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Author Message   Joe Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:16 pm:    Ok people......I have a buddy who just bought a Grand Cherokee (I OWN A 98 DISCO I)and I'd like him to see input from you people as to WHY Rovers kick the crap out of Jeeps!! BUT.....let's list intelligent, viable data and stats to prove this guy wrong. The more detailed information you list, the easier it will to shut this dope up!! And...........BEGIN!!   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:22 pm:    joe, even with all the data, it's still all talk.   Moe (Moe) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:25 pm:    Damn Ho, where is that data? Finally we can prove this once and for all   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:30 pm:    when i see cherokees like these, i get discouraged about talking much...   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:40 pm:    *YAWN* Go through the archives and read the previous postings with the exact same starting question.   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:46 pm:    you guys mean there isn't a scientific formula that proves disco's are better than cherokee's? Honestly if you have enough time to explain to your friend why your truck is better than his you need to go get a second job or something. Plus you obviously have no clue since you have to get other people to tell you reasons your truck is better.   PerroneFord Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:49 pm:    Disco's are great offroad. Jeeps are great offroad. The Jeep Grand Cherokee with three limited slips may walk away from a stock Disco offroad depending on the situation. This argument really is pointless as both vehicles are more capable than most drivers who'd argue the point. And you can modify both of them to the sky and back (more so for the Jeep). As Ho pointed out, It's hard to talk up the Disco (or any other LR) when the JGC in front of you is running 35x12.50s, locked on two ends, and has a guy in the seat who been wheeling for 20 years. -p   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:58 pm:    the simulated wood grain dash on the JGC sucks even worse than the simulated wood grain dash on a Disco (why is wood such a big deal that we feel we have to simulate it?) -Blue 96 with no wood thank God   Moe (Moe) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:02 pm:    Yeah, that describes the last Cherokee I followed. He was one of the nicest fellas I've met on the trail, helping guide the Disco safely through the tough spots. There is no way my locked Disco could go toe-to-toe with his Cherokee on those trails. There would be too much carnage.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:06 pm:    Hey Joe - slap the same (or similar) tread-pattern tires on his JGC and your Disco, and go hit the trails. You lead for a while, then he leads. You drive the Disco for a while, then trade. There's you data. For what it's worth, I had a non-Grand 1996 Cherokee and I dug it the most. I was all excited to trade-up to a Grand...until I climbed into one and drove it. I still don't see what's so grand about them (besides the sticker price). And the wood dash is supremely cheap & pathetic   Joe Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:09 pm:    Carter Simcoe..........you Arizona desert trailer rat......you need to trim down your fucking attitude, don't feel that safe behind a fucking keyboard, you are MUCH more accesible than you think or are aware of you ignorant loud mouth!!!!! Fucking 20 year old cock sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry to have bothered you all!!!! Reimind me to never throw a log on the fire again. Thought it would have been funny to bust my friend's balls with some ADDITIONAL input from an outside source......aside from JUST me rubbing it in. And of course you people go and get all rightous about shit.   Mel A. Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:30 pm:    Disco pros: Lower low range Better flex (marginally) Center diff lock Thicker frame More luxurious Grand Cherokees pros: More powerful engine Better fuel economy 3 limited slips More aftermarket support Cheaper If you put the same driver in both SUV's, the Disco will probably have the edge. I think that the GC will do better in the mud. You might want to talk to more "seasoned" off-roaders, i'm just a kid   isaac Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:35 pm:    so much anger!. . . i think the collective message is, and apparently sorely needed: when you gonna grow up? personally, i don't give a rat's rectum what someone shows up on the trail or the mall with. perhaps you should take a chill pill and relax there for a bit buddy - or are you going to call me a cocksucker too? what was the expression above? yeah - that was it . . . fwiw - isaac   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:56 pm:    simma down there Joe the best truck in the world won't do shit unless it's driven...it'll just sit there idling. So to determine which is better, you have to factor more into the equation than just bigger/better parts. That's why I'd hit the trails with the JGC and play around for a day. -Blue, an Arizona desert trailer rat that would eat your pussy for breakfast if you so much as give me an ounce of your shit, boy. We cool?   Jay Hobbs (Jayxd) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:02 pm:    Well, the wife's car is a 2000 JGC Laredo all stock with the Up Country Pkg., limited slip in the rear and Selec-Trac 4x4. I've offroaded in it a few times when it was mine and it does pretty damn good. Went everywhere I wanted it to go, mostly. The 99 JGC I had with a V8 and Quadra-Drive 4x4 was a monster. Powered me though all kinds of mud and slop without thinking about it. Haven't got the Disco on the trail yet but did a good bit in my RR on all different trails than the Jeeps. Couldn't sit here and say the Jeeps wouldn't be able to handle the same trails as the RR just as easily as much as I want to. The main advantage in a RR or Disco is visibility. You can see where you are going and need to be much, much easier. Also, I think a RR or Disco is generally better designed for off-road driving and I feel more comfortable in one. Once you start mods however it is up to what you do to the vehicle and how well you can use it. Just my opinions though.   Ali Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:19 pm:    Why can't we ALL just get along?   Buy whatever makes you happy Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:20 pm:    All i nows bout JGC is wot my fiend wid one tell me. he only wint off road when he blue a tire. he sell it now cos it got 60k on and is bout to fall apart and cost im lots of munny.   Jarrod Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:37 pm:    I think it is more accurate to say "So much testerone and keyboard muscles (very similar to beer muscles)" instead of "so much anger".   David Dryden (David914) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:40 pm:    Yeah, I can't understand why some people on this forum get pissed off so easily. The guy asked a simple question! If you're that pissed off at the world, then maybe you oughta be hangin' out on a psych' forum somewhere instead of here. GOOD GRIEF MAN! Take a chill pill!   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 07:04 pm:    Hey joe, your the one talking with the vocabulary of a trailer park inhabitant. The whole my truck is better than yours argument is really pointelss anyway, just go have fun with whatever you drive.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 07:09 pm:    >"The guy asked a simple question!" hmmmm...did he? what kind of "intelligent, viable data and stats" are there? Everyone has heard the "I got solid axles and low range and big tires" argument and my point is that it doesn't mean a damn thing when you're comparing two obviously competent vehicles. I'd suggest amassing your own real-world data and then making your own call.   Moe (Moe) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:16 pm:    real world data Please, we are only looking for viable data--speculation, hersy, and folk legends will work just fine.   p m Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:28 pm:    Joe, I had a pleasure of pulling a JGC sitting axle-deep in sand at Pismo with my Disco. another bonus point is that this very JGC has been rear-ended twice, once by a Bronco-II (no damage to the Bronco, frame machine for JGC), another time by a lil' Honda (honda beat up good, but JGC out of service for a month. It has never been the same after the 1st hit. My rangie has been rear-ended three times since that new year, and has no scratch on it (where it was hit, that is). it's just a shame that jeep put a bunch of decent engines and three tight limited slips together with an ugly body made out of jello and cheap shit axles (unless one orders his with at least rear 44). 27" tires don't help a whole lot, either. peter   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:53 pm:    "Carter Simcoe..........you Arizona desert trailer rat......you need to trim down your fucking attitude, don't feel that safe behind a fucking keyboard, you are MUCH more accesible than you think or are aware of you ignorant loud mouth!!!!! Fucking 20 year old cock sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!! " We don't take kindly to threats here, watch your mouth please... Carter posted his entire name with his post, does that sound like he's 'hiding behing his keyboard' I think not... your attitude could use a little trim there as well... If you have to post this sort question just to 'show-up' someone else, then you obviously have no idea... To answer your original question- "Why Rovers kick the crap out of Jeeps?" simply put, they don't... There are way too many variables to consider: Driver experience... (probably the most important) vehicle setup...(including which JGC the guy has) tires (tread pattern, pressures, how much usable tread is left etc...) the list goes on and on... Rephrase your question to: I have no clue, so could you guys please tell me? Some more seat time off-road will answer your question better than anyone else can... FWIW-   Anonymous Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 01:29 am:    jeeps are just as capable as Land Rovers and can follow Land Rovers anywhere as long as the jeep is being pulled on a trailor behind the Rover   Mike Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:33 am:    Joe, I'll tell you why Rovers are better. It's the class of the owners (for the most part). That outburst of anger and gutter level posting might be common on other off road sites but it's rare on this site.   Curtis Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:02 am:    Joe, There is no good answer to your question. You can argue all day long with your buddy, but until you get out and wheel it is all talk. It will all come down to the driver. I would suggest that you tone yourself down a little bit. I do not know either you or Carter, but his posts come accross much more mature than yours. If anything, I hope that you don't act like that in person. It would be a recipe for a good ass-kicking. Curtis   David Dryden (David914) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:27 am:    Craig & Mike, Couldn't have said it better. David   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:41 am:    joe, there are two reasons why you're not getting the answers you want. 1)Apparently most people here don't think a Disco will kick a JGC's ass off-road, especially if they're both modified. They drive them because they like them. 2)This issue has been debated endlessly on just about every 4x4 forum on the internet. If you want to show up your friend, then go show him. Otherwise, it's just so much blah blah blah!   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:32 am:    "Otherwise, it's just so much blah blah blah!" niall, you are so right! mike w   muskyman Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:57 am:    buy it beat it break it have fun web wheelin sucks....it always goes back to the same this vrs that shit   Joe Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:25 am:    Some of you guys are thick in the fucking head....I SWEAR. I DO have a clue why I personally think the Disco is better. I have been simply and innocently ribbing my buddy about it.........you know.....a bit of fun ball busting?? OF COURSE you can take many factors into consideration you fucking morons!! JESUS CHRIST this got way too out of hand!! I thought it would have been funny to KEEP joking around with him and show him what my fellow Rovers thought as well.....NEVER thought you would have come to his aid!! He's my friend, and I was simply busting his balls a bit....DO...YOU...UNDERSTAND ....THAT?? My God, some of you people are thick!!!! And I CERTAINLY DO know why I think Disco's are better, just wanted him to see a list of what EVERYONE else thought so I could show him OUTSIDE opinions!!!! Are we clear??? huh??? BY THE WAY......MUCH MUCH thanks to all of you who understood this from the start of this thread and responded accordingly.....obviously your common sense told you this was suppose to be a playful thing meant to spread the "ball busting" world-wide to my friend....you know, some fun?? Additionally...MY FULL NAME IS JOE D'Azzo for that fuck face that feels revealing your full name is heroic or some shit.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:30 am:    joe, you pissed? LOL   Jarrod Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:37 am:    You don't work in any Post Offices in the Denver area do you??? (no offense to less "postal" disco postal workers on the web)   Greg Davis Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:40 am:    Joe, Disco's are better 'cause they come in prettier colors. How's that? There's some more ammo for you!   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:44 am:    i think he just overdosed on some Fen-Phen or something. this is good stuff. go buy a stress ball or something.   Joe Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:49 am:    naahh, I'm not pissed at all.......a bit frustrated at the level of miscommunication or combativeness of some people in here. Folks seem very very quick to wanna box a few rounds in here. Some people need to remove thier wrenches from their puckered A-holes and enjoy this a bit more. Simple, fun question I asked. Was looking for a simple, fun answer.   Mitch Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:50 am:    Why are we arguing with each other? The only people jeepsters should be having words with is their own manufacturer... NEW YORK April 16, 2002: 11:20 AM EDT (CNN/Money) - DaimlerChrysler recalled several Jeep models Tuesday, saying that the engines may collect debris that could lead to fires. The Auburn Hills, Mich.-based automaker asked for the return of Jeep Wrangler models from 2000 to 2002, Jeep Cherokees made in 2000 and 2001, and Jeep Grand Cherokee models from 1999 to 2002 with 4.0 liter engines. The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said the engine's air passages were designed in such a way that debris could accumulate over one cylinder, creating the possibility of a fire. The latest recall comes amid several efforts by Chrysler to improve its quality and reputation among consumers. It brings the total number of vehicles recalled by Chrysler in the past four months to about 3.3 million -- far more than the company will sell in the United States this year. Chrysler said the recall affects 182,044 Jeep Wranglers, 293,968 Jeep Cherokees and 639,310 Jeep Grand Cherokees. The latest recall follows a February recall for 1.6 million Jeep Grand Cherokees to fix what hundreds of owners said was a tendency for the vehicles to roll backward when their transmissions appear to be set in "park."   Steve Czadaeck Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:52 am:    Joe, Have you ever considered turning over all that hostility into something useful? I would suggest building your rover to outrageous proportions and go run over a bunch of JGC's at the mall just to show your little corner of the world that you are indeed, king shit. I guess you find it easier to lash out at people you don't have to see or risk retribution from. Ever even driven in the dirt? Or would you be afraid to get it dirty? I'll bet you've never even pushed a vehicle enough to roll it. Hey Joe, ever gotten any air? Or are you worried that you'll need to pay a premium for sheet metal when your lease is up. Joe, you are a perfect example of the trash-trolling scum that has given the internet a bad name. Please leave us alone and beat go out and beat up homosexuals or your girlfriend or puppies. Make yourself feel like a real man. Just go away. Steve Cz   Joe Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:01 pm:    STEVE CZADAECK............... Afraid to risk retribution?? My God friend...I would absolutely and positively LOVE to seek out some "retribution" from you. I could only HOPE you live near to me........I would even travel to some degree simply for the funny and lasting life memory of doing this just to beat you in the face until your skin fell off you, dick. So, let me know where you live and maybe I'll make a weekend out of it. See the sights in your area, beat your ass, have some dinner and head home.   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:01 pm:      gil Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:03 pm:    ouch.. talk about a ridiculous thread. This "my truck vs. your truck" stuff is so old. we all like trucks, we all like dirt.. the guy asked why is one better than the other? ya know what though, in what came off as a trailer trash tirade, he made a good point. that point was... relax! not only is this just a bulletin board, but its a bulletin board about 5000 lbs hunks of metal that go thru dirt. I mean come on. oh and joe.. tell your friend that your disco is better because its YOUR disco..   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:07 pm:    it's just a shame that jeep put a bunch of decent engines and three tight limited slips together with an ugly body made out of jello and cheap shit axles (unless one orders his with at least rear 44). 27" tires don't help a whole lot, either. peter That's pretty damn funny Some people need to remove thier wrenches from their puckered A-holes and enjoy this a bit more. that's funny too...on so many different levels...   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:11 pm:    ok , A Jeep is the Mechanical equivalent to a Hot Dog..... Its got some parts from here , some parts from there.... The electronics blow goats. They are a pain in the ass to work on.... And , as Greg Mentioned , you just dont have the pretty colors that Land Rover has... Kyle   SteveCz Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:19 pm:    Joe, you ball busting sack of guts... You wrote that you were... "a bit frustrated at ... combativeness of some people in here. ...seem quick to wanna box a few rounds in here. Some people need to ...enjoy this a bit more." Joe, dude, Take your own advice. "Simple, fun question I asked. Was looking for a simple, fun answer." Bigfootin' over some J##P's at the mall sound's like fun to me. Come on by. Grand Rapids, MI. We just got a new concealed carry law in Michigan to keep a guy like you in line. Hope to see you soon. We can do some mud and clay wheelin'. Tight trail stuff that ends in dead lakes. I'll let my wife drive so you can keep up. Hugs and Kisses, Joey Steve   SteveCz Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:21 pm:    I'm done, Joe. You can have the last word. Steve   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:29 pm:    Here's the latest from the Media, Enjoy: http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/16/pf/autos/jeep/index.htm   Jarrod Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:49 pm:    Sorry Steve, but it sounds slightly "retarded" to go on ranting and raving about how somebody else is out of control. Ritalin all around!! ; )   SteveCzadzeck Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:55 pm:    Thanks. I apologize. That can't be good for the ticker... I'll go ouside and take a few deep breaths. Anyone here know CPR? Scz   Jarrod Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:58 pm:    As luck would have it I am an EMT! ; )   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:59 pm:    repeat after me: "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick some ass......and i'm all out of bubble gum!" ~roddy piper~   p m Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 01:45 pm:    Carter, LOL! Kyle, rovers used to get parts from whoever had'em, too. And they shared quite a few parts. peter   alhang Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:22 pm:    "A Jeep is the Mechanical equivalent to a Hot Dog..... Its got some parts from here , some parts from there.... " I agree that Jeep parts have peculiar design specs but the rover is basically a basketful of parts from everywhere. Motor, Buick based or at least used to be. I think the older heads from the 60's actually outflow the newest Rover heads on the 4.6(I know you love the General, just admit it!) Trannies from Chrysler, Rangies use the torque-flite. The ZF 4 speed is commonly used by BMW and Volvo. And I think the first prototype and the first few production runs of the series 1 was actually built on a CJ's frame. The electronics blow goats. LOL! Kyle meet my friend Lucas, Lucas meet my friend Kyle....   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:44 pm:    Al , you obviously dont know Jeeps . A Heep Distributor is an amalgimation of three different brands. Its like you threw a Ford distributor , a GM distributor and a "Christ!ler" distributor into a grinder and assmebled what came out into one "working" unit. The whole damn thing is like that and its annoying as hell. The bastards also laugh at you before they start. Letme tell you , after sweating away under the hood for 7-8 hours , that god damn laughing can be the straw that breaks the camels back...... Dont get me started on vacum leaks and parts flying out.... Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:47 pm:    Hmmm...electronics? I was not amused last week when I started my Disco 2 days from nowhere out in the high desert and half the electronics remained off. Did it on me a couple of times...but then fixed itself like all mysterious things electronic. once you get past the pretty colors argument, things get dicey...   Brian Jackson (Nerover) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:55 pm:    They do laugh at you...   alhang Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:55 pm:    hehe, the lucas distributor can fall apart if you pull on the rotor too hard. who's bright idea was it to make a 2 piece distributor held by c-clips? I'm NOT defending the jeep, it just that british engineering (or lack there of) has little to be desired. I can't get over the fact you used "amalgimation" in a sentence. you are definitely the renaissance redneck.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:56 pm:    Blue ? Al here knows better then anyone about the Jeeps in certain situations. Al , should I remind you of the TJ incident? Tell the folks about TJ day and what hapened..... Kyle   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 02:57 pm:    All , all distributors are assembled that way..... Kyle   alhang Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:11 pm:    never heard of that being on a problem on any other dist. but then again i didn't work on cars for a living. I also thought it was the shaft that was in 2 parts, being held on together by c-clips not just the gear. Yes, the TJ incident. With the right driver a stock 4 cylinder TJ can wup your ass. Basically a hill climb near kyle's house proved to be impossible for both me and him, but another guy with a bone stock TJ, sway bars on and 235/75/15 inch all terrains climbed it first try out. Needless to say kyle was pissed....   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:33 pm:    LOL , yes , that absolutely happened , although I wasnt that pissed , that little bastard had done it numerous times before. I am speaking of them time when you got stuck and the TJ came to the rescue... How exactly did that go? Kyle   p m Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:49 pm:    lemme tell you Kyle, motorcraft distributor and ignition box are the second next thing after winning CA lottery. I just love'em. I may have three or four dead motorcraft ignition boxes laying around, just can't force myself to throw'em out. let me put my list down: - AMC engine - Ford ignition - GM transmission and all steering gear - Borg Warner transfer case - Dana axles - and Brooks Stevens' body on top of it. just everyone else's parts peter   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:53 pm:    there is more engineering in a budweiser can than was in the distrib of my 96 Cherokee. I think an empty bud can weighs more, too, and is more durable I, too, was rescued by a wrangler when I got a little too deep into a watering hole...but I'll never admit it.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:04 pm:    Blue , Al wasnt rescued. The TJ owner ignored my advise and hooked on. After he hooked on I ended up recovering a broken TJ and a Stock Rover.... Peter , you dont know enough about other cars to know how mixed up your crap is.... The motorcraft part of that Distributor is the only decent part. That god damn ignition system as a whole is a miss matched bunch of crap.....Yes,,,,I pretty much hate em.... Kyle   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:05 pm:    oops , stuck Rover..... The Rovers drove out under thier own power , the TJ didnt..... But , that one did make that hill climb we couldnt,,,, Kyle   p m Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:19 pm:    i've given up sorting it out, Kyle all i want is a MSD or Mallory HEI-style distributor.. in both jeep and rangie. peter   Brad Bradford (Brad) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:59 pm:    I love this stuff, i haven't heard people argue like this since six grade. Seriously though i think some of you people need to grow up and get a life. I don't know about you but i don't sit and argue about stupid shit that can be easily sovled by hitting a good trail I say quit talking shit and do something about it.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:01 pm:    damn, that's a great idea...wish I had said that earlier   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:02 pm:    But Brad , now you are talking as well...... ... Whats the difference ? Doesnt it feel good to be ale to just say what you like ? The rest of these folks have the same freedom..... Kyle   alhang Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:49 pm:    Peter, you can run a mallory unilite in the rangie if you want, supposedly bolts right in. yes the TJ blew a u-joint that day, i felt kinda bad too cause he just wanted to help out. that and his TJ was almost brand new... you should of seen the look on his wife's face, it could only be described as restrained anger.   Matt M Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:09 pm:    The initial question may have been a pile of crap, but it's been a fun 1/2 hour reading all the replies :-) Does anyone reckon this guy even owns a Disco ? He's probably 33, going on 13, bragging to his school mates about the car he's gonna get one day. Go on, call me a cocksucking homo too, big boy ;-) Fight, fight, fight !!! Matt.   Norm Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:11 pm:    I got high-centered in the muck last weekend -- fortunately, no jeep people caught me "with my pants down" so I didn't have to live through the indignity of having a jeep pull me out. Thank God for my neighbor and his Hummer...   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:36 pm:    Alhang, I am not sure if it has been resovled but the Mallory's offerd up to fit the 3.5,3.9,4.0 were prone to bad oil leaking and the warranty service was about as good. Has anyone heard different?   Norm Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:38 pm:    OK, I lied: Thank God for my neighbor and his Kia Sportage.   DouG H. Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:02 pm:    MATT...........you got it......cause you kinda DO sound like a cocksucking homo for harping on the original question. It seemed to me like it WAS a fun one to pose after all.......just look at the HUGE amount of responses it generated. Mission accomplished!! It was fun!! THAT SIMPLE!!!! And for all the people saying that there's little difference between Disco's and Jeeps, you all seem to be embaressed about having one potentially see you stuck or having to rescue you. So obviosuly there DOES exist, whether in good spirit or not, some level of fun rivalry between Rover owners and Jeeps. So again, I think he was cool for posing such a question, no matter how many times it was asked in the past. YOU ALL are the ones that shot hot piss down the guy's throat for asking it. He was just "busting his buddy's balls" about the rivalry....to me, seemingly in good fun and wanted the support from his fellow rover drivers. Don't sweat it JOE!!!!   Anonymous Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:05 pm:    hot piss down the guy's throat now there's a new one...thanks a pantload for the visual   PerroneFord Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:28 pm:    Dee, Yea, I've heard different. Dave Brown has been running a Mallory for quite some time and is loving it. He's on the Rangie list if you want to ask him about it. -P   ccdm3 Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:38 pm:    This guy got more posts than Greg's bumper! If we don't shut up, he'll get more than Kyle's!   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:38 pm:    Joe- the level of combativeness is a direct result of your threat toward Carter... "you are MUCH more accesible than you think or are aware of you ignorant loud mouth!!!!! " WTF is that supposed to mean? This thread was pretty damn civil and playful until you spouted off at Carter. Just as you think your posts were miscommunicated, did you ever think that maybe you were missunderstanding posts from the others? Take your Ridalin and calm down.... This topic has been beat to hell, over and over, and some of our responses may be a way of entertaining ourselves during a discussion that has just become incredibly boring... Lighten up a bit- If you can dish out language (sp?) like that towards others, than grow some thicker skin, and accept some aggressive responses... Really though, the only one I see being childish is you... Great, I'm now even dumber having responded to this useless thread again.... Thanks BTW- I think Muskyman said it best "buy it beat it break it have fun web wheelin sucks....it always goes back to the same this vrs that shit " Craig   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:53 pm:    LOL, take it over to the "Bumper End Caps" thread .... It appears Jeramy got a shirtless guy along with his Disco when he purchased .... dang, where was that kind of bargain when I was shopping around for mine? Kim   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:11 pm:    Ok Joe- This time I'll try to make nice... "the total number of vehicles recalled by Chrysler in the past four months to about 3.3 million � far more than the company will sell in the United States this year." from the Jeeps on fire thread... Craig   alhang Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:48 pm:    Dee, yes there were some minor issues, but nothing out of the ordinary. This link to RPI should answer your questions. http://www.rpiv8.com/faq-mall.htm Hey kyle you remember the rpi site right? it's the one with all the funny L's. haha....   Ratherpusharoverthatdriveajeep Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:30 am:    Silly to make an arguement for pleasure, anyway rover is quality, jeep is american. some people like vipers, some like aston martin. we prefer Land Rover's class and reputation to jeeps mass production, and clip-on moparded parts. drive what you want, i dont see land rover owners lean out their windows and sarcastically bow at JGC. They have honda syndrome, and need constant upgrading to grab attention from the ROVER's BLING!! I dont hear JAY-Z or anyone writing about jeeps in their lyrics...   Dee Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:54 am:    Alhanq, It was Chris Crane who refused to sell me one a few years back, I guess he got the problem sorted out, Thanks   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:04 am:      Brian Friend Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:15 am:    I havn't had a laugh like this on a post in a long time. I read a post from the guy that changed his springs but not his shocks and was complaining about his articulation. You guys remember him. Anyway, I think he said it best..."the disco and the jeep have the same wheel base but the disco has two more doors and is way more pimp." Brian Friend   Anonymous Bandit Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:57 am:    Joe, You lick you mother with that tounge? I'll be honest with you...I sure could use a good ass kicking. It's been a while since I rolled around on the ground with another man. If you ever make it to colorado be sure to let me know....... 'The Anonymous Bandit' No, 'The Anonymous Bandit' is not my real name. I CHOOSE to hide behind my keyboard....but I'll throw down for fun   Curtis C. Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:50 am:    O.K. I had to post something for fear of being left out. So here it is, LR's are cooler because you get more chic's than the J**per's do. Comment�s on the songs with jeeps in them, I do think there was one called "Back seat of my J**p", but the reason they where in the back seat was because the damn thing was stuck. LOL   Matt M Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:47 am:    DouG H - >just look at the HUGE amount of responses it >generated. Mission accomplished!! It was fun!! >THAT SIMPLE!!!! The exact point I was making too. Perhaps the witty muse in my remarks was just a little too subtle for you. Matt   Tonym (Tonym) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 07:55 am:    That Robin thing kicks arse... cracking up.   Greg Davis Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:01 am:    More posts than my bumper. Now I'm as pissed as Joe was!   Kingfish (Kingfish) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:41 am:    Curtic C. hit the nail on the hread... you can get better quality skanks with a Rover than with a Jeep. The Rover also has better "play" room in the back and more "head" room in the rear.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:51 pm:    when you're drunk and your wife is driving you and a friend to the liquor store late at night for supplies, you can surf in the cargo area of the Disco without hitting your head. Try that in a JGC. Nuff said.   Douglas Jones (Ozaukeedoug) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:00 pm:    If that doesn't convince your friend, nothing will.   ccdm3 Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:06 pm:    I bought mine because of the cooooool skylights in the cargo area!   gp (Garrett) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:14 pm:    what skylights? you growing weed back there? nice!!!   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:45 pm:    like VW Bus - i'm trippin' right now peter   Curtis Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:43 pm:    The Disco has better muffler bear rings If you want to make the best 4X4 you have got to use the best bear rings everywhere: muffler, carb, stigznatic solenoid. The Jeep bear rings are crap. Curtis   Roger Fastring Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:38 pm:    Axles. C-clips and semi floating vs. full floating and no c-clips. T-Case. Do a lift and you hafta buy a T-Case fix it kit on the New Venture 241 (JEEP). You go wheeling w/the stock setup and break a rear driveshaft and the output flange slides out and dumps fluid. Its all about the drivetrain. I know, theres folks that have broken stock rover drivetrain too, but its a lot better designed for mild tires and mild lifts then the Jeep. ("Heep" pronounced correctly in Spanish...) I've owned non GC Jeeps (DJs and CJs) and they were fine, but given the choice of a GC and D1/2, the choice is obvious for those that actual wheel.   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:45 pm:    a quote from "what cars say about their owners" - CJ/SJ/J - I own a real Jeep YJ - I should have gotten a CJ TJ - It looks kinda like a CJ and it's under warrantee XJ - I wanted an SJ but was afraid of its size ZJ - Of course I off-road, my driveway is gravel!!! there were no rovers in that list... peter   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:35 pm:    Peter , you are cracking me up. Lets go ahead and get this Jeep bullshit over with. Lets talk about your yellow turd there. Is that a 360 ? 304 ? Or the "Coveted" 401 ? WHich variety of oil burner ya got there ? Give me the strong points on the rust bucket ? I had one of those many years ago , a wagoneer , I have a big scar on my left knee from it falling off some backyard type jack stands onto my leg. It wasnt up there getting mods , it was up there getting fixed. Now lay it on me. What is so damned hot abou those heeps ? Kyle   id Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:13 pm:    LOL, ah I see now, so your personal vendetta against the Jeep is based on your subconsious deep seated anger against the wagoneer with which you could not take revenge upon since it was an inanimate object which you hated and at the same time depended on for daily transport. that was simple enough, now if i could only explain that pony tail... S. Freud   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:23 am:    I really don't see what any of this has to do with putting pizza in Ho's belly... Craig   E Snyder Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:43 am:    There's some funny shit on this thread... "once you get past the pretty colors argument, things get dicey..." LOL Saw a Grand Cherokee crack a windshield on a trail because the unibody flexed and broke the glass. Points for Rover's frame on body. I've seen Wranglers with broken axles STRANDED because they weren't full floaters. Bust a rear half shaft in your Disco? Leave the diff lock on and drive home. Points for Rover axles, even if they ain't too strong. Anyway, I can't wait until the FJ-80 vs. Disco thread starts. Hmmmm. Not too many takers, I'll bet!   Curtis Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:47 am:    Here is what is better about LR's...   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:50 am:    FJ80 vs. Disco? shoot man I traded in my 91 Fj on my rover... You think Rovers are slow? I should shuddup, I really wish I had that yota back! ;) Craig   Norm Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:59 am:    Wow!!! Those hiking boots are a nice touch. Now, if she'd only strip off that ugly rectangular bathing suit... ---Norm   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:01 am:    fj 80's are too wide and the wide flares get mangled on the trail. they also cant turn near as tight as a disco your turn   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:07 am:    god damn it ... who took my picture??!!! (LOL )   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:48 am:    Here's your Fj80 Snyder... I would like to offer up a few rounds of 3.5" Magnum sluggers for the first turd to do this to a Rover... Craig   Curtis Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:52 am:    Norm, I had to put the rectangular bathing suit on Kim's pic so as not to offend the more sensible types   Curtis Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:53 am:    Norm, I had to put the rectangular bathing suit on Kim's pic so as not to offend the more sensible types Here is a coupla more that I think must have been shot when she was grabbing some wine...   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:55 am:    DOH! easy there Curtis, I'm at work!   Curtis Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:03 am:    Craig, The scary part is that the rig almost looks like the Milk Truck!   Curtis Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:05 am:    ...and I could just see John: "Get the hell off my hood!" hehe C   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:22 am:    ... noooooo, he was more pissed about my bare butt on his seat. He hates that, you know Kim Okay,,,, everyone who knows me, knows that is NOT me. LOL,,,, everyone knows I wear "Depends" when I go offroad following John.   Norm Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 03:01 am:    Damn -- well, who ever she is, I wish I WAS that passenger seat (and the gear shift knob)...   Curtis Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:15 am:    I call it "Defender Envy"... Curtis   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 05:30 pm:    ...and I could just see John: "Get the hell off my hood!" hehe C damn, that is some funny shit right there   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 10:29 am:    damn kim you are hot! mike w   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:00 am:    Damn, I have wood as well. Though my wood is not to be confused with the wood found on the side of those old wagoneers.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:44 am:    hmmmm. i think i will keep my thoughts to myself for now. it is best this way. *boing*   Curtis Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 04:08 pm:    Kim, If that were you, feel free to wear Depends in my rig anytime Especially with that outfit on. Well - OK - my wife might object a little. Details, details... Curtis   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:08 pm:    Be assured, that is NOT me, LOL Kim (red face)   E Snyder Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:35 pm:    To whoever traded the 91FJ in on the rover... 90 and 91 had the old motor from the FJ60, definitely very slow. Finally, someone has brought two of the great loves of my life together... Landrovers and nekkid ladies.   Professor Studious Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:40 pm:    Curtis, You oughta give us a link to the source of those pics in order to give us a more "scientific" analyzation of that rover. Professor Studious   E Snyder Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:40 pm:    PS- I'm with you Craig. One reason I got out of the Cruiser crowd (sort of) is that it can sometimes have an edge to it. Not nearly as much of an edge as the Jeep crowd, but still...   Professor Studious Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:15 pm:    Curits, The Professor is not joking. This is really something you need to share with the rest of the class. Professor STudious   Curtis Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:26 pm:    Prof, All due respect for Kim here, but I cannot tell. Lets just say that the pics you see were all I was able to obtain from John Lees camera before they caught on to me Curtis   Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:08 pm:    I like the photo where I can get the enitre thing   Professor! Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:12 pm:    In the interest of science, man!   Ron L Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 03:54 am:    Thats what she looks like on the trail. You should see her and her friend after some red wine around the camp fire 8'0. ;-) Ron L   jerry quintana, co springs Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:02 pm:    the guy that own the modified cherokee is my neighbor and yes it would walk away from most rigs even my wifes disco that thing is heavily modified i think it has 35 inch tires dana 60 rear and air lockers. rocker skids frond and rear bumper made by the guys at rockware (they specilize in land rover mods) i remember seeing that rig when they were working on it in there shop. bad A$$.   Bill Molnar (Circekat) Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 11:44 pm:    To one and all: Thanks for the laughs. It does sound like the sixth grade. To Kim: Kindly convince my better half to buy that type of attire and wear it when we go somewhere. To those of the crowd who took this WAY to personal: Lighten up, Francis. (from the movie "Stripes" starring Bill Murray) To the person who posted the special olympics picture: Right on! To all others who finally get here: Aren't you glad that this did not make it to the technical section. It would be like throwing gasoline on a burning house!   Anonymous Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 06:46 pm:    So what's better than winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics??? Not Being Retarded   Anonymous Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 09:01 pm:    gc is nothing compare to the disco nothing   Kyle Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 09:25 pm:    Well , the little badge on the side of the Jeeps pretty much says it all , short and sweet.. "LIMITED" Kyle