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     Brad Brinkman (Brad_b) New Member Username: Brad_b Post Number: 26 Registered: 09-2002 |
I am not sure if I broke my axle or maybe its my diff. when I do a u turn my rear passenger tire will skid out almost as if I had a locker in my diff. It happens only when I turn and when I am going straight its fine or when I turn and don't give it any gas it won't. I am guessing that the rear drivers side axle snapped? | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 965 Registered: 02-2002 |
pull it out and take a look! mike w | ||
| Brad Brinkman (Brad_b) New Member Username: Brad_b Post Number: 27 Registered: 09-2002 |
I am on sunday just wondering if I could have messed something else up as well. It is pretty easy to take out right. just pull the tire off and unscrew the bolts and the axle should slide out. If it is broken how do I get the rest of the axle out of there? | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 966 Registered: 02-2002 |
it is a pretty straight forward job getting the AXLE out. just be sure to follow good safety sense, chocking the wheel, disconnecting the negative battery terminal. now if it is broke the real challenge will be getting the stub out. if i was doing the job and i knew the AXLE was snapped i would go ahead and bull the hub. while i was at that point i would replace the hub seals and repack the bearings. currently i am replacing my hub seals, so far locatng non LR parts seem to be the hardest part of the job. so saying that before you go and pull it all apart you may want to find yourself a hub nut socket some grease and ask around for the seals. the bearings are Timken 3049 so if you wanted to replace those they can be easily sourced. good luck mike w oh yea DON'T DRIVE IT TIL YOU KNOW! | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1106 Registered: 09-2002 |
M.K., why disconect the battery terminal for this job? Brad, if you are not in diff lock and you can still drive the thing I would say with almost certanty that it is NOT a broken axle. I had a problem like that a while ago and it wound up being broken spider gears in my front diff. Turning corners was a very interesting thing. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 110 Registered: 04-2003 |
no need to take off negative battery lead, thats a little anal to the extreme and unnecessary. As was said, jack up the axle by the wheel in question, take off the wheel, and undo the axle flange bolts. Carefully try to pull axle out.. see what comes out, and let us know.. =) But I suspect Brian is right. Broken spider gears are tumble drying around in your diff and once in a while they are mashing just right as to cause your axle (probably chewed up a bit by now) to lock up. I have axles and a stock diff and spider gears if you want to buy em.. cheep cheep .. $$ good luck.. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 969 Registered: 02-2002 |
"thats a little anal to the extreme and unnecessary." yea true, no offense, but not knowing Mr. Brinkmans level of wrench turning knowledge or how safe the folks that are around him act i felt it should be thrown in, you just never know! mike w | ||
| Brad Brinkman (Brad_b) New Member Username: Brad_b Post Number: 28 Registered: 09-2002 |
Thanks for the help. Tommorrow my friend is coming down and we will see what we find. That is going to suck because I can't put gears in. If it is the axle how do I go about getting all the pieces out of the axle. Thank you, Brad | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 970 Registered: 02-2002 |
Brad, the easiest way....remove the brake caliber, remove the rotor, remove the hub, this opens the axle case and this gives you a great view of what is inside. i leave the rest to you on getting the broken half pulled out. while you are at this point might be a good idea to look closely at the seals and maybe repacking those hub bearings. mike w | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1107 Registered: 09-2002 |
Brad, I got one of those teliscoping magnet from checker, like $5.00 or something like that and I broke most of the handle off and pounded the magnet into the end o a broom stick. (broom sticks just happen to be about the same diamater as Rover axles) and slid the thing in and it just grabbed the stub. I discovered this trick after about 4 hours trying to find a tool. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 114 Registered: 04-2003 |
your going to have to take that diff out most likely.. so you will be able to get the bits out then if there are any from the axle.. if your axle breaks vs the diff, you really should take the diff out to instpect for damaged teeth and gears... Basicly to sum it up... you need to take the axles out.. see if they broke, if not, cool, but then you have to take the diff out.. if the axles are broken, you "should" take the diff out to check for damage. especially with your symptoms.. Dont be too scared or overwhelemed by this, its really not too big a deal mechanicly, its just $$$ for parts... =) MK is right, you should probably pack those bearings and do the seal while your in there, might as well.... thats not biggy either. You will get the hang of it all once you see how it all comes apart.. | ||
| Brad Brinkman (Brad_b) New Member Username: Brad_b Post Number: 29 Registered: 09-2002 |
If I have any broken teeth on my ring gear can I still drive around with it after I cleaned all the pieces out. No hard wheeling or anything just around town until I get a replacement? Right now I am stuck with the series and driving long distances really sucks with it. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 116 Registered: 04-2003 |
its not likely, well i shouldnt say that... its more likely that you broke the spider gears... and no, you shouldnt drive it at all untill you take this stuff out. Your just chewing up metal, and will damage whatever may not already be damaged.. Once you have the broken bits out, or the diff itself, then you can leave the rear driveshaft disconnected and drive around with your diff lock on which will give you two wheel drive. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 973 Registered: 02-2002 |
Brad, you can do anything you want if your willing to pay the price, i would not drive it the ring is balanced to all the teeth, break one off and the balance is gone. the problems that could develop from driving it can only be imagined by mortals so INHO park it til its fixed, if that is the problem. now if driving the series is a problem, well i can fix that.....;o) mike w | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 117 Registered: 04-2003 |
two other things.. if you leave the broken bits in, you could actually damage your axles housing $$$ so dont.. and disconnect the driveshaft at both ends and remove it. I didnt want you thinking you could leave one end on.. but open that stuff up and see what happened... DONT DRIVE IT till you do... | ||
| Zach Jaggers (Mountenn) Senior Member Username: Mountenn Post Number: 328 Registered: 03-2003 |
I just experienced a problem similar to this. It ended up being a broken cross shaft that in turn ground out the spider gears. Pulling the axle shafts is really easy--just PRAY that it isn't your cross shaft/spider gears. With mine, when the cross shaft broke, it ate away the circular holes in the carrier and made them elliptical. I had to replace the carrier, cross shaft, and all spider gears. This means taking off the ring gear, attaching it to the new carrier, setting the backlash on it, and lining it up with the pinion gear. Talk about a pain in the ass--it toko like 9 hours total. However, if this is your problem, Great Basin Rovers (SLC Utah) carries rebuilt carriers, complete with bearings, cross shaft, and spider gears for something like $100. Good luck, and like I said, PRAY that it's something else unless you have experience rebuilding rear ends (this was my first...not too shabby, though...I've been a little over 1k miles so far with no problems.). FWIW Zach | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) New Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2003 |
Call Bill Davis. He would love to tell you what the problem is. Good luck getting him off the phone though. JK | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1119 Registered: 09-2002 |
Brad, Did you figure it out? | ||
| Brad Brinkman (Brad_b) New Member Username: Brad_b Post Number: 30 Registered: 09-2002 |
NO, I went and drove it around in front of my house and it wouldn't make the noise again. So I changed the diff fluid to see if there was any metal shavings. nothing that isn't normal. So I don't know what it was that was doing it. I drove it up to tahoe and had no problems. Who knows what it was doing. maybe just sitting in the driveway for a couple days solved it. I wish |
