| Author | Message | ||
     Jason McCombs (Jasonmc) New Member Username: Jasonmc Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2003 |
Hey guys do any of you know if it's advisible or even possible to get the oil changed at one of those jiffy lubes or oil changers or what ever stations? | ||
| Will Roeder (Will_roeder) Senior Member Username: Will_roeder Post Number: 647 Registered: 02-2002 |
yes, it is possible...why wouldnt it be? I almost always just do it myself though. I wouldnt go to Jiffy Lube though...I have heard of several problems with Jiffy Lube, including my aunt. She took her suburban to Jiffy Lube for an oil change, and they neglected to put oil back in the motor... | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 586 Registered: 04-2002 |
no, nobody can change the oil but the dealer. Bring it to them and then if they charge you anything under $100 thank them over and over. | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) Member Username: Norm Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hell no!!! I wouldn't take any car I cared about to any grease monkey in a box. This is where Burger King rejects find employment -- they all seem to have significant brain damage and can not follow the simplest instructions. They'll either overtighten or undertighten drain plugs, put in too much or too little fluid (or the wrong kind), etc., etc., etc. Do yourself a favor -- crawl under your truck and do your own lube jobs. It only takes an hour or two and you will better acquaint yourself with your Rover and its various leaks. ---Norm | ||
| Mike Bauer (Mikeb) New Member Username: Mikeb Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think Jiffy Lube can change your oil, but you might want to take some 'preventative measures' first: 1. Please get a really good filter and have them put it on for you. I like the genuine Land Rover ones and the one from NAPA (which is a Wix I believe). Get a new brass washer while you are at it. It is most certain that they will not have one big enough. 2. Be sure to check the oil afterwards to make sure it is filled up. A Disco takes more oil than most. Also, check for leaks for a couple of days afterwards. 3. The oil drain plug on a Disco is HUGE! Many places won't have sockets big enough to fit. To cover your bases, go and get the proper sized socket and carry it with you too. 4. Never, ever, let them sell you an engine flush of any kind. In my opinion, the oil system is weak on a Disco, so this kind of treatment is likely to do more damage than good. If you do this, I think that you will be just fine. Thanks, Mike B. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 240 Registered: 10-2002 |
My God, it is just an oil change. I take my disco to those places all the time. I've done the math on what it costs to buy a filter and oil and having it done only cost 7 or $8 more. And you dont make a mess on your driveway. Drain oil, add oil, change filter at some point. Is it really that hard? What really chaps my hide is how these places charge like $50 or $80 to do a •••••• service even though I think changing the •••••• fluid on these trucks is eaiser than the oil. I'll do this myself thank you. FWIW Dan | ||
| Jason McCombs (Jasonmc) New Member Username: Jasonmc Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2003 |
hey guys i didnt mean to sound stupid. I assure you i'm not. i guess i was just trying to find out what my options were. i just bought my disco and the oil was really low. and i wanted to get it changed soon. i topped it off and will either change it myself or find a place like a Jiffy Joint or and oil changer or something like that. Ill bue the right sized socket (what size?) and my own filter and i'll watch them and check it before i drive off. i do plan on getting under the truck and aquainting myself but i am super busy right now and don't want to let it go. | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) New Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2003 |
The only thing I hate about changing the oil on my Rover myself is that you can never position the drain pan just right under the plug because it's on the side. Never fails. The oil always seems to end up shooting straight out, then down. But, if you do use Jiffy, stand there and monitor them. Don't sit in the nice airconditioned waiting room and wait for them to finish. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 671 Registered: 10-2002 |
I agree with the points Mike Bauer stated. I usually do my oil changes, but I have taken my Rovers to quick change oil places before, especially when it's minus 10 and there are a few feet of snow on the ground! I usually stand there and watch them do it. I have found that since my truck is modded and different, the guys like to talk to me about it and seem to take extra care, because they know I'm into cars. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 244 Registered: 10-2002 |
I dont even have a socket that fits the drain plug. I use a big ass monkey wrench. It works fine. I'm with Luis. The first time I changed it myself I put my bucket under the oil pan. Pulled the drain plug and all the oil shot out to the side all over my driveway. I got a little of it in the bucket, but not much. It takes longer to clean up the driveway than to change the oil. It's Jiffy Lube for me. Dan | ||
| John Cronin (Jec) Member Username: Jec Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2003 |
Luis and Daniel: Put your oil drain pan up on a couple 4-inch high wood blocks, and that puts it closer to the height of the drain plug so you can intercept the oil stream that otherwise hits the tire. Started doing that on my second oil change 8 years ago, and it's worked every time since. John | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 800 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jiffy Lube... a thing of beauty. Whenever you bring a 4x4 there, you can't just change oil, you have to pay for a 4x4 service, that (supposedly including transmission, transfer case, axles, and driveshafts' lube). over a few years, Jiffy was real good to me. They - forgot to tighten up the drain plug on one vehicle (total loss of oil at 90mph in the middle of nowhere) - forgot to put in the oil filler cap in another vehicle (oil all over engine compartment) - forgot to check oil in the transfer case of #3 vehicle (blown t-case) - forgot to check oil in the diffs of #4 vehicle; denied the obvious for half an hour, then admitted it and ... backed it into another car on the lot. - every time my vehicle came out of it, it was all covered with greasy fingerprints. All that - besides the fact that you get half-recycled oil, and cheapest shit filter. However tempting it may be to bring your vehicle in and not having to wiggle around under the oil pan - don't do it. peter | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1619 Registered: 02-2002 |
I had a guy tell me that his MR2 is set on fire every time he takes it to Jiffy Lube! Apparently, the oil filter is above the manifold and in spite of his telling them about this and watching, they consistently set his car on fire. I change the oil on his Rover! | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) New Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2003 |
I do the simple, less time consuming stuff myself. Oil changes, plug changes, the like. Anything that I consider out of that box, like transmission, I have the dealer do simply because I want it done right (hopefully), and backed up. What I save on DIY stuff, covers the higher dealer cost of maintenance over what I would save on letting Jiffy do and screw up. Been that route before. | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 139 Registered: 01-2003 |
Luis- Actually, when you unscrew the drain plug or the oil filter, you should have your elbow over the drain pan, because your forearm is the first thing the oil is going to run down.  -Reed | ||
| Tim (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 448 Registered: 12-2002 |
A big-ass funnel right at the point of oil ejection helps also. It should direct the oil correctly into your container. Hopefully you are recycling your old oil! | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Senior Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2002 |
If recycling means coating the driveway, than yes.  | ||
| Sonny (Sonny) New Member Username: Sonny Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
According to 2002 DII manual, you are supposed to drain and replace the oil before changing the filter to prevent loss of prime. I doubt Jiffy Lube would do this unless you specifically instructed them to. | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) New Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2003 |
A tip I learned from a fellow racer one time regarding the removal of the filter after draining and before refilling the engine with oil. Before spinning on the new oil filter, pore fresh oil into the filter. As far as loss of prime, I can't see where that may make a difference. You still loose that oil when you remove the filter regardless of when you remove it. | ||
| Refuse Badminton (Nobadminton) New Member Username: Nobadminton Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2003 |
I've learned to unscrew the plug just to the end. Then, with a glove on, I turn it just a little more and hold it in place while holding the drain pan up to it, so it doesn't shoot as far. Then as it lessens I put the pan on the ground. Jec idea sounds like it would make it that much easier but I'm not that sensible. | ||
| Todd Nash (Nash) New Member Username: Nash Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2003 |
My dad took his convertible to Jiffy Lube once. They forgot to put the plug back in ---> but they did buy him a new engine after his blew up. | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) Member Username: Norm Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2003 |
Helpful Hints from Helloise-- You can always do like the "pros" at Jiffy Lube do -- stick a stiff piece of cardboard in front of the sump drain plug and fix it so that it deflects the spurting oil down into the drain pan. Another secret technique that I've perfected over the years is to unscrew the drain plug until it's almost out (just bleeding a little) and then spin it off with a flick of the finger so the scalding hot oil doesn't drain down my wrist, forearm and elbow. "Mechanics Gloves" are a bonus so you don't roast your finger tips. | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) New Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2003 |
Tried the cardboard trick once myself. The oil shot out so hard that it knocked the cardboard out of the way. Even tried elevating the right side of the car about 5 or 10 degrees to put a more downward angle on the drain plug. At best, that just helped get more of the sediment out of the bottom of the oil pan more efficiently. I'll try raising the catch pan to just under the plug next time. | ||
| Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Senior Member Username: Jkatka Post Number: 258 Registered: 02-2002 |
I made a little catch by cutting up a 1 gallon plastic milk carton. I cut off the bottom and a u shape down the opposite side of where the handle is. I just let the drain plug fall when draining the oil as the drain plug is too big to go through the spout of the milk container so it is caught in the milk "funnel" Nice thing is that the funnel is disposable. JK | ||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2003 |
Our equivalent to Jiffy Lube are a bunch of hillbilly morons. Good thing I read the manual with regard to the filter being changed after the oil was replaced, they had no clue. After I drove away I heard noises in the engine compartment and found that the entire air filter assembly was off it's rubber mounts and bouncing off the serpentine belt. At first I thought it was good of them to check it and let me know that a replacement was in order - apparently it wasn't so good. Also they neglected the lube job I requested and my cv's were found to be completely depleted of grease after noticing clicking sounds from the passenger side when turning - I have had to replace a cv since - bastards! Trust no one Jason - even the simplest jobs get fucked up. They do so many oil changes in such a short period of time that it is easy for them to make mistakes - Jason, avoid Jiffy Lube or watch every step they make which is hard to do when they are down in the pit. Fast food, bandaid joints. (my .02) | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 137 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Nothing stains your driveway better than a 300Tdi, hot oil hits the front anti roll bar and bounces everywhere, even with the biggest drain pan, it then creeps along the bottom of the tube, and deposits it all over the place, this is not a job for your own driveway, and I wont go into draining down the oil cooler! Learn to do it yourself, or ask at your local garage/ dealer if you can get under with them and look and learn. Pete S | ||
| Gary Sherman (Sbts1) New Member Username: Sbts1 Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2003 |
A good alternative that I found is a truck and RV center. They seem to have the competency and equipment to handle most issues and don't look at you like your speaking Greek when you mention something like making sure that they grease those places on the driveshaft. | ||
| Tony Zuniga (Tony23007) Member Username: Tony23007 Post Number: 63 Registered: 05-2003 |
In my opinion it all depend on the shop you are going too. I take my Rover to a similar place like Jiffy Lube, when I get there though I make sure that they know what they are doing, talk to the mechanic, tell him not to even bother checking the air filter because they will not have it in stock. Check the fluid yourself, make sure they show it to you, make sure the plug and filler cup are in place and are tight. If your mechanicaly inclined chaning your own oil is a good idea but who's to say you will not mess up as well. There have been many times where I've tried to fix my car and messed something up in the process, at least in cases where someone else does the work for you if they mess up you can at least try to make them fix it, if you mess up yourself you definitely have to pay for your own mess ups. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2003 |
I like changing my own oil so much that I have made a game out of it with my buddies. Round 1....Place bets on if you will get more oil on the driveway......or in the drain pan. Round 2....while under the truck, we play identify the type of oil leak...bonus round...see if you can actually guess where the oil is coming from. Round 3....see if you are flexible enough to get the oil off your back (you know the oil that runs down your arm and around your back while you tried to get the drain plug off). A quick note: if you can't get the oil off yourself, it will stay on your back. ONLY RULE IS>>>NOBODY TOUCHES ANYBODY ELSES BACK IN THE GARAGE. BEER,MOTOR OIL, AND GUYS TOUCHING DON"T MIX<<<< OIL CHANGE.....Not only necessary, but fun to play with your friends too. The winner gets to try to screw the the new oil filter on and see how much new oil he can pour all over himself. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Senior Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 264 Registered: 10-2002 |
See, one of the cool things about going to Jiffy Lube is that you can run the truck real hard before hand to make sure the oil is really hot. Then while waiting in the little break room I'm snickering thinking about that hot oil splashing all over the monkeys in the pit. | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) New Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2003 |
Go to your parts store and get a big funnel with a screen. Poke some holes in it to allow oil to drain faster from funnel yet keep the plug from going down funnel throat. I have not spilled oil yet however my truck does a fine job of that. | ||
| Bruce Mac Lennan (Bmac66) Member Username: Bmac66 Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2002 |
Bill, you've obviously had a bad experience in the past with beer, oil and guys touching :-) Bruce - I don't go for that shit either. | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 131 Registered: 01-2003 |
You know, the dealer isn't all that much more than Jiffy Lube just for an oil change. And you get a service wash and a loaner. Around us, Jiffy Lube is $34.95 for an "SUV" oil change, including 4 qts. Add 3 more quarts, and you are already over the $49.95 we charge, and you aren't getting a genuine filter & washer. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Senior Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 270 Registered: 10-2002 |
DAMN! $49.95 for an oil change? I paid $27.95 at the local jiffy lube last time and I thought that was a rip off. I always used to take it to Walmart for the $15.74 oil change but the line is always really long. At $15.74 it was about the same price as to do it myself. But if it cost $50 to have the monkeys doin it than I would be under the truck myself, wallowing in the hot oil. | ||
| trevor griffiths (Trevorgriffiths) Member Username: Trevorgriffiths Post Number: 110 Registered: 11-2002 |
here is my 2 cents worth: I own an independant shop that specialises in Land Rovers as well as other British motorcars. A Genuine oil filter and 6.5 quarts of Castrol, lube on the driveshafts, checking all fluid levels including sph grease, all tire pressures, including the dismantling of the spare tire covers, brakes, exhaust, valve cover bolts, oil seperators on 96 and newer engines, rotoflex, panard rod bolts and tie rod ends. I do all this for two reasons: 1)I want to be thorough for the customer's sense of value for the money and keeping the vehicles original feel, 2) i want to sell more repairs. Maybe the last one is a no-brainer, but it is why I am in business- to maintain and repair automobiles to the best of my abilities and to make a profit (even if i do funnel it back into the Disco and 2 Rangies!) I charge $60 for my oil services. | ||
| Jason McCombs (Jasonmc) New Member Username: Jasonmc Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2003 |
ok guys i've got my genuine LR oil filter, and crush rings , LR air filter and 8 qts of Amsoil coming in the mail tomorrow from Rovers North. so im gonna get my coveralls on and get dirty. im gonna fab. myself one of those milk jug oil catch funnels as described by Jeremy Katka. so wish me luck. | ||
| Jason McCombs (Jasonmc) New Member Username: Jasonmc Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2003 |
hey any one on here ever seen, or own one of these babies? http://www.difflock.com/cgi-bin/wm10/wm10_02606/st/ws20_9800/main/browse.cgi?fin al_pick=y&cust_cat=Drainplug@@@Land-Rover&cat_cat_max=&cust_id=105645&in_store=5001&cust_cat_index=4&pick_fl ag=y&setup_value=1&cleanup=n&item_id=DF45_2 |
