| Author | Message | ||
     83benz (83benz) New Member Username: 83benz Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2003 |
98 Discovery. Have the workshop manual. I can find the fill plugs. They're near the top of the ball on the forward side, but no drain plugs?! Do I have to take the wheels off? Are they on the forward or aft side of the swivel ball? Thanks. | ||
| Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Senior Member Username: Jkatka Post Number: 268 Registered: 02-2002 |
I believe they did not put the drain in from 97 on because LR moved to a 1 time application of grease rather then the oil that they used in earlier models. So if you want to lubricate the bearings you need to pull the wheel off and do about 3~5 hours (I think) of work tearing down the swivels and repacking the bearings with grease. You may also need to purchase a hubnut tool and a few extra seals. This is all covered in the shop manual. JK | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) New Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2003 |
3-5 hours is pushing it. After doing it once you can have one side tore down in 20 min. You will need the 2 1/16" hub nut tool. Call Rovers North and get the tool (about 15.00 or less)and they also have the grease packs (something like 10.00 each). Or you can just use gear oil. While you have it tore down repack your hub bearings and replace the grease seal (like 3.00 each side). It is not a hard job, but it can get messy with all the grease. Also it is a good idea to replace the snap rings, or "C" clips on the end of the outter axle. Tools you may need: 13mm 12pt. socket for the brake caliper hub nut tool hammer screwdriver snap ring plyers 17mm socket for drive flange loctite | ||
| 83benz (83benz) New Member Username: 83benz Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2003 |
Thanks for all the info. I'll plan on re-lubing when I replace the front brake rotors. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 240 Registered: 04-2003 |
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| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 241 Registered: 04-2003 |
and that's your cv joint behind the silver curtain, not your bearings. if you want to lubricate your cv, you have to drain & refill the swivel ball. if your 98 doesn't have the drain, you're out of luck. you can drill & tap a drain in there, though. | ||
| Chad Mayes (Cmayes) Member Username: Cmayes Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2003 |
The filler-plug and drain-plug on my 95 are exactly as shown in pic above. The "square" nut that is used looks to be 13mm or 1/2". Is there a special socket to remove it or do people generally use an open end wrench? Mine are on there super tight and I'd like to get the best "bite" that I can and figure a square socket might be best. I know this subject has been beat to death, but is there a consensus on Grease vs. Gear oil vs. LR mixed stuff? Thanks for the help. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 242 Registered: 04-2003 |
grease is less likely to leak out of bad seals gear oil is easy to change, especially if you have the drain plug gear oil is easier in general, because you can run the same stuff in your diffs and swivs. Just buy a couple jugs of gear oil, and then proceed to fill your 3 diffs and 2 swivs. I run 85-140 in diffs & swivs. I change the swivs pretty frequently, and the grease that LR put in there was a pain in the ass to douche out of there. Now I just pull the fill & drain plugs, wait about 10 minutes, and refill. If you don't have a drain plug, or if you're running grease that is too viscous to drain out, how can you check the condition of the lubricant? I frequently loosen the drain plug, let a little bit of gear oil come out, see that it's in fine condition, and then replace the drain plug and forgetaboutit. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 243 Registered: 04-2003 |
oh, and I just used a 12-pt socket on the bolts. Mine weren't seized and came off fine. Maybe try spraying some anti-seize or wd-40 on there first, but be carefull about what you get inside the swiv housing (especially dirt & grit). | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2228 Registered: 10-2001 |
damn those are clean balls Blue. damn clean. | ||
| John W Petsch Jr (Jpetsch) New Member Username: Jpetsch Post Number: 29 Registered: 04-2003 |
On this topic, I am noticing some leaking from this general area-95 D1. Any ideas on a fix? Replace oil with grease? There is quite a bit of oil on the driver-front side while the pass-front looks like Blue's photo above... My driveway has also been effected. Is there any product to add to the oil to avoid leakage? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all!!!!! John | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2231 Registered: 10-2001 |
i switched from oil to grease and have yet to leak a thing with about 90K on my '96. going to do the same on my '88 RRC soon. oil is leaking on the one side. dealer also recommends switching to grease. how do the balls look? any pitting? | ||
| John W Petsch Jr (Jpetsch) New Member Username: Jpetsch Post Number: 31 Registered: 04-2003 |
No, the balls look fine. Is it just as simple as draining the oil thru the plug and refilling with grease? How do you know how much is enough grease? Thanks, jp | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2232 Registered: 10-2001 |
yes that simple. use the sight hole too. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 246 Registered: 04-2003 |
On this topic, I am noticing some leaking from this general area-95 D1. Any ideas on a fix? replace the seal | ||
| John W Petsch Jr (Jpetsch) New Member Username: Jpetsch Post Number: 32 Registered: 04-2003 |
What type of grease and how much???? I do not think I am capable of replacing the seal...... | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2234 Registered: 10-2001 |
it is part #stc3435 and is $11 from www.roverconnection.com or call your local dealer if you are within short commute. but don't neglect that seal around the swivel if it is actually what is causing the problem. might still leak if the seal is in poor enough condition and can make issues worse if left alone. get two packages of the grease. one package per side. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 321 Registered: 03-2003 |
"The "square" nut that is used looks to be 13mm or 1/2". Is there a special socket to remove it or do people generally use an open end wrench?" I've always used an adjustable wrench because I that's what I had handy. If you're looking for the exact socket to remove that square fastener, Snap-on makes "Double Square" sockets like so: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=2080&PartNo=f316& group_id=254&store=snapon-store&tool=all It's hard to tell in that pic, but the Double Square socket is an eight-point socket is made up of two squares. I don't know what size that fill plug is, but for a mere $10 it might be worth it to get one of these sockets for one's tool box. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 247 Registered: 04-2003 |
double square...cool | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 323 Registered: 03-2003 |
The Snap-on guy came by again last night, and I ordered the 1/2" double square socket in 3/8" drive. We'll see how it does on that fill plug. I measured the square on the fill plug, and it's definitely 1/2" and not 13mm. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 249 Registered: 04-2003 |
John, you're a true sport, test-driving Snap-on tools for the rest of us. Just like a junkie volunteering to test a new shipment of Columbia's finest. I admire your courage and sacrifice. LOL | ||
| Chad Mayes (Cmayes) Member Username: Cmayes Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
I always thought 1/2" and 13mm were the same? | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2241 Registered: 10-2001 |
sorta like Mary Kate and Ashley? sorry.  | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 255 Registered: 04-2003 |
0.5" & 13mm are almost the same, kinda like grain alcohol and rubbing alcohol. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 375 Registered: 02-2003 |
I wouldnt mine being a Snap On test pilot, anyone wanna sponser me | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 326 Registered: 03-2003 |
Phillip, I'll say the same thing to you here that I said when you asked for free DiscoWeb stickers. Try buying the things you want. Don't beg for them. Don't borrow them. Don't steal them. Buy them. Get a job. Make some money. Spend that money you worked hard to earn on the things you want. If you want something you can't afford, just go without it. As you get older and wiser, you will find that this simple formula will take you farther and be more enriching than begging, borrowing, or stealing. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 975 Registered: 09-2002 |
I am not so sure about stealing, John. There are some outstanding careers on everyone's display | ||
| dareDVL (Daredvl) Member Username: Daredvl Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2003 |
Geesh, the square plug comes off just fine with an open-end wrench. You don't need a special socket! | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 376 Registered: 02-2003 |
I was only kidding when I made the previous post, so dont bust my balls. As for the stickers o well. I have a job but dont make enough $$ to afford a box full of snap on tools or make many mods on my truck, none the less everything I have I got it fair without f****** anyone over or breaking any laws. As far as getting $$ stuff, I have the approach to get the best availible pay now or pay later. No cheaping it here | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2002 |
Blue, Thanks for posting that picture. I was all mixed up on what each bolt was.  | ||
| ken nishikawa (Scubaman99) Member Username: Scubaman99 Post Number: 55 Registered: 06-2002 |
Million dollar question... ive got a 95 with aprox 125K... ive NEVER seen / noticed my swivels leaking... nor have they ever complained in any way (god i hope im not jinx'ing my self) anyway, so is "swivel ball" maintenence a "if it aint broke, dont fix it" deal... should i be totally happy that they seem to be happy or should i start dumping and refilling them on a regular basis??? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 267 Registered: 04-2003 |
You should take a look in there and see if the grease/oil is milky (indicating water contamination). Changing it out can only be good, not bad. However, if grease is in there now and treating you right, then just renew the grease. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 352 Registered: 03-2003 |
The Snap-on guy delivered the 1/2" Double Square socket this afternoon. This one: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=2080&PartNo=f316& group_id=254&store=snapon-store&tool=all The F316 is different from the one pictured in that link and it totally exceeded my expectations. It's an eight-point socket, but I was expecting two perfect squares like the socket in that pic. It's not. It's an eight-point socket with a Flank Drive profile that drives the fastener on the flats rather than the points. It fits the fill plug perfectly. I'm very pleased. If you want the perfect tool for removing your fill plugs and torque wrenching them down properly, this is it. | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 423 Registered: 03-2002 |
face it john, you might as well go ahead and drive that snap-on truck a few days a week. at the very least, it will support your habit...;) mike | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 355 Registered: 03-2003 |
Actually, that's been offered to me. Our Snap-on guy owns multiple trucks and he wanted me to sell tools for him a few days a week. I declined but was flattered by the offer. One of these days EE will have a Snap-on franchise of its own. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 315 Registered: 04-2003 |
cool, how about some macro action? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 357 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ho has the camera today. When I get the camera back, I'll snap some macro pics for y'all. This socket is bad ass. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 319 Registered: 04-2003 |
oh, is Ho off snapping pics of hockey stars again? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 375 Registered: 03-2003 |
OK, here are some pics of the Double Square 1/2" socket. Here's the socket from the side: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06476.jpg The socket has the typical raised points and radiused flats that the Snap-on Flank Drive sockets have. Here's a top view of the socket: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06473.jpg Those four dark spots inside the socket are from the points on my swivel ball fill plug. This socket fits perfectly on the fill plug. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2003 |
I got a question. Is the CV grease from the local parts store ok to use? Has anybody tried it? | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 157 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thanks so much for answering my question. NOT!!! | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 631 Registered: 05-2002 |
Bill - I must have missed something. Is the fact that you posted a question enough to justify your thinking that you are owed an answer? Maybe you did not give enough info. Maybe others were too busy. Who knows? It might be more tactful to bump the post to the top rather than coming off like you are entitled to an answer. |
