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Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Could a bad fuel pump cause the engine to rev between 1000 and 1600 with the IAC disconnected? It revs up and down rather quickly.
 

Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor)
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Post Number: 598
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

turn off air cond too.

any vacume leaks?

is engine at tempature when you the test? have the o2 sensors warmed up and are giving feedback?

fuel pump doent sound like it. the regulator should keep it steady and if anything it would be low, in my opinion.

rd
 

Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Rob,
Engine was at operating temp.
Air cond. was off.

Also, I may not have made it clear about the revving. It doesn't simply rev up and stay there, it cycles quickly up and down from about 1000 to 1600 rpms.
 

Shaun Power (Shaunp)
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 02:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Air flow meter I reckon,try cleaning the connector and sensor wires with contact clean spray(not WD40)
 

Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Shaun, When you say the sensor wires, do you mean the mesh area on the inlet?
 

Shaun Power (Shaunp)
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 05:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

No the the hot and cold wires are inside the ventury in a bypass port off to one side. These are the things that can get covered with dust or oil if you run a K&N or Uni filter. Make sure you only use proper electronic contact cleaner.
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
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Post Number: 1794
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Cyclic surging like you have described is more commonly caused by a vacuum leak or (believe it or not) low coolant (messes up sensor readings).

If it seems as though there is a switc causing the engine speeds to vary, I would first look at coolant level.
 

Blake Monchilovich (Azblake)
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I had mine hunting at idle due to a cooked ignition amplifier module.
 

Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Blake,
I am thinking that my be my problem as well...did you end up relocating your ignition amp module when you replaced it?
 

Love Jones (The_tool_man)
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

yes.. i know 100% it is your maf gone bad.

if the connections are not clean, then it is dead.

$250 motors ltd.com
 

Land Rover Certified Used A**hole (Jason)
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Post Number: 529
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Coming from the expert...
 

Shaun Power (Shaunp)
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 05:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I normally find the ign amp also causes the car to just stop. Temp sensors are easy to check just heat in water and measure the resistance.
32 deg f = about 5800 ohm
68 = 2500
104 = 1200
176 = 350
212 = 180
give or take a bit.
 

Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

This would explain why mine has "stopped" several times...just like the switch was turned off. It would always start back up after a few minutes. I have heard that the ign amp on the 94's go bad due to the location/heat. I suppose I should relocate the new one when I get it????
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
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Post Number: 1802
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Mark:
While you're at it, save some bucks and replace it with a GM amplifier!
 

Love Jones (The_tool_man)
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

part number pual??
 

michael harrington (Mike97d1)
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

mine had the same idle problem.i got some electronics cleaner at home depot,took out my mass air sensor and sprayed it down a few times. it's been fine for three months
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
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Post Number: 1811
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The Sorensen EL 102 works fine. Wire it up the same way as the GM HEI distributors. If you get it wrong, you just blow a fuse.

Use a big heatsink.
 

Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Paul,
That EL102 sounds great...can you give me a rough idea of how to wire it in? They have one local here at Advance for 12.99!! Also, with regard to your previous suggestion that coolant level or a temp sensor might cause the cyclical surging with the IAC disconnected, wouldn't I notice some overheating problems or high temp readings if that were the case? As always, your expert opinion is always appreciated.
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
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Post Number: 1813
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Mark:
First off, the coolant level only needs to be low enough that the sensor is not immersed at some point in the operating cycle. If it is low and then expands due to temperature variations to where it covers the sensor, the problem goes away.

I learned this the hard way on a Toyota I put an engine into last fall. Ran great, but it felt as though someone was pushing a switch to force the engine to rev, but once the vehicle came to operating temperature, the cycling would go away. I topped off the coolant and Bingo, the cycling went away.

As for the EL-102, there are four connections, two go to the pick up coil-with little to no regard for polarity. The other two go to the coil. If you wire it up backwards, it blows the fuse and reverse the wires and away you go. The case must be grounded and as the device dissipate a tremendous amount of energy as heat, you must provide for a means to remove this heat. I have used large aluminum heat sinks...

Peace,
Paul
 

Mark McLain (Mtndisco)
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Username: Mtndisco

Post Number: 28
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Paul, Thanks for the information...I have an old PC Processor heat sink that should work well on it. I'll let you know what happens...
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
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Username: Paulschram

Post Number: 1832
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Mark:
There are some pics proving I have really done it on the Pirate board.
 

Love Jones (The_tool_man)
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

hey paul and mark..

do you think that the this could be my problem as well?

on my 95 disco, where would my amp be located? i see something beside the ign coil. can you email me the web site with pics, so i can connect mine properly?

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