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     Martin Tuip (Ajax) New Member Username: Ajax Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2003 |
Ran into this shot .. has anyone seen more of this one (I've seen the camo ones) http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000154843.cfm | ||
| Bugboy (Bugboy) New Member Username: Bugboy Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2003 |
nice, but it looks to sporty... what ever happened to good ol old school hard core rovers? i liked them better when none of the big corps. got there grubby hands on them. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1411 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yikes... it's hideous. I thought the new Disco wasn't due out until 2005. It's almost Chris Bangle ugly. But if it's built well underneath and capable off road I would consider it. But I'm not optimistic. | ||
| Brian Goodner (Marmot) New Member Username: Marmot Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2003 |
as each year passes the discos look more and more like a range rover...it makes me cherish my D-I more and more | ||
| Gary Collins (Gncollins) New Member Username: Gncollins Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
Can you say Liberty. Any news on the Defender? | ||
| Rob Soetewey (Robbert) New Member Username: Robbert Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2003 |
Defenders stay cool. Real Chasis,beam axles, ... For at least another 5 years. Not in the US though | ||
| Brian Goodner (Bluewater) Member Username: Bluewater Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
Rob do you know how much defenders retail for in Europe? | ||
| Peter J. Kelly (Pjkbrit) New Member Username: Pjkbrit Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2003 |
oh my God.....bloody hideous...looks like a hairdressers car ... damn....now I HAVE to keep my D2 forever just like my 1985 Saab 900T. That has 270K on it....do you think the D2 will get that far in 20 years or so??????? Actually....I think I'm gonna get a 4.6....and keep that till I die....but this 2004 puppy looks waaaaaayyyyy to girlie for me. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 245 Registered: 02-2003 |
Thats the 2005 Discovery with Jag/Lincoln v6 and V8s and the wonderful sounding 2.7 V6 diesel. The picture is of the shorter wheelbase version, which is longer than the current version (!) For 2004 spec, look at the 2003 G4 Special edition, which has CDL but ditch that awful orange...maybe in two years when my D1 is 10 years old and someone else has taken the depreciation hit I'll get me an 04 to keep the D1 company.... | ||
| Martin Tuip (Ajax) New Member Username: Ajax Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2003 |
Yeah .. to me the new Discovery looks like a dressed up Ford Escape. Lotsa plastic fantastic. Compared to that even the new Hummer H3 looks good (http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/6955_image.jpg) The Defender 90 Td5 Softop starts at 34000 Euros in The Netherlands, but we have fairly high tax on the netprice for cars. | ||
| Rainey Schuyler (Rainey) New Member Username: Rainey Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2003 |
Here's a good computer enhanced pic: Full story: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6224  | ||
| peter nova (Peter) New Member Username: Peter Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2003 |
all I know if it doesn't come with straight axle then you might as well buy a expedition because this just as well looks like it. I bet ford is using the same plateform. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1415 Registered: 04-2002 |
I really don't think Ford had enough time to make that drastic of a change. But it's rumored to have IFS. Very sad. | ||
| Brian Goodner (Bluewater) Member Username: Bluewater Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
it does resemble an expedition if only it were a little longer. | ||
| Martin Tuip (Ajax) New Member Username: Ajax Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2003 |
What if this shot would be the SWB version ? | ||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Senior Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 251 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ford really fucked everyone on this deal. | ||
| jerry d quintana (Exjeeper) New Member Username: Exjeeper Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2003 |
anyone think that ford copied the exlorer an murcury from the 2003 range rover? my neighbor has one an it sure looks alot like it. | ||
| Brian Goodner (Bluewater) Member Username: Bluewater Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
i can't really see the resemblance there Jerry but maybe it's because i haven't compared them side by side. | ||
| yrwins acosta (Yrw) New Member Username: Yrw Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2003 |
hello. I’m a newbie. I’m waiting for the new version of the Discovery the DIII? (2004 or 2005) wend is going to out in the USA? What is going to be the price range? Sorry but I don’t know noting about land road. thank you for the info. | ||
| Brian Goodner (Bluewater) Member Username: Bluewater Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2003 |
i heard january of next year but i'm not sure. i don't think it has been officially released yet nor has the price. | ||
| yrwins acosta (Yrw) New Member Username: Yrw Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2003 |
hooo ok, this is going to my first 4x4. | ||
| Brian Goodner (Bluewater) Member Username: Bluewater Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well if your going to use the 4X4 i would get and older one D-1 or early D-2. but thats just if you are going to use the 4x4. | ||
| jerry d quintana (Exjeeper) Member Username: Exjeeper Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2003 |
Check this out my wife wanted to sell her discovery series 1 keep my rr classic for herself and buy me a hummer2. So I went down to look at one I told the dealer it was either a new land rover or a hummer. needless to say I was laughing at him as I was leaving. 50000 thousand for a heavy duty truck with a fancy body. There is even a plastic gas tank and a plastic skidplate for that tank. I cant belive people are paying that much for those things my rrLWB has more room inside than the hummer. I told him Id give him 30000 for it. Man I could buy two newer used landrovers for that price. and they are heavier duty. IMO | ||
| Matthew Gibson (Mattgibson) Member Username: Mattgibson Post Number: 72 Registered: 06-2003 |
What the Heck???!!! I am all for getting a posse together and going on a witch hunt for design guys that Ford put in charge of Rover's design department. Count me in! Although, if they keep putting stuff out like that, my D1 will appreciate greatly. | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2003 |
IMHO, those new Hummer H2's are nothing to laugh at. I've seen them in action and their offroading capabilities are just completely amazing. On my last trip to Paragon, there were 2 H2's in my group with drivers that were new to offroading. On many obstacles that my Discovery struggled on, including many of the hill climbs, those things just walked up and over them like they were nothing. When going up the steep long hill on the Good, Bad, and Ugly trail, I had to take two tried at it, and almost went sideways when the 4ETC system did something really wacky as I was trying to get over a big rock that was sticking out. On the many obstacles I had to build up momentum to force the Disco over them, the H2's just idled up and over them like it was nothing without any hint of wheel spin. Later when we had to go in and up a very steep muddy ditch, every vehicle struggled, including the Rubicon's in our group while the H2's just went up and over them. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 249 Registered: 02-2003 |
H2's depreciation is probably going to be huge..just wait 2-3 years when the novelty has worn off.... | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think the design looks like a reasonable evolution of the DI and DII with a lot of the styling cues from the new RR. Similar stepped roofline, boxy exterior, etc. Using the new RR chassis and suspension (mainly) means it will be at least as good off road as the new RR. It's a great compromise for on and off road ability. This truck needs to sell, sell, sell, of LR will go away... period. Building new trucks using old style solid axles won't cut it in the US market. They need to sell trucks to the masses, not the 6% of Rover owners who go off road. This is a HUGE step past "the sky is falling" attitude of a lot of guys here who thought the DIII would just be a rebadged Explorer. We should be a bit relieved, not complaining at this point IMO. This really is far better then we could have expected. Besides, there is no shortage of older Discos out there. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1429 Registered: 04-2002 |
To sell to the masses LR needs to change it's image of a British Vehicle that keeps the tow truck and mechanic business happy. When I talk to people about buying a new SUV I will sometimes bring up Land Rover and not ONCE have they come back to me and said "those things drive like crap" As for the H2, Rubicon and D2 at the trail over at Paragon... a D2 without a CDL won't hold it's own against two other vehicles that have at least rear lockers. And I really can't think of a reason that a Rubicon (TJ) couldn't hold it's own against an H2. Did you guys hit Whumpum? If you did I wonder how the H2 did. Even the long(er) wheel base of the D2 (over the TJ) makes it hard but not impossible for a stock/semi-stock D2 much less an H2. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2003 |
http://www.landrover-center.com/ then scroll down to the 2005 LandRover Discovery III article. There are a few pics as well as lots of technical information. Sounds like it will be a fairly sound Disco. -Luke | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1432 Registered: 04-2002 |
er... better? How? On the road? Okay... I'll buy that. Better approach and departure angles? I'll buy that too since they said "wheels pushed further into the corners" and with "Front and rear independent suspension" I'm sure it will have better ground clearance. And that's what the marketing guys will want you to believe. But that also translates into really bad brakeover angle, bad articulation (not the same over engineered suspension as the Rangie). But hey, the third row seats fold into the floor (ala Honda Odyssey) so it must be sound right? Try and build that vehicle for off road use. Lets see how much it will take to lift it, fix it, and drive it where the rest of the most traveled vehicles have gone. Okay, maybe I'm just in a bitter mood today but I don't (and won't) buy it. There are too many like vehicles out there that see the shop less. I'll live with older Land Rovers because they are capable. There are plenty of other appliance vehicles out there. If LR sells millions and makes millions and bring another capable vehicle to the NA market then I'll be very happy. But I don't see any information on bringing such a vheicle any time soon. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 65 Registered: 05-2003 |
Well, if the Disco, a vehicle without a diff. locker and prolly running what are really street tires, are able to stay with vehicles that come with lockers or some LS diff. That says a lot for the Disco. Put in a TT or ARB and then kick their a$$. But then, Timm Coopers V-8 powered, np4500 gear-boxed, spring over Series 1 107 will go over stuff that some purpose built rock buggies have a hard time with. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2003 |
Al, You do sound bitter man. Cheer up, this will not be the death of your Disco!!! Though it may be different, and it make take a different approach then what we are used too to make it "off-roadable", it is what needs to be done. I am all for change and evolution, not to mention when the aftermarket gets ahold of this product, they will come up with something to satisfy even the most hardcore off roaders. Have faith, and if not, you always have the classics to fall back on. -Luke p.s. look at Rangies and H1's with ind. suspension, they are doing just fine... | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2003 |
Al, I believe the real trails we hit for the day were Bunny Loop, Doe Run 3, and the Good, Bad, and Ugly. We had such a large group(28 vehicles) that it made trail riding pretty slow which is why we couldn't ride very far. We were about to hit the Pipeline and the Rock Swamp, but they ran out of time since everyone was being called back early due to such a large turnout for the monthly ride. I was a little disappointed as I wanted to see whether Rock Swamp was possible on a stock 03 Disco. Isn't Whompum a Blue 3 or Black trail? I don't think a stock Disco II would have had a chance on even the easy loop on that trail. The more harder core groups did tackle that trail though......... | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1433 Registered: 04-2002 |
Whompum (if I remember right) was either a Blue 2 or maybe a Blue 3. When I was there last we ran up to and including Blue 1's in Stock Discos and we might have hit one Blue2. We took some of the CDL'ed D2's equipped with 265/75x16 or taller onto Blue 3's. The point I was trying to make with Whompum is that the H2 would have a hard time in some of those trails because of its wheel base. | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yes, the H2's, and the full size extended cab long bed F150 also had lots of trouble because of their wheelbase. The F150 went home with a bit of body damage as it was constantly sideswiping something on the trails. The H2 drivers took it really easy and did really well, despite the fact that this was new to them. I'm just glad there are H2 drivers that really do use them offroad. Al, do you think Rock Swamp is possible on a stock 03 Discovery? It looks like it would be really close if so. Our trail guides said that stock Discoveries would have a lot of trouble on the Blue trails with many of them being not possible. Our online community is thinking about having our Spring Fling at Paragon next spring, and if you are interested, maybe you can join us if it works with your schedule. | ||
| yrwins acosta (Yrw) New Member Username: Yrw Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2003 |
well i was think to get new the v6 4.0, but i don't like that is going to bigger, and also I realy like the look of the new freelander but is not a 4x4. | ||
| yrwins acosta (Yrw) New Member Username: Yrw Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2003 |
sorry to ask the question but i'm a newbie. what % of part are from LR and what % part are from Ford on the LR. what about BMW | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2003 |
Yrw, No way to know right now, but let's asscess what we do know... The DIII is based on the current (new) Range Rover Chassis and suspension. This was developed 100% by BMW then sold to Ford. The engines are new and derivitive of the new Jaguar engines. (which were designed by Ford) You won't see much "Ford" in any of the new Rovers or Jags, IMO. This is based on my experience with Volvo (also owned by Ford). Volvo's used little to nothing from the Ford parts bin. Again, just guessing. | ||
| Martin Tuip (Ajax) New Member Username: Ajax Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2003 |
Except for the Jaguar X-type which uses quite a lot of parts from the in Europe sold Ford Mondeo. Can't really say it is a Jag body on top of a Ford chassis, but it comes closer then you think. | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2003 |
The Xtype is the exception, and considered by most in the business, including Ford, as a failure. It has hurt the brand, frankly. The Xtype is what prompeted the brass at Ford PAG to order that, from now on, LR, Jag, and Aston Martin would develop their own vehicles... and no more blatant rebadging. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 68 Registered: 05-2003 |
The Xtype is what prompeted the brass at Ford PAG to order that, from now on, LR, Jag, and Aston Martin would develop their own vehicles... and no more blatant rebadging. Where did you read this? Good News! | ||
| yrwins acosta (Yrw) New Member Username: Yrw Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2003 |
thank you, for the answer i realy don't no know what do buy if a DII, DIII, freelander or the new BMW x3. I realy don't like FORD this is my opinion. DII don't like the eng 4.6L v8 gas problem, like price $35-40 DIII don't like the price $45-50, like eng 4.0L v6 freelander is not a truck "4x4" | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1437 Registered: 04-2002 |
As a long time BMW and Land Rover fan and owner I can say that if you don't like the freelander because it's not a truck then you won't like the X3 either. But the X3 might be a better road car. But since I have yet to see/drive one (X3) I can't say that with any certainty. Even the X5, while nice doesn't have nearly as much cargo area as my D2. And the X5 is no 5-series. I know people say they're the same but trust me they're not. Don't expect the X3 to be the same as the 3 series either. | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 49 Registered: 04-2003 |
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the 03+ DII 4.6 litre V8? It's the engine that should have been in the Disco from the beginning. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 425 Registered: 09-2002 |
No CDL | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 49 Registered: 02-2003 |
eric, It was in an interview with the head of PAG in (I think) AUTOMOBILE magazine. After the Xtype, PAG realized that rebadging lesser cars as high-end cars would not work. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1439 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well, duh! But Toyota seems capable of it and people do not mind. I can't really figure that out. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 69 Registered: 05-2003 |
Toyota seems capable of it and people do not mind. I can't really figure that out. Assume your refering to the rebadging comment? Toyota's "lesser" cars are prolly very close to the top of the line models. I.e., camry and whatever Lexus is the rebadge of a camry. Same very solid base, just tweek the engine and suspension. If you have an excellent foundation, you're already way ahead of the competition. That's one reason why the FJ's are/were popular, and why the Series Rovers lend themselves to the upgrades/mods. See BCB Offroad. Superior base. Much better than jeep. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1442 Registered: 04-2002 |
I guess... to me an ES300 will still always be a Camry.  | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2003 |
Part of it is heritage and perception. Jag has loads of it and rebadging the otherwise excellent Mondeo didn't make it a real Jag in most buyers' eyes. Lexus & Infiniti are new brands, who's images have never been more then really, really nice Toyotas and Nissans. Jag is all about heritage and image and old-world flavor and Connely leather and style and fine wood inlays. Whole different ball of wax. | ||
| Martin Tuip (Ajax) New Member Username: Ajax Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2003 |
They released even a diesel powered Jag X-type in Europe. Now .. the car might be great .. but it isn't a Jag. |
