| Author | Message | ||
     Mark (Mistert) New Member Username: Mistert Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hoping that I didn't break by back, can any of you recommend a "drill" or whatever they're referred to as(impact wrenches?) for removing and applying the lugnuts when. I don't need a super-duty NASCAR Pit Crew approved model. Just a simple cheap one that I can use around the garage sparingly. and where could i pick one up? Thanks | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 187 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=697 0&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=7256&categoryId=430 Item# 15877 This is a 110 v impact wrench $79 Cordless versions (tempting for off road use) are still in the $300 range. Way to rich for my taste Don't forget to get some special impact sockets too. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 139 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well, I don't think this impact wrench is the super-duty NASCAR pit crew approved model, but you might be happy with the IM6100: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/powertank/DSC05538.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/powertank/DSC05661.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/powertank/DSC05559.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/powertank/DSC05760.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/powertank/DSC05637.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/powertank/DSC05633.jpg You can buy an IM6100 from your local Snap-on truck or at Snap-on.com: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=15819&PartNo=im61 00&SUB_Cat_ID=1623372&SUB_Cat_NAME=Impact+Wrenches&Cat_ID=1623003&Cat_NAME=Power +Tools%2C+Air&group_id=2798&group_NAME=1/2 If you don't like Snap-on tools and you absolutely need the NASCAR approved model, then you might try this "Thunder Gun": http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=697 0&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=200132774&categoryId=42 8 The "Thunder Gun" even comes with a free Camillus pocketknife. That "Thunder Gun" also has a color-matched yellow 3/8" air ratchet called the "Lightning": http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=697 0&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=613167&categoryId=1631 Get both and your tool box will contain both Thunder & Lightning. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2002 |
Another question, I've seen the 12V 1/2" impact wrench for a reasonable price. It seems like a good little item for someone who does not have on board air to run an air impact. Anyone have any experience with the 12V one? Max T. | ||
| Rob Davison (Pokerob) Senior Member Username: Pokerob Post Number: 1772 Registered: 02-2002 |
i really like the idea of an electric impact gun. my uncle has one and the thing seems to work as well as air powered gun. his has lasted 10+ years with average use, so it seems satisfactory. the reason being is my little punk 30 gallon air tank is too small and it's freaking loud. while i'm at it i want a 9" angle grinder that can tear an arm off. anyone here care to comment on which version of the tool is better and why? Air vs Electric | ||
| Rob Davison (Pokerob) Senior Member Username: Pokerob Post Number: 1773 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL step off with the thunder and lightning, i want fire and rain, james taylor collector series... they aint even "street legal" comes with the impact gun, spoon, needle and smack wrapped in tin foil | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 213 Registered: 01-2003 |
I'm curious as to if the 12v ones work, too. That sure would be nice on the side of the road if you get a flat tire! I just wonder if they have enough "break" strength to get those lugs off. | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 151 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi I have noticed that the rally drivers in the WRC carry 12v makita impact drivers for their punctures, so they must work. I know some technicians also use them and say they are easier than dragging an air line all over the paintwork. As long as they are rated to 200nm they should cover most jobs on a LR. Pete S | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 140 Registered: 03-2003 |
Those 12v, 14.4v, and 18v impact wrenches are all inadequate. Look at the torque specs on them. The IM6100 has a whopping 675 ft. lbs. of torque in reverse, and I can't remove all the lug nuts on most customers' wheels. I usually need a breaker bar to loosen the lug nuts. You can say this is crazy or incredible or whatever, but it happens. Even lug nuts that 675 ft. lbs. of torque can't remove are very easily loosened with an 18" breaker bar. If you are accustomed to putting your jack handle over your lug wrench to loosen/tighten your lug nuts, an impact wrench with 675 ft. lbs. of rated torque will oftentimes not remove those lug nuts. I'm not an engineer, but I believe these impact wrench ratings are a lot like the water resistance ratings on watches. A particular watch is rated for 200 meters of water resistance, which is as deep as a 66-story building. That's fucking deep. But you go swimming with it in a 10 ft. pool and suddenly there's water ingress into the watch. The movement of your arm inside the water and knocking around the watch under water all affect the depth rating. Also, seals dry out over time. There is no way the a watch with a nominal depth rating of 200 meters can actually be used at 200 meters, even when brand new. The same is true for impact wrenches. Tighten a lug nut and let it bond with the lug stud. Let water get in there and start rusting things. If there's dirt between the lug nut and the wheel before you tighten down, that will make the lug nut harder to remove. Even 675 ft. lbs. is often inadequate. Our IM3100 is rated for something like 450 ft. lbs. of torque in reverse, and I can't loosen a lot of fasteners with it. I don't even bother trying to loosen lug nuts with the IM3100's 450 ft. lbs. of torque. Seen in that light, the 250 ft. lbs. rating of these electric impact wrenches is basically a joke. Also, all batteries self-discharge. If you're holding an electric impact wrench in your vehicle for emergencies, you should keep the lug wrench and jack handle handy just in case your electric impact wrench's battery is dead when you need it. Better yet, keep a long breaker bar and a 1 1/16" socket handy. Many of our customers report snapping the lug wrenches after trying to loosen the wheels after the tire shop guys tighten the hell out of the lug nuts. Ho's standard equipment in his Disco is a 15 lb. Power Tank, 18" breaker bar with 1/2" drive, 1/2" drive 1 1/16" impact socket, Snap-on IM5100 1/2" drive impact wrench, jack handle, and bottle jack. He ALWAYS has this in his truck, come rain or come shine, 24/7. That's a very nice set-up. This is the diamond in Ho's otherwise hunk of shit truck. | ||
| Mark (Mistert) New Member Username: Mistert Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2002 |
So today I went out and bought what I thought was a great impact wrench - DeWalt DW290 1/2" Heavy Duty Electric Impact Wrench. SUCKS ASS!!! This isn't worth shit. I'm fucking pissed. So I used the trusty lug wrench. That said, I'm getting one of those NASCAR Pit Crew approved impact wrenches. Ingersol Rand & Husky Air Compressor BABY!!! | ||
| EricV (Bender2033) Member Username: Bender2033 Post Number: 192 Registered: 08-2002 |
Speaking of bad azz torque wrenches check out this titanium beauty from IR: http://www.irtools.com/auto/prod/2impact/index.htm "After all, it has the unmatched strength and durability of Titanium, combined with an unbeatable 1,000 ft.-lbs. of Nut Busting Torque. All in a gun that weighs just 3.95 lbs" Smooth! Also, next time you have your wheels off lighty coat threads with anti-sieze, it will make subsequent removals effortless. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 372 Registered: 09-2002 |
The Ti is very cool. I just bought the IR2135Ti (1/2" drive) and it will undo anything (so far). I have a 20lb CO2 tank and a growing collection of air tools. Don't waste your money on those battery impact wrenches - they will all let you down when you need them most. | ||
| Mark (Mistert) New Member Username: Mistert Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2002 |
Even the lugnuts which were just tight but not super tight couldn't be handled by the DeWalt. yuck | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 189 Registered: 02-2003 |
The 110v job has done my lug nuts and a suspension change without a problem for three years now. Also use it to put snow tires on my wifes car. Sears sells an identical unit for $100 more. Why spend hundreds of dollars on a shop like air compressor etc set up when for $79 you can be in business? Hell if you want to get a rectifier and take it off road with you. And the grinder I got was $65 from Home Despot and does good too My 2c... By now you have me worried. Am I'm becoming a cheapskate? | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 463 Registered: 08-2002 |
If it takes that much work to undo your lugs, then you are over tightening them (WAY to much IMHO) and/or leaving them on there too long. I'll tell you one thing, it'll likely never happen that I carry a $400 impact wrench in my vehicle because I think I need 675 ft lb of torque. | ||
| Nate Jedinak (Ducati) New Member Username: Ducati Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2002 |
Use a torque wrench to properly tighten the lugnuts and you won't have nearly as many problems getting them off. Every time some wrench monkey touches my lugnuts I loosen and retorque them, properly, at home. They always get it shockingly wrong. Most people do not recommend using antisieze on the threads; manufacturers spec torque values on dry threads, and using antisieze changes the torque value you need. Why guesstimate and potentially have them back out on you later? Racers really frown upon antisieze. I used to race (cars not LR's LOL), and was always changing wheels/tires in the "pits." Since I never had access to compressors or even electricity, what I used was simple and fast. A big breaker bar to get them loose while the vehicle was on the ground. Jacked it up and used my Dewalt cordless drill w/a little socket adapter thing and the proper socket. Spin 'em off, change the wheel, and use the Dewalt to power them back on. Drop the car and torque properly. I see no need for an impact wrench for lug removal if you properly torque your lugs, and this method is barely slower, totally portable, and doesn't cost much, especially if you have the cordless drill already. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 465 Registered: 08-2002 |
No doubt Nate. I follow you same rules, except I really try to catch those darned monkeys before they even make it to my lugs with an impact wrench. Don't many of the good impact wrenches have a torque setting? Today I just look at my wifes Subaru brakes I had to lean on a flex handle with all my weight to get the lugs broke. Silly. | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 220 Registered: 01-2003 |
At least you have people that actually put the lugs back on. I took my car to a tire shop and they forgot to tighten the lugs on one wheel. They just started them by hand, and never went back with the gun. I almost lost the wheel. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1749 Registered: 02-2002 |
I bought a new Snap-On socket and used Snap-On breaker bar on eBay for the princely total of $40. It works nicely and the wife can break the lugs loose, and I seriously doubt it will bend like the factory wrench. You are far less likely to encounter problems with hand-tightened fasteners. Personally, I do not mate fasteners without something between the mating surfaces, be it anti-seize (aluminum or copper depending upon the materials of construction), oil, silicone or loctite. Read a treatise on threaded fasteners a long time ago and have not intentionally mated two fasteners sans anti-seize, etc. since. I take my torque wrench and socket to the tire shop and force them to use my tools. If they won't, I take my $ elsewhere seems simple to me. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 572 Registered: 02-2003 |
last month i sheared a 1/2 x 4" craftsman extention. nuts wouldn't budge so i took the handle off the floor jack slid it over the torque wrench and stood on the end. nothing happend and the torque wrench clicked. i assume i exceeded it's limit. i think got a 1/2 sears breaker bar and did it over again. i started to bounce on my jack handle extension. seconds later i sheared the 1/2" extension. pissed. evenually i got the nut off, later that day i discovered i broke the torque wrench too. yay sears. rd | ||
| Nate Jedinak (Ducati) New Member Username: Ducati Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2002 |
Rob, FWIW, you should never use a torque wrench to loosen, only to tighten. You know that now, tho  Never thought about bringing my torque wrench along, Paul. Excellent idea, thanks for the tip. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2003 |
"If it takes that much work to undo your lugs, then you are over tightening them (WAY to much IMHO) and/or leaving them on there too long. I'll tell you one thing, it'll likely never happen that I carry a $400 impact wrench in my vehicle because I think I need 675 ft lb of torque." Brian, as I said previously, even an 18" breaker bar will let you undo tight fasteners that the IM6100 won't be able to undo. One does not carry an impact wrench because he needs to undo tight fasteners that he cannot undo by hand. Rather, one carries an impact wrench for convenience. Though the impact wrench cannot undo very tight fasteners, it can undo most fasteners and without physical effort. The breaker bar takes physical effort to use, but it can generate tremendous amounts of torque that are way beyond what the impact wrench can generate. That's why Ho carries a breaker bar together with his impact wrench: the breaker bar to undo tight fasteners and the impact wrench for convenience. And it's very easy to tighten a fastener more with a breaker bar than with an impact wrench. You can easily test this. Just get a good impact wrench and tighten a lug nut as much as you can tighten it. Then put a breaker bar or torque on the same lug nut and see how easy it is to tighten the lug nut even more. Even though a good 1/2" impact wrench is rated to 400 ft. lbs. forward torque, put a torque wrench up to the lug nut and you'll see that the lug nut you just tightened with your impact wrench at maximum is nowhere close to 400 ft. lbs. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2003 |
break lugs loose with 18" breaker bar while on the ground, jack, spin lugs off with 18v cordless, rinse, repeat can even have nascar on the teevee in the background | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 575 Registered: 02-2003 |
Nate, what I forgot to mention is that the ratcheting mechanism still works; it was the stupid plastic sleeve that tells you what the torque value is at that is busted. I am going to take it back to sears and tell them I was completely unsatisfied with the tool. I believe sears guarantee's satisfaction. I will find out. Thanks for the lesson on loosening… I did not know that. Rd | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2003 |
Poor torque wrench. It was only a POS Craftsman , so it's not the end of the world. But still a damn shame. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 56 Registered: 04-2003 |
he shoulda done the thunder & lightning rain dance and left the poor craftsman alone | ||
| Nate Jedinak (Ducati) New Member Username: Ducati Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
Rob, don't worry about it, Sears will give you a new one. Although Craftsman tools aren't the best in the world, they are pretty good and I've never had a problem with the guarantee--they even replaced a ratchet I broke by using a 5-foot cheater bar (seriously)... No questions asked. A good guarantee. Just show them it's broken and ask for a new one | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 837 Registered: 09-2002 |
I may be overtorquing the lug nuts every now and then - approx. 1/3 to 1/2 of body weight (I'm 165lb) on an 18" breaker bar when I tighten them up - and they always come off with just a little more effort with the same breaker bar. However... - I swap out the wheels every time I go wheeling, so lug nuts don't have a long time to fuse with the studs. - I have a "moderate-duty" 1/2" air impact driver, and it never fails to undo the lug nuts. Impact wrench is never used it to tighten them. As far as wrench ratings go - John, multiply the force you apply to the wrench to its length; if you lift the wrench, it is not likely to be more than your weight, if you force the breaker bar down, it is unlikely to be much more than 2/3 of your weight, unless you jump on it. In any case, it is way less than 675 ft-lbs - something is fucked up with the rating. Peter | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 146 Registered: 03-2003 |
"he shoulda done the thunder & lightning rain dance and left the poor craftsman alone" LOL. Thunder & Lightning probably wouldn't have cut it either on Rob's wheel. For loosening those super-tight fasteners, I forego the Thunder & Lightning and much prefer to use Crouching Tiger & Hidden Dragon. Here's Crouching Tiger: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05753.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05756.jpg And this is Hidden Dragon: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05751.jpg Crouching Tiger is a Snap-on 24" breaker bar with 1/2" drive. Crouching Tiger is long enough that I can actually see the thing bending under load, but it works like a charm. Hidden Tiger is a Snap-on 18" long locking flex ratchet with 1/2" drive. Hidden Dragon is a ratchet, so it's much more convenient to use for wheels and especially so for tight spots. I can also hyper-flex the head to more than 90 degrees and use the unit like a speeder, which is also very convenient. Just speed the lug nuts on and then straighten out the flex head and torque down lightly. I use Crouching Tiger & Hidden Dragon when the impact wrench won't undo certain fasteners. Most of the time, the impact wrench is enough to undo most customers' lug nuts. For the Rover wheel lug nuts, I use the 17/16" (and not 27mm) shallow impact socket: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05748.jpg This socket fits the breaker bar, ratchet, and impact wrenches we use at the shop. Peter, that's the way all the impact wrenches I've tried are. I don't claim to have used them all, but I have used several and all of them apply much less torque than their nominal torque ratings. I'm confident I can use even Hidden Dragon to tighten a fastener enough that no 1/2" impact wrench can loosen the fastener. (I'm not talking about leaving the impact wrench on the fastener for an hour either. Rather, I mean loosen the fastener in the first several seconds of impacts.) | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 473 Registered: 08-2002 |
Nice tool. Polished well too. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 305 Registered: 11-2002 |
a air impact is only as good as its air supply...john what presure and cfm rating are you using? my chicago pnuematic will snap grade 8 bolts up to 1/2" like they are butter when supplied with the right air supply. I got a feeling you are far from maxing out that sweet snap-on wrench. i hate to say it but something is wrong with your set up, if it was truley producing(snap-on rarely exagerates)675 ft pounds it would snap lug nuts of any size loose in 3 or 4 impacts. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 148 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, Hidden Dragon has a full-polished finish: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05738.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05744.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05745.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05746.jpg As does his little brother Chow Yun Fat: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05727.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05728.jpg And their cousin Sum Yung Guy: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05786.jpg | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 149 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thom, "john what presure and cfm rating are you using?" We use the Power Tank here at the shop because of noise concerns with an air compressor. Our neighbor runs a recording studio. The IM6100's numbers are as follows: 550 ft. lbs. going forward, 675 ft. lbs. in reverse, 1300 impacts per minute, 90 psi maximum pressure, and 4.3 cfm of airflow. The IM6100 is very efficient and needs little air to operate at maximum efficiency. The 90 psi and 4.3 cfm are well within the limits of the Power Tank. I've seen impact wrenches change their cadence when the airflow is insufficient as with some copycat Power Tank systems, but the IM6100 works at its high cadence with the Power Tank. I've tried boosting the pressure to 130 psi to see if it would make a difference, but it didn't seem to make a substantial difference in the power. I'm pretty sure the air source is fine. One of these days when I get access to an Armageddon air compressor again, I'll test out the air tools again to see if there is a difference. I don't think there will be though. "i hate to say it but something is wrong with your set up, if it was truley producing (snap-on rarely exagerates) 675 ft pounds it would snap lug nuts of any size loose in 3 or 4 impacts." I get the same results with Ho's Snap-on IM5100 impact wrench, and with Steve Cooper's Titanium Rand. Our old beater impact wrench (unknown brand) is weaker than these other three impact wrenches. | ||
| laszlo nemeth (Laz) New Member Username: Laz Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2003 |
"Rob, don't worry about it, Sears will give you a new one." The rules may have changed but ~10 years ago the torque wrench was not a 'hand tool'. yes i broke the little plastic sleave also. now i just use a beam wrench. Also to whom ever said they are to cheep for a shop compressor........just buy one, you will never go without one again. laz ps anyone else bend the stock lug remover thingy while removing lugs? | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 307 Registered: 11-2002 |
well my cp749 rips shit apart if you dont watch it and it is "only" rated at 625 ft pounds the 90 psi max sounds kinda low? one thing that comes into play is the elasticity of the metal, impacts arent good at removing things that have alot of spring to them. thats why snap-on sells impact drivers that are rated at different torque ratings. that way no matter what the gun is putting out you only transfer a set amount of torque load. | ||
| Chris Whybrew (Dcwhybrew) Member Username: Dcwhybrew Post Number: 44 Registered: 05-2003 |
Laz, I sheared off my lug wrench at the "neck" when I was changing my brake pads. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 580 Registered: 02-2003 |
Laz that's right. they only cover the torque wrench for a year because it is a calibrated instrument, etc. that's why i am going in with the satisfaction angle. as far as i know my satisfaction has no statute of limitations. going to the manager might be necessary. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 151 Registered: 03-2003 |
Rob, When you dump that Craftsman torque wrench, you might look at one of these: http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_93fa5a3f7cdbe4d3a6d80ffe45ad95c9/i-1_B_ L.JPG Just please don't put a pipe over it. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 477 Registered: 08-2002 |
Darn John quit posting all those pictures of killer tools that I cannot afford. Now I have tool envy (pun intended). | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1762 Registered: 02-2002 |
I am still using the Snap-On torque wrench I received for my 18th birthday. I brought it into the plant for calibration and it was still close enough for anything I need it to do. I wish I knew how many crankshafts, rod bolts, and propellers have been torqued with that wrench. Bunches of SBCs, and a few of Hartzell's best! Now, Rovers! If you buy good tools, you only need to buy once-just like wrist watches, right John? Peace, Paul | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Senior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 812 Registered: 02-2002 |
26" International Harvester 3/4" drive breaker bar with impact socket - never a problem! Bill | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Senior Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 349 Registered: 10-2002 |
I dont own any snap-on or Craftsman tools. I have some cheap flex ratchet I got from the sporting goods store and a 3 foot lenght of iron pipe to go over the handle. I'm always afraid off breaking stuff with it. Hopefully the cheap ratchet gives way before pieces of my truck do. As an added advantage the iron pipe stays under the rear seat and if I ever need something to boink someone with it will serve me well. How much do you have to pay for a "drill for removing lugnuts" that will do everything my $5 iron pipe will do? LOL Dan | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 840 Registered: 09-2002 |
copycat Power Tank systems okay, now that's the reason my impact wrench works and others don't - a "swap meet special" CO2 tank with a big ass regulator set at 150psi! (where's that sand to hide my head to) | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 582 Registered: 02-2003 |
shoot, i aint buying a snap-on torque wrench. i'm expecting a new one from sears, you dig? i might consider buying a monster non ratcheting breaker bar type from them, but i i'm going to make that my caddillac tool... frankly it's the one too i want kind of cheap so i can beat on it use a pipe etc and not feel guilty. my snap on caddillac set would be the flank drive open end wrench set. 3/8 and 1/2 socket sets and thats about all i can justify. wish me luck at sears i am going in about an hour | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 375 Registered: 09-2002 |
"copycat Power Tank systems" I also have a generic 20lb CO2 tank but with a PowerTank regulator which can be adjusted from 0 to 300psi with the turn of a knob. Very handy. I guess that makes it both cheeks of a big ass regulator | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 152 Registered: 03-2003 |
"I am still using the Snap-On torque wrench I received for my 18th birthday. I brought it into the plant for calibration and it was still close enough for anything I need it to do. I wish I knew how many crankshafts, rod bolts, and propellers have been torqued with that wrench. Bunches of SBCs, and a few of Hartzell's best! Now, Rovers! If you buy good tools, you only need to buy once-just like wrist watches, right John?" I heard THAT. You want fucking awesome torque wrenches and watches? You want top-quality equipment that professionals rely on when their asses are on the line? You want first-class equipment that scientists rely on when they're conducting their billion-dollar experiments? Peep this: http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-3/hires/iss003e5415. jpg That's a shot from the International Space Station. That's Expedition Three Commander Frank Culbertson, and he's using what looks like a 1/4" drive Snap-on torque wrench. The size is not certain, but the brand of torque wrench is certainly a Snap-on. Same for his extension, socket, nut driver, and 1/4" ratchet. Similarly, both of his wristwatches are OMEGA Speedmaster Professional X-33's with kevlar straps. We've been drooling over this shit for the past week on the EE BBS. Here's another torque wrench/wristwatch porn shot: http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-107/hires/s107e05832. jpg That photo is from STS-107, the mission where the Columbia burned during re-entry and all the crew were tragically killed. The man in the photo is Ilan Ramon. He's wearing an OMEGA X-33 on his left wrist. Check out his right hand and the tube next to it. It is definitely holding a Snap-on torque wrench, probably in 3/8" drive. The socket is an 11mm or smaller deep 12-point chrome. I'm a wannabe Astronaut, and I love Snap-on and OMEGA. | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Senior Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 350 Registered: 10-2002 |
So John, do you think that somewhere among the unfound wreakage spread over Texas there is a Snap-on torque wrench in good working order and an Omega watch that is still ticking and keeping perfect time? Who knows? I dont know. I would like to think that if Ilan Ramon had been using my cheap no name torqe wrench and 3 foot lenght of iron pipe, at least the pipe would have fallen over Texas slightly bent and chared but still ready to boink someone on the head or help in removing over tightened lug nuts. I wannabe a cheap-bastard Astronaut, and I love my 3 foot lenght of iron pipe. Dan | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 153 Registered: 03-2003 |
Daniel, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU ASSHOLE. | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 417 Registered: 02-2002 |
Shit Daniel You may be a lot of things and you may like to have fun and act like a dumbshit on Discoweb, but holy fuck, have you no respect for anything? | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Senior Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2002 |
Geez, no disrespect meant, my point was that sometimes a cheap peice of metal will out last even the most expensive tools you could buy and still perform more or less the same job. I apologize to those I offended. Dan | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 418 Registered: 02-2002 |
Then you should just simply say that a "cheap peice of metal will out last even the most expensive tools you could buy". Making a point at the expense of our Nation's fallen is stupid, dumb and just plain chickenshit. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2003 |
DANIEL COVACIU HAS NO BALLS. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 584 Registered: 02-2003 |
went to sears last night without receipt. also took in my 1/2 extension and old school ratcheting box end wrench. they would not give me a new torque wrench... they did offer me half off on a new one, but i did not want the same model after it broke so easily. they let me upgrade to the new, digi read one that no electronic, but it has a rotoating numbered collar. it is digital i gues mut still analog in it's movement, like the date on an analog watch. the handle is better than the old and no ring to break. i accepted this and paid $50 that catch being the she let me keep my old torque wrench, which is broken, but the ratchet and everything still work. it just wont let me adjust the torque. in my original discussion with her she offered to repair it for free. i plan on taking it to another sears store with the same line and having them repair it. it could take 6 months and i wouldn't care so i think this is a win win aside from the fact i am still holding a craftsman tool. i suppose i could even use the receipt i was just handed for the broken wrench.... hmm rd | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 380 Registered: 09-2002 |
"the handle is better than the old and no ring to break" but can you still get the floor jack handle over it? | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 586 Registered: 02-2003 |
shit, no i can't... what i need is pictured on the first page of the Ratchet section in the Snap on paper catalogue. it's a guy standing there holding a 6 ft long ratchet. It's like Moses with his cane... or Gandolf-The-Great's staff. Today at lunch i'm going to try to find it online.. Maybe Harbor freight will have one for cheap. rd | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 506 Registered: 04-2002 |
What a bunch of BS. You guys own Land Rovers, right? Then why don't you have your chauffeur take care of the lug nuts. Sheesh...talk about low class. You guys probably all own Ford Exploders with LR emblems on the back. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2002 |
"do you think that somewhere among the unfound wreakage spread over Texas there is a Snap-on torque wrench in good working order and an Omega watch that is still ticking and keeping perfect time?"  "I would like to think that if Ilan Ramon had been using my cheap no name torqe wrench and 3 foot lenght of iron pipe, at least the pipe would have fallen over Texas slightly bent and chared but still ready to boink someone on the head or help in removing over tightened lug nuts." Do yourself a favor and research what the crew accomplished prior to this disaster. This way the next time you "think" about what they coulda, shoulda, or woulda done you'll open your mouth and insert foot. Your wrong...wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. To even mention a crew-members name is just wrong.    | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sorry Rob, but I think this is the only "Snap-on" item that Harbor Freight sells: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37147 Just quit wasting your time and go to your neighbor and ask him for one of these: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=8381&PartNo=qt3r2 50&group_id=957&store=snapon-store&tool=all (That photo on the Snap-on site isn't accurate. The actual QT3R250 looks like the one in that photo, but it's 24" long.) Yes, it's expensive. But it costs more for a reason. There's no plastic shit on it. You don't have to use that damn turning selector to reverse the ratchet. I hate those. It's 3% accurate both clockwise and counterclockwise, and throughout the entire 50-250 ft. lbs. range. And so long as you don't put a pipe over it, it'll last you the rest of your life. Better yet, slap an OMEGA or two on your wrists and you can even play Astronaut while you're wrenching. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 156 Registered: 03-2003 |
I was browsing through the Harbor Freight site and found something interesting. For those of you enamored with the idea of an electric impact wrench for emergency use in your truck, you might take a look at this one: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=36175 This impact wrench plugs into the cigarette lighter, so there is no need for that pesky compressed air. There is also no worry about self-discharging batteries or batteries going dead when you have to leave the impact wrench on the lug nuts for an hour to loosen them. The nominal torque rating is 150 ft. lbs., and your lug nuts are tightened to only 100-125 ft. lbs., so this impact wrench will be more than sufficient for the task at hand. This impact wrench is not only torquey, it's speedy. It delivers a whopping 10-20 blows per minute. That's one blow every 3-6 seconds. Best of all, this impact wrench is only $19.99, so it's well within the budget of the average Cheap Fuck. If you can't quite finance that princely sum and are unable to "Add To Cart", just click on "Add To Wish List" and dream a little. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 587 Registered: 02-2003 |
john, that coats great. i can wear it to my the renaissance festival when it swings through town. you know HF has the IR thunder on sale http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46085 1/2" & 3/8" drive breaker set $13.00 hehe i got a mech stethescope, spark plug tester and multi meter on order too, if i get over $50 it's free shipping, with all that i still aint over $50 yet sweet 42 " :0) http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3293 rd | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 842 Registered: 09-2002 |
10 blows per minute.... rotflmao next time i'm in el cajon, i'll stop by harbor freight store and buy one. wouldn't that be great to see that thing convulse every two or three seconds? it'll make a nice conversation piece at the next rr. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 376 Registered: 02-2003 |
Just wondering why you people think Craftsman tools are junk? I have both Craftsman and Snap-On that make up most of my tool collection. I have broken each. Both craftsman and snap-on took the tools back no questions asked. What would make the Snap-On brand better, because they cost more? Because NASA uses them? Because that must be John Lee's tool of choise? If both are quality tools and have a lifetime warrenty, whats the problem? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 157 Registered: 03-2003 |
Rob, Thunder Gun? LOL. Forget that POS. OK, let's say you're going to spend $200 on an impact wrench. The $380 for the IM6100 is a lot of money and not everyone has that kind of $$$$ lying around. But $200 ain't bad at all. So go to eBay and look for one: http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?satitle=snap+on+IM6100&ht=1&sosortpr operty=1&from=R10&BasicSearch= There are IM6100's selling all the time on eBay. You can even get new ones for $200 to $220 all the time. That is arguably money well spent. There is probably no warranty on your IM6100 bought through eBay, but what else would you expect for bottom feeding? I would rather spend $220 on an IM6100 than $180 on some Thunder & Lightfoot Street Legal Whiskey Tango impact wrench. You're wasting your money on that 3/4" torque wrench. Just buy the 1/2" QT model from your neighbor. He'll take care of you. If you had put a pipe over the QT and broken it, you'd be surprised what the local Snap-on guy will do for you if you keep him in business and he likes you. "Abuse" can suddenly turn into "product defect" and suddenly you have a new torque wrench. If you're a good customer, he'll really take care of you. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 158 Registered: 03-2003 |
"What would make the Snap-On brand better, because they cost more? Because NASA uses them? Because that must be John Lee's tool of choise? If both are quality tools and have a lifetime warrenty, whats the problem?" That's what I would expect from the owner of a catcher's mask. There are definitely differences Craftsman and Snap-on. The differences are subtle but they are there. If you can't notice the differences between Craftsman and Snap-on, then I recommend you stick with Craftsman. After all, why pay the extra for Snap-on when you can't appreciate the difference? | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2002 |
Too funny! | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 588 Registered: 02-2003 |
d, it's not that craftsman is junk, it just is clearly not the best. i said in my post the Snap-On Torque wrench was too gourmet for me. i don't see anyone bashing me for not buying it because we all know i'd rather have the good tool but i'm making the best of the situation. one thing i will say is when i picked up my new 1/2" craftsman extension that i broke i noticed that my old one was necked down from like 5/8" where you insert the square drive (female end) to about 3/8" at the male end. the new one was much thicker, going from 5/8" to 1/2" only necking down .125" i assume this new one is stronger. the old one i had was probably 25 years old. the one thing that was sad to see was the high level of surface porosity on the chrome. the pits were very easily seen with the naked eye. also there was a scratch on the side almost the entire length of the part. it looked to me like it should have been considered a "2nd" but i need the tool so i took it. it will probably last as well as one without the porosity issues but it makes you wonder where else they are skimping. rd | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 589 Registered: 02-2003 |
john, no worries. i am not buying the 4ft breaker bar, lol i am not buying anything actually. i filled up my basket with tons of fun junk then close the window after an hour. i get the thrill of almopst buying the stuff without spending. it doesn't take two to wiskey tango -rd | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1772 Registered: 02-2002 |
My god, are we such nerds that we can take a simple question and turn it into a 50 post discussion on the finer points of torque and impact wrenches? The original question was on how to remove stuck lugs. Many of us chimed in with comments on reasonable length breaker bars and it degenerated from there (to the obligatory name-calling and personal attacks. Can't we all get along?). Quit screwing around! Buy an 18 or 24 inch 1/2 drive breaker bar and a socket. Slap a tiny bit of anti-seize on those lugs, don't let the tire monkeys use an impact and we're good to go. Too bad I don't have an Omega (I do however, have the ultimate Whiskey Tango Rolex), but I do have a bunch of Snap-On stuff! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 159 Registered: 03-2003 |
No, Paul. Rolex is not White Trash. Rolex is Korean Trash. There's a difference. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1775 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oops, my bad. Remember, my Rolex is on a brand new Timex band... I sent you an e-mail I think you'll find interesting. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1655 Registered: 02-2002 |
I spent three years putting together a roll-a-way for work. If you broke down the % of brand tools, it would come out like this: 40% Craftsman 40% Snap-On 20% Air-tools of various brands The number one thing to remember about tools is that they are an investment for life. The price of tools is always going up. For example; I finished my tool box up in '97 for a total of $6K. To replace that same tool inventory now, we are talking $8K. John, That picture of the 18mm combo wrench is nice, but do you have anything cool like: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=4391&group_I D=550&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog I have this one drawer in the tool box that my friends call the "freak drawer." It's full of funky looking Snap-On wrenches that are great for getting into hard to reach places. I'll try to post a picture this afternoon. Now getting back to Daniel's fucked up comment about the shuttle....... For your information jackass, we have pulled Snap-On tools out of severe aircraft accidents that were perfectly flawless. You obviously have never smelled human flesh burning or have watched people die in the pursuit of aerospace. I am talking about an airplane that hit the deck in one piece so goddamned fast and hard that it would make you shit yourself. We have a 1 5/16" Snap-On offset combination wrench framed in the flightline at one of the squadrons. It is in memory of a Marine that got killed in an airplane crash and had it in his flightsuit at impact. Paul '00 Pig | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 698 Registered: 04-2002 |
Damn Daniel you are dumb.... As I recall we even have a family member of one of the crew members from that mission who surfs here. Take your foot out of your mouth and go the fuck home. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 161 Registered: 03-2003 |
Paul, I WISH we had those S-wrenches in our tool kit. They're totally cool. But we don't. Wrenching isn't our bread and butter, and our tools are for our installs of bumpers and Dreadnoughts and suspensions and such. Thus far, we haven't needed an S-wrench on such installs. And, these tools costing what they do, we can't really afford to get such tools unless we need them. Accordingly, Ho and I decided to get a good assortment of the basic tools (what Kyle refers to as "Old Faithful" tools), and then get the specialty tools on an as-needed basis. All of our tools are pretty basic. I think the only specialty or semi-specialty wrenches we have are our Matco ratcheting combination wrenches, like these: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05888.jpg (Snap-on Flank Drive Plus on top; Matco ratcheting combination on bottom.) We have a small assortment of these Matco wrenches for tight spots and specialty applications. I love these wrenches. They are very high quality and far nicer than any other ratcheting combination wrench I have seen (I don't claim to have seen them all). The ratcheting mechanism in the box end is very smooth; the selector is very positive; and the open end has Matco's version of the "Flank Drive Plus" that our Snap-on combination wrenches have. These wrenches are also full-length and not shortened like the Blue-Point or Craftsman versions. Except for the ratcheting box end, these wrenches are also every bit as delightfully slim and svelte as the Snap-on Flank Drive Plus wrenches. Their only shortcoming is that they are not "marked" on both sides and on each end like the Flank Drive Plus wrenches: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05889.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05890.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05891.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05892.jpg These wrenches really come in handy for specific jobs. For example, the 13mm is perfect for removing the two bolts that secure the bottom of the front shocks on the D2. These bolts are recessed enough that it's impossible to remove them with a socket, and tightening/loosening them with an an open-ended wrench can become a bore. The 13mm is also perfect for loosening the four bolts that secure the front shock towers. The inner shock tower bolts are another pain in the ass to get to with an open ended wrench, and I don't have a 2' extension to reach to the bolts from the top. The 18mm ratcheting combination is very handy for D2 suspension installs. The 18mm will handle the swaybars, and the rear swaybars are another pain in the ass to access with a ratchet. The front upper shock mounting bolts on the D2 are also inaccessible with a ratchet and must usually be handled with an open-ended wrench. The ratcheting box end is just awesome for this application and makes quick work of an otherwise tedious job. We also have these Matco wrenches for our Dreadnought and Spring Retainers installs. Probably our only other "specialty" tool is a telescoping magnet: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05865.jpg This am some powerful juju: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05924.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05870.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05871.jpg This is for fishing out Ho's broken shit on the trail. Stuff like this: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/gbr/DSC05513.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/gbr/DSC05518.jpg | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Senior Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 336 Registered: 01-2003 |
Actually I think we should encourage Daniel to use his pipe on a generic harbor freight tool special. When the wrench sheers in half and he impales himself or crushes his hand it will seem like some kind of justice for saying something as fucking stupid as he did. I think when a cheap bastard is buying cheap tools, they either never use them or has been lucky that one hasn't broken yet. I own a mix of snap-on, matco (majority) and craftsman. Craftsman is fine for most users, but not as nice as the others. I think lowes Huskey brand is along the same line as craftsman. But if buying any tools, stay away from that harbor tool type of tool crap, your just asking to crush or break a bone in your body. As for taking off lugs, I use John Lee's "hidden tiger crouching lion" technique, nothing nicer than that 1/2" ratchet that folds, crack the lug with breaker, jack, speed off the lug, nice tools are a beautiful thing. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 163 Registered: 03-2003 |
"I own a mix of snap-on, matco (majority) and craftsman. Craftsman is fine for most users, but not as nice as the others. I think lowes Huskey brand is along the same line as craftsman." Here we have a comment from an actual owner of Snap-on and Craftsman. D's comment that he owns both Snap-on and Craftsman and that they are basically the same tools is just bullshit. He either is a liar (doesn't own Snap-on) or a moron (can't tell the difference between Snap-on or Craftsman), or both. D's lied several times in the past and so his credibility isn't very good. I have always felt that owning both Snap-on and Craftsman is really dangerous. Once you handle and use use your Snap-on tools and see them side by side next to the Craftsman tools in your tool box, the Craftsman tools that you were previously perfectly happy with no longer seem to cut it. It's sort of like having a wine cellar filled with Chateau Latour and Gallo. The two just don't go together and once your cup runneth over with the Chateau Latour, you get spoiled and you can't ever enjoy drinking your Gallo ever again. Part of you ends up regretting that you even bought the Craftsman stuff and a part of you hopes that your Craftsman stuff breaks or gets lost or gets stolen so that you can justify another Snap-on purchase. Craftsman makes good tools. They're not junk by any means. But for someone to claim that he owns both Snap-on and Craftsman and that they are both equivalent is just not credible. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1785 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL! John, I keep my Snap-On wrenches (end wrenches, not the sockets) in a separate drawer so I will be more careful to see they get put back where they belong. Having had a brother in law who was both a Snap-On and a Matco sales truck owner, I have had the pleasure to use a plethora of different tools. (I can't believe I'm allowing myself to be dragged into another tool discussion) There are some situations where I prefer the wider beam of the Craftsman end wrenches. I own Snap-On end wrenches in three different sizes, the long, the regular length and the stubby (recognizing my short-comings:-) and find them to be useful in most situations, but if I need to bang on a wrench, you can bet it's not gonna be a Snap-On. That said, I have gotten some less-then-perfect Snap-On tools. I have worn out a Snap-On harmonic balancer puller that turned into a nightmare to have replaced. I had a huge Snap-On screwdriver that the handle began to ooze something that smelled like Acetic Acid-when I told my Snap-On delaer, he told me he would only replace the shaft. When I brought him the screwdriver, he took one look at it and replaced it. Now, a brand I will have nothing to do with-Stanley. Needing tools to carry on the trail, I bought a Stanley socket set. The ratchet is at the bottom of my pool/goldfish pond! MAC tools, I don't think so, not after that experience. It was replaced by a 3/8" Snap-On ratchet purchased off eBay for the princely sum of $35. Peace, Paul | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2003 |
"There are some situations where I prefer the wider beam of the Craftsman end wrenches. I own Snap-On end wrenches in three different sizes, the long, the regular length and the stubby (recognizing my short-comings:-) and find them to be useful in most situations, but if I need to bang on a wrench, you can bet it's not gonna be a Snap-On." Agreed. If you're going to beat on your tools, don't do it on the Snap-on stuff. If you snap your Snap-on wrench or shatter a chrome socket because you used an impact wrench with it, the local Snap-on tool man knows what to look for and recognizes abuse and might not warranty your broken tool on the ground that you abused it. But if you go to Sears and take in your broken/abused Craftsman tool, the person at the counter is probably a dumbshit and is much less likely to know what to look for and will likely warranty the tool. You can get away with abusing your Snap-on tools only if you're on very good terms with your local Snap-on guy. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1788 Registered: 02-2002 |
Surprising to most folks, the use of a non-impact socket on an impact driver is as likely to damage the impact driver. The drive lug of an impact driver is not as hard as the non-impact socket, yet slightly harder than the impact socket. As a result, not only is using non-impact sockets on an impact driver potentially a personal injury safety hazard, it is damaging to the driver. Local Snap-On guy-LOL. I get a 40% corporate discount, and the Snap-On rep lives next door to the guy my dad sold his Manpower franchise to. Only problem, I don't get to buy off the truck, so no impulse buys. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Senior Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 337 Registered: 01-2003 |
lol, wine cellar, I actually put the craftsman in the bottom drawers of my tool chest so that I don't use them unless I have too. Some of the my odd ball craftsman wrenches and sockets are mixed in with the good stuff, but I try now to only buy the good stuff if I need to replace something or need a specific tool. Could craftsman be like gallo ... guest wine/tools? I think the best example of tool quality is look at power tools, use a craftman router then use a bosch , there is no comparison between the two. I also think craftsman has gone down hill, my dad has some 30 year old craftmans stuff that is really quite nice, but the new stuff the quality has seemed to suffer, I think the same thing has happened to dewalt, I just replaced my dewalt drills with some porter cables and I am amazed at the difference. But if your happy drinking gallo you might not care about what tool you use. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1658 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey John, Here's a pic of the Freak Drawer. Well at least that's what people call it....:  Everything is Snap-On except the midget wrenches in the lower left hand corner. Craftsman had a sweet deal on those for something like $38 and I couldn't pass it up. Paul '00 Pig | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 165 Registered: 03-2003 |
"I get a 40% corporate discount, and the Snap-On rep lives next door to the guy my dad sold his Manpower franchise to. Only problem, I don't get to buy off the truck, so no impulse buys." Whaaaaaaaat? You get a 40% discount off list on Snap-on tools and you're bottom feeding on eBay? Man, you are a cheap fuck. No wonder Snap-on wouldn't warranty your puller or your driver. If you buy the stuff from the local guy and keep him in business, he will be much more willing to warranty your tools and will even do stuff for you that he's not supposed to. Ho and I get asked all the time to warranty items that people bought elsewhere. We just laugh and tell the guy to have his broken shit warranted where he bought it. "Could craftsman be like gallo ... guest wine/tools?" "Guest tools"? I love it. You can even get one of these stickers for your tool box: http://ebay1.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_3d8be80b27c4fa401ca457b0faf6fa99/i-1.JP G http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_78fc7e41a96b7efcbea7cab6bd42808a/i-1.JP G Paul, that is one sweet tray. I dig the matching driver handles too. I always something freaky like this: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=54305&group_ ID=12839&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog What a two foot long 1/4" drive extension is good for is beyond me, but it would be cool to have one. | ||
| Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason) Senior Member Username: Jason Post Number: 511 Registered: 04-2002 |
There's nothing wrong with Craftsman as "guest" tools. Hell, they'd be the first I'd loan to a neighbor/friend. Very simple rule...you break it, you take it back to Sears, exchange it, and bring me back the new one. I can't even afford to own Snap-On, but I can afford to break Craftsman | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1791 Registered: 02-2002 |
John: The guy who acccepts my orders works in an office and does not get paid a commission. The puller was worn out in 1980, long before I was employed by my current employer and I could not have gone to my current rep. The screwdriver was at least 20 years old and was warranted by a Snap-On driver who was an irritable man who was only worthy of what I bought from him. I spent a few thousand dollars with him until I ended my employee/employer relationship with that employer. I am not a cheap fuck, I'm quite expensive. I AM a Cheap Bastard! In many things (guns and watchbands to name but two), but rarely my tools. Peace, Paul | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 849 Registered: 09-2002 |
... LOL Andy, when I moved to this country, my thoughts were like "NEVER AGAIN WILL I WORK ON MY CAR." so, I found it perfectly justified to buy a whole set of wrenches for 99 cents. One broke, the others just keep on enjoying the company of Craftsman, S&K, and Snap-On wrenches. The $5.99 set of sockets had a harder life... One of them I actually used as a 1/2"-3/4" adapter - by banging it into the 3/4" square of a hub nut socket! However, some of these suckers are so thick-walled that I can't break them with the impact gun. peter | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 345 Registered: 10-2002 |
You all have more time on your hands than I do. LOL By the way, Gallo has a few newer high end wines that have scored really well. | ||
| Mark (Mistert) New Member Username: Mistert Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2002 |
I was in Vegas not long ago and needed tools in an emergency and went to the Autozone and bought a set of nicely finished wrenches which have yet to fail me. Who is a Snap-On dealer? in LA? | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 283 Registered: 08-2002 |
Ok... now I want to throw in my 2 cents. Craftsman ratchets suck...they slide and don't "ratchet" as they age. F'n bloody knuckles! Their spanners and sockets are good. Snap on ratchets are far superior. Definitly buy snap-on ratchets, the action on them just get better with age. And their tool boxes rule. For the weekend wrencher like myself its 30% snap-on 60% craftsman and the remaining 10% are misc makes. Just really inspect what you buy and if you got the dough buy the better tool. And this is coming from a cheap fuck. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 591 Registered: 02-2003 |
I like the Gear wrench brand ratcheting box end wrenches best. They have a nice little cap on the end of the 15 deg offset type so that the fastener head does not slide thru. John I used to think after I went to gourmet beers I couldn't drink the cheap shit again. Well I have adapted. I feel that I am a real humanitarian for being able to enjoy all levels of quality. I appreciate even the smallest detail rather than fixate on those I don't like. It’s a very positive way to live your life. I feel bad that you have spoiled yourself and can now only enjoy top shelf. so buy a case of California’s worst sparkling white wine and a harbor freight socket set and put it on my EE tab, see how the other half lives and embrace the whiskey tango in all of us. rd | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2002 |
LOL Rob-  If you ever get over near Philadelphia pick up some Victory Hallentauer Pils from Victory Brewing Co. in Downingtown. A great pilsener! GregH | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2167 Registered: 10-2001 |
or take it a step further and go with the Victory Hop Devil. | ||
| Christian Kuhtz (Ckuhtz) New Member Username: Ckuhtz Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2003 |
Breaker bar to loosen the nut, and regular cordless drill with socket adapter/extension to spin it off, change tire, cordless drill to spin it back on, and torque wrench.. that's what I use at the track. And it works pretty well. Very cost conscious way of saving most of the hassle. Unless you got air, or AC power feed, I don't think the impact guns are worth the trouble for casual use. If you have plenty of air/nitrogen, air tool is the way to go. Most time is spent spinning the nuts on and off, not the actual breaking/tightening. Plus, impact guns aren't any good for tightening pressure, so, you'll need torque wrench regardless. When considering cordless impact guns, keep in mind the (replacement) cost of a cordless impact gun. Impact guns wear noticably, and eat batteries in a hurry (so, invest in spare packs, chargers while you're at it). Thanks, Christian | ||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 148 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob said: "I used to think after I went to gourmet beers I couldn't drink the cheap shit again. Well I have adapted. I feel that I am a real humanitarian for being able to enjoy all levels of quality. I appreciate even the smallest detail rather than fixate on those I don't like. It’s a very positive way to live your life." Rob, I always knew I liked you Adapt or die, let alone enjoy all you can in this short life. Karen | ||
| Chris Whybrew (Dcwhybrew) Member Username: Dcwhybrew Post Number: 48 Registered: 05-2003 |
Very good Christian...I like the idea of keeping it simple. By the way, I've never had a problem with my Stanley and Craftsman tools. They work just fine. Any chance this threads going to 100 posts? Let's challange ourselves and see if we can't get it to 150! HA! | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Senior Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 316 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey Mark! (Original poster) Are you confused yet? | ||
| Mark (Mistert) New Member Username: Mistert Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol, not confused one bit. I'm a certified car nut, and I recently purchased a 2003 E55, which I've been punishing and hauling ass around in - very fun to drive! But I do have plans to renovate my garage - linoleum checkered floor, decent size tool shop, etc. What I really want to do is go offroading around here(LA) with either the disco or rr, which I haven't done much. | ||
| Mark (Mistert) New Member Username: Mistert Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2002 |
I didn't plan on my post being this long, rather last a day and sink to the bottom. this is quite funny | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 330 Registered: 03-2002 |
you would be amazed at how a simple question can become a bloodbath, here. some folks love the smell of discoweb in the morning. often entertaining, always informative. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 206 Registered: 02-2003 |
Reckon I could refill a powertank by plugging it into Discoweb threads like this one.. Boy what a waste of bandwidth this became.... | ||
| Toddrover (Toddrover) Member Username: Toddrover Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2003 |
This was truly entertaining - and all the big names chimed in... | ||
| Toddrover (Toddrover) Member Username: Toddrover Post Number: 72 Registered: 04-2003 |
100 posts on this topic!!! I've been waiting!!!  | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Senior Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2002 |
It's not over yet. I can see the wine and beer buffs posting (did I see Rolex watches mentioned?), can't be bothered to go back and have a look. Where's Lance and his supercharger? | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 333 Registered: 03-2002 |
if we could work in some debates on ifs/irs vs. solid axels, this thing could be well on its was to being shut down like the last "spy photo" thread... maybe some brave soul should pipe in that: "i hear snap-on tools work best on independent suspensions." | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 423 Registered: 02-2002 |
Why do you guys care so much about post count? | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Senior Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 325 Registered: 10-2002 |
Because when it gets to 500+ it takes F#@&EN ages to open. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 383 Registered: 09-2002 |
Going back to the original post, I had reason to remove my front wheels this afternoon (spring swap) so I thought I would see how long it took me to remove the lug nuts with my air wrench/powertank setup. Not quite up to Nascar speed but 31 seconds is not bad. The lug nuts were hand torqued to 110nm prior to removal. Doesn't mean much in the driveway - well, a few extra minutes in the pool with the kids - but it's nice to know I won't be holding up 20 trucks on the trail while I change a tire, whether mine or somebody else's. |
