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Reed Cotton (Reedcotton)
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Username: Reedcotton

Post Number: 169
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I have determined that my 96 D1 won't start due to either a bad starter, or a bad solenoid.

I have just spent the good part of the afternoon trying to remove the starter. The top bold (and whoever told Rover that it was cool to hold it on with that cute little hexa-drive bolt should be made to work on my truck).

The top bolt to the starter is apparently frozen in time and space. The bottom one came loose after I applied mucho torque, but once the torque broke, it was easy. The problem with the top is that it looks like there is very limited access to it.

Are there any short cuts to yanking this pos out of the truck?
 

James Micheal Fulcher (Jamesf)
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Username: Jamesf

Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I had to change mine after a few submarine excursions, and I agree, that starter wasnt designed to be taken off easily. I ended up using a long extension and found a small area that I could get access to the starter from. It does take a lot of effort and a good amount of penetrating oil on the bolts to get it loose. Just wait though, putting it back on is even better, that bolt is really fun to line back up to put in.
Good luck, hope your nuckles fare better than mine did.
 

Chad Mayes (Cmayes)
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Username: Cmayes

Post Number: 77
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I used a 6"-8" allen wrench on mine. I had to wedge my arm in there and "bounce" on it but it did break loose. When I reassembled mine I put the bottom bolt in almost all the way and then started the upper bolt; this seemed to work well.

Have you taken off the upper heat shield? It improves access slightly.
 

Reed Cotton (Reedcotton)
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Username: Reedcotton

Post Number: 170
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

James-

My knuckles are already raw! I didn't think of the penetrating oil idea myself until after I had cleaned up last night (That was a long an filthy story alll by itself.) I was able to spray a good quantity over the offending bolt though. I sure hope it helps.

Yeah! I'm really looking forward to reassembly.

Chad-

Good idea on reassembly starting with the lower bolt. In my grimy rage I probably would not have thought about it. After discovering that the heat sheidl was not a by the numbers removal (per the Haynes manual). I managed to get it loose, and out of the way. It does give a lot more room to work with. (Relativly speaking.)

Thanks for the advice guys,
-Reed
 

Reed Cotton (Reedcotton)
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Username: Reedcotton

Post Number: 176
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ok I got the starter loose and out of the truck. Only broke the knock sensor doing it. I don't suppose these can be found at the local NAPA???

BTW - I finally got the top bolt off by cutting a one inch long piece off a 5/16 Allen wrench. Finding a 5/16" socket (the only one I had was 1/4" drive) adding an 1/4 to 3/8" drive adapter to the socket. Using every 3/8" drive extension I had in my shop, my 109, my barn and anywhere else I have a tool stash. there was just enough play with all the connections to bend the extensions out of the way of the more solid obstacles (motor mount). Once I got extended past the air dam, I used a breaker bar with a 2-ft pipe extension on it. To this lever I added my considerable bulk and suddenly the torque broke. Lighter people you may want to bulk up.

Does the knock sensor need to be connected to the ECU for the engine to run? OK! Ok! Ok! I'll replace it.

Thanks for the advice.

-Reed
 

Chad Mayes (Cmayes)
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Username: Cmayes

Post Number: 80
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That's crazy. I'll count myself lucky. I applaud you for using the pipe for leverage instead of beating your truck.

I have a friend with a Dodge (enough said) that was doing some suspension work in my garage. I got home and found a new hammer on my bench. He had beaten the bumper of his truck so hard he broke the hammer handle.
 

Reed Cotton (Reedcotton)
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Username: Reedcotton

Post Number: 178
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The part that could hav4e been unhealthy for me, was putting my weight on the overstressed 1/4' to 3/8" adapter. I think I'll take it down to Sears today for a replacement.

Did the new hammer have a fiberglass handle?
 

Kydisco (Kydisco)
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Username: Kydisco

Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Count yourself lucky. When I tried to take my top bolt out the hex head was rounded off inside. Took two weeks and a friend of mine who is an airplane mechanic to get it out, then when we put the new used starter in at around 11:30 at night it was bad also, uuggg.

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