| Author | Message | ||
     Luke Tolson (Luke4696) New Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2003 |
Need some input regarding tire types and sizes for a Disco II with a 2" lift. I am considering 265/75/16 BFG AT-KO's but didn't know if this would appear to bulky over sized. Also, anyone having any luck with with new BFG Mud Terrain-KM's? How are they on the road? Noise and Vibration? Also, anyone running 265/70's or 275/70's All terrains? | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2161 Registered: 10-2001 |
that tire will look good on your truck. very common size for your setup. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) New Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2003 |
Thanks Garrett! Any word on those new MT-KM's tough? I ran All Terrains on my old Tahoe and wanted something a little more aggressive, and my dad has the new Goodyear MTR's on hit z-71 and hates them. I am up in the air about tire type at this point. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2163 Registered: 10-2001 |
MTR's seem really nice. there are a handful of folks on this BBS that run them. well running MTR's on a Z71 is like putting them on an explorer. why? they ain't gonna ride nice, be quiet or help your mileage. but if you want a good 10 ply tire that will get you places then it is a good replacement. if you want a nice street tire with far less guts buy some Bridgestone Dueler AT's. i run 32" cooper discoverer ST's on my D1 and am happy with them. not TOO agressive, but enough to get me further than most mild tires. | ||
| Barry (Barry) New Member Username: Barry Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2003 |
Luke, I started with the BFG AT/ko's 265/70/16's thinking the next size up would REALLY hurt that anemic 4.0 Buick. Fugedahboudid... on a DSII the OME, 265/75/16's work. Loss of power? Just drop down to 3rd to keep uphill speed. Do they fit? Might get a slight rubbing inside stock front fender/bumper. Still not happy? Hey, now you have an excuse to get a TJM/ARB/KVT winch bumper. Going from 265/70 to 265/75 gains you 1/2" of clearance. May not sound like much but, the extra 1/2" is sometimes all you need to ease through a trail. -Barry | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) New Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2003 |
Barry, Thanks for the input but the bull bar is already on and awaiting the lift and 265/75's. Now my only decision is which tire to use. Do I want BFG MT/KM's or BFG AT/KO's? MT's look the best and are better on the trails, but the AT's will do nice on my 50+ mile commute each way. So the question is, do I use the head in my pants or the one on my shoulders? -Luke | ||
| One_Bad_Metro (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 415 Registered: 02-2002 |
Luke- I've got 265/75 BFG MT KM on my D2 and they are fine on the road. Not appreciably noisier than ATs and my mileage has not changed one bit. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) New Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2003 |
Well then....ding, ding, ding.... we have a winner. MT/Km's it is! | ||
| Rover Puppy (Rover_puppy) New Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2003 |
Luke, Last month, I completed 2" OME lift on my D2 and am running BFG 265/75/R16 Mud Terrains. I was afraid they would look way too big and bulky - especially since it was necessary to replace my stock 18" alloys with stock 16" alloys. It was a very pleasant surprise when my D2 actually looked better, even though at the time I still had stock bumper. I did just replace my stock bumper with TJM and superwinch, and I can't tell you how pleased I am with the ground clearance that I have gained. Overall, a HUGE improvement. Fitting my tires did not require any cutting, although my techs did make a few adjustments after testing it on dealership "off road track". I expected noise and vibration after modifications, but have had no change at all. In fact, my rover now handles much better and feels even tighter on the street, which I am VERY HAPPY about. However, off roaders with much more experience than I have told me that this will change with time as my suspension settles and tires get some wear on them. For now, even with all windows down and stereo off, I can not hear my tires at all. The modifications that I have made have slowed me down a bit on the street and highway as I adjust to the change in center of gravity - but, that is not such a bad thing! I do plan to drive cross country on my mud terrains. For me, traveling a bit slower on the highway is well worth the agressive change. Burying the entire nose of my stock D2 in Florida mud got old very fast. I would highly recommend Rovertym sliders WITH nerf bar if you go with similar set up -- I'd NEVER be able to get in and out of my rover without them!! Wish I had photos I could show you. Let me know if you would like to see what 265/75/R16's look like on D2? Sometime this week I will travel to neighboring city to hook up with another DWeb member (for MORE advice!) who knows how to take and also post digital photos. I am sure he would be willing to take photos for you to see. Best wishes! Jamie | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1650 Registered: 02-2002 |
Go MTR, you will not be sorry. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) New Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2003 |
Jamie, Thanks for the helpful advice. Regarding the install of your kit, did you have this done by LandRover in Tampa? The people at LandRover of Solon, Oh. (closest to Cleveland) said they wouldn't touch anything aftermarket which is somewhat disconcerting as I am new to the area. I recently relocated from Orlando where there were people I could trust with my Vehicles for aftermarket accessories. Now I am begging the local mechanic to take a look at my truck and bringning him countless tech info on installs so he doesn't get confused. Oh well, such is life. But I am certainly set on the 265/75 MT-KM's as soon as the OME kit goes on, so your input was a big help. Good luck on the cross country trek. -Luke p.s. what kind of aftermarket 16 inch rims did you bolt on? | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) New Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2003 |
Luke, Dimmitt in Clearwater is doing all my work. Getting work started was more than challenging, from what I understand most dealerships are hesitant to do modifications. However, I NEEDED my dealership to do the work, as I have NO SKILLS in such areas. I have found that the most important ingredient is TRUST on BOTH sides. In many ways, I feel I had to earn the trust of my dealership as a RESPONSIBLE CUSTOMER and D2 owner. It sounds like perhaps you had that trusting relationship in Orlando with your tech? I spent a gazzilion hours in research (and am still at it). I too begged, cried, and even had a few temper tantrums before getting my work started. I have been a humongous PIA to several other Disco owners. Without those patient individuals, I would have crashed and burned long ago. For weeks, I read this BB until I was bleary eyed. I still bring lots of printed material to my techs. I am very fortunate that since work finally got underway, that they are enjoying the mods. In many ways, we have all learned together. I think my Disco is the first that they have prepared for driving lessons(!) in Moab. I chose to stick with stock alloys when I switched wheels. My patience and persistence paid off when I purchased all 5 (brand new) "take offs" for $150 each. D2 will take 16" wheels for Disco years 99-03 OR Range Rover years 95-02 (RR changed the bolt pattern again in 03). Because of the current "street truck" craze, many rover buyers are trading out their stock wheels at purchase for larger wheels with thin tires. I would suggest getting your name out to as many dealers as possible for such, and then wait. I had my tires way before I found wheels. When I made my tire choice, I checked for best prices on the web, and then called local tire shops. I found 3 shops in my area that were willing to meet online prices. I purchased mine at nearest store, at "in and out the door" price, since I was having Dimmitt mount them. BTW, 16" spare with 265/75/R16 mounts perfectly on rear cargo door when bracket is flipped over. Hang in there as you are finding someone to do the work for you. Now, I KNOW that I was blessed by each frustrating refusal to do work that I encountered. As I have become more educated, I am more grateful for all of the knowledge that I have acquired about my rover, and more than grateful that I have knowledgable techs doing my work (somehow I think that is going to be VERY IMPORTANT for me when I meet up with intimidating and scarey terrain). For sure, I have decided that there is no end to this insanity? My under carriage protection guards and roof rack just arrived, so rover is about to go in again soon for installs. Somedays, I really wonder if I will ever have a "real life" again? I am now online studying to choose and order the next batch of parts that I need to go to very scary places! I know I would be lost if not for this BB!! I could never have imagined how much fun off roading could be, but I frequently wonder about the ratio of hours preparing, fixing, cleaning up VERSUS the hours spent having HUGE FUN!! You are going to love the changes that the mods will bring for your rover!! I DREADED seeing what mine was going to look like, the dealership even kept it in back so that I did not have to see it when I came in to pick it up. Now, I would NOT want to go back to stock ever -- the changes are so much better! My rover is much more capable -- even if I am not! (at least not yet, anyway!). Have fun, Jamie | ||
| Parrish R. Blackmon (Discoveryfl) Member Username: Discoveryfl Post Number: 76 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jaime, I'm in Tampa also. Would like to know where you had your work done. Maybe we can share some tech. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 680 Registered: 02-2002 |
She kinda said for you in the first line - "Dimmitt in Clearwater is doing all my work." | ||
| Parrish R. Blackmon (Discoveryfl) Member Username: Discoveryfl Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2002 |
Great. Thanks for pointing out my oversight. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) New Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 15 Registered: 05-2003 |
Parrish, No problem. Do you ever participate in Florida Land Rover Club (www.floridalandroverclub.com) or DiscoCrazy (www.discocrazy.org) events? Both are based in Tamps and there is MUCH EXCELLENT EXPERTISE on rovers available through these organizations. Both even have much tolerance and advice for tenderfoot newbies! Check them out, all events are GREAT FUN! Jamie | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 43 Registered: 05-2003 |
Parrish, Jamie is dead on it, both the Palimino Rover Round Up and FL ROVER CLUB events this year were great!!! Look forward to seeing you there. -Jim | ||
| Barry (Barry) New Member Username: Barry Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2003 |
Luke, You reside in Cleveland where winter lasts three months. Is the majority of your driving on pavement? IMHO if you have to ask, "Do I need mud tires?"...the answer is no. With the BFG AT/Ko's you can have better street performance than a mudder, AND great trail traction. You can even kick the AT's up a notch. Buy a set of RUD 4-matic chains and laugh at the next "school closing" blizzard. When spring comes and a trail appears impossibly muddy...throw the RUD's on. Still worried about getting stuck. Well, that's what winches are for. -Barry | ||
| Nate Jedinak (Ducati) New Member Username: Ducati Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2002 |
I run BFG AT's in Columbus, OH; they really are perfect for this climate. We don't have enough trails to justify running mudders all the time, IMO, and the AT's are even better on the road than my original XPCs (and waaaay better offroad). Big bonus for snowbelter Cleveland folk is they are incredible in the snow. The snow this winter was laugable in my disco. Our Freelander did very well, too, although snow over a 14" deep would start to slow it. No prob for the disco on BFG AT's. | ||
| Jeremy J. Parkhouse (Jeremy) New Member Username: Jeremy Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2003 |
Rover Puppy, I am awaiting the arrival of TJM bumper. I already have XD9000 winch + OME 3" lift kit (waiting to fit). I may only go for 2" lift though. Interested to hear what your spring choice was. Jeremy Parkhouse (DiscoII, 2002 non ACE) (Dhahran, Saudi Arabia) | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 286 Registered: 08-2002 |
Remember GY MT-R's are "Maximum Traction" not "Mud Terrains". Just wanted to point that out. | ||
| Zach Jaggers (Mountenn) Senior Member Username: Mountenn Post Number: 314 Registered: 03-2003 |
Luke, I switched from AT's to MT/KM's about a month and a half ago (265/75R16 on a DI). To be honest, I can't tell if there is a noise difference, and my gas mileage has not gone down at all. They look mean, perform well, and have a 40K tread life. Get them at Wal-mart--they were like $165/ea, and if they mount them for you, you get free lifetime balance/rotation, free lifetime flat repair, and for the first 25% of the tread life (or one year, whichever is sooner) they will replace the tire FOR FREE if they cannot repair the flat. All 5 tires ended up being around $960, mounted and balanced (including the warranties mentioned above). Go BFG Mud Terrains--you won't be sorry. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1277 Registered: 04-2002 |
Luke, I'm running the Good Year MT-R's in 265/75/16 on a 2001 D2 with 2" lift. I love the tire. I've been running GY MT-R's for about 20k miles now. I started with 235/85/16's and ended up selling and switching to the 265's. Both the same height, but the 235's on the D2 rim are just too narrow and don't provide adequate sidewall protection for the rim in my opinion. Anyway, I have some pics floating around on here somewhere of the two tires side by side, but would give you an idea. If you are near SW Florida, you are welcome to come take a look. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2002 |
luke, for what its worth, the bfg 255/85-km's look amazing on the D2 (33" tire) 1" taller than the 265 and just under 1" narrower. i put a set on a D1 and a D2 and its a perfect fit!!! marc | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) New Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 30 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jeremy, My entire suspension components are Old Man Emu. Bill Burke from www.bb4wa.com made the choices on all those parts (as well as wheels and tires) after discussing the terrain where he will be teaching me to off road, how much weight I will be carrying, where I will do most of my offroad drving at later dates, "highway manners" of my rover to be expected after modifications, and my skill level (or rather unskill level at this point??). In addition, driving a "truck" has been relatively new to me. The greatest challenge to date being highway driving in a high profile vehicle, especially traveling at high speeds and vulnerable to the drafts from semi's. I did not enjoy my first "fishtailing" experience. It was only because of the few off road skills that I HAVE acquired that enabled me to pull out of that horrible experience. Saying I was scared would be a huge understatement. That being said, I was tentative about making ANY modifications that might make my rover harder to handle on the highway. I was very impressed with how Bill asked me many questions and took everything into account to choose what would be best for me. Another one of my concerns was getting all the new equipment to work well together. I actually asked him if there was any way that I could skip the adjustment process, and just get everything working together properly from the "get go". He thought that was pretty funny, and he assured me that he knew exactly what would be best for me, and that it would all function properly together from the start. He sure gained my confidence. I had become totally frustrated and confused attempting to figure out what was best. When I ordered my suspension components from bb4wa, I chose to name them the "mystery parts" (it was great to finally get to apply some humor about the suspension section!) They gave me great prices, and shipped them out to me right away. I would highly recommend that you contact Bill and Rachel at www.bb4wa.com, be totally honest about your strengths and weaknesses, goals, etc. Then follow Bill's advice. For me, I decided that this section was like - which came first, the chicken or the egg? Having the right "parts" on my rover would get me to good places to learn to drive in otherwise inaccesable areas - but, I had no experience - so how in the world would I even have a clue about what parts were "best" for me? Finances were also of big concern to me. It took many, many months for me to FINALLY make the decision to equip my rover in order to get to good places. Spending the money once to do so was going to be hard enough, I sure did not want to find out that I had made the wrong choices. Maybe some people have money to burn, and can afford to change out parts easily. I don't. My goal is to see beautiful places that I have only seen in books. I can not even imagine what they will look like in person. I also really want to hear what "quiet" really sounds like out there. I just may make it "out there" thanks to the input of a few humble and very experienced off roaders who have displayed great patience with a "newbie". After all the heartache I caused myself trying to figure that section out, I am happy to report that all my components do work perfectly together. Everything "tightened up", my rover is more responsive, and there is NO MORE PLAY in the steering like I had when I was stock. As dumb as it sounds, it feels like I am driving on a cloud. The highway driving is MUCH better for me. You know how rovers are so responsive off road? With Bills choices, I have some of that same responsiveness even on the road. I vote that you contact Bill, and work with him to figure out what is best FOR YOU. The set up for your needs would probably be entirely different from mine. You know that saying: "If you can't run with the big dogs, don't get off the porch". That's a darn good motto, IMHO. I am just working to get my rover set up to get off the porch while also staying within my comfort level. There are many, many drivers out there way better than me, and have way better prepared rovers. When the big dogs start running, I have every intention to climb back up on the porch and wait patiently until they return! I hope this helps. Probably not the answer you expected. There are a few areas where I think I have learned enough to know what I am talking about - but, this is defenitely NOT one of them! Jamie | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) New Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2003 |
BTW Jeremy, I made the choice on TJM, not Bill. At this point, going with a bumper that was not air bag tested would have been a bad choice for me. ARB bumpers with winch are just way too low for mud and swampy conditions near home. I chose TJM hoping that little bit of extra clearance and better visibility of winch on TJM will make a difference in mud and swamps. However, I did purchase SuperWinch because that was Bills choice for teaching me to use winch safely. Jamie | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) New Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2003 |
Refer to my profile for updated pictures of my truck after the installation of an OME 2" lift as well as stablilizer bar and 265/75 BFG MT/KM's. I appreciate all of the input from Discoweb and am looking forward to getting the truck dirty (as if it's not already dirty in the picture...) in the near future. Once again, thanks  Regards, Luke |
