthings) so maybe I will get out there then. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 792 Registered: 02-2002 |
WHAT and miss out on the adventure of getting there. finish your project and drive that damn Disco there! mike w | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 414 Registered: 11-2002 |
Can I get an Amen? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 272 Registered: 02-2003 |
It would be an adventure alright. I would not be concerned about the motor, it's the ride. At 70MPH my truck walks all over the place. I have to work the wheel like a Nascar driver. The bumper did settle down the front end a little though. LOL With 33's I cant pull hills like I a did before. Wonder what it will be like with 35's or 37's? | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2002 |
D- Maybe I''m missing something, but if you say you "don't give a rat's ass about how your truck looks" then why bother with body protection?? Just tear off the stock bumper to improve your approach angle and forget the protection. If you break a headlight just duct tape some cheapo 7" rounds in there. I still think you need a bunch of angle iron spikes welded on that thing and maybe some barbed wire wrapped around it. Add a mohawk, a sawed-off shotgun and I bet you'd be gettin' some respect!! | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 415 Registered: 11-2002 |
D just go for some 40s! | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 273 Registered: 02-2003 |
In VA we have car inspection. You have to pass inspection to drive on the road. You have to have lights, blinkers, brakes, good tires, good glass, and tail lights all in working order and properly installed. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 274 Registered: 02-2003 |
ummmmm 40's | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 418 Registered: 11-2002 |
D go bumperless like this kid: http://www.discoweb.org/thurmonddressen.htm And while you are at it, you could get rid of those annoying rear shocks! | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 275 Registered: 02-2003 |
I wonder how his truck handles at 70mph | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 421 Registered: 11-2002 |
i don't think it would actually reach that speed, i would hate to drive that thing! He might bounce like crazy! | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 251 Registered: 08-2002 |
But look at that flex...Shiznit thats dope. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 794 Registered: 02-2002 |
word..... mike w | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 57 Registered: 06-2002 |
Where have all the disco owners gone that want a classy off-roader. There is so much heritage to Land Rovers and it seems more often lately that people just want to make their rovers look like shit. Are people just becoming more cheap these days or are cheap people just able to get land rovers now? D, you're on crack if you think Kyle's bumpers are shitty and your's is better. So far, I think his bumpers are the best thing going. They are extremely strong, have great lines, give awesome approach angles, and to top all that off, you have several options as to the type of bar that get's mounted on top of it. How is that crappy? Why is it that people want to take a beautiful rover and turn it into a beater? And to answer your question about why would you go and buy one when you could just make one yourself? Well, do you make your own shoes? I don't. You know why I don't make my own shoes? Because they would look like shit. I have found that 90% of the people that make their own stuff do it because they can't afford to buy the stuff they really want. Once they're done, they need everyone to give them validation so they don't feel like a cheap bastard. Then, when people start bustin' their nuts about it, they get their feelings hurt and say they don't care what anyone else thinks. Just my observations. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 795 Registered: 02-2002 |
ouch! | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 276 Registered: 02-2003 |
Yea, thats it, I cant afford a bumper. Your right on the money there. I think its funny that people buy a $35,000 truck, dress it up with the "cool" non-funcitional looking stuff, go hit a few fire roads and think there have the best trail rig there is. You go ahead and buy all the stuff you want, then you will have a real one of a kind truck. A "classy off-roader" LOL. That called a Pavement Pounder. There are a few things that dont go together: RockCrawler/Daily Driver and Classy/OffRoader. Just because its a disco dont mean you cant do what YOU want to with it. After I got rid of my toyota rock crawler I wanted to try something new. Hummers suck. They are too wide, the motors suck, and the cost to keep the thing running will drain anybody pocket. My disco had stright axles and a small V8. Thats a good start on any trail truck. My truck will grow with time. I dont have alot of time right now to mess with it, but I will soon. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 354 Registered: 02-2003 |
d, talk smack once the thing has "grown", not before... as for the classy offroader it's about doing it with the best materials and best looks while maintaining the function. form follows function, your bumper just ends at function. the redneck rusted diamond plate close-up's say it all. oh and kyle does have a pipe bender. he and i made this the other weekend http://www.roversolutions.com/therack/ i call for a pepsi challenge "bend off" who is up for it? rd | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2002 |
Well D, You're right, you definately have a one-of-a-kind truck. I can't wait to see the hood of that one-of-a-kind truck when you bump one of those big bad rocks on one of those big bad trails you ride on. It will be interesting how you get that catcher's mask off when it gets pivoted down into the hood. Hey, but that's functional. Rob hit it right on the head when he said it was about form following function. You can make a very capable vehicle that can go just about anywhere you want it to without turning it into a "rockcrawler". Exactly what makes your truck a rockcrawler anyways? Is that just a term you use to label a truck when you've beat the hell out of it and all your homemade goodies have failed and are all rusted out? | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 59 Registered: 06-2002 |
Why am I trying to explain what a "classy offroader" is to a guy that wants a "rockcrawler disco" anyways? I hate it when one of these threads pulls me in. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 797 Registered: 02-2002 |
http://www.roversolutions.com/therack/ i am soooooo jealous! mike w | ||
| abby (Abby) Senior Member Username: Abby Post Number: 789 Registered: 05-2002 |
should have made that "Xtreem rock Krawler" | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rob- You(?) and Kyle made that rack?(By the way, I want one too!) Come on, let's be honest. I bet Kyle set that thing in the jig, did all the welding, and you stood back with a beer and annoyed him with tales of "Garlic Bread" while he's yelling at you to shut up... Admit it, that's what really happened, huh?? | ||
| Swamp Pappy (Swamp_pappy) New Member Username: Swamp_pappy Post Number: 30 Registered: 05-2003 |
D. Chapman: Forget everything I said, I liked your grill and was ready to defend it up until you gone and said Hummers suck. That's blasphemy to a God-fearin' American like me. Shit, ya might as well hate apple pie and baseball while you're at it. True enough - Hummers will drain your wallet fast enough and odds are that I'll never own one on my blue collar salary, but I sure like them on account they can do many things well - not all - but many [fording, hill climbing, clearing obstacles]. Don't hate American products it's down right no good for our country. Land Rover is owned by Ford so I got no issues and I don't care much for brand squabbling anyhow. Hummers suck - don't sound like a jealous little school girl; you're a decent enough guy, so no need for you to lower yourself. What country yuo honor? Come on boys - respect the USA while you still can. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 355 Registered: 02-2003 |
well let me first state that the term "jig" is no longer socially acceptable. this rack was all freehand, no fixture was used. as it was the first rack built. there are changes to be made and then maybe making a "jig" would be worthwile. bug kyle that you want one, they are on his site so he must be making some. as for who built you should have seen what kyle wanted to butcher it into. rd | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 607 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'm your friend but since you said something not nice... I don't want to be your friend anymore....  Glenn Let's see if this one beats the spyshots thread... | ||
| Swamp Pappy (Swamp_pappy) New Member Username: Swamp_pappy Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2003 |
I knew a fella named Guinto or I think it was more like Quinto. It was his nickname, cause he come and settled here and we couldn't pronounce his real name. Helluva nice guy too. | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 609 Registered: 02-2002 |
where abouts pappy? | ||
| Swamp Pappy (Swamp_pappy) New Member Username: Swamp_pappy Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2003 |
Crowley - Southern LA. You down South too? This forum doesn't have the cities showing where we're from. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 68 Registered: 04-2003 |
I like the shoe analogy. "Now let me ask you a question, Jules. When you drove in here, did you notice a sign out front that said, 'Ugly-ass bumper manufacturing'?" "Jimmie..." "Answer the question. Did you see a sign out in front of my house that said, 'Ugly-ass bumper manufacturing'?" "Naw man, I didn't." "You know why you didn't see that sign?" "Why?" "'Cause manufacturing ugly-ass bumpers ain't my fuckin' business!" | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2205 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob, I'm still waiting on the donuts from the Krispy Kreme challenge.... -L | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 144 Registered: 09-2002 |
D.Chapman, please! If you don't take any of the comments here seriously. Please consider replacing or just removing those J@@P hooks you have on there. If you have any plans to get pulled out of something with those, your risking the safety of anyone around your truck and the safety of the other vehicle. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 356 Registered: 02-2003 |
les, did i promise those too ?? lol, oops. rd | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2002 |
David is right, I noticed those too. Those things gotta go. I can see one of them right not at the end of a yellow strap flying through the back glass of the truck thats pulling D. off a rock. It would sting to take one of those hooks in the back of the head. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 278 Registered: 02-2003 |
Those are not the cheaper hooks likr you find at Advance Auto. those hooks cam from the Case heavy equp. dealer. They are rated at 25,000lb comparied to the 10,000lb like the ones at advance. They are welded on and not bolted. There not going anywere. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 357 Registered: 02-2003 |
blue, that's all you had to say. | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 253 Registered: 08-2002 |
You have to make a complete exo-skeleton to make the bar look good. My 2cents. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2003 |
D, those recovery hooks make your truck as ugly as a warthog: http://www.calacademy.org/science_now/images/warthog.jpg Add the catcher's mask on top of that and you have a warthog wearing a catcher's mask. And since you're Mr. Real Deal Only and purportedly so into function over mere appearance, you might get some real front recovery points, ones that close and don't let the strap or hook fall off during a recovery. You might also get a winch for your attacking the rock trips. A winch will help you a lot more than that cheeseball body lift you have. I think Greg Bright summed it up best with his shoe analogy and his comment about your feelings getting hurt. You can do what all losers do and feign indifference to others' opinions, but you are obviously agitated and upset that people are calling your bumper a POS and calling you a cheap fuck. Also, if you don't give a damn what others think, why did you even post the pics of your bumper in the first place? Of course you care. I also find it interesting that you say everything but Rovertym is a POS. That is hilarious, especially coming from the creator of the Hannibal Lecter Bumper. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2003 |
Damn you guys post fast. D, if you knew anything (you don't), you would know that proper recovery points are bolted on, not welded on. What a moron. At least you didn't hammer them on. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 70 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL....John Lee....the Discoweb Foreign Ambassador to all cheap fucks | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 145 Registered: 09-2002 |
D., it's not the strength of the hooks themselves. Having a 25K pound hook on a 2 cent weld and above the frame on a bull bar that rotates is already asking for trouble. But that's not my point. Any open hook design is flawed. That is why for any load bearing application, people use shackles, or other closed load bearing devices. Granted, open hooks on winch lines are standard, but for those who don't replace them, they know enough to point the backbone of the hook towards the ground. Where would you attach someone's winch hook? Or a kinetic pull strap? | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 279 Registered: 02-2003 |
"if you don't give a damn what others think, why did you even post the pics of your bumper in the first place?" A few days ago somwhere on this BBS someone asked how the bumper was coming. I posted a drawing and then when I got the bumper welded up I posted a picture. "if you knew anything (you don't), you would know that proper recovery points are bolted on, not welded on." I guess this is why they are called "Weld On Hooks" I never said that anything buy Rovertym is junk. They just make good stuff. "You might also get a winch for your attacking the rock trips." I have a winch to go on, and if you read the post you would have saw that. I have not drilled the holes for it yet because I may be getting a little bigger winch. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2003 |
Who was it that made that ungainly rear bumper for their D2? Greg somebody (having trouble keeping the Gregs straight)? That rear bumper was extremely well crafted...beautiful bends, nice welds, functional, nice finish, etc...but the owner, designer, and builder simply thought that it didn't look right. That big rear tire looked odd because it sat so high and hung off the rear so far. So back to the drawing board for the new & improved version. I think everyone can respect someone who makes their own stuff, but true respect is owed to those who make it look good too. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2003 |
"I guess this is why they are called "Weld On Hooks" As I said before, a proper recovery point is bolted on, not welded on. Your "Weld On Hooks" are not proper recovery points. If you knew anything, you would know this. "I never said that anything buy [sic] Rovertym is junk. They just make good stuff." Here are your words: "Besides Rovertym, all I have seen is junk." "I have a winch to go on, and if you read the post you would have saw that. I have not drilled the holes for it yet because I may be getting a little bigger winch." Yeah, I read that bit about how your winch is "coming soon". My point in mentioning your lack of a winch was that if you're such a hardcore wheeler as you claim, you would place more of a premium on having a winch instead of your Catcher's Mask or the body lift. You have both the Catcher's Mask and the body lift, yet you have no winch. In other words, you have the fluff but you don't have the real deal gear. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 280 Registered: 02-2003 |
"Having a 25K pound hook on a 2 cent weld and above the frame on a bull bar that rotates is already asking for trouble." I dont think you understand how the bumper works. Where the hooks are the bumper is stationary. It does not pivot there. They are welded to a plate that is bolted to the frame. As far as a 2 cent weld, well, I have been welding for a while now. That weld is not going anywhere. | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 284 Registered: 02-2002 |
so really they are welded bolted tow hooks?? even better | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 146 Registered: 09-2002 |
Again, D., your missing the point. Your right, I don't understand the design of the booty fabulous hummer bar you have going. Let me convert this: The hooks are WRONG! BAD! STUPID! They are dangerous. Get it? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2003 |
Dave, they're more than that. They're hideously ugly as well. | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 147 Registered: 09-2002 |
Agreed John. I felt that the overall ugliness of the "package", was adequately covered and didn't want to jump into that aspect of the discussion. Nevertheless, it's obvious that D. doesn't understand the dynamics involved when it comes to basic recovery points and the safety of those who may rely upon what's on your truck. | ||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 294 Registered: 08-2002 |
Let the pipe bending wars begin  | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) New Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
Arrite guys, now we might have to agree that in this situation, he'd be less likely to collect fender damage than the other players... http://land-rover.team.net/polo-field.mov | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2002 |
Let's see, it's day 4 and the tread has made it to over 100 posts. So far most posts have stayed on the subject of "THE BUMPER" itself. Now if John starts to talk about the his favorite watches and Carter starts to flame those damned mexican giutars we may have some hope of reaching 600 posts. Long live the bumper thread Dan | ||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 122 Registered: 02-2002 |
Cripes. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2003 |
Wristwatches? OMEGA even made a watch specifically for D: http://www.omegawatches.com/lux-example/img/communs/museum/mu_col_1916_view.jpg | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 148 Registered: 09-2002 |
Wow. Now that gave me a good laugh. Did they call it Omega Master Booty Fabulous? Or is that the Omega Booty Fabulous - Professional? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2003 |
That's the OMEGA Catchermaster. Style authorities around the world say that watch goes perfectly with a catcher's mit and Catcher's Mask Bumper. | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 149 Registered: 09-2002 |
Aha! Good stuff John. | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2003 |
That was damn funny John. Just sitting back and reading this. Stacey | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2002 |
Guys look, Rockcrawlers don't need winches or good recovery points. They don't need strong bumpers with simple, classy designs. As D pointed out to us earlier, that is what us "Pavement Pounders" use when we drive on our fireroads. All they need is hood protection and rusty diamond plate. You throw in a couple welded on tow hooks and you got yourself a "rockcrawler", a bonafied D certified "trail rig". Cheap Bastard | ||
| Joey Shreve (Joey4420) New Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hey, I was told to check here about good Cup holders for a '97 Disco, any ideas. Or can someone make a set | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 857 Registered: 02-2002 |
That line from Pulp Fiction can be used to solve most all of lifes problems. Nice Blue | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 361 Registered: 02-2003 |
would you like the cup holders to complement the inside of your car or are you going for pure function? if it's pure function i suggest getting some lag screws and securing some treated lumber in a triangle around your favorite mug. | ||
| Joey Shreve (Joey4420) New Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2003 |
ROLF I like that about the treated lumber. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2003 |
Why even go that far Rob? Just take a fucking hole saw and cut a hole into the dash. Bam. Done. | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) New Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2003 |
Not a bad idea John. Except you and I have no dash board. ;) | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, but we have 97 D90's. Just cut through the empty spaces on the center console. You can even make the holes extra large for those 44 oz. Big Gulps. Oh, but don't fuck up your truck though. Make sure you finish the rough edges on the holes with 220 sandpaper and then finish off with 400 and then 600. Gotta keep the truck looking good and like a true rockcrawler. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2002 |
Joey I told you that you'll get some good responses here. I'd go with that treated lumber idea. Forget what it looks like, who cares, i bet it'll hold your coffee cup. Dan | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 485 Registered: 05-2002 |
D, You are getting some harsh treatment here, but you kinda asked for it. Let me step in and help: Never ever weld an item to something that is bolted and then pull on it. That is just silly. You have a 25K tow hook that I bet will not withstand 2K of pull. Go get this: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/DCP_1106.jpg Other than that I will bet that you learned a lot while making the bumper. It looks pretty bad to my eyes, but it IS your rig. You can paint purple cow pies on the hood for all I care. Still, I give you credit for going out and making something different. I have been wanting to craft my own bumper for years, but simply do not have the time. Greg Davis hammered out a space-ship looking bumper a few years ago before he crafted something really cool last year. I guess my point is that your experience from this bumper may lead to something workable someday. Curtis | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 150 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL.. For the love of god.... Between "CatcherMaster Bumper", "Cup Holders", and "Convince me I need an LR, but I'm really a JACKASS", I feel like our own planet, nay, our own country has been invaded by idiots. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 486 Registered: 05-2002 |
Ah - here is Greg D's first bumper: http://www.discoweb.org/gregdavis/slider.jpg Not quite as "over the top" as yours, but the point still stands because here is what he made later: http://www.discoweb.org/gregdavis/frontbumper3.jpg | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 283 Registered: 11-2002 |
What I find so interesting is that D posted pic of OTHER trucks on some rocks somewhere. Not his....LOL D , just because you might carry those pic in the glove box of your truck doesnt really mean that you can claim you ran the trails. I ask again , what triails you running ? And yeah , we been to the Cove last year I think ? Or the year before? Cant recall exactly other then we had a real nice conversation one morning that was caught on tape about planes flying into shit and violence.. Huh Rob ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 284 Registered: 11-2002 |
And Rob , shuttup ! I hardly got in Rob's shit the whole time he was here... Just when he was being a little bitch........ Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well, I'm still waiting for Wal-Mart to deliver those rock attack pics. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 363 Registered: 02-2003 |
that was 2001 imagine that rd | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 103 Registered: 03-2003 |
OK, all of this talk about shit mods is making me want to vomit. I just can't believe how low some people will go. Fuck that. I say go first class or don't modify at all. After all, the purpose of a mod is to make something better, not worse. Here is an example of a nice mod: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hornburg2/DSC05141.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hornburg2/DSC05142.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hornburg2/DSC05145.jpg That's Al Cruz's D2. That's really nice. The Engel's slide lock and the Power Tank bracket are bolted to a piece of plywood. The Plywood is routered on the edges and the entire piece is covered with black carpet. The holes in the plywood permit Al to strap the plywood to the factory lashing rings in the cargo area on the D2, so no drilling of the truck's cargo area is required. This is some nice shit. Note that he has an Engel and not a Koolatron or Koolamatic bullshit. And he has a genuine Power Tank PT-15 with HD Inflator and not some 4-Wheel Air or Bigtank.com air tank. And he has a genuine Pelican 1610 and not underwater Kinetics or Rubbermaid or other Tupperware shit. The 1610 contains Al's recovery equipment, hand tools, and air tools. The air tools are fitted with quickly detachable fittings and can easily be fitted to the PT-15. When Al needs more storage space, he stacks two 1610's, one on top of the other. Everything fits together nicely. If Al needs more than that, he has two more 1650's that he can fit to his roof rack. Incidentally, that's a Safety Devices roof rack. It's not a home-made rack or a Garvin rack or a Hannibal rack or whatever. It's a nice rack. His rack is also fitted with the Rover Solutions Hi-Lift Jack Mount and Al has a genuine Hi-Lift Jack. Not some Chinese jack. The entire setup is very nicely done. I'm sure there are those of you who think "What a sucker, he spent all that money when he could have made his own shit" or "My Tupperware is just as nice as his overpriced crap" or "What a mall crawler". Whatever. You can think whatever you like. But I've seen lots of Mickey Mouse shit, especially on this BBS, and Al's setup is very nice indeed. His truck is also not a liability on the trail. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2003 |
Shit, here's more. To bring this discussion back to bumpers, here's the front bumper on Al's truck: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hornburg2/DSC05202.jpg That's just the factory bumper with the spoiler trimmed. Al's unsure of which bumper he wants, so he's sticking with the factory bumper for now. He doesn't have a winch yet, but that really doesn't seem so bad because he doesn't have other bullshit like a catcher's mask on the front of his truck. Al does, however, have two JATE rings on the front of his truck. No bullshit warthog tusk hooks welded on. No treadplate front skid plate that looks as cheap shit as can be. Just really nice. When Al finally does fit a front bumper and winch, I'm sure it will be as nice as the rest of his truck. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 86 Registered: 11-2002 |
John You forgot to mention the flooring on his rack. :-) | ||
| Eric N (Grnrvr) Senior Member Username: Grnrvr Post Number: 1332 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ya, and I'm sure that he got it all at EE too. Nice ad. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 767 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, IIRC, D.Chapman has 15 million acres or something right at his backyard. Was it GWNF? John, "genuine Power Tank PT-15 with HD Inflator and not some 4-Wheel Air or Bigtank.com air tank" - we've been there before. There are no genuine PowerTanks because they don't make tanks. D., don't listen to the bastards, keep building the shiznit. It reminded me of the day when I wanted to carve the front bumper for a Chevy Caprice out of pressure-treated 4x6 - that would be really functional. peter | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, the flooring is tip top too: http://expeditionexchange.com/alcruz/DSC01800.jpg I would prefer the five-bar type of flooring, but I can't say that treadplate looks bad. Here is how the flooring is attached to the Safety Devices rack: http://expeditionexchange.com/alcruz/DSC01803.jpg I don't see any chicken wire there. And here's his Rover Solutions Hi-Lift Mount: http://expeditionexchange.com/alcruz/DSC01798.jpg And look, he's got Hella 4000's. Not Lightforce. Surprise, surprise. And here's the wiring for his Hella's: http://expeditionexchange.com/alcruz/DSC01816.jpg Anyone see a pattern here? This is nice shit. A stock Land Rover is a beautiful thing. Every time I go to the dealer, I'm always amazed at how nice the trucks are in stock form. And then I see some of the hunks of shit on this site and I want to puke. As Greg Bright so eloquently put it, why would anyone want to turn his Land Rover into a rolling piece of shit? Apparently, there are those who believe that unless something is a piece of shit, it's a mall crawler or a poseurmobile. Unreal. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 106 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, whatever Eric. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 799 Registered: 02-2002 |
John, I have to disagree with you on this course. Not to create an hugh arguement, but does it really matter if its a pelican box in that back, or if its a plastic bag and a old coleman cooler? we all pretty much agree that D's bumper is ugly as sin but come on, and for those who put image in front of function, bullshit! my belief is to get the best when it comes to safety and if you have enough left over buy the best shit to carry your tools in, and if after dropping 3k in gears and lockers and another 2500 for a bumper, winch and recovery equipment and all you have left is enough for a coleman and bologna, don't let that keep you from venturing off road. mike w | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 140 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey guys dont piss him off, Im going to need one of those bad boys. Im getting ready to put the downstroke on this BAD BOY. I know what your thinking.......To late I left my deposit That bull bar is giong to be the missing link for the perfect off road machine.... Eat your hearts out | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 768 Registered: 09-2002 |
M.K., you should see what a $100 Samsonite case turns into when you put something like 60 lbs in it and try to lift it. Mind it, it ain't even tupperware. John, I tried my best to convince one fellow to buy at least a 1550. Now his shit flies across the Atlantic wrapped in duct tape... Kevin, you bought that thing? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2003 |
I agree with you Mike. If you can't afford the best of everything, then you can't afford it. There are tons of things I want that I can't afford. I just go without. That's life. I'm not saying get the best of everything there is. I'm saying get the best that you can afford. I was showing Al's mods as merely examples of some really nice mods and not as the bare minimum required to have a nice truck. For example, I made fun of Eric Pena's chicken wire flooring. But he has an Adventure rack, which costs a pretty good chunk of change. And he's got Hella FF 300's on that rack. Proper flooring would have cost less than those FF 300's. I always make fun of people with Lightforce lights. To me, "I can't afford Hellas" is not a valid response, because if one can afford Lightforce lights, he can probably afford Hella's. If he truly cannot afford Hella's, then I think he should forego auxiliary lighting until he can get the funds together to buy some proper lighting. Pelican cases are also very expensive. The 1610 is $150 and the 1650 is $170. That's a lot of money. If you can't afford these, that's cool. But I would sooner have my stuff in a cardboard box than in some Underwater Kinetics case or some Rubbermaid shit. I actually think the cardboard box is better, and never make fun of the guy with the cardboard box because I know he's broke. But if he has an Underwater Kinetics case, I make fun of him because I consider him a cheap fuck. D has, I believe, OME suspension, body lift, lockers, and Swampers on his truck. He also says he has a winch lying around. I think that with the money it took to get those things, D could have a fairly nice Disco. For example, D could have kept his front bumper an simply removed the spoiler and done a nice job of trimming the end caps. I've seen lots of Disco's with this set-up and the result can be very elegant. Mate this set-up with two JATE rings for front recovery points. Cost is like $70 from Land Rover Stuff for two JATE rings. I doubt the price difference between that set-up and the weld-on hooks would have been meaningful. Instead of the body lift ($215), that money could have gone toward a proper front bumper. A brand new ARB bumper is $650. Used ones commonly go for $250. One sees things selling second hand all the time. The body lift money could have gone toward an ARB. Slap the winch in the ARB and that's a very solid set-up. If D had the ARB, that would be a solid mounting location for some SMB's instead of the JATE rings and the cost there would have been the same as well. Some very nice BFG MT-KM's wouldn't differ substantially in cost from those Swampers. But I guess BFG's weren't big dawg enough for D's rockcrawler. With something like some 235/85 MT-KM's, D wouldn't have had to hack away the wheel wells and there would have been no need to buy those hideously ugly D2 fender flares. Things like that. It doesn't take money to make a nice truck. There are plenty of trucks that have tons of money in them that are still pieces of shit. Rather than money, it takes effort (free), good taste (free), and judgment (also free). Al's truck is nice not because he poured money into it (he didn't) but rather because he exercises good taste and judgment and he works hard to keep his truck in tip top shape. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 291 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, That's just a cheap shot at Underwater Kinetics and you know it. You mentioned them, just because Derek and I got a ridiculous deal on them and you assume that all of your followers here will believe you if you call them rubbermaid. You'd probably never heard of them before Derek mentioned them. They are EVERY bit as good as Pelican and if you buy them from any regular retailer they are every bit as expensive. They have a 2000lb load limit EMPTY. They are air and water tight. They are submersible. They can be dropped on concrete. They can withstand UV and corrosion. And they are every bit as good looking as a Pelican. Not too mention they have strong mil style latches that are metal twist lock and can't be knocked open. Don't misinform the public just because you want to make Derek and I look cheap. I did the legwork to find that sale, so I earned the ridiculously low price. Derek got it just for being my friend since I was good enough to give him the heads up. For the rest of you, check it out: http://www.uwkinetics.com/ and http://www.customcaseco.com/ukcases.html Don't be misled Dwebbers. John Lee knows quite a bit about the world of expedition gear but that doesn't mean you should take his word as gospel. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 44 Registered: 02-2003 |
beauty is in the eye of the beholder...can't wait for the TT vs Detroit Challenge... Just being a A@@hole... Pelican cases RULE! Shipped very espensive equipment around the world and never lost a peice of gear... frank | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 487 Registered: 05-2002 |
Jack, Woah Nellie! First, I never saw John call UK a Rubbermaid. He just mentioned them in the same sentence. Second, while I am sure the UK cases work just fine, it is obvious from your link that they do not have the repuation, build quality, or sheer ruggedness of the Pellicans. You can dispute this all day long, but the certifications PC has aquired give the straight dope. While the UK cases may be good, it is pretty obvious that they are knockoffs and cheap ones at that. So, while you are pondering your response to me, John , or whoever - maybe you can expain what this has to do with the ugly-ass bumper that the thread seems to be talking about | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2002 |
We could all discuss wrist watches!!! | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2002 |
John, Save your breath man. You can't make certain people understand the importance of buying nice stuff the first time around. Some people just have to go the cheap way first only to find out later that what they ended up with was cheap shit. I've learned over the years that if you can't afford what you really want, wait until you can. Don't just go out and buy cheap shit instead, ulimately all you've done is made it even that much longer before you can get what you wanted in the first place. And I still believe that this whole thread boils down to one guy that decided to make his own shoes and then got pissed when everybody told him they look like Pro-Keds. | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2002 |
By the way, Al or John, where did these come from? I really like this as I am going to have a floor made for my Adventure rack and I really like how clean these are. http://expeditionexchange.com/alcruz/DSC01803.jpg | ||
| Evan Price (The_big_daddy) New Member Username: The_big_daddy Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Curtis.. Does John take you home with him so you can blow him at the end of the day? Let'see : Cyber Backhoe expert Cyber fabricater and welder Now you're an ISO 9001 auditor for Pelican case You make a poor John Jr. Perhaps if you where to purchase an Omega from EE you could continue to pretend. Difference is John usually knows what he's typing about.(can't believe I typed that) Big Hugs ! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jack, LOL. You are such a little cheesedick loser. Just for the record, I have heard of Underwater Kinetics before. They're not top secret or anything. There was even a thread on Pelican cases LAST YEAR and some people mentioned the UK cases. Also for the record, I didn't even know you had the Underwatcher Kinetics cases. How the fuck would I know this? Am I Dionne Warwick or something? You and I have never met. We've never wheeled together. You've never told me you have the UK cases. Get real you stupid fuck. But don't worry, those wannabe cases will match perfectly with your wannabe Leggo My Eggo waffle ladders and your wannabe Lethal Weapon Beretta and your wannabe Top Gun Breitling. You have such shitty taste it's unreal. With all of the money you spent on this garbage you could have got some really nice stuff. And no, the world doesn't revolve around you. Next time you see a post and think it's a jab at you, step back and take another look. In other words, get a life you hyper-sensitive Loser. | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 361 Registered: 02-2002 |
Pro-Keds? LOL!!! That's like wearing an Armitron watch! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greg, those hooks for the rack flooring were made by Al's friend at Al's work. I think the story is that Al drew up the specs for the hooks on a computer program and his friend machined them out of some scrap aluminum lying around the shop. Very nice. | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 362 Registered: 02-2002 |
Pro-Keds-  Chuck Taylors  | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 363 Registered: 02-2002 |
DChapman  Hummer H1  | ||
| Kirk Thibault (Kirkt) Member Username: Kirkt Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2002 |
"little cheesdick loser" - Now that's funny.  | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 488 Registered: 05-2002 |
Evan, "Difference is John usually knows what he's typing about.(can't believe I typed that)" ROTFLMAO - I find it amusing that you think you have the ability to differentiate between someone who knows what he is talking about and someone who does not. Your entire knowledge base revolves around boxer shorts and homosexual acts. Thats it. Nothing else. Matter of fact, you probably only post here to take a break from wearing out your fingers at the Manboy Associations web site. Don't worry though. Your pain and anguish will soon be over. I am sure the Feds are closing in on your little scam to lure pre-teen boys off the internet. Kisses, Curtis | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 771 Registered: 09-2002 |
Curtis, come on, everyone on this board is self-proclaimed expert in something your own area of professional knowledge was titanium, IIRC | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 489 Registered: 05-2002 |
LOL. Actually Peter, today is it solid rocket fuel booster technology. Ti is so passe these days. Tomorrow I am going with race kart chassis and Rotax engine tuning expertise. Saturday will certainly be race kart driving expert day with a little deviation by doing another race to the bottom of the ice chest afterwards. Next week I will be doing some travels so I will split my time between aeronautical engineering and turbine assembly. Then it will be back to being an expert trail guide in Moab. Ah - the adventures in the life of an ex-spurt! | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 772 Registered: 09-2002 |
man, expert trail guide in moab... that kicks ass. i've been driving around SBD mountains for a few years now, and couldn't find a trail i wanted last sunday... now, in moab, with tire tracks on nearly every rock around! | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 74 Registered: 04-2003 |
but does it really matter if its a pelican box in that back, or if its a plastic bag and a old coleman cooler? we all pretty much agree that D's bumper is ugly as sin but come on, and for those who put image in front of function, bullshit! this is the same logic that lets some people justify marrying an ugly chick. Two arms, two legs, the right number of orifices...."I do" | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 800 Registered: 02-2002 |
John Lee, your point was well made and taken. mike w | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 292 Registered: 10-2002 |
"get a life" from the Loyola lawyer who spent his undergrad years alone in the library at UCLA reading Soldier of Fortune. Now he's middle aged and lives alone and bullies people on the internet. Of course I've never met you. I'd be afraid to. You're armed to the gills and you carry around a pistol without a CCP in case your angry tire guy shows up. Who are you calling little? What sort of a Napoleon complex do you have? | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2002 |
John, I see another product for Expedition Ware in the future. Maybe get Al's buddy to make 'em for you. Or at least get him to make me some. It's a great idea. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 205 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, I have much respect for you and your opinions on everything Land Rover but..... John said: "It's not a home-made rack or a Garvin rack or a Hannibal rack or whatever. It's a nice rack." I am sure Garvin racks are trash, but I've never heard bad things about Hannibal racks. Many will argue that they are not as good looking as SD racks but are they trash? I dont think so. John said: "your wannabe Lethal Weapon Beretta" I dont own a Beretta myself but how can you possibly say anything bad about them. If you think it is too large a side arm for your tastes thats fine. If you dont like the original 9mm chambering that is also fine (you can get them in .40 S&W also). But to argue that it is just a wannabe gun is foolish. It is as reliable a gun as you can get, the US armed forces made sure of that, and that is the single most important factor in any handgun. The beretta is a good gun. Just my opinion, Dan | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 490 Registered: 05-2002 |
"The beretta is a good gun." Uh oh! LOL | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 491 Registered: 05-2002 |
"man, expert trail guide in moab... that kicks ass." Peter, all it takes is one trip to Moab to make an expert around here. You know this. I am not sure how many times I have been there for various recreational activities, but it surely must put me up there with Dan Mick & Bill B. BTW - It is about time for some of you Cali guys to head out. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 899 Registered: 09-2002 |
Crap...I still use tuperware for my junk and I have a plywood board for a roofrack floor, and I just bought some IPF lights. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2002 |
Damn Brian, hope you dont have a Beretta too. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 900 Registered: 09-2002 |
I carry a Crossman | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2002 |
Damn Brian, you are a Cheap Bastard! My S&W 40 lives under the drivers seat where the changer would normally go. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 295 Registered: 10-2002 |
Seems as if Al Hang has both the UK and Pelican. Let's let him weigh in. In the Archive thread he seems to like the UK: ../17/10277.html> Derek and I have UKs and we use a Pelican at work. There is NO advantage to the Pelican. Just because someone made a product first doesn't mean someone else can't come along and make it better. Personally, I like the full hinges on the UK as well as the metal twist latches. The UK gets its strength from the raised ridges which also hold the tie downs in place better. I'll try to post a pic of my set up. Most places online the UKs cost more. Go figure. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 801 Registered: 02-2002 |
HOLY SHIT! WHAT TWINKLED TOED oops, Daniel, DUDE the Beretta is the sidearm of the US Armed Forces because Sig wouldn't build a factory in the U.S..An OG Italian made Beretta is an nice weapon, the U.S. model lacks a little. does it work YUP, will it hit and kill what its pointed at YUP, but so would a sling shot a good rock. mike w | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 209 Registered: 10-2002 |
Does everyone remember Carter going off about how the mexican made giutars are crap and only the US ones are any good in the spy shots tread. Here we go again.... M.K. If it works and it hits what its pointed at, what more can you ask for. I too would rather have a sig personally, but not because I would be better defended with it than with the beretta, just because I like sig's. I think a beretta is conssiderably better than a "sling shot a good rock," whatever that it. Or a crossman, LOL. If you were in a gun fight and you were armed with a sig, your opponent with a beretta, can you honestly say that your chances are better because you have a sig and he has a US made beretta? Of course not. In use the two are equal. The sig is nicer, but not better. Now, not only is a Rovertym bumper nicer than D.'s creation, it is also better. Just compare the recovery points, night and day diffrence. See how I stay on topic. Dan | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 63 Registered: 09-2002 |
For what it's worth: the Beretta will likely hit what it's shooting at-depending on the shooter-but as far as actually killing the target or just pissing them off that is a whole different story. Many attribute the switch to 9mm as a consolation to gender integration as the .45 was considered to harsh for the kinder, gentler sex. While the official reasons I have seen speak more toward trying to ally ammunition types with our NATO allies, I tend to believe the less PC rumor. Compared to the 1911 the Beretta does not match up-at least in my opinion, as well as that of almost every other Marine I have come in contact with. Just my $.02, I have no comment on the bumper, watches, roof racks or whether anyone should be convinced back to a Land Rover-unless they were waiting for the 05 Disco. r- Ray | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 210 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ray, I agree with you on the subject of caliber. There is no reason to chamber a full size sidearm in 9mm. However, we are not talking about caliber. You can have a beretta in 9mm or .40 You can have a sig in 9mm, ,357 sig, .40 or .45 I was comparing a 9mm beretta with a 9mm sig. If the armed forces had chossen the sig rather than the beretta is would probably still have been a 9mm sig. Also note, the 9mm is not the same round it use to be. You can now load it with a 115 grain JHP at 1350 fps for 466 ft/lbs, (made by cor-bon and others). That is respectable performance, but of course I would rather have a 230gr .45 JHP. | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 64 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dan, I agree with your comments, assuming properly maintained weapons two people shooting at each other within pistol shooting range are about equal when taking a Sig or a Beretta to task. What happened was your post got their before mine, and it made it look like I was commenting on yours rather than the previous posts. I also agree with you last post, and the 9mm round (amoung others like the .40) has come a long way-but I still like the sure-fire stopping power of the .45 just as you pointed out, afterall that is why we switched from .38 to .45 in the first place. Going to 9mm was a step backwards, of course nobody's asking me anyway! | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 802 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dan, You and Ray are both correct, it is the shooter who will in the end make the ulimate difference. however, some handguns by their design are are easier ro point and shoot. the glock, sig and a few others are made to fit the shooter a bit more naturally. the weapon becomes an extension of the shoulder, arm and hand. in combat shooting you train to point at your target, sight alignment is important in long distant shooting but in that 20' zone that most real world shooting occurrs sight alignment takes way too long. three shots in less than 5 seconds will determine the victor. Point shooting is what we call it. and with point shooting the better the handgun marrys (fits)to the hand as it extends from the body the better. if the difference in the angle of grips and the barrel is to square then you have to adjust your wrist to make the weapon come to bear on its target. 1911s as much as i love them doesn't fit the shooters hand as well as a glock. both are great guns but going cold from holster to the target i would rather have a handgun that is more natural in fit that would allow for a more natural point at my target. Beretta doesnt allow this, that makes it (IMHO) the lesser. there are a few other differences in design that allow one gun to point better than another but i'll let it rest at that, if doesn't fit you must not get. mike w | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 89 Registered: 03-2003 |
Dan, Ranger Recon went to the HK .45 for a reason. It is not considered a defensive weapon system. This may have changed. However in 96 as I was leaving that was the word. Stacey | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 238 Registered: 01-2003 |
Man, am I the only LR driver who doesn't own a gun? I live in the west and have no gun, why is it everyone feels the need for a firearm offroad? Don't get me wrong, I used to hunt with my dad and target shoot, I have nothing against owning firearms, just never felt the need to own one for myself. Why is it I'm the only one on this board who doesn't own a gun? | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 901 Registered: 09-2002 |
Andy....I don't own one either....a Crossman is a BB gun. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 774 Registered: 09-2002 |
Andy, that's their inner sense of insecurity seriously, there are few excuses for not having one. the main is being a shitty shot, and that's where i stick. peter | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 239 Registered: 01-2003 |
Peter, the shitty shot thing is the reason I quit shooting. My sister's would outshoot me all the time, talk about being insecure as an adolecent. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 492 Registered: 05-2002 |
Andy, I always carry when off road and especially when camping. There are all kinds of dangers off road that a good weapon can help stave off. While I have run across the occasional mobile meth lab off road, my concern lies more with the moose and other wildlife we have around here. e me offline and lets set something up. Curtis | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2002 |
"My sister's would outshoot me all the time, talk about being insecure as an adolecent." Pee on the toilet seat and then lift it when your done. This will help with your insecurity :-) | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1531 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey, Getting back to mods.... First off; Pelicans are the shit. period. I went on three back-to-back camping / off-road trips and it rained on every one. I had two Pelican 1650's strapped to my floorless adventure rack, and all the contents stayed perfectly dry. Somewhere up this thread; there is conversation about welded recovery hooks. I have a RTE Slimline and on the front are two welded pads (not hooks) in which you can install shackles to. Is this a bad idea? Check out this pic: http://www.discoweb.org/gwnf2/Paul%20Rocks.3.jpg I haven't used these pads yet. I have been having too much fun with the 12K winch. As for rack flooring, I definately need something. But I have been waaaay too busy to fix that problem. After looking at Al Cruz's D2, I can't help but wonder how he keeps his RS Hi-Lift Jack Mounts from rusting. Also, that rack is beautiful. And to keep in line with Blue's remarks: Damn Alex, that's a nice rack. Is that some gourmet shit? | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 240 Registered: 01-2003 |
Brian, "You'll shoot your eye out ..." Ron, my sisters kids pee on the toilet for me now, infortuntiy in my house too. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Ron, my sisters kids pee on the toilet for me now, infortuntiy in my house too." sometimes you just cant win.... lol | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 90 Registered: 03-2003 |
Andy, I do not have anything to sever or Koresh like. O/U 20 g., (Red Label) and my fathers old .22 lr target pistol. However, my wife and I just moved south of Tucson. I took the dogs out for a stroll in the desert near the house and I stumbled across a cattle tank used by illegals,(this is to include everything from migrant field workers, to drug running coyotes). Other times, outings in the desert for quail have resulted in the running into other illegals. If you have a night out in this part of the desert these folks will actually approach your camps at night for water and what ever else. My wife has requested that we get a better weapon, (G .40 more than likely). Now I am not one of the Boarder Vigilantes on the news. In fact my wife who wants the weapon was, (past tense = before she married me), had some very restrictive thoughts involving weapons. Then she would come out for nights with me in the bush and any sound out there would get here going. The desert up there in Utah is probably a lot safer than down here. To every one else that is going to tell me what to get, the driving force will be how the weapon fits my wifes hand. So thank you in advance for the advice. :-) LOL. If I had my way I would have been able to keep my M4. LOL Stacey | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL Jack. Keep grasping at straws. Maybe Al will come in and wax lyrical about his UK cases. Even if he does, it doesn't mean much. Have you ever asked a Lexus owner how much he loves his Lexus? Invariably, the response is something like, "Oh, I love my Lexus, wouldn't trade it for the world, I'm so glad I bought a Lexus instead of a Mercedes, Mercedes is such a rip-off, blah, blah, blah". If you ask a Pentax camera owner how much he loves his Pentax, the result will invariably be "Oh, I love my Pentax, I'm so glad I got this over the Contax because it's so much easier to use, and the Contax is so overpriced, blah, blah, blah". And since we're talking about guns, Leupold owners will always tell you something like "Leupold optics are just as good as Schmidt & Bender, I'm so in love with my Mk.IV Tactical Leupold, you are such a sucker for buying that Accuracy International Arctic Warfare with Schmidt & Bender telescope, this is what the Marine and Army snipers use, blah, blah, blah". Same goes for the cases. Starlight cases. Anvil cases. Watertight Cases. Rubbermaid cases. Cabbage Cases. Tupperware cases. Underwater Kinetics cases. Same shit. "Oh, I love my Underwater Kinetics cases. They're sooooo much better than the Pelicans, I'm loving the twist-o-flex latches and the Steinway piano hinges, blah, blah, blah". Yeah, whatever. And yes, the UK cases cost more than the Pelicans. Big deal. What are you, Korean? Is price how you gauge quality or intrinsic value? UK cases cost more for a reason. There are tons of different fake Pelicans out there. Almost all sell for a hell of lot less than Pelican cases. UK is another copycat Pelican case. UK wanted to separate itself from the other copycats and thus charge more. Their tactic is to charge more for their cases so that the suckers like you think they're getting a superior case. Designer label companies do this sort of stuff all the time. If a certain perfume is priced cheaply, people actually want it less than if it was priced higher. Obviously, this tactic worked on you. So go on loving those Underwater Kinetics cases. I'm sure you've already got them strapped to your roof rack with your waffle ladders and your septic tank gas cans and your second spare wheel. I'm sure you'll be looking very cool driving around town like that. You can even drive around with your left arm on the window sill so that people in the next lane can peep your Breitling Navitimer. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 903 Registered: 09-2002 |
Go MRK19 | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 534 Registered: 06-2002 |
Some are just not as cool as you John.  I guess those who are not must be verbally flogged by you and others on this board. I gather you are a smart guy...figure it out. I personally would not put that bumper on my truck but kudos to D for trying it and building it yourself. Unfortunately, it was not bought from EE or built by Rover Solutions so obviously it does not get the seal of approval from John or Kyle. We all have different tastes so god forbid someone comes up with any ideas of their own. Granted, I would not use that bumper but I am not going to make fun of anyone who has the nuts to build anything and try it on the Rover. Just because you wouldnt use it doesnt mean its a piece of shit. You are all so closed minded it stinks.  | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 515 Registered: 04-2002 |
So if they cost more then why do you say you consider someone who own one instead of a pelican cheap??? | ||
| Read (Read) New Member Username: Read Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2002 |
Paul, I think the issue with welding vs. bolting is that a weld is difficult to rate. there are lots of variables that come into play. i.e.. type of weld, skill of welder, and the grade of stele used. when it comes down to it, you just don't really know at what load it will fail at without extensive testing. As for bolts, they come rated and have the testing data to back it up. You know at what load it is most likely to fail at, thus avoiding catastrophic injury or death. I know I don't ever want to relearn how to talk or walk cause I was hit in the head with a d shackle that broke of a mounting point. At least with a rated bolt you may be able to seek restitution if it failed below it's rating. A task that could be a lot harder if trying to collect from the "iron railing shop" or worse yet the guy down the street with a welder in the garage. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, what I said to D applies to you. You started a thread and posted the pics of your chicken wire flooring. If you didn't want comments on your flooring, you shouldn't have posted pics. If you hadn't opened the door, I wouldn't have said anything. If you don't want comments on your flooring, don't post pics of your flooring. Carter, the Underwater Kinetics cases list for more than Pelican cases. The UK cases don't necessarily sell for more. Products like that often go on sale on huge discounts. That's how they sell. If they stuck to their list prices, nobody would buy them. But UK plays pricing games. They list their cases for a shitload so that suckers will think their cases are superior to Pelican cases. But at this price, nobody but the biggest suckers will buy these cases and buy Pelicans instead. So UK cases frequently go on sale for huge discounts. Buyers will see the 50% off or whatever price and think "oh shit, it's 50% off, I must buy them now". How often do you see Pelican cases on sale? Pelican doesn't play these pricing games. It relies on the excellence of its cases. And incidentally, I have no huge loyalty to Pelican Products. Pelican asked us why we don't sell their flashlights. LOL. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 803 Registered: 02-2002 |
Stacey, you have all the knowledge you need already to find your Half Unit the prefect gun. when i had to wear a sidearm for a living, our department went from carry your own to Shit & Wesson .40 semi-auto, one of our female officers struggles with it during annuals. its not her fault, just a gun that doesnt fit her small hand. the cheif had it in his head that real cops carry that brand no matter what. she lost her tactial edge and how was that right. If it don't fit, don't get! mike w | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1249 Registered: 04-2002 |
"And yes, the UK cases cost more than the Pelicans. Big deal. What are you, Korean? " Interesting comment........ Can't believe this thread is still going.... | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 296 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sorry John, The Landy doesn't get much "around town" time. If it's rolling it's usually on a trip. The bimmer is the main grocery getter. | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 535 Registered: 06-2002 |
John, I never asked for comments but I knew I would get them and that is fine. What I don't understand is how some of you can be so closed minded to others options. I imagine you built some shit stuff before so why can't you realize that others have to start somewhere too! I thought this BB was here to share ideas and get questions answered. The idea of this BB is awesome and I love the service it provides to all but the really bad, negative feedback is not necessary. We could all use constructive criticism undoubtedly but this is not constructive.  | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2002 |
"this is not constructive" it is not... but its damn funny | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1533 Registered: 02-2002 |
Good Point Read, I should know better since I work in aerospace and we test the shit out of everything. I think the welds that JBS performed on the RTE will work fine as long as I exercise common sense. I don't have the skills to create a close up picture for you, but it (the pad) is quiet beefy. Like I said before, I haven't used them yet thanks to the Warn 12K. Thanks Read. | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey Jack, This is about Mods. Nobody flame me, this is an enviromental MOD, and this thread has been all over the place. While you are here take a look at this. http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/30522editVer2grazing.html Stacey | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, I find it interesting that when Kyle and I call your flooring "chicken wire", you frame that as our being closed-minded. If you disagree and think your flooring is the cat's meow, that's fine. We can agree to disagree. But just because somebody disagrees with you, that does not make him closed minded. I thought the chicken wire comment spoke for itself, but I guess it didn't. If you're looking for a substantive critique of your flooring, I don't think it will stand up to use and will form concave sections from people standing on it. I'm not Dionne Warwick, but I'm guessing that when you stand on the rack, you still stand on the rails and not on the unsupported sections of chicken wire. If so, then I see little point in having that flooring at all. I like the aluminum flooring, but that is by means not the only option. Some people use plywood and if the job is properly done, the result is very handsome. I think Jon Turner said he used teak on his roof rack. This certainly sounds interesting. If done properly it would look superb I would think. Some others simply leave the rack open because they use the rack to store mainly large but relatively lightweight items like clothing, sleeping bags, tents, etc. contained inside Pelican cases. The larger Pelican cases are large enough that they do not require flooring. There's no one "right" way to go about it. But the chicken wire is basically a joke. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Yeah, I have lots of shit in my truck. A good example would be the 12v plug for my Engel. I went to Radio Shack and bought a cheap shit 12v female plug and wired it to the battery under my driver's seat. The wires are all exposed. The plug isn't connected to anything and just dangles there. It's a total POS. But there are some differences between you and me. One, I'm not proud of my plug and don't go posting pics of it on the web. I'm actually ashamed of it. Two, if you called my plug set-up a hunk of shit, I wouldn't get pissed off and call you closed-minded. I would agree with you that it's a hunk of shit. Also, just because someone calls your mod a piece of shit, that does not mean such criticism is not constructive. Just because your feelings were hurt does not mean the criticism was not constructive. In fact, it probably means the opposite. If the criticism hurt your feelings, it did so because the critique was true. What could be more constructive criticism than the truth? | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2002 |
I for one dont like glocks or any off the other plastic pistols. I had one and didnt care for it. It was too top heavy for my taste. The slide weights so much more than the frame. My S&W is steel slide on an alloy frame and I can fire it fast with much more control. That said, the Glock is about as trouble free and simple a pistol as can be had. Keep in mind that many women shooters will have a difficult time with the width of the glock. Andy, I have also found that women are excellent shooters. However, keeping a cool head in an extreme situation usually favors men. Which do you think is more important? Dan | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dammit, I went into a meeting, and forgot to click post. I come back an hour later and nobody is talking side arms anymore. John, what POS handgun do you keep in the rover? Dan | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 365 Registered: 02-2002 |
 I'm not constructive  I'm can't have fun  Eric got his feelings hurt You want some cheese with that whine?          | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 297 Registered: 10-2002 |
Stacey, That article makes me both hopeful and worried. There is no doubt in my mind that grazing is the single reason that quail populations have plummeted throughout AZ. However, I wonder how these "Forest Guardians" stand on hunting issues. If they believe in responsible managment then I'll be happy to join up. If not, I'm not sure what I'd do. I suppose I'd rather have happy quail and beautiful habitat and lots of fat coyotes then Arizona Moonscape complete with thousands of cows. Do you think that on the larger scale of state lobbying, environmentalists can win against ranchers? I'm sure that the small scale family farm (the more hunter friendly variety I might add) can't fight the donation power of a well funded conservation group, but what about large scale "factory" ranching? There's a lot of money there, it could carry the day. Maybe a few more shrewd legal battles could net a win for bird hunters and environmentalists alike. Can't wait for the Labs to meet up in the Fall! | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2002 |
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| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 536 Registered: 06-2002 |
John, First off, I did not use chicken wire for my rack flooring. I detailed exacly what was in the post and it is far from chicken wire. Second, I didn't get my feelings hurt. I can take a few jokes at my expense and frankly I was not hurt at all by what was said by anyone in my flooring post but some of the things posted here I thought was childish and ridiculous. Third, I don't, by any streach of the imagination, think my flooring is 'the cats meow' as you put it. It was an awesome solution for me and I think it will suit my needs for sometime to come. Fourth, I have had that flooring installed now for 4 months and never posted anything specific about it. I was asked to post something about how and from what I made it from others wanting more info on it that could not come and see it in person. That is what this forum is for. | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 517 Registered: 04-2002 |
I gottcha John | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 366 Registered: 02-2002 |
Perhaps I should take my cue and get offended, even though I was not named...  I'm childish and ridiculous! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, Before you were just a crybaby. Now you're an asshole and a liar. I never said that you used actual chicken wire. I said that Kyle and I referred to your flooring as chicken wire. You fucking know this, but now you're playing stupid because that's all you have. You exaggerate my comment into "you're using actual chicken wire" because your position is untenable and you have nothing else to come back with. Yeah, you didn't get your feelings hurt. Whatever. You didn't think your flooring was the cat's meow? Then why did you call your thread "Awsome New Rack Flooring Idea!! w/pics"? Jesus Christ. Do you think everyone is as dumb as you are? Just because you say you're not hurt or you're not excited about your rack, do you think that makes it so? I thought D had no credibility but you're down there right next to him. In fact, you're just like D. You say you're merely replying to others' requests for pics but it's patently obvious you're really excited about your mod and you're posting to show off your piece of shit because you lack the judgment and discrimination to know you have a piece of shit on your hands. When others chime in and say your mod is a piece of shit, you get hurt. When I point out that you're hurt, you deny that you're hurt. This pathetic. You both follow the exact MO. It's ridiculous. And you're both morons for thinking anyone believes it. | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 88 Registered: 01-2003 |
Here's an idea! Have a shootout between a 1911 (.45ACP) and a Beretta (9mm or .40), have the targets be Pelican and Underwater Kenetics cases. Maybe have them filled with water or other fluid for max shock effect. Everyone use their favoite defensive ammo. IMHO- The 1911 .45 is possibly the greatest hadgun ever made. I have a couple of them, but as my belt is way below where my waitline used to be, wearing one makes my pants fall down. (This also precludes carrying a .50AE Desert Eagle.) So to keep myself modest while packing, I have a Taurus PT-145. (Now thaty is a contriversial piece, but I have not yet seen any of the reported problems with mine.) Now who's gonna supply the targets? | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2003 |
This thread is just Wack. Can I get a Bling from someone. (just drove home and started Cerveza, Carta Blanca numero uno). Jack, I do not know their stand on "quail vs. 1200' persec. projectiles". LOL. I will look into it. I think that this is the same people that got the gathering of wood in New Mexico band from private land. What a mess that was. In Northern N.M. it is the third world in some areas. The people who live in the small towns gathered wood to heat their homes, no central heating. Suddenly they are fined. We got rain in Feb. and March = normal amount so the drought goes on. However, I saw a clutch today of Five. Stacey | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2002 |
That shit aint just for Chickens , that heavy shit could probably keep some larger live stock contained as well!!! lol Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2003 |
Dan, What the.... | ||
| ed hart (Adifferentedh) Member Username: Adifferentedh Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2002 |
John, I have to call you out on the Hannibal comment , if you personally don't like the look that's cool . But please show me a better production rack for the RR . Or tell me why you would group it(Hannibal) w/ the garvins of the world Ed | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2002 |
Reed, where do we meet for the shoutout? I will represent the .40 with my POS S&W. How fun! John, you provide the pelican cases for targets. A few of those power tanks you sell would also be fun to shoot. A friend of mine has one of those taurus .45's It shoots fine with some brands of ammo but jams regularly with others. In my book that makes it a POS. If yours is reliable than I have no problem with it. My .40 has never jamed. Granted, I've only put about 1000 rounds through it, which is not that many. But still, any gun which will fire 1000 rounds of various quality and manufacture without a single malfunction is solid. Also, many .45's have problems with hollow points. I have shoot the 40 with several kinds of JHP and it all works just as good as hardball. I'm not saying that my gun in particular is anything special. On the contrary, it's a plain blued S&W 410 that you can buy for around $400. Nothing classy like a $850 sig sauer. But that S&W fits my hand like a glove, I can shoot it fast and straight and it's 100% reliable. In a gun fight I am just as well protected as I would be with a sig or beretta or glock. That's how the whole handgun argument got started. I'm just saying that if any one gun works right than it's just as good a gun of any other manufacture. Dan | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh crap, I ment public lands above. (Damn Mexican Beer) | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 89 Registered: 01-2003 |
Dan- Yeah that Taurus likes the hardball, and I have had some feed problems with the JHP, but I'm working on that. The thing is the Taurus with 11 230gr. loads in it is lighter than my mom's Beretta. (Ok, so her Beretta is made of Stainless, but...) The 1911's (Colt) eat just about anything. To bring this into line with the rest of the thread, we should probably do this on some really sensitive BLM land, that doesn't have cows on it. Then to really keep it topical, backstops should be catchers masks and chicken wire. What fun! | ||
| Art Bitterman (Aardvark) New Member Username: Aardvark Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2003 |
THis thread remnds me of a car wreck along side the road. Don't want to look, but can't help it! On this thread there's a whole lot of BS and ego's, but I can't keep myself from coming back to see whats new.... | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 537 Registered: 06-2002 |
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761556565 | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 45 Registered: 02-2003 |
couple of things... Did D. fall of the planet? I luv my Sig 226, but my S&W 45 lives in my rig... Post pics of shit and take the heat. We all will let you what we think.. and yes, the bumpers ugly, but what ever fills your bowl... frank | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2003 |
Reed, Wiping that beer of the moniter now. Thanks. | ||
| Art Bitterman (Aardvark) New Member Username: Aardvark Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2003 |
And as for THE gun, have to go with the other poster; John Browning's 1911 and the 230 grain 45 ACP. Do the math: 230 grains is twice the normal 9mm load of 115 grains. A lot more energy hitting the target! As for us with small hands, a single stack 1911 fits us. I can shoot a double stack 9 easily; my itty bitty mitts (not catchers mitts, my hands ) can't reach the trigger easily. My 2 cents! | ||
| Kirk Thibault (Kirkt) Member Username: Kirkt Post Number: 82 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think this image fits the thread as well as any.  | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 804 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dan, I agree that all guns will do pretty much what they are designed to do. but how would your friends taurus resale compare to the sig? i will AGREE they all kill. for what ever the value of that would be, but as a product there is a difference and like pelican boxes and tupperware you get exactly what you pay for. mike w | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 805 Registered: 02-2002 |
damn the shit is hitting this thread fasater than i can type! mike w | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 299 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here are some of the pics of the Underwater Kinetics. Not really for arguments sake, but just to show what they're all about. I suppose by posting pics I only invite inumerable criticisms, but here goes.  | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 300 Registered: 10-2002 |
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| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2002 |
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| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 90 Registered: 01-2003 |
Mike, As the one that brought the Taurus into the discussion, I can tell you that the resale on a Taurus PT-145 is not good. They had some issues with frame cracking in some early models. Though they never admitted it, it looks like they fixed the problem. The cracks would start showing up around 200-400 rounds. Mine is well beyond that with no signs of the problem. (This problem only showed up in the .45 version of the pistol (Maybe the .40 also)). But they now have a bad rep and people won't buy them. I wouldn't mind a used Sig, but who wants to sell one? Basically most all martial arts are designed to be damaging to the opponent. I happen to like, and practice shooting. Doesn't mean I want to kill anything. (Well maybe a Pelican case...or a drug crazed commie hippie chipmunk.) But the potential is always there. The best pistol, bumper, roof rack flooring, etc.. is what fits the owners needs. (I like the chickenwire idea myself, its better than the plywood I'm using now, it will let some light through the sunroofs, and if it gets bent it can be replaced at any farm supply. -Reed | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 91 Registered: 01-2003 |
Jack- Nice setup. But without the dogguard behind ther rear seat, there is no place to mount my "Genuine" Land Rover "Easy Rider" Rifle Rack. Those tie-downs beat the hell out of that little cargo net though. -Reed | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wow-this threads going all over the place...bullbars, handguns, roof racks, the environmental concerns of rural Arizona... Anyway, I've been looking for a roof rack for my RRC but haven't found one I completely like. Here's why, for starters I would like to get an aluminum one in order to save weight and keep COG low (although I don't know how much weight savings of steel vs. aluminum would give me). I do not like the bulky design of the Hannibal rack and especially not the "open" front end design. I have to admit I like the look of Rob D's better than other racks I've looked at for the RRC. I have always planned to have a diamond plate floor on it so I can stand on it, etc. and place crap wherever I want it. I was thinking of having it bolted or (since aluminum) welded to the rack. I do NOT, however, want to leave the flooring natural aluminum or polished as I feel it would be like having a "giant mirror" on my roof and for some reason that would bother me even though it might reflect some heat. Painting is an option but would probably require frequent touch up. I also thought about black rhinoline the flooring for a non-skid durable surface but don't know. Any ideas? Feel free to slam away- | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 780 Registered: 09-2002 |
Greg, check RoverSolutions - the kickest-assest RR roof rack yet. peter | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 806 Registered: 02-2002 |
Reed, when Beretta sold its old tool line to Taurus, there was a lot of bad issue with those guns. bad metal and poor quality control led to the Taurus leaving a bad taste in folks mouth. they have since then cleaned their act up and produce an excellent firearm. it will never have the resale value of others but as a self defense weapon it is adequate. if any one cares to know for home/off-road defense i would perfer a pump shotgun over anything that is out there. when racked it tends to get your attention really quick and a dozen or so 9mm sized pellets going down range will impress the most determine jackass that he or she may have made a mistake. mike w | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 302 Registered: 10-2002 |
Reed, I just strap the cased rifle in with my hi-lift jack lashes in the rear foot well:  | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2215 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hmmmmm................. I like Nikon, because I can use pretty much any Nikon lens on about any Nikon camera. And, they've got good glass. And, don't cost as much as a Leica. I like my .45; it fits my hand better than a Glock, actually... but, I'm not a little fella anymore, a double-stack 1911 just suits me best. I was wondering why you didn't have Pelican lights, BTW.... I have one I like(d) a lot... the wife was feeding our dog one night several years ago, then left it lying there when she came back in. Next morning, it was partially eaten, so, it wasn't great for reliable caving use at that point, but, it's handy around the house as a chore-light.... Don't have any cases, other than ones at work. For luggage, I use Wally-workd plastic bags, and, grew up within earshot of Bristol (I think that means I have gp beat, lol....).... [for those that don't get that, it's a Foxworthy joke....] lol........ -L | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 904 Registered: 09-2002 |
"that bumper looks more appropriate for this beastly rig:" Blue.....be nice man | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 199 Registered: 10-2002 |
Peter- Yeah I know-that's who made Rob D's. | ||
| Al Cruz (Alc) Member Username: Alc Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2002 |
Eric N. Actually no I didnt buy it all from EE, in no particular order but here is the list of vendors I have bought from to get the rig to its current state. Roverbiz Rover Accessories Rover Connection Rovers North Rover Solutions EE Land Rover Stuff LR Newport Beach LR South Bay GPS city (for RAM laptop mount) Custom sliders by the Elfn man Custom DP flooring by me (knock off from DiscoHo) Custom rear spacers by me Used lift kit, wheels and tires. And BTW, John has also given me shit for buying Dees diff guards. But you know I respect any man who calls it as he sees it. Shit take it for what it is and deal with the criticism and move on. Id rather deal with anybody who is upfront than a fucking snake who talks behind anyones back. And Ive been called a Filipino Jew many times for being a CB, but Ive learned enough to know when to pay the man. I work too fucking hard as do most of you folks to waste my time and money. I dont do ugly, but then again its all relative I suppose. Greg, I may be able to help you on the mounting hooks; I was planning on selling the flooring but I couldnt keep the cost down to enough to make it viable for those interested in purchasing the flooring. Plus if I couldnt sell it the way I had wanted and designed it, then I wasnt going to sell it at all. The mounting hook was the primary issue (fabrication cost) but I think I may found a source for them, but unfortunately not at the price I wanted to sell them for. But if your interested, let me know. Al | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 92 Registered: 01-2003 |
Mike- The racking of a rifle/shotgun bolt is one of the most unique sounds I know, and it gets my attention faster than the buzz of a rattlesnake. Jack- When I actually have a long gun on board, it too is in a hard case on the floor. CHP and other law enforcement issues aside, if I actually put a carbine in the rifle rack, I'd be asking to have all my windows removed by some of the more agressive gun collectors in this state. I have the gun rack installed mostly to spin up the resident anti-gunners. If I can gent the straps to work as well on my Pelican cases as you have on the UK's, I am definitly going to follow your lead. Leslie I actually have one of the Pelican lights clipped just above the passenger seat. It is one of those hinged ones, and makes an excellent map light for the passenger. I also have one I keep in my telescope case, with a red filter on it for night work with the telescope. Very handy, but the hinge is a poor design and once it is loose there is no quick way to tighten it. I probably also have one (non-hinged) in a dive bag somewhere but they never put out as much light underwater as some of the larger lensed lights I have like an old Tekna. (Still my favorite for a battery powered hand held spotlight. And what I would like to have in a cave. Actually in a cave, I still like my old carbide lamp. More fun when you find the methane pocket.) As for a handy light to walk from the gate to the mail box with, I keep a MagLite under the seat next to the tunnel. (Fits in there real good,) Let the dog chew on that for a while ;-) | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 65 Registered: 09-2002 |
Wow, I go home from work and decide not to check this and look where we've been. Stacey-see if she likes a 1911 style .45, I was shocked when my wife told me that she much prefers our Springfield over my Glock 21, as well as the 9mm's we had shot. The single stack is the way to go for the smaller hands, and it gives you a good excuse to go buy a Kimber or something nice for "her." I have to agree with the women being good shooter's commentary, my wife is a hell of a shot with the aforementioned 1911-although she's not much on double taps or fail-to-stop drills with it, but she will put a single shot where she wants it (and with a .45 thats enough) That being said now that we have a little one the only weapon we keep in the house ready to go is the Mossburg 590, and that is locked into a rack in the closet. There is nothing like the sound of a pump shotgun in the middle of the night, couple that with the surefire on the foregrip and its an outstanding home defense gun. Having lived down in Sierra Vista for awhile though, I can say I wouldn't be psyched about getting rid of an M4, put everyone has to make allowances AZ is just one of those places where you want to have a good carbine, just in case. Almost on topic-has anyone who used wood to floor their roofrack used rhino lining on it, and what was their experience with it over the long term? | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 807 Registered: 02-2002 |
Good Morning all, Isn't wonderful how one man's vision of beauty and function can bring so many so close. wow i just love America.... Ray..glocl now makes a single stack auto in several Cai. sizes. Reed.. yes that is a distinctive noises that when racked aimed and fired will leave an everlasting impression on you, this i know. and there are no real gun issues here in God's country! (thats midwest for you west cost fellas) mike w | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL Jack. My previous comments hold. I would rather have cardboard boxes than those fake wannabe McDowell's cases. You should have saved your money for the real deal. | ||
| RVR OVR (Tom) Senior Member Username: Tom Post Number: 772 Registered: 07-2001 |
Jack - I couldn't care less about Pelican vs. UK stuff. But, I have to ask. What is up with the pink straps? Tom | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 374 Registered: 02-2003 |
whoever it was that mentioned th cows and land issue, this hit home for me last year when i went hiking in utah near escalante. it was on BLM government land that i hiked. i was told by the dude from BLM not to dring or try to purify the water from the creek i'd be hiking in (spooky gulch i think it was called). he told me that there was a spring midway through the hike that i could use. fine. me and my friend hike this trail a ferw miles thru the desert and end up in a dry creek bed. thats when i became i'll. seems the free range cattle gather near the tiny streem and shit all thru the water. it was like a creosote creek. as the creek increased in size the more cow shit and pollution there was, no wonder why i can drink the water... i didnt even want to walk in it for fear it would destroy my boots. eventually we came to a maze where the cows could not venture further and the smell diminished but i definetly knew i want drinking the water. after thinking about it i came to the conclusion that it must be illegal. if i rented land from the government and my business resulted in the polution of the watershed i'd be paying big clean up fines and maybe jail time. why are the ranchers business allowed to pollute the creeks? | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 94 Registered: 01-2003 |
Ray- I have plywood on the back of the rack. I wish I though of Rhino linning when I put it on up there. As it is to look good, you have to refinish the plywood more times than a boat deck. Plus my passengers complain (Too loudly) that the rear sun roof isn't fun anymore. Next step, chicken-wire. Mike- Just the bolt sliding home is enough to freeze my blood, and get my brain saying "Feet! Don't fail me now!!!" When I was in highschool we used to cut through various orchards to get to friends houses. One night one of the owners took exception to this, and we got peppered with rock-salt. What a learning experience that was. For people looking for a better price on boxes - www.cases4less.com -Reed | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 375 Registered: 02-2003 |
roofrack folks. if you want a light roofrack and you are going to put some aluminum flooring (like ho's) on it, it will be much lighter with the correct steel used as you can have a lower overall wt/ft on the material because you can have a thinner wall while maintaining superiour strength. as for my rack greg it will be poweder coated shortly. flooring i am brainstorming. rd | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 66 Registered: 09-2002 |
Reed- Thanks for the warning, I get enough work finishing wood helping the in-laws with their house (almost done, just the hardwood floors to finish...well maybe we're not almost done) and oh yeah, their boat. I think I will be going with Rhino lining. As far as sunroofs go, mine don't open anyway and the wife doesn't care so I think I'm cleared to put whatever up there. Besides, if its solid I can put drain holes where I want and disrupt the leakage of the sunroofs as well! Mike W, I hadn't followed the Glock line in awhile, but the 36 looks interesting. One thing I like about the 21 is it shoots with the same recoil as a 9mm (to me) as compared to my 1911, which beats itself up a lot and seems harsher overall, I might have to look into another toy. -Ray | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2002 |
What the.... I tried to post on this page last night and it wouldnt let me. I had thought that the higher poweres had cut us off. Well then lets get down to biusness. John, your full of it. You would way rather have those cheep UK cases than a bunch of cardboard boxes in the back of your rover. Admit it John! Yes, I to like my Remington 870 pump with 21 inch barrel. On any extended trip I throw it in the rear cargo area. However, you cant make a shotgun fit in the genuine land rover gun box under the drivers seat (I hear these also double as a place to mount your cd changer). .45's are great, but even the 9mm has it's place. My next toy will be one of the new Kahr 9mm PM9. They only weight 16 ounces and are 5.3 inches long. That is just a little longer than the barrel of a full size goverment model. Cant beat it. Hmmmm.....lift the disco or get another gun? Decisions, Decisions. Taurus, I dont know about the auto's but they sure make a fine revolver as of late. Arizon sucks, the summer heat is akin to hell itself. Cow's on the other hand are great, very tasty. Roof rack flooring? If Andy at NorthWestParts.com would whip that welder a little more maybe I would have a roof rack to put some flooring on. I dont know about the chicken wire stuff. Maybe I'll just put some sheets of cardboard up there. LOL Bumper's, just imagine is every disco on the road came standard with D.'s bumper. Enough said. I'm probably gonna come back to this tread in a couple of days and the subject will be wildflower preservation or something. LOL Dan | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2003 |
Rob, I do not know if you are old enough to remember this, but I am going with it. Think old Miller Lite commercial, (taste great less filling). Roberto Duran Hispanic voice: "Don't Drink The Water". | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2003 |
Dan, It is a dry heat! Kind of like your oven on BROIL. You sissy. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 79 Registered: 04-2003 |
Arizon sucks, the summer heat is akin to hell itself. DANIEL COVACIU HAS NO BALLS it's only 107 right now... | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dan, Go to Parker on a holiday weekend. You wont realize how hot it is, too many distractions. You will need your Balls though....so go find them. :-) | ||
| Rick D (Fatmcnasty) New Member Username: Fatmcnasty Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2003 |
Reed the answer to getting the Taurus to feed right is to polish the feed ramp. Lately there has been some issues with the Glock frames cracking. Ill have to dig for the info on it since I do not service/work on/sell Glocks at my shop. There are ways to make a 1911 point naturally but they cost $$$. The US Special Forces are issued the SOCOM (HK USP .45 dressed up). The SEAL's don't like them too large and bulky. They are still using the Sig's by choice. I have concealed carried a Colt Delta Elite(Thats a 1911 chambered in 10MM for those that don't know)for many years. Just recently I have retired that gun in favor of the HK USP 45. Yep it a little bigger. But this is the first gun that I have not wanted to modify. Ok so what are the major differences in the Pelican case vs the UK ones.... Don't just say they are crap.. Whats the diff? Pelican=HK? UK=HI-POINT? Is this right??? | ||
| Mike Haun (Redrx7) Member Username: Redrx7 Post Number: 61 Registered: 04-2003 |
Which money markets should I invest into? What is other peoples experience with the ROTH's and the current economy? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 310 Registered: 10-2002 |
No one has yet to post anything technical which proves the superiority of the Pelican over the Underwater Kinetics. Just a lot of "I like..." I have posted the specs on UK and linked to their site. Someone prove to me that the Pelicans are better. I was skeptical when I bought the UKs because I was Pelican-brained, but now that I have them certain features make them better in my eyes and there is no way I would trade them. I have used both Pelicans and now the UKs and I prefer the twist latches and deeper ridges on the UKs. Pelican doesn't list structural loads. They do use a copolymer resin for the main body, which in some cases (ie a thin flat sheet) would be stronger, but to my knowledge the structural design of the UK with crossmembers and vertical components accounts for this. check out the pic of the truck: http://www.uwkinetics.com/CategoryDisplay_cgmenbr=91&cgrfnbr=834.htm They both meet the same mil-spec ratings (MIL-C-4150-J) according to the UK sales rep I spoke with on the phone. The O ring on Pelican is Neoprene while the O ring on the UK is a silicone. I believe silicone should be superior (non-pourous) but I'm sure neoprene works. so go ahead prove me wrong. show me what really makes them better and I'll believe you. Or is it just the name that does it? | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 808 Registered: 02-2002 |
well seeing that it is the Pelican that has us all speelbound, i will tell you this much, i bought a pelican brief case to carry my laptop. upon its arrival i fitted the foam to the size of my Dell. i looked thru the papers that came with the case and noticed an insert that is made for the laptop. well hey thats what i wanted so i called Pelican and asked if i could purchase this insert. i was told that there were none available seperatly but that they would see what they could do. about a week later i had a new case with the insert sitting on my desk. its bizzare, i didn't buy the case directly from them, they didn't charge me. these folks are aces in my book, it says alot about a company that cares that a purchaser is completely satified with their product that they will go completely ouot of their way to help them out. so if all things are equal customer services won my loyality. mike w | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 287 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jack , I cant talk about the UK cases other then saying that they look cheesy to me. I dont know what it is but Al and I talked about it when he got his. Something just dont look right there. But I can speak for the pelicans. I hear alot of people talk about how it keeps their shit dry , well ok , I would hope to christ they do , I mean that is the primary job , if they aint atleast doing that they need to be thrown in the garbage. The pelicans have earned their place with me because I dont carry them inside my truck. I carry them on the roof rack where they live a pretty harsh life. Its not all comfy and warm like riding inside the truck and the poor bastards get the living shit beat out of them. I have snapped off tree limbs as big as my arm with those damn cases and they have never let me down. They have been dropped , beaten , frozen , beaten and subjected to all sorts of violence to the tune of around , Hmmmmmm , 20K on my roof .... Something like that. Now as I said , I dont know if the UK cases will stand up to that or not. But do I really need to find out ? Match all this with replacement policy that is unmatched and you really just stop needing to think about any other cases... Whats the point ? Money ? If money is the deciding factor then you really arent all THAT worried about how the cases perform anyway.. Are you ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2003 |
Klye beat me to it...my peilcans also live on my rack, not inside, that's why I got them. I have 12k on with my cases...Also, I've shipped, carried, dropped, kicked, got rained on, snowed on, left sitting on the jetway and bounced off the ground, all kinds of equipment ,all around the WORLD and have never had a problem. The best thing is thier replacement policy...I still can't figure out what your carrying in all those cases... Frank | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 288 Registered: 11-2002 |
Exactly Frank , I think what the issue is here is that they arent doing anything with the cases. We see the same thing in talks about certain items on the Disco. If you arent using them to their potential then you never will see just how good they are. In those cases tupperware is probably just as good. I have heard noises come from the rack on a trail and though to myself "Jesus Christ that just ripped off half the roof" only to see that a few stickers got rubbed off a pelican and they got a little more character with the battle scars. I am interested to see just how long they last... Although I know replacement is just a phone call away. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 911 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yeah....tupperwear sucks really bad. Since I use it I know that for a fact. It realy is only one step up from a cardboard box. I see that green stuff on top of my truck and it is all crushed down cause I have to cinch it down so tight to keep it from flying off the truck. Hate the tuperware. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 781 Registered: 09-2002 |
Actually, Brian, I've almost managed to crush a pelican case with a ratchet strap (a cheesy ratchet strap at that). Not to say anything bad about pelicans, just that they all don't like diagonal load. i need to see a UK case by myself, you guys got me interested. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2003 |
Kyle (i like the rack by the way), 'nough said, been down that road too many times...LOL....I still really want to know what the hell he's carrying. I try really hard NOT to carry to much shit on a trip...regardless of the case. Tupperware does suck, but it has a use. I have two tubs, for inside to carry stuff that I don't want to get wet, or need in a hurry...all I can see is needing something out of the bottom case, on a cold,wet,muddy hill...because, as we all know, it will happen. Jack, please let us know how that hold up(seriously)... Frank | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 311 Registered: 10-2002 |
Kyle, That's a totally valid argument and I believe it. You have put your Pelicans to the test and they have come thru shining. I do believe that Pelican makes a good product, again I use one all the time at work and I am not very gentle with it. My point is only that the UK may be just as good. So far I can only show that the UK are as good on paper. I am happy with their design and pleased with their look. As of yet I haven't really put them to the test. After I've got a few years of use under my belt I hope to be able to make the same sort of testimonial that you made about the Pelicans. I can admit that before if the UKs had been more expensive (as they are many places online) I probably would have gone with the Pelicans based on name. As it was I got a really good deal on the UKs so I took the chance. But I didn't do it without some thought and research. At this point I am pretty darned confident that they will hold up just as well. I haven't heard a single "my UK fell apart on me" story and believe me I've looked. Again, time will tell and I'll be happy to pass the results along to Frank and others. Now that I have the UKs in my hands and can see what they are all about I just won't believe UKs=crap : because I said so and no matter how much anyone likes Pelicans it doesn't do anyone any good to claim that UKs are worthless just because they aren't Pelicans. I'm definitely worried about performance, but value also figures in. It's the same reason that I took the time to find an industrial supplier for my GRP bridges (granted you don't care for them). I didn't pay 400 bucks when I could pay 150. Also when my friend got his 4wheelair I saw that it was a catalina tank, so I went to Airgas and put together my own and got a mount. I kept the price well under 200 and it performs just as well. It would certainly be easier and save me a lot of time to just buy the most expensive product with the best rep and sometimes I do after a little research, but if I can save some bucks on something and still get the same performance it leaves me with money that I can direct towards other items. I couldn't find anything bad about UK, so now I've got them and I think they will be just as good. I'm willing to say I'm taking a risk, I'm just not willing to be called stupid without any concrete evidence. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 312 Registered: 10-2002 |
Peter, you're welcome to look at mine if you ever feel the need. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 315 Registered: 10-2002 |
Frank, Are you asking me what I'm carrying? If so, this isn't fully packed to capacity, I just have all the boxes in to plan how they fit. I like to put everything in the same place everytime after I've figured it out. That way I know where stuff is and I can pack and unpack more quickly. right now here's what's in it. 1622 (square one)= recovery gear in separate soft bag, jumper box, misc: small goodies 1622 #2=spare parts and spare fluids 1122 (rectangle)=all tools: hand tools and impact gun, both in separate CLC soft bags inside 1122 #2=empty (would be tent, sleeping bag, cooking utensils, stove, clothes etc) beige small case=camera black briefcase= misc items and docs. If I were all packed up for a trip the contents of the 1622s would be condensed into one to make room for food and water. Ideally with this layout my heaviest items are in the 1622s to center as much weight as possible and still keep it low. Of course I would rearrange for a cooler. I'd like to get an Engel now. Of course they have a billion advantages but at least from the asthetic standpoint, the UKs (in my eyes) look so good and squared away that a coleman cooler next to them would be kinda cheesy. And with what I saved on the UKs I should be able to afford it right? If I were hauling four people with the seats back in all of the cases will fit in the back or I can put stuff on the roof. I like to reserve the roof for stuff I only want up there and not inside. It's already pretty heavy with 5 lights, GRP bridges, 2nd spare, 2jerry cans, sheet of aluminum and a shovel. Obviously with the strapped hard case layout you lose the ability to access a lot of things easily, but everything is dry and protected (say if you flooded the truck) and in a roll it all stays put. I'd like recovery gear to be easy to get at, but it is also one of the more dangerous protectiles if it is just loose in its soft bag. what stuff do you keep in your pelicans and what do you put elsewhere? I'm curious to know. I think all of this planning and organizing is half the fun. Then when it all works smoothly on a trip I feel like a strategic mastermind. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Jack, On the rack, 4 Hella 4000's,dual rear work lights, spare, 4 pelican 1500's with recovery gear and tools(air impact, bottlejack, spare parts). Also on the rack is my hilift, shovel and sand ladders( I used expanded metal for the floor, but that's another endless stream of bullshit...LOL). And 4 inch pvc with spare axles, front and rear. No back seats, but 4 jerry cans for fuel, 1 for water. no Engel, just 2 igloo coolers for food, cold and dry. 2 co2 tanks, 2 BIG ASS North Face bags(7000 cu) for camp, cooking, other for clothes....that's it. Like I said, I REALLY try and travel light. all the stuff inside is racket strapped down, keeps the really heavy stuff(fuel and water)low to the ground... cheers, Frank | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 103 Registered: 01-2003 |
Now that the UK vs Pelican is settling down, here is some food for thought for those who think cardboard boxes are just as good. Many lives ago, I used to be a cruzing sailor, and even did yacht delivery work. One thing that we would never allow inside the boat was a cardboard box. If they had to come on board at all we would unload them in the cockpit, and carry the contents below for individual storage. The reason being that cockroaches love to lay their eggs in the corregations. After a while you find you have way too many friends on the boat. Since then, I keep an eye on the boxes that I have storing stuff in. I have found larve in some of the boxes that have gotten damp. So for me plastic crates, tupperware, or even garbage bags are better than cardboard for long term storage. Just my 2cts. -Reed | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 317 Registered: 10-2002 |
Frank, Interesting to see that we both use HAM. Glad to know you don't mess around. There's a pic in the Mojave Road gallery http://www.discoweb.org/mojaveroad/index.htm of me using a Yaesu handheld standing on top of the rover. That whole trip we were running 2m and the guy on the XR650 had a yaesu VX5R on his bike hooked up to his helmet. pretty geeky eh? | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2003 |
cool...can't beat it...just put a Icom 706MKIIG in the rig, playing in the HF world. Also have a dual band 2720...lot's of other "toys" from "work"...being a engineer has some perks(with a unbelievable amount of BS)... 73's frank | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Jack,just checked out the gallery, I like the Beratta, I have a 92f, also have a Sig 226, but the S&W .45 ACP lives in the rig... cheers Frank | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 494 Registered: 05-2002 |
Frank: Good to see you made the jump! Last I recall you were running some sort of tri-band. The 706 is a great radio and one that I truly miss. I traded mine for a Kenwood TM-D700A since I only play on the 70cm and 2M bands. I was under the impression that APRS and packet radio were the future. This may be the case, but not now. I like the 'wood and it is much easier to use than the 706, but the 706 is much more capable. Especially for HF use including CB & Air (with some illegal mods). The 706 rocks. I CCW a USP S&W.40, but who gives a crap? If I have a bullet of any caliber entering my torso I am likely in trouble. This would also apply to any bullet I place in a torso. In other words, I would rather have a Targus .22 than a knife. Hence, I am cozy with the HK USP .40 73's, Curtis KD7MMK | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 782 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jack, did I see them last night? peter | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2002 |
Peter, That was me alright. half of them were stacked where the seats would be in the back and the dog was in the rear. I was trying to find your cell number in the truck but you blazed off. That white RRC is pretty sharp looking with those skinny tires. I'd really like to see it clamber around sometime. Is that the one that has a detroit in the rear? Did you know it was me just cause I was going 55mph in the slow lane? | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 784 Registered: 09-2002 |
actually, don't laugh, but i knew it was you because of the sand ladders and other stuff you had on the roof rack. i caught a glimpse of the boxes, though! that white RRC is a total impulse buy, it doesn't have a single non-stock part on it, and there are no plans to build an off-roader out of it. It took me back from LAX in 1hr 22min - I couldn't have gotten close to it in the Disco! peter | ||
| Jens Störmer (Jenzz) New Member Username: Jenzz Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2002 |
1. I have no gun. Which should I buy? (if german laws wouldn't be so strict on that matter) 2. German beer is superior to mexican or american beer. Actually, we would not describe this stuff as beer at all. 3. Has anybody pictures of a rover that is painted like an illegal Cow??? (That should keep it going for a while, hehe) | ||
| Art Bitterman (Aardvark) New Member Username: Aardvark Post Number: 20 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jens- Agree with you that Amerirican beer sucks; but not on German Beer-Prefer a nice pint (or three) of British Ale! As for guns, it's ironic that the laws in your country restrict you from owning some of the products of your country-some of the best ever made. Mauser, Walther, H&K.... | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2229 Registered: 02-2002 |
I have no gun. Which should I buy? a) the best that you can afford b) depends on your needs c) depends on your preferences What would your use be? Hunting? Self-defense? Recreational shooting? Marksmanship? Do you need something carryable? Give us some info, and we'll see if we can offer some suggestions. -L | ||
| Jens Störmer (Jenzz) New Member Username: Jenzz Post Number: 38 Registered: 08-2002 |
Thanks, Leslie, but it was a pure rhetoric question. I guess all I could legaly buy would be some kind of sandblasting gun ;-) Ok, maybe if you use enough pressure, and the sand is rough enough... You know, since the forties we don't like weapons very much, we had our fair share of killing then. I have not finally decided what approach to the gun-theme is better: a) Everybody can have one, so good citizens have the chance to defend themselves or b) strict gun laws make it hard to get a gun, so less are circulating around. As we live an a rural area, I would sometimes like to have a Mossberg 12/76 on hand just for the case that some "unfriendlys" try to visit us. But then again, this is very unlikely, and even burglars are normally unarmed. After all I would say that less guns cause less deaths. But this is for Europe. You have such a huge number of privately owned firearms there in the US, I guess you can't turn the ship around. The wrong guys would have guns, and the good fellows wouldn't. But I'm not deep enough in that matter, I know this discussion goes on for years. Also, I didn't want to hurt anybodys feelings, but if so: flame me as Kyle would say. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2238 Registered: 02-2002 |
Fair enough! IMHO, the firearm is an integral part of America, whether people like it or not. If they don't want to own one, that's fine, they don't have to. And, I wouldn't categorize it as just a "European" thing to not have guns... look at your neighbor, Switzerland. They do well with them, IMHO. The only problem with firearms, IMHO, is that it is a responsibility to wisely posess them, and many people don't take that responsibility seriously. But just because they don't, I would hope that I wouldn't be punished along with them (by taking mine away). IMHO, FWIW...... -L | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 789 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jens, most German beers SUCK. In fact, most German brand name beers are worse than Sierra Nevada. peter | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2003 |
Peter, Try Sierra Nevada from the tap not the bottle. I have herd so much bitching about the bottle, and then these people try from the tap. UMMMMMMM BEEEEERR. Jens, Over here the German brands do not taste so good because of shipping etc.... There is one exeption and that is fresh Paulaner,(sp), from the tap at Limegrubers (sp) in Telluride. Stacey | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 565 Registered: 04-2002 |
wow, I hadn't looked at this thread in a while but since conversations seems to have turned to beer my new fav is Dos Equis AMBER w/ a lime, awsome on tap but still good in a bottle. Apparantly the story is that is was originally made by a German brewmaster in Mexico around the turn of the century, the Dos Equis (meaning two X's) is supposed to commemorate the beging of the 20th century. I don't know about all that hype stuff and how legit it is but the beer is great. I don't know why it took me so long to try it, guess I figured it would be like Corona (which CAN be good w/ the right food but isn't exactly great beer IMHO). | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 257 Registered: 08-2002 |
Corona is "hot day" beer. After cutting the grass on a 90+degree day nothing is better than a ice cold Corona with a twist of lime. Mmmmm...I'm actually looking forward to those hot lazy daze. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 790 Registered: 09-2002 |
Christopher, try Goesser (Austrian beer) instead of Corona. I believe Corona comes straight from Tijuana river. peter | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 210 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jens- It's interesting to note that even in a country (Germany) where you have to have alot of DM and belong to an elite hunting club to have firearms, they still have murders, shootings at schools, etc. Guys-EVERYONE recognizes german hops produce the highest quality pilsner-type beer. That's why Sierra Nevada (made in my home town of Chico, CA) and most domestic micro-brews use those same hops and aspire to German quality. Brit/Irish Ale/Stout is a different animal. THIS THREAD TAKES TOO LONG TO LOAD! | ||
| Art Bitterman (Aardvark) New Member Username: Aardvark Post Number: 21 Registered: 05-2003 |
What pisses me off the most is that Sierra Nevada wasn't around when I was attending Chico (majoring in partying!) back in 75. Suffered through many kegs of Bud and Miller! | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 110 Registered: 01-2003 |
Peter- I think your right about the source for Corona. IMHO - For the Mex. beers, I favor Pacifico for hot weather cooling. Bohemia with my Mole Poblano, and I would put Modelo Negra somewhere above San Miguel Dark. When I was first visiting Mexico, and the Baja Territories, Corona was only bought by Gringos trying to find the Mexican equivelent of Coors. Of course in those days we put the lime juice on the top of a steel Tecate can to kill the taste. Cause the beer was cheap. Of course if your hungry, have a Guinness -Reed | ||
| Stacey R Abend (Srafj40) Member Username: Srafj40 Post Number: 103 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greg, Time for a digital cable hook up. BAM! | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 258 Registered: 08-2002 |
Thanks for the tip Peter. I'll try a 6 pack. With lime or untainted? |
