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     David Gage (Davidg) Member Username: Davidg Post Number: 150 Registered: 02-2002 |
Nice article about Uwharrie Safari in the August issue of LRM, 2 pages and several pictures. Good job Paul Morgan and Steve Hoare. David | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1728 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Dave, The good thing about LRM is that they are trying to cover more North American events / trips / vehicles. I haven't seen the issue yet, but have heard from several folks that it's a good one. Paul Looking forward to SAE | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 241 Registered: 01-2003 |
Yes, Ron was in several photos in the July issue. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1730 Registered: 02-2002 |
Very Very Cool. I got my copy today. The Pig made it on the cover! | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2188 Registered: 10-2001 |
damn paul. money shots and all? who are you sleeping with to get that honor? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1731 Registered: 02-2002 |
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| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 410 Registered: 11-2002 |
"The good thing about LRM is that they are trying to cover more North American events / trips / vehicles" You could say that Paul , or you could say that the bar gets lowered. The Dirt road safari and SAE certainly aint magazine material , unless you are desperate for material...  Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Chris von C. (Chrisvonc) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Chrisvonc Post Number: 1151 Registered: 07-2002 |
LOL.. Bar gets lowered compaired to what? Have you looked in the other LR mags? Thats all the other mags ever have is dirt road "green lane" trips. Every once in a while they have the Belgium natnl or something like it but other than that, there is not much in the way of exciting events by US standards when it comes to covering outings let alone US events which if covered is usally a very weak 1 page (if that) write up. At least LRM is breaking the ground and seperating themselves for the others by reconizing that there is a US audiance and that they are going to give the US more attention. And they are the only LR mag going to be issuing US specific editions for us starting with the Sept. issue. Chris von C. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2189 Registered: 10-2001 |
well at least they are writing about shit that is across the pond. might not be the hardcore Moab stuff, but at least it is showing the Brits and others we have a decent following over here. and by decent i mean people like myself. and a chance for paul to get some calls from all those betty Euro babes!! and like Chris said....both LRM and LRO don't have much in the way of hardcore wheeling....like he said it is mostly the green lane trails with twigs and branches. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 411 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh I hear some lips puckering there Chris. Who cares if they throw more attention this way if that is what they are going to cover ? And how does that show we have a "Decent following" ? Because Buffy and Miffy show up at the MAR completely clueless in thier shiny new worthless 03 Disco ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2190 Registered: 10-2001 |
your decent Kyle!! right? but then again your name is not Buffy. mine is not either, but close. sure MAR, SAE and Uhwarrie are not the balls to the wall off road events that we would like them all to be, but they do a good job of getting people interested at some level. not everyone can afford (money and time wise) to take lots of time off and dump lots of time and money into their trucks. but MAR ( and similar local events) make it easier for the masses to get involved and at LEAST take their trucks off pavement and away from all the soccer fields and target parking lots. i for one like MAR simply for the social aspect of seeing friends i don't get to see very often. that alone is good enough reason for me to go. and then add lots of rovers and some pretty decent trails.....well then it's even better. i can do without some of the craziness at night of young drunk fuckers driving around, but we won't go there again. weed out that shit and you are good to go. '03 Discos worthless? damn. the only thing i saw worthless at MAR last year was a Freelander on a flatbed. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2389 Registered: 02-2002 |
But... if they show up at MAR, and get a taste of getting some mud on their Rover.... and do it again the next year, go to Uwharrie, or SAE, etc. etc.... before long, you find them figuring out how to put bigger mudders on the thing, swapping the t-case to get a lockable center diff, etc. etc... Baby-steps, Kyle, it's a good place to show 'em the ropes, get 'em hooked, try to teach 'em to do a few things right, before they go off on their own to Tellico.... Take my wife for example. She wanted her Rover so that she'd fit the soccer-mom image. Now, she gets a kick out of following 4-wheelers and needing to get tugged off of berms... It'll hook ya: we're junkies, and we're trying to make new addicts.... IMHO, FWIW..... -L | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2390 Registered: 02-2002 |
Doh! Garrett jumped in there..... But I agree: no, going to MAR or Uwharrie or SAE isn't anything like going cross-country to do Moab then back, but, it's a start. Much better than keeping the thing in the parking lot at Starbucks..... -L | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 412 Registered: 11-2002 |
And the next thing you know LEs , the trails at the GW are closed because some idiots dont know how to act. I for one dont like to advertise my play grounds... And I am not comparing anything I do to what I see done. I am simply saying that if the mags want to cover the vehicles then they should cover them doing the impossible/impassible. Not the Dirt road safari. Its a little Embarrasing if you looked at the two mags and compared these events to what the Jeeps are doing. Now isnt it ? Doesnt it make you look worse and not better ? Now as far as the baby steps. I didnt just fall off the truck yesterday , yes I am aware of them but should you end up in print as the best they had to offer while you are in the middle of taking these steps ? I dont think so... It just lowers the bar... Check out this site for instance. More readers to a broader audience then any of the LR mags. Most dont think much of getting a gallery here anymore because its so easy to get in. Just send the pic and the print... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 903 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL Kyle, I am yet to see a "hardcore" or "extreem" LR mag. The Jeep mags that you mention - out of any article there, fugure what the total driving distance is - to the trail, around, and back. Most of this stuff is local Tellico boys or SoCal or Moab. If shit ain't broken throughout the day, the day's wasted. It's the same weekend warrior kinda stuff. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 414 Registered: 11-2002 |
All , I keep hearing "The way it is". The way it is doesnt interest me at all. There was a time when we didnt have phone service either. I am talking about the way it should be. Yes the jeepers break the living piss out of everything they own. NO , they dont have to. Its just the nature of owning a Cheap truck. But it has been proven time and time again that you can run these same trails that the Jeepers hold as Holy and come out un scathed. Its hard , yes , but shouldnt that be what rates the press ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Neal Glessner (Nealg) Senior Member Username: Nealg Post Number: 689 Registered: 02-2002 |
Kyle, It is obvious you haven't seen the photos or you wouldn't be calling it a "dirt road safari". Most of the pictures are from a private group outing on some of the toughest trails at GWNF. | ||
| Chris von C. (Chrisvonc) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Chrisvonc Post Number: 1153 Registered: 07-2002 |
I dont know about the lip puckering comment but I am excited about it. I admit it, I'm thrilled. The more attention to any US runs/events no matter how boring you may think they are, is better than no coverage. And evidently enough other people do care about it and feel the same way or they would not be going through the effort. So far in 2003, LRM has had 4 US event spreads with at least 2 more that we know of coming up. In all the other mags I have bought this year, I have yet to see anything more than a paragragh in any of them regarding US events. Granted, since I dont subscribe to the others, I occasionally do miss an issue or 2 at the stands so I could be wrong on the count but my point is that I am sick of paying money every month and seeing the same thing over and over again. I agree, most of the US stuff covered I too sometimes find boring, but if I am going to pay to see boring green laning at least I'm going with the US coverage of it and maybe see some people I know or places I have been. Like Leslie said, lets get them hooked and then move then up to crack. LOL CVC | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 415 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes Chris , you are exactly the kind of guy that would french kiss the ride along to get in the mag. (Its kinda like wanting shiny shocks)And you would certainly want to stay in nice nice with them. As far is the coverage and the new users. Who cares ? Is there some benefit to more and more and more people flooding the back woods ? more people flooding into trails ultimately means trail closures. So I am not sure I understand the point of moving them up to anything ??? I rarely go at all anymore because anything decent has been closed. Why has it been closed ? Because morons flooded in and sooner or later some of them do something ignorant and thats the end of that. Now explain to me again why it is a goal to bring more and more in ? And why is it imortant to put it in magazines in such a way that , well , the shit is just easy.. Buffy and Miffy can drive that shit in the worthless ass 03 Disco and it dont take long for them to hit the trail.............. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 705 Registered: 02-2003 |
the only good reason to bring more in is because then maybe Land Rover wont bitchify the trucks so much if they know people are going to use them... but on the other had i think it's too late to change the tide. rd | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 416 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh they wont eh ? What about the new 03 that Buffy and Miffy are driving ? Keep up Rob ..... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 905 Registered: 09-2002 |
Rob, the LR will bitchify the trucks anyway. It's just a bit behind the others. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2392 Registered: 02-2002 |
Okay, Kyle.... Let's spin it this way..... Let's get the magazines to play up about Buffy and Miffy doing the dirt-road safaris, so they will think that they're impressing their friends by being in the rags, that all of the readers of those rags think that those dirt-road safaris are cutting edge, and they all go to those instead. Then, that'll leave the real trails free and open, without people getting them closed for being stupid. The idea works either way...... magazines covering the Buffies in their muddy mall-crawlers will help you. At least as I see it...... -L | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 417 Registered: 11-2002 |
You would like to think that but at the Dirt road Grand Prix they get all pumped up and you got everyone telling them what a beast the ragged ass 03 is. Next thing ya know...... Well , we all seen it , I dont have to explain. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 34 Registered: 01-2003 |
From what I'm gathering in this conversation, Kyle's really got it in for this 03 Disco. It's got 200+ improvements, it's gotta be good! | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2192 Registered: 10-2001 |
no kyle just does not like people called Buffy and Miffy. come on kyle....you know at one point you were cruising in a *new* (at the time) D1 with short hair and green izod!! many of us started off as degenerate 'miffy's' and have since progressed. then again some of us have not. we have to embrace the '03 to some degree. in 10 years we will all be driving one. modified, but still an '03. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2393 Registered: 02-2002 |
Actually, I'm gonna wait for an '04 to come off of a lease, that way I'll have a CDL..... -L | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 418 Registered: 11-2002 |
"It is obvious you haven't seen the photos or you wouldn't be calling it a "dirt road safari". Most of the pictures are from a private group outing on some of the toughest trails at GWNF" Thats just it Neal , there arent any "Tough trails" in there... Maybe an obstacle here and there. Certainly nothing to get the heart rate up. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Neal Glessner (Nealg) Senior Member Username: Nealg Post Number: 691 Registered: 02-2002 |
So Kyle, If you want this sport to be so low keyed why do you promote Discoweb and all of Discoweb's propaganda that point people to the site? Based on trail closures, I don't see how a monthly publication like LRM can do much harm having a few pages dedicated to North America when Discoweb reaches thousands of people daily. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 909 Registered: 09-2002 |
Neal, maybe the audience is different? | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 202 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle, I wheel' a lot in the Uhwarries since it is close to me. I can say, it is pretty easy when it is dry since all of the red clay is dried and provides a lot of traction. But when the water starts falling from the sky, all of that red clay makes traction scarce. On top of that, there are about 4 trails that are fairly difficult as is in the dry. When it gets wet they become even more difficult. One section is known as Kodak Rock and has caused many drivetrain failures as well as body panel rearrangement. There are also many hill climbs that offer little traction in the dry and hardly any when all of the clay is wet. Yea, the Uhwarrie Safari is not the most difficult rally out there. But it sure was fun. Max T. My .02 cents | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 697 Registered: 03-2002 |
Yeah, yeah, you guys are all making great points, and Kyle's right, GWNF is a ton of light trails and fire roads with a few obstacles that are a pain without a locker or winch...but...shit, what about being famous. I've been trying my whole life to get famous...isn't that what everyone wants? Wouldn't you just love to anchor your local news. Shit, why stop there, ABC News, Peter Jennings here I come!! Hangin' off a truck on the cover of LRM...are you kiddin me? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 419 Registered: 11-2002 |
Neal , I dont think you have ever once seen me give directions to a trail. Now have you ? If you have been around long enough you might also remember a time that Ron got an ass ripping from me along with a few other morons for some things that went down in the GW. You might also remember that I called the Rangers station and reported said morons (who they were actually looking for already). If you have paid attention you might also see that my number one most reccomended mod is "Dont be a dumb ass". Magazine articles dont exactly come off that way do they ? They also like to promote certain places and even go so far as to add directions some times. Now dont they ? And last but not least. "Getting away from it all" isnt getting away from it all when "It all" follows you when you try to get away.... Now is it ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1735 Registered: 02-2002 |
Maybe, I am reading to far into this but....... Hey Kyle, NEWS HEADLINE: MOAB is not secret, Salt Lake is not a secret, all the trails in the state of California are not a secret either. The WWW is full of wonderful facts on such trails. Everytime one of your videos comes out, people offer many praises, compliments, thumbs-up, whatever; for the footage of all the trails and places your crew goes to (those who buy them anyway). The same would happen if one of these said name trips made it in a mag. I remember when John Lee's bad ass defender made it on a mag cover. A lot of people thought that was great! So a few guys go out to GWNF for a weekend of fun. Guess what, GWNF is not a secret either and it's been around a lot longer than us. So these guys get together on DWEB and list directions and OH NO; some pics make it into a magazine. Oh the horror man! But wait! There is more to the crisis! The Uwharrie Safari is not the Congo or the Amazon Forest. But it is a local place for folks to have fun. Do you remember fun Kyle? The nice folks at CROC work hard to organize an event and OH NO; more pics in a mag. Damn, how did that happen? Kyle, just fucking relax. Paul Morgan | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2002 |
You are absolutely right Paul , and absolutely wrong at the same time. There are many places that , although not secret , arent advertised either. I like how you framed that in true smart ass fashion but you are just simply wrong... I will finish off in a bit.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 158 Registered: 04-2003 |
shit, Kyle...you need to take down the thick black drapes, remove the bars from the windows, unlock the 10 deadbolts on your front door, and move your ass out west. Out here, the great wide open is great, wide, open, and respected...   | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 920 Registered: 09-2002 |
... and wherever you take a picture, there's a couple of hiking boots in it... | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2396 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blue, We've got the similar thing here, it's just covered in fur.... it's all in knowing where to look...  -L | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 421 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yep , until someone advertises directions on how to get there... Same with you Blue.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 713 Registered: 02-2003 |
blue where is the one on the GC rim you took last april at sunset, thats a good pic. rd | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 164 Registered: 04-2003 |
that Grand Canyon sunrise pic up there was taken about 56 hours ago and it's a private spot the Sedona sunrise pic was taken 24 hrs before that - not nearly as private, but not advertised either. if you'd like to retire to the Lounge, I'll give you some details... P.S. nice fur, Leslie | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 926 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, the words are important - fur.... it's all in knowing where to look... | ||
| D Cantrell (D_cantrell) New Member Username: D_cantrell Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2003 |
Kyle, I know this will come across as a slam from me to you but believe me its not, Over the years your purist ideals for everything Land Rover seem to have gone extreme and no arguing most of it was earned bloody knuckles and all . And we all appreciate your passion and or insanity that IMO keeps this BBS alive. But now think global? Ill bet the editor of LRM & LROW would welcome a Yank Land Rover Celebrity such as your self to be a free lance reporter. To reinforce my idea Ill beat any thing you write would have more interest to us and on this side of the pond than reading about some shit hole in Africa where a series II broke down you might have to edit all your colorful metaphors Besides I'm sure Paul would love to pick apart your adventures into some of the untapped secret of road trail in North America on this board Before you tell me to fuck off have a serious thought on that one then tell me to piss off.... Cheers | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 413 Registered: 02-2002 |
It's all about PR - someone pushed hard to get MAR covered - or not that hard really. Those mags have North American writers and it isn't too hard to engage them. By the way, most articles in LRM and LROI are about people who take a mostly stocker 110 or 130 or who cares and drives it solo across: Morocco / Sahara / South Africa / Namib. They meet some other Englishmen (that gives them comfort enough to mention), and they have a really significant breakdown (read: broken half-shaft or perforated radiator), and then make it to their destination. The other coverage is on club stuff, where lots of cheeky folks drive around on and off greenlanes and buy stuff - buying kit is newsworthy. I've seen each magazine cover Moab - they all do a few pages on Zion / Moab each year. And then?! And then?! I'm looking forward to doing a little more wading and having more fun in the mud - things it can be really difficult to do in California. Seems like everytime Uwharrie pictures get posted, I see some water - fun. I'm no where near extreeeeme anyway. e | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle, I guess I kinda understand your point after yesterday... Some girl borrowed her dads' brand new disco (read 2003 with 9,000 miles on it) off road and tore it up. She then complained to everyone about how "they" were responsible for this and how "they" should come a rescue her. Yea, crap like that can wear someone thin. Erik, don't fret none. There is plenty of water around your new home. These crazy storms leave roads flooded. Like a foot flooded! Heck, you don't even need to drive far to find it. I also agree with you Erik that all of the UK based magazines usually have at least 3 articles designated on how to get your truck to pass the MOT, which is fairly irrelevant for us over here (or at least for me). Every once in a while there will be something very worthwhile and the second my magazine shop gets the August issue in, I'm all over it. Max T. | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 529 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle... I think D is on to something there. I know I love reading your opinions on topics here on the board. I know when I am scrolling through a post and see "Blow Me" I should stop and read the post. Although I don't always agree with you, I love the fact that you usually go against public opinion. You seen well though-out, and have a real knack for the debate. Whether I agree with you or not, you usually crack me up, or at least get me to see the other side of a discussion. Maybe you could write some trail articles or how-to tips and submit them to the different rags. Maybe not of your secret spots, but some of the other places you go/have gone. Of course, you would have to write it so people would want to go there and not make them feel like a moron, which might be a challenge for you, but I bet you could do it. If you got paid for it, you could write the whole cost of the trip off as business. Just a thought. | ||
| trevor griffiths (Trevorgriffiths) Member Username: Trevorgriffiths Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle van Tassel, Editor-at Large . My first off road venture in my Disco 4 years ago was with Kyle. He was very patient and tolerant of a newbies's errors, and if he hadn't been there with a winch, I may still be there. I also remember after he broke an axle, and the day was done, he asked if I wanted directions to the car wash, so that I could wash the mud off the wheels. Lesson #65 for that day- driving with mud on the wheels creates a large imbalance. I for one enjoy reading Kyle's observations on various subjects, and would agree with a desire to keep some places 'special'. As a Rover shop owner, I benefit from more people coming into the fold, but I have also discovered that it is a good way to ruin a perfectly good hobby! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 303 Registered: 03-2003 |
Freeze! Nobody move! Kyle broke an axle? LOL. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2202 Registered: 10-2001 |
no no no. that was just a 2 spline on his Big Wheel in 2nd grade. whewww. for a second i thought we were talking about his rover. | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 701 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'm trying to stay away from this thread but couldn't help myself after reading Trevor's post... LOL Glenn |
