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Chris Gregg (Tofergregg)
New Member Username: Tofergregg
Post Number: 17 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:25 am: |
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Two days ago, my 96 disco (120K) turned over a couple of times and didn't start. On the third try, it fired up, and I didn't have any problems yesterday. Today it wouldn't start at all, so I had to get a ride to work. I am up in Maine, and it has been very, very humid (lots of fog), and a co-worker suggested it might be condensation and some dry-gas might do it. Other suggestions would be appreciated! -Chris
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Stephen Agnew (Sagnew7)
New Member Username: Sagnew7
Post Number: 18 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:44 am: |
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I was having the same problem with my 96 disco, I tried everything plugs, plug wires, fuel pump...well it ended up being my fuel rail, it was 80% congested, you might want to check that out. Lates Stephen |
   
Ron Johnson (Chauner)
New Member Username: Chauner
Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:12 am: |
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Just turn your key on and listen for the fuel pump kicking on...if you don't hear anything than that is the problem. Mine went the same way, one day it worked, the other day it didn't. |
   
Chris Gregg (Tofergregg)
New Member Username: Tofergregg
Post Number: 18 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:50 am: |
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How do you "listen for the fuel pump kicking on?" Where exactly is it located? I fear it may just be the pump. And what do you mean (Stephen) by the fuel rail? Thanks! |
   
Ron Johnson (Chauner)
New Member Username: Chauner
Post Number: 38 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:10 am: |
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Turn your key on but don't try to start it, listen to the back of the truck, the pump is under the carpet in the rear cargo area. If it is working, you'll hear a mechanical whining sound coming from the back. |
   
Tom Fioretti (Tom_in_md)
Member Username: Tom_in_md
Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:40 pm: |
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96D1 same issue. I've had this happen a few times over the past couple years, still not sure why. I had no fuel pump sound. After a few hours, started right up. I am beginning to suspect my alarm system. See a post I started yesterday. No replies, so I guess I'm alone in my theory. Would the fuel pump be totally out one time, then fine for a year, then out again? I would have thought it would be either a single, permanent failure, or chronic failures with increasing frequency. Sorry I'm no help. All I have are more questions. |
   
Bill Ross (Billr)
Member Username: Billr
Post Number: 82 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 03:02 pm: |
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Before you get too involved, check the easy stuff. I had the same thing happen on a couple of my vehicles. The battery was able to spin the fuel pump, work the windows etc., but not enough to even throw the solenoid. In one case, it turned out to be shorted plate in the battery which caused a serious drop in amperage and thus not enough amps to throw the solenoid. This appeared to be caused by high air temp that week. In the other, it was a corroded ground cable which had only a couple of strands of wire out of the entire cable still intact. Same result, enough power to do the basics but not enough to throw the starter. In both cases, the trucks worked perfect the day before, then nadda the next morning. |
   
Chris Gregg (Tofergregg)
New Member Username: Tofergregg
Post Number: 19 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 03:14 pm: |
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Interesting...the alarm system. I hadn't thought of that. I didn't know the alarm had a fuel cut-off switch, but maybe that is it...I'll check. Thanks for the info! -Chris
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todd powell (In4ma)
Member Username: In4ma
Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:47 am: |
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how do i check the fuel rail? is it easy to take off? our car is chugging a little. we just installed a new fuel pump. |
   
Phil Davidson (Bigbugga)
New Member Username: Bigbugga
Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 01:37 am: |
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Under the rear carpet area is all the plug's for the fuel pump. The conector's can work loose and cut in out out of their own free will. I had this happen a lot, had the alarm and fuel rail checked along with almost everything else we could think of. Happened across it by chance only. would never do it when I was checking the pump itself. You can tighten the plug but a better option is to just buy a new one.
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Chris Gregg (Tofergregg)
New Member Username: Tofergregg
Post Number: 20 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 07:48 am: |
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To get to "under the rear carpet," do you unscrew the screws that line the back edge, under the rear hatch? (I have GOT to get me a shop manual!). Cheers.
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John (Jroc)
Member Username: Jroc
Post Number: 138 Registered: 08-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:47 pm: |
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If his starter was going bad what would the difference be in symptoms? |
   
Chris Gregg (Tofergregg)
New Member Username: Tofergregg
Post Number: 21 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:27 pm: |
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Well, the LR is running again, but it is probably going to need a new fuel pump. The fix? The 'ol banging against the fuel tank with a rubber mallet while someone cranks the engine. Uh-oh, is what I say. A new pump is on order. My next question: I should get the pump by Friday, but I won't be able to install it until after my planned 7-hour drive on Sunday (then 7 hours back on Wednesday). Do I risk it with pump in hand (but not installed)? Will I need to drop the fuel tank to install it? I think I'll start a new thread for this one... |
   
Ron Johnson (Chauner)
Member Username: Chauner
Post Number: 42 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:33 pm: |
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No, you do not need to drop the tank. Changing the pump is quite simple...yes...you'll need to take a few screws out in the back to lift the rear carpet up. 1 hour max to change. |
   
Sean Arney (Seana)
Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana
Post Number: 21 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:16 pm: |
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From the sounds of it, Id recommend you do it now in the comfort of your own shop rather than on the highway...its not that big a deal to change it, but why not eliminate it while you can? -seanA |
   
Kevin Peindl (Kevindisco)
New Member Username: Kevindisco
Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 04:47 pm: |
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I just had the same symtoms on my 96 disco it would come and go out of no where mainly when it was humid I pulled my bat terminals and there was a thin layer of corrosion I could'nt see till I pulled them cleaned them up and haven't had any problems since. I think the humidity was lossening up the dirt making for a lose of power and the alarm transmitter not to work try that. |