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Steve R (Barton)
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Post Number: 143
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hey Gang,

Steve here...the H2 guy on this forum. I've grown my local club to some 120 members and we get out and have a great time. Despite the fact that our club is about 75% H2's and 25% H1's.....very few H2's show up to events. Last event was about 4 H2's and 18 H1's, and most the H2's do it once or twice and then leave it. You were right, it's all about the image for most people. Who cares how capable an offroad vehicle it is...most H2 owners would have been just fine & dandy if their rigs were only 2-wheel drive and they never knew it. Pathetic AND disappointing!!!!

On another note, I'm making up for it: My tires are all shredded and thrashed and the sides of my rig are all scratched up. I've got all the offroad equipment and try just about everything...and help anyone I come across. Now people call me a fool for actually offroading a $55K vehicle.

So here's the count: H1 owners despise the H2 and call it a joke. Strangers will come upto you and ask you why you didn't buy a real Hummer. Women will ask why you are compensating for having a small penis. Environmentalist hate you and regularly give you all sorts of foul indications to let you know. I've been keyed and vandallized several times. I doubt I have to tell you what Jeepers think/say/do?

Everybody hates me, you can't get a fuckin' break to save your life. I used to enjoy driving it...now I just do my own thing and worry every time I leave it in a parking lot.

So how have you guys been?
 

Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard)
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Post Number: 123
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 03:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

awww...

the H2 aint all bad... Its a pretty spiffy looking thing if you ask me.. and looks like its got lots of room... Probably the 2nd in line if I had to buy an American made vehicle.
 

Peter W. Pfeifer (Pwp)
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Sorry to hear about your experiances Steve, for me offroading is first about the people your with and second about the vehicle. From what I've read of your posts your always welcome to offroad with me I don't care what environmentalists think or how small your penis is...lol, just teasing. Keep your head up if you ever catch one of those vandals beat the living bageebeeezzz out of him !

Peter
 

Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc)
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

All I can say is keep doing what your doing man. I can't say I like H2's all that much but you've got balls to do what you do. If I saw an H2 with offroad scratches and dents I'd probably wave. Too bad every one I see is decked out in chrome. Anyways, tell your critics to piss off.
 

Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
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Post Number: 703
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hats off to you Steve. From the early stages of the whole H2 flame thread, you and this guy craniac were the only non-poser ones. As for the scratches and shredded tires, don't worry, you won't get them as much as you get more experience in wheeling! (although I don't know if that's good or bad for you )

Again, hats off to you!
Glenn
 

Joey (Joey4420)
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

If it hadn't been for the fuel economy, I may have looked at the H2, but the Disco won for a couple other reasons as well.

Sorry to hear that you are having such fun with the local idiots. If worse comes to worse, when they key your H2, you can always have the insurance company pay for a new paint job :-) ok that wouldn't work too well if you have major scratches and dents, but hey is sounded good.

Hope things go better for you. I know here in WV the only H2's that I see are either in a doctors parking lot, or on the used car lots (people seem to trade them in as fast as they buy them)
 

Alan Bates (Alanb)
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Post Number: 267
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

You could say the same for Land Rovers, there are a ton of them here in Oklahoma, but only a very very small number of them actually go off-road. Its all an image thing. Its good to hear that you actually take it off-road, most H2's around here will probably never see even a gravel road, but that can be said of most Land Rovers too.
 

Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
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Post Number: 704
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That is very true Alan. In the end it's their money but it's just sad for us that like our trucks the way they are and you see the vast majority that just like the image. I guess that's human nature.

Glenn
 

Andy Thoma (Andythoma)
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Post Number: 408
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve sorry to hear your issues, I think it's living in Cali, the land of fruit and nuts, you need to move to a state where they shoot at enviromentalists for sport. :-) I think most people look at Disco's and RR's the same way, a snob car that isn't any good offroad. Just do what makes you happy and tell the nay sayers to F' off. As for the enviro wacko's that enjoy destroying other peoples property, show them the attributes of the underside of a H2 after you back over them.
 

Christopher Boese (Christopher)
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

What is it with this singling out H2's for being so environmentally unfriendly? All SUV's get terrible mileage. And if you never take your truck offroad, you're actually doing the environment a favor, actually.

Keep at it, Steve, and have fun.
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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Post Number: 952
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

ouch Steve, it sounds pretty ugly :-)
I guess you could redeem yourself at least in jeeper's eyes if you buy a complete wreck of a CJ with no drivetrain left, and tow it behind the H2!

Seriuosly, it is sad. An H2 is a good solid truck, despite it's looks and social status, and it takes not that much to improve upon stock.
 

Jaime (Blueboy)
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Post Number: 736
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Steve here...the H2 guy on this forum." kinda started the thread on H2s didn't it.

"And if you never take your truck offroad, you're actually doing the environment a favor, actually."

actually if you never drive your truck ANYWHERE you're doing more for the environment.

out of curiosity, why did you buy a LR Chris??
 

Jamie (Rover_puppy)
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve,

You took your H2 off road??????? AWESOME!! I am impresseed!!

Good for you for not letting "things" and "posessions" control you!!

I've been putting up with comments about taking $$ vehicle off road for a long time. I have found that it quickly shuts anyone up when I tell them that is what they were made to do and I would not want to go off road in anything less.

As for the damage, pat yourself on the back for LIVING life!
I FEEL REALLY GOOD everytime I look up in my D2 and see the unremovable mudstains on the ceiling!!

Talk about proof of life -- they're all souveniers from actually LIVING life! I'd sure hate to get to the end of my life and not have really lived it because my truck might have been broken in the process....

Keep it up! If I knew how to make those little happy face guys clapping hands I would!!! :-) :-) :-) Jamie
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Post Number: 144
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Can we not focus on Chris and instead continue the out-pouring of sympathy for me???? :-)

I was expecting you guys to slam the last nail in the coffin...but instead I get support and empathy. Thanks! You all make some great points. Around Los Angeles the LR's are 99.9% about status and bling. Like I said...people could just have 2x's and never know the difference.

I've never owned a new vehicle before, this is my first. I know I shouldn't care what others think...but it sucks when so many people (strangers) give you so much grief.

I've got another video coming along. We did a night-run out in the desert. I invited both Ho and Neil, but neither could make it. Ho was busy and Neil was getting his nails done (or something like that). The video will be short, but cute....I'll let ya'll know when it's up. Some of you guys really have to join us one day!

Things over at the H2 forum are slow, we're being invaded by hateful Jeepers again: turns out for the price of 1 H2, you can buy 5 Jeeps and outwheel the heck out of every Hummer...yeah.

Lastly, I suspect that as H2's become more used and worn-down, you may see more of them being offroaded. Who knows.

Thanks again, good to know I have friends here.
 

Kenny Bissett (Jetson)
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I'm new to this board myself, but I applaud you're attitude as well. When I go off road, I meet different people in different vehicles. The general attitude is to have fun in your car - even if you're a young teenager out trashing your dad's pickup!

I would also love to own an H2. I looked at them seriously when they hit the dealers, but then the economy fell apart and it wasn't feasible really. I would still love to own one though!

Kenny
 

Christopher Boese (Christopher)
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Post Number: 119
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Not enough caffeine yet, Jaime, when I last posted.

What I meant was that environmentalists should feel happy every time they see an immaculate, polished SUV driving around, because at least that truck isn't out there crushing bunnies and setting forest fires. As for me, I live in the mountains and take my truck offroad at least every weekend (where do you think I took that photo that's in my profile.) And I've only killed a couple of bunnies.
 

Christopher Boese (Christopher)
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Post Number: 120
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

PS - I really liked the sound of your desert night run when I got the e-mails about it, Steve. You probably didn't get any Rovers there because of Rover Rendezvous in Big Bear last weekend, which was important.
 

Christopher Boese (Christopher)
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Post Number: 121
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Speaking of Rover Rendezvous, here are some photos. I've never seen so many cool trucks in one place.

BBQ
Rovers
Road
 

Jaime (Blueboy)
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Post Number: 739
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

much better Chris - almost thought of signing you up on the Sierra Club site!


 

Robert M. Godshall (Robert_godshall)
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I am new to this site all though I have followed d-web for some time this is the first time I actually posted I saw this thread and I couldn't let it go with out saying something. Steve you are an honerable man putting up with all the shit from other H2 owners and complete strangers. Its nice to here that you take your truck off-road. Kennith and I actually hang out around town and get gawked and stared at (still trying to figure out if this is good or bad). People will tells us that we shoudn't go off-road because its bad for the enviroment granted it is harmful to the enviroment but if you follow tread lightly its not as bad as people say. They also ask why we scratch up a 40k vehical? Because its fun Damn it, I look accross the parking lot and see there freshly waxed soccer mom volvo it irritats the hell out of me. As for your scratches they arn't...they are character lines.

This concludes my current statment,
Bob
 

Neil Lokuge (Neil)
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve,
Once again, much respect to you; you bought a kickass truck and put it through its paces. Hey it’s a Bling-Bling world but even here in So Cal, the land of fruits and nuts, man I hate that phrase, we love to Wheel. So as you stated I’m getting my nails done, ass-hole, but once those are dry we’ll defiantly hit the trails. Hang in there mate

Neil
 

Blue (Blue)
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Post Number: 228
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I've been keyed and vandallized several times.

that's just plain wrong.
 

Erik Olson (Jon)
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve, just go do what you want to do. Our family is back in Los Angeles and Orange County and most of the people there are plain crazy anyway.

Who cares what folks who have therapists for their dogs and twigs hanging over their beds think? They're really just pissed because their spin class instructor, who also drives an H2, is sleeping with their feng-shui advisor anyway or some other SoCal drama like that. Maybe they didn't get that deal at Miramax and can't afford an H2 - and those two guys get to make a movie with Matt Damon and they're hacks - fucking hacks. Whatever. In Berkeley, protestors kept the fire department from flying the flag on their trucks after 9/11 because it might have offended budding terrorists - California, North or South is a different place certainly from the rest of the country.

Go east to Vegas and you'll find SCORE, SNORE and a bunch of like-minded off-road enthusiasts - heck, Hall racing is there in their H1s dominating the circuit!

They're out there and not as far as you might think. Anyway, you're not alone - stay strong brother!

Cheers,

e

 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Post Number: 323
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

HEY STEVE!!!


steve its all a big roller coaster...enjoy the ride.

who cares what people say or do...just be comfortable with what you have grown to know and believe.

when we first started chatting I told you this day would come and it has...you are a real off-roader and now you look at the poser's and pretenders and wonder why they are the way they are.

i still remember when the first pathfinders came out. the comercials made them look unstopable and people flocked to buy them because they had big tires stock, then maybe 1% of the owners even got them a little dirty.

steve I respect you for your dedication to your new hobby and still hope to some day do some wheeling with you.

thom

 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The overwheling and emotional sentiment in this thread is getting out of hand.

Steve - get off your pity pot and go wheel.
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Post Number: 145
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Bite me Curtis! :-) I'm basking in all the love and happy-happy emotions that flow forth like the rich pageant that life is. Sorry...that may have been the crystal-meth talkin'.....

You guys are right...I'm going to offroad the shit out of this fat pig....and wheen the time is right, I'll just take it down somewhere in deep L.A. and let an insurance claim replace the otherwise prestine-princess she WAS.

The guy who did my shower door and mirrors in my remodel project was only 42 and in good shape: he died of a fatal heart-attack while playing basket-ball with his kids in the driveway. A girl I play racquetball with: her sister was one of those victims of that old-man who lost control down town.

Life is short, materials things come and go and what remains are the hot-ass babes we wish we did back in high-school. I'm gonna have me some fun (and share the finger with those who can't quite assimilate my choices). Thanks bro's!

 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

....and yes...those tires are all cut-up, shredded and the treads are beat-up from climbing, clutching, gripping and grasping on any form of traction they can find!

I'm only embarrassed that you can still read the "H2" on the front skid-plate...I'm working on it!
 

Michael Noe (Noee)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve, for some reason, you got the best looking H2 I've seen....
 

Chad Mayes (Cmayes)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

They're not scratches, dents, and dings...

They're FUN Marks.
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Post Number: 147
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

FUN marks??? that's what I call it when my wife wears those thigh-high stiletto boots and we....

....nevermind:-) :-) :-)
 

Ron L (Ronl)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"wife wears those thigh-high stiletto boots"

LOL Steve... Bring her out dressed like that and you will have a better turn out ;-)
 

Alec Wallis (Alec_w)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve, I know what you feel like, I actually only like driving mine off-road any more. My H2 in the same shape.
Keep on wheeling....
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

steve and alec,
time to trade in the H2s for discos? :-)



---------- Ho Chung
 

Kevin Bridges (Craniac)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve,

I thought you were the guy saying how un-fair all the attacks from the LR guys were some months ago on the H2 forum?????:-)

Strange how things turn around huh. Now look where you come to find the love. These guys are cool and have some bitchen ride's. There, are we back to reality?

I agree about the hate. I cringe when I leave my Hummer in a pkg. lot. No vandelisim yet but my time will come, im sure.

It is interesting when your friends are your enemy's enemy. Screw em!!!!!
 

Alec Wallis (Alec_w)
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Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ho, my problem now is that my undercarrage is beat to shit and the resale value is in the shitter! Guess I got to keep it and be one of the 4 out of 40,000 H2 owners that wheel (Steve, craniac (that picuture on your profile rocks dude), Adam and me.

Honest, my next choice in vehicle would be a Rover. Let's see what Ford do to them and maybe i'll own one one day.

 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hey Alec....don't sweat it...some blinger won't think twice to look under the bottom-side.

Umm....dumb question...what wheels better offroad...the RR or the Disco? IF you're gonna lift it a bit, put on larger tires and do-it-up?
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Let's see what Ford do to them and maybe i'll own one one day."

Don't bother, buy one NOW before Ford gets their hands on them, the older the better :-)
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

C'mon now. H2's are not Rovers. In fact, they are Tahoes with modified bodywork and a rear locker. Still, ya gotta figure: it is all just four patches of rubber and terra-firma. Wheel what you bought and enjoy it...or trade it in on what you think you want now.

I have not seen one vehicle of any make that can make it over what a well-equipped rig can with the right driver at the wheel.
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis...

While the H2 does share in part a similar planform (800-series chassis) to the Suburban/Tahoe..there have been many significant alterations, modifications and other parts used. It handles different, drives different and has significant differences far superior to a hopped-up Tahoe. I can assure you that 90% of those improvements/differences you are not aware of.

I once asked an engineer involved with the developement how he'd respond to that accusation...and he went on and on and on sighting several and many considerable differences.

It's still just an SUV on steroids...but you'd be very surprised how far apart it is from a Tahoe. It's much more like a Yukon! :-)

Beside that, I have a saying: I have not seen one vehicle of any make that can make it over what a well-equipped rig can with the right driver at the wheel.
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve,

Really, I am trying to give you some due respect here. The fact remains that the H2 is a Yukon/Tahoe variant. The vomit that your engineer sputtered is going to be similar to the vomit that the LR engineer will sputter when talking about the Disco III/Exploder. In this case, it will still be an Exploder, but with 100,000 "engineering changes" :-)
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

steve, the undercarriage beat to shit might be a plus.

the new owner of your H2 is showing off to his friends...
"nice SUV!! do you take this thing off road?"
"but of course, check out the undercarriage. i use it as it was meant to be used."

can you picture that? in true pouser fashion.



---------- Ho Chung
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis...

It is what it is. For that matter the H1 is a compilation of parts from GM, Chrysler and Ford...amoungst many other manufacturers.

Don't get me wrong, I hear your point. But the Tahoe's or other GM's don't have the traction control system (that LR & H2 share in common), the rear height control, the rear locker, the air-suspension (they have an optional air-shocks, not suspension) which is better articulating. The linkages and shock set-up are different up front, we have reduced throttle sensitivity in 4LO, an alteration to the TC system called TC2, a superior transfer case, much heavier-duty frame with considerable reinforcement (which like your Disco's accounts for the weight)...and the list goes on.

It's NOT God's gift to the offroad world, but it really is honestly a considerable step-up from a Tahoe/Yukon. To say the H2 is like the Tahoe is like saying the new Disco 3 can out-wheel the Defender. Well...maybe not, but it sounds good!
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 01:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Oh yeah...and just so ya know:

It was designed by both AM-General AND GM together, using many GM parts but being built by AM-General in their new plant right next to the H1. Economies of scale and greed dictate using common parts...nothing wrong with that. Most H1 guys hail the use of common GM parts as a big plus.
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Steve, I know what you feel like, I actually only like driving mine off-road any more. My H2 in the same shape.
Keep on wheeling...."

Alec,

Does that mean you are gunna wheel with me soon?
 

Alec Wallis (Alec_w)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Sure Brian, I'll go wheeling with you very soon. Next week is out but maybe the following Saturday (15th)?
Just one request, please try to stay either in front or behind me so I don't have your Disco roll on me [smart ass smile] (I don't know how to do those faces here).
 

Alec Wallis (Alec_w)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Brian, do you have any trail ideas? Something where I don't have to get body bamage would be good. Do you think I could get an H2 up something like Holy Cross? I got a winch now by the way.

Do you ever post at www.4x4trails.net? A bunch of the guys I go wheeling with post there and may want to join us.
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Alec,

I think width of the trail has been the biggest problem? Holly Cross is wide enough for you and is considered a difficult trail but we got a stock Cherokee up to the creek without any damage so I THINK you could do it. I am doing holly cross next weekend if you want to tag along.

I check out 4x4tails occasionaly but not often. I usually use it to find trails or read abou them.
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

um...yeah...let me know how that trail goes Alec.
 

Alec Wallis (Alec_w)
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Brian, if it's OK with you I would like to tag along next weekend. Saturday or Sunday? I got this thing about Holy Cross and wan't to be one of the first H2 to get past French Creak. Let me know the times and stuff and I will do my best be there.
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve,

Just to be sure, I checked over the sites for both the H2 and Tahoe Z-71. It appears that many of the H2 features you listed are available on the 2003 Tahoe. The chassis, lockers, t-case, engine, axles and basic suspension setup are verifiably the same or similar. After that, what do you have? Tires?

Anyways, my point was not to knock the H2, Tahoe, or anything else. Just get out and wheel and have fun with the damn thing!
 

George Collins (Zinhead)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I hear your point. But the Tahoe's or other GM's don't have the traction control system (that LR & H2 share in common), the rear height control, the rear locker, the air-suspension (they have an optional air-shocks, not suspension) which is better articulating. The linkages and shock set-up are different up front, we have reduced throttle sensitivity in 4LO, an alteration to the TC system called TC2, a superior transfer case, much heavier-duty frame with considerable reinforcement (which like your Disco's accounts for the weight)...and the list goes on.

If they did all that, GM did the right thing in developing the H2. Knowing GM, it is very unlikely they did the right thing.
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis...

I am tempted to use the "liar, liar pants on fire" rebuttal against you. TC2, height-control, the suspension, throttle sensitivity and signfiicant reinforcement on the frame/chassis....nothing you find or can get on the Tahoe. They do share significant similarities, but also have significant differences.

One guy in our group still has a decked-out Tahoe Z71 with all the upgrades. He says his H2 is much different and substantially better offroading.

GM didn't do the right thing...AMG did. Seriously...it's a good solid vehicle and we're having fun with it.

But in all fairness to this forum....this place is about Disco's and LR's, not H2's. When I come here I do so as a fellow offroader. I really would prefer not to discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of the H2.

 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve,

I think you missed my point entirely.

That being said, go have fun in your rig. I get shit on all the time by drivers of other makes. I really don't understand why people hold this brand-identity thing to such a high ideal. The reality is that it is just four patches of rubber meeting with terra-firma.
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

steve....you can talk about what ever you want here its general-non tech:-)

and nobody will ever call you unamerican

unless your french
 

Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Alec,

Sounds good. We are leaving the springs on Sat. around 7:30. give me a buzz or drop an e-mail
719 290 5003
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis....so what you're saying is that the H2 sucks? :-) kidding of course. I get it, I got it, thanks!

Hey Muskie...the thinking mans fish...long time no read, how ya been? hey.....in a complete straight-ahead driving situation...is posi-traction exactly as good as a locker?
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

nope

the problem comes when the difference in traction on either side surpasses the resistance to unlocking the clutches provide.

a posi-traction is my least favorite form of LSD for this reason.

I have been good...just real busy. how are you doing?...I have been following your threads and I must say it sounds like you have truley been bitten by the off-road bug.

thom
 

Steve R (Barton)
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I've been great, rig got keyed by environmentalist, but otherwise it's all good.

So you are saying that the wheel only turns until the load makes the clutch slip??? (could you elaborate)
 

Robert Sublett (Rubisco98)
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 05:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I saw my first LOWERED H2 here in Knoxville, TN yesterday. It was burgandy and gold, gold hood..burgandy doors.. and chromed out the butt. Not sure what size wheels they were but they were at least 20"... Wish I had a camera, you would have thought some young rapper was cruising Knoxville.. Later..RS
 

Christopher Boese (Christopher)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Yo playas - check this H2! He rollin' on 26's. http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=341134&make_type_quer y=make%3DHummer&model_brand_query=model%3DH2&tree=Hummer%20H2
 

Christopher Boese (Christopher)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

And you would think that this domain - http://www.hummerh2.org/ - would belong to some serious offroad H2 enthusiasts. Not quite.
 

Brian Dickens (Bri)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That is the most distgusting 4x4 I hvae ever seen.
 

Robert Sublett (Rubisco98)
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Holy Bling Bling... BlingMan 26"? That is crazy
 

John Moore (Jmoore)
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Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

OH, the horror! I bet that thing would rattle the teeth out of your head!

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