| Author | Message | ||
     Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 178 Registered: 04-2003 |
99' D2 with 42,000 miles for $17,900. Includes heated leather, dual moonroofs, HK sound, warranty expires October 03', excellent condition. Looking to trade my 98' LE with 36k. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2003 |
no offence, but why on earth would you get rid of a D1 for a D2? They are worse off road for clearance in the rear, have problems with ACE and the rear airbags, they dont have a CDL, and depending on the model you cant even retrofit one. Put some $$ into your nice low mileage 98 and have fun!!!  Surely your LE has dual roofs and heated seats doesnt it? if not, you can cetainly add them and be way ahead in money. | ||
| Bob (Yomtov) Member Username: Yomtov Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2003 |
Get a 99 Range Rover 4.0 for that money. | ||
| Tripp Westbrook (Tripp) Member Username: Tripp Post Number: 146 Registered: 08-2002 |
Not that I have an opinion one way or the other, but he said his truck didn't have ACE and since it's a 99, engaging the CDL is a piece of cake. I just wonder why you'd trade for a car with higher mileage when they're not all that different to begin with. | ||
| Jason Bard (Jbard) Member Username: Jbard Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2002 |
Richard, where are you getting your information? As Tripp said, in 99 retrofitting the CDL is simple. As for ACE, I've never heard of problems with it. SLS, if you're going to do some serious off-roading I wouldn't recommend it. On road it's fine and haven't heard of any issues. There are many options for lifting an SLS equipped truck including swapping the bags for springs. Takes less than an hour to do. Dan, what's your reason for considering the D2? Do you plan to take the D2 off pavement? If yes, to what level? | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 180 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks for the input- I only drive moderately off road, and that's light dirt trails and hills. (houses being built everywhere makes it hard to find a good spot) My reason for wanting the D2 is to try and avoid the reliability issues when miles get higher. (Are D2's any more reliable with Bosch?) Where I live, there is a large market for LR's so I could not get a 4.0 RR for that price, but I could definitely sell my truck for good money. I bought mine exactly a year ago with 25k for $15,750. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1552 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dan, Your 98 LE has only 38K? Man.... keep that thing. There are folks on this board with huuuuuuge amounts of miles on there D1's. Just keep up the regular maintenance and the LE will be fine. Spend the extra cash from not buying that D2 on your LE! Richard, Have you wheeled in a D2? Inquiring minds want to know. Paul '00 Pig | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 94 Registered: 04-2003 |
ACE problems are all over the place.. just do a search. I have not memorized which models can have a CDL so shame on me for not knowing a 99 could, but still.. why retrofit it when you already have one in your D1? Airbags fail when offroading, springs dont.. so I wouldnt recomend them at all.. Compressors, air lines, bags... vs simple springs.. no contest.. I have not wheeled in a D2.. Why would I need to to have an opinion about them? They are not as capable without major modification like what Rob has done. One of my friends in our club here got rid of his D1 recently which was stock cept for a lift and bumper, and now in his wifes D2 he cant get up shit he used to walk up like slimshady in his D1.. and is regretting it bigtime. D2 owners will defend them till the end of time cause its what they own. They are great trucks, but not as offroadable as a D1 without more modification then it takes on a D1. Thats my only point. Rob has made a beautiful beast out of his D2, but he could have done it a little easier in a D1. Im not D2 bashing, well ok maybe I am, but only in regards to getting rid of a D1 for a D2. D2 vs anything non-rover, I would still get the D2. Dan, The engine in that D2 is the same as your D1, and Im 99% sure they are both Bosch unless the 98 LE got some bastard computer in it vs the other 97 - 99 D1's | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 650 Registered: 03-2002 |
Okay, 99-ACE-no-airbar-D2 guy here. Other than AT, no major problems with my rig. Bosch didn't get in the picture until 99 D2. No NAS D1s had it as far as I know. CDL installed in 4 hours (the hard one in the console), plus you got ETC. With CDL, ETC is pretty effective in some situations. Yeah, it's bigger, more complex, but get a basic model, slap some tires and protection on there and you should be able to keep up. ACE problems all over the place is a new one to me, mine's been flawless and has performed as advertised, though it groans a little these days. 'Course now I'm jinxed. That said, I'd stick with your D1 and take 1/2 of that cash and get a series rover, fix her up, and experience what a rover is really all about. | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 651 Registered: 03-2002 |
Oh yeah...Paul, go to bed. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 95 Registered: 04-2003 |
Michael. Are we talking about Bosch engine management computer? Its my understanding that the revisions made by BMW on the 96 1/2 3.9 (rev B?) and 4.0 distributorless engines is that they finally got Bosch engine management. That was the whole point. Now , i could be completely puffing purple smoke out my ass, but my ECU is removed so I could go check. Either way, same engine.. If someone has the whitepaper info on this please clarify it. Please dont think Im bashing the D2 , im not.. I just am trying to point out why I wouldnt want one if I already had a D1. | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 182 Registered: 04-2003 |
I'd probably be dead broke if I bought the D2 and sold my D1 (it's got 36k on it now). Thanks for the input, does anyone know which is typically more reliable between a D1 and a D2. Another reason i'm looking at this D2 is because it has a warranty. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1556 Registered: 02-2002 |
Richard wites: "I have not wheeled in a D2.. Why would I need to to have an opinion about them? They are not as capable without major modification like what Rob has done." It would be a good idea to drive one around. You might be surprised. I have a lot of friends with kick ass D1's and I have never been left behind while wheeling. The first time I wheeled the Pig, it was equipped with Bridgestone Dueler AT's and an ARB. Guess What, I made it everywhere they (D1 Crew) did. I am not saying the D2 is the Holy Grail of Land Rovers. But as a current production vehicle, it does pretty darn good. Paul '00 Pig | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 302 Registered: 02-2002 |
bosch never made an appearence on a D1. In 96 they went distributorless but it was not bosch until the 99 d2. if this guy is trading a 98 for a 99 d2 for the reason of increased reliabilty, he will be in for a surprise. There is no ACE epidemic either, although I think its safe to say that a rig without ACE would be better. IMHO, ACE is an unnecessary complication, but to each their own. | ||
| Jason Bard (Jbard) Member Username: Jbard Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2002 |
Also, keep in mind guys that not everyone is out to have a dedicated trail rig. There's alot to be said for a vehicle that is quite capable off-pavement yet still has the creature comforts of luxury and extra cargo space that the D2 has. I like the fact I can get out there and kick a trails ass without feeling like I got MY ass kicked! ACE equipped here as well and I have to say I've never had an issue with it even with 3" of lift. Performs superbly off road and handles pavement like it's on fucking rails. |
