| Author | Message | ||
     traveltoad (Traveltoad) Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2002 |
I've asked a couple people and I have received differing answers, so I'll ask "the board". On an '03 DII which does NOT have CDL or an easy way of adding CDL, would you first: Work on getting a center tranfer case with CDL or get front and rear lockers? It's a question of priority, ultimately I'd be fully locked. | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 939 Registered: 08-2002 |
I'd say get the t-case first. Locking the center diff combined with the ETC will take you pretty far. Then you can upgrade to locking diffs later. Locked diffs w/o a locking center diff will only net you one pulling axle in extreme situations. Yes, theoretically, the ETC will prevent one axle from spinning more than the other, but it's not a very efficent system. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2003 |
This should be fun...a stock D2 with the cdl locked is a pretty capable truck. I would look for the transfer case first, then add the lockers...I agree with Greg, diff lock without the t-case locked would expose the half shafts to a extreme situations... Frank | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 262 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm wondering who the moron is who told you to go with traction diffs first. LOL. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 916 Registered: 09-2002 |
John, it may be someone who sells the diffs  | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2002 |
Actually, it was a question generated inside my very own pea-sized brain! Having wheeled with some Jeeps and talking to some of them, it seems that at least a few of them run front/rear lockers without a CDL. So I thought I'd ask. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 233 Registered: 02-2002 |
If memory serves me, wranglers do not have center differentials, thus no CDL (center differential lock). They do, however, have transfer cases that will switch from 2 wheel to 4 wheel mode. Their 4 wheel mode is like the LR with CDL engaged. | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2002 |
Besides, John, you've seen the pictures, heard the stories. You KNOW I'm not the brightest bulb in the box! | ||
| Nate Jedinak (Ducati) Member Username: Ducati Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's why Wranglers can't be run in 4wd on dry pavement... When they're in 4lo or 4hi they're locked in the center. | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well, alrighty then. I have met my learning quota for the day! Now I just need to figure out an inexpensive way to add a CDL to my truck! | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 405 Registered: 09-2002 |
you've got mail  | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 381 Registered: 03-2002 |
steve, if you are selling cdl transfer cases for DII's, let me know too... mike | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) New Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2003 |
I've got an 03 Discovery as well, and i'd be highly interested in finding a way to add a Center Diff-lock as well. If there was a way to add the CDL, would it still work properly with the 4ETC system? Also, if CDL was added, would the CDL light on the dash also work with it? Just curious as i'm interested in finding a way to add a CDL. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1417 Registered: 04-2002 |
June, in a 2003 you could do it by replacing your transfer case with another LT230SE that has the CDL nipple. Not a cheap solution but it would work. And your ETC should also work with the CDL. Earlier D2's still have the CDL dash light. I don't know if the 2003 has it so I can't say for sure on that one. But my 1999 D2 with CDL works with the idiot light on the dash. | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2003 |
Out of curiosity, how much would such a project cost me? That sounds like the route i'll take, but definately not till the warranty has expired. At the rate I drive, it probably shouldn't be more than a couple years anyway. On my last trip to Paragon, I did encounter terrain in which having a center diff lock would have really helped when crawling up a very steep hill with big rocks that you have to navigate over and around on the Good, Bad, and Ugly trail there. This was a very loose hill. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1422 Registered: 04-2002 |
There are lots of trails at Paragon (and anywhere else) that a CDL would help. Cost? About $1000 for the transfer case and labor. It will also depend on if you get a new or used t-case and the area you live in. | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2003 |
Well, thanks as you've answered a lot of my questions. I just can't believe that every market in the world has a CDL on the Disco except for the North American market. I guess i'll worry about it when the time comes since i've got 47k miles left on my warranty since I just turned 3000 miles as I was pulling into the driveway. Hopefully by then, the proper transfer case will be more available, and maybe cheaper too. I would probably plan on going with a new one since in general, I don't do used parts if I don't know the history behind the part. If Land Rover offered the transfer case with CDL, and offered it for a reasonable price as an upgrade at the local Centre's, it would interest me. If I decide to swap out the transfer case before my warranty is expired, do you know if Land Rover would honor the warranty on the other components in the driveline? | ||
| Dirk Commandeur (Dirklc) New Member Username: Dirklc Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2003 |
I am considering buying a used '03 and want to make sure I understand this issue. I see that a CDL is available outside the US and is available on the G4 edition. Does the 'non-CDL' US models have a completely different transfer case or does it have the same transfer case just not plumbed for CDL? If it's a different transfer case, how difficult is it to swap in one from a G4 or order one from the UK suppliers? | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 417 Registered: 09-2002 |
As I understand it, both the external CDL connection and the internal CDL components are missing from the '03 NAS transfer case. | ||
| Dirk Commandeur (Dirklc) New Member Username: Dirklc Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2003 |
I have heard that the Disco II (at least prior to 2003) does still have a CDL that could be locked "for service only". The CDL is still there, you have to go under the truck and lock it with a wrench on the transfer case (allowing you to limp home in 2WD if you break a halfshaft). Are you saying that this was the case for pre-2003 Disco II's but the 2003 model now has a completely different transfer case? I just find it odd that they would support two different Disco transfer cases for the 2003 model year, one with a CDL for the G4 and the rest of the world and a totally different one for NAS (but I guess stranger things have happened). I am not at all familiar with the Disco II (I own an old RR) but my wife and I are considering a 2003 Disco so I am trying to get totally clear about this issue. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 423 Registered: 09-2002 |
It's not completely different, it's the same t-case, they just conveniently left off a few bits and blocked the ability to add them. If you want a new Disco with CDL, wait for the 2004, the CDL will apparently be back, or plan on swapping the t-case for an older one. | ||
| Dirk Commandeur (Dirklc) New Member Username: Dirklc Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2003 |
thanks for the clarification |
