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     Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Need to replace lug nuts on DII due to tire guys error? What is the stud size? Does anyone know of a better aftermarket nut that will work well? McGuard? Gorilla? Was hoping to find a set that will not give me the same problems that I have had with these. Someone Torque the covers off of mine. Nobody will claim responsibility. So my dime? Thanks. | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
Anyone? | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 347 Registered: 03-2003 |
Go to your local Land Rover dealer and buy new Genuine lug nuts. Then go to your local Snap-on guy and buy a proper socket for your lug nuts. Use a proper socket and the covers on the lug nuts will never give you trouble again, even if you use an impact wrench to remove your lug nuts. | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2003 |
Local Land Rover dealer thinks very highly of Land Rovers nuts! Why Snap-On! There are other tool makers! Proper socket is what I have had since I rotated the tires! The problem was with the tire shop! Not me! My only problem was not going with my normal tire guys! So again, does anyone know the stud size? Maybe 12mm? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1828 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yes they are a bit pricey Craig. If it were I...after purchasing a new set; I would take the receipt to the shop that did the damage. Ask for a refund or a couple of free oil changes. Check out www.roverconnection.com. or even www.discountrovers.com. Either one of those sites should be cheaper than a LR Dealer. Stay Genuine, Paul | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 348 Registered: 03-2003 |
"Stay Genuine" LOL, Paul. I don't think that's what he wants to hear. | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 605 Registered: 06-2002 |
I had a tire shop distroy a full set of lugs and they replaced them free of charge. They should of and your shop should also, it is the fault of the people they employ and therefor it is their resposability. I would push this issue and please post the name so we don't go there. I used Discount Tire and they where happy to take care of it. DII lugs are 27mm but this is what John Lee wrote on a previous thread regarding the same problem and question.
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| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 314 Registered: 04-2003 |
at a stoplight the other day I look down at the P.O.S.'s rim next to me. He had 11 mounting holes in his rim (5 original, 6 custom drilled to fit the hub), 6 studs poking through the 6 custom holes, 5 lug nuts of 3 different types. One was actually a frickin wing nut! I hung back and prayed that I would get to see his wheel fly off on the turn. But God must not love me.... Stay Genuine, Blue | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 179 Registered: 03-2002 |
"...Someone Torque the covers off of mine" In a parking lot, or did you recently have some tire work done? I have snow tires mounted in winter and removed in the spring by a Bridgestone/Firestone dealer in Denver, and I've never had a problem. FWIW - I usually inspect the work done before I leave the shop, whether it's a tire dealer, muffler shop, or LR dealer, just to make sure nothing's screwed up. Plus, it's easy to make your case while you're still there, once you drive off - it's your word against their's. | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2003 |
Points well taken. I should have paid closer attention before I left the tire shop. I got home and checked air pressures, they were all different. One valve stem did not get replaced. Should have suspected more. I didn't inspect the lug nuts that well. I really wouldn't have thought that they could have been dorked up so bad! When I got to LR dealer to see the damage. It was quite obvious. Funny thing is LR called my tire shop and their GM said that my Lug Nuts were bad when I came in. So my question to them will be why did they not inform me prior to making the problem worse. I think I know the answer to this. They want no responsibility. So I guess I will have to pay for my mistake of dealing with those guys!? Thanks for the info and advice. | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 609 Registered: 06-2002 |
Craig, what is the name of the shop? You are right in thinking they should have told you about the problem before they worked on it, if the problem existed at that time. I went to Discount Tire to have them rotate my tires after I had brought to there attention the lug nut problem. I was accually there to pick up the lugs from them and decided to have them rotate the tires once more before I put the new ones on. One of the techs came out and advised me of the lug problem before they worked on it. I told hin I was there picking a new set up that day but thanks. That is called covering your ass and if they did not do that, they should still be resposable. let me put it this way, if you went to a shop to have work done and he noticed a cut in you brake lines and did not say anything, he should have before you drove away. Otherwise he is opening himself up for a lawsuit. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 359 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, You can avoid these problems simply by buying one of these: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=3491&PartNo=im340 &group_id=399&store=snapon-store&tool=all For a measley $17, you can avoid your lug nut problems. Your trucks' lug nuts were mangled by someone who didn't have the proper socket. Chuck your POS factory lug wrench and toss it into your backup or cheap shit tool bin. Replace your factory lug wrench with that IM340 socket and a breaker bar: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=63580&group_ ID=349&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog Leave the breaker bar and impact socket in your truck all the time, just as you would your factory lug wrench. These two items will undo the tightest lug nuts around and will not snap like the factory lug wrench. Even better, when you go to the tire shop, take out your impact socket and hand it to the tire guy and insist that he use it when he removes and tightens your lug nuts. That way, he will be sure to use the proper socket and not mangle your lug nuts with his impact wrench. Most shops do not have the proper 17/16" impact socket. Most shops will use 27mm or, even worse, 1 1/8". Even if they have the 17/16" impact socket, it might not be a six-point flank drive socket like the Snap-on IM340. God forbid they should use a 12-point socket on the very soft and very rounded factory lug nuts. Make sure your socket is an impact socket and not a chrome socket of the same size like this: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=3002&group_I D=358&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog Any legit shop will refuse to use the their impact wrench with your chrome socket, both for their own safety and for fear of shattering your socket. $100 for the impact socket and breaker bar sound like a lot of money, but you will save money and heartache in the end. You will not have to keep buying the expensive Genuine lug nuts. You will avoid headaches and arguments with the tire shops about your damaged lug nuts. You will never have to buy another POS factory lug wrench. You will not have to go to the hospital when your factory lug wrench snaps and you mash your hand into something sharp or hard and you have to call the tow truck because you can't replace your punctured tire. It'll be cheaper in the end to go first class. | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 610 Registered: 06-2002 |
$100 is cheaper than a new set of lugs thats for sure. I already bought a 17x16" impact socket from SnapOn for that reason. The breaker bar is on order, thanks! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 361 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ooh la la. Eric's going Uptown. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 364 Registered: 03-2003 |
You already got this action: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05748.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05653.jpg Soon you'll be getting some of this action: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05753.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05756.jpg Enjoy your new tools. Just don't get too hooked on the Snap-on love. Otherwise, soon you'll be wanting this: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05654.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05760.jpg | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 115 Registered: 02-2003 |
Snap-on and Omega Porn.. what more can you ask for.. http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC05760.jpg -leo | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 367 Registered: 03-2003 |
You love it. For me, these two are ultimate OMEGA/Snap-on action/porn/gallery shots of all time: http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-3/hires/iss003e5415. jpg http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-107/hires/s107e05832. jpg It just doesn't get any better than that. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 279 Registered: 02-2003 |
If you paid by credit card you have a come back right there! Go get 'em | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2003 |
Should have thought of that. Paid with check! I haven't even tried to reason with the guys yet. LR has had my truck ever since the tires were put on. I would find it hard to argue with no visual aid! | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2002 |
Craig, Sounds like this shop has some issues. If they are part of a regional, or national chain, you may have to fight your way up the customer service ladder, but may get reimbursed, or at least something for your trouble. If it's a locally owned, one man deal, you may be S.O.L. I've found calm and reasonable works better than starting out hot-headed and demanding. Tell them about the unequal pressures and the stem too. Write a letter documenting your troubles and send it to the corporate headquarters, if you are dealing with a chain store. Good luck! I'm replacing the brake pads on my D2 next week, just ordered the $100 Snap-on bar and socket to make that job easier. Funny thing, when the "sales guide" from LR gives you the pitch about the size and quality of the lug nuts on a Discovery, they don't show you the piece of shit lug wrench you have to use to remove them. And, if the lugs have been over-tightened at a tire shop, the factory wench will never remove them! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 368 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ooh, Jack's going Uptown too. This is sweet. | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 613 Registered: 06-2002 |
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| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 181 Registered: 03-2002 |
I bought a Craftsman torque wrench years ago, and used it on a couple of engine rebuilds. Then, three years ago it breaks (something inside in mechanism). As was covered in a recent thread, Sears won't warranty this as a hand tool. Unfortunately I needed it right then so I had no choice. After bitching with the manager for 30 minutes, they finally sold me one at a discount, don't remember what kind of deal it was, but that was my last Craftsman purchase of any kind. I had kept the torque wrench in it's storage case, and always reset it to zero before storing it. I was more pissed that it broke when I really needed it than I was pissed at Sear's attitude. Bottom line, I bought a crappy tool the first (and second) time around. But no more.. You only have to buy quality one time  | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 371 Registered: 03-2003 |
This is the one I'm dying to get: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=8379&group_I D=957&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog I really can't say that Sears screwed you. I think those Craftsman torque wrenches have like a one-year warranty. Whatever the warranty is, it's definitely not lifetime like the hand tools. I think Snap-on is the same way. The hand tools have a lifetime warranty but usually anything with a serial number on it such as an air ratchet, impact wrench, torque wrench, etc. has a limited warranty, usually one year. Still, I doubt that QT torque wrench will crap out on you like your Craftsman. | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 200 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi John Good choice, as used by myself, both big and small. Pete S  | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 372 Registered: 03-2003 |
Damn, that's Uptown. I also love that butcher block top on the KRL. We're still using the rubber top on ours. Some day.... | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 202 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi John My dealer gave me the top for free, when I bought the rollcab. What you could do is stick two bits of 3/4 MDF together and drop it on top, or skin it with a sheet of aluminium, it will do until then. The top gets a real hammering and still looks new. And I say to you boys with your cheap mickey mouse tools, strive to own the best, for you are only as good as the tools in your hands. John, I admire your dedication to the cause, but there will always be some who will never understand, for them I think of crushed, broken, torn and grazed knuckles. components broken or overstressed and rounded fasteners. Every day these people entrust there work on a machine, which travels at 80mph, shifting 2 tons of metal, a missile. I owe it to my family, that I get them all home safely. All the best Pete S | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2003 |
I've had crappy tools that break! But given the proper tool for the job I've never dorked up a fastener because of a lower quality tool. Mostly because I used the wrong tool. ViseGrips and Channel Locks are great GP tools. However they are not for everything! So it seems that the improper socket for LR lugs seems to dork up the lugs! That makes great sense! Atlantic British seems to have a fairly good deal on a set of lugs for the Disco. Why haven't they been recommended yet? Just curious? Price seems good to me? | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Member Username: Jack Post Number: 184 Registered: 03-2002 |
Craig, I've purchased from AB, they are a fine vendor. But from upstate NY to CO (for me) takes longer than some of the other suppliers. And, sometimes my dealer is very resonable on parts and I don't have to wait. Nice set-up Pete, looks like that cabinet it full! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 374 Registered: 03-2003 |
"John, I admire your dedication to the cause, but there will always be some who will never understand...." You mean like these guys?: "Why Snap-On! There are other tool makers!" - "Craig" "What would make the Snap-On brand better, because they cost more? Because NASA uses them? Because that must be John Lee's tool of choise? If both are quality tools and have a lifetime warrenty, whats the problem?" - D. Chapman "I haven't seen any proof that an $90 Snap-On wrench is better than a $30 Craftsman." - James P. Groom | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2003 |
Like all things quality has to be weighed with cost and usage. If I used my hand tools daily (like a mechanic) then absolutely I would want the best tools money could buy. However for a shade tree like myself and my LR dealer (He Haw) craftsmen, stanely, kobalt, etc will work just fine. By the way I have a few Snapon tools in my box from a previous life. All a still good tools. My new lugs are on the way along with a service manual. Warranty is gone got to fix what I can on my own now. Thanks for all the info and support. Still have to officially complain to the tire store. "Gateway Tires". | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 378 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, that $17 impact socket is really expensive. The Craftsman one is only $8. So you'll save a whole $9. Woohoo! | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 204 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi John Give up, they just don`t get it, I often wonder why they bought a truck that needs constant input. Pete S | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 381 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL. I think you're right. | ||
| James P Groom (Jpg) New Member Username: Jpg Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2003 |
John Lee The Craftsman torque wrench has a 90 day warranty, the Pro line has a 2 year and the beam model warranty is not listed. By the way I was shopping for a Snap-On torque wrench, which one would you suggest for general maintenance to start with? | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
I see your point! Snapon = $17 Craftsmen = $8 Now if I had to buy a complete set of either reckon that would make a big difference in price! Hell! Who needs that extra money? It's not like I need to buy parts for the truck anyway! Try this on for size. You need a tool for one specific purpose. Maybe you realize that you will only need it this one time. Do you buy the best one you can afford. Borrow from a friend. Or go for middle of the road on the tool. Personally if I can borrow something and not have to buy a tool I may never need again that's the way I go. Talking about say a more expensive tool. Maybe $50 up. If I need it again. Then maybe I'll buy it. Now if no-one has the tool I need, what choice do I have. Go to a local tool center and hope they have what I need. When I worked in a shop and the Snap-On man came by. I would try to have a list of needs or wants. Nothing quite like a moving candy store! Oh! By the way! Can I borrow that socket and wrench for awhile? That'd be Great! | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 205 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Craig The point is this, the LR will not be the only vehicle you ever own or work on. You should try to build up a good set of tools that are basics, wrenches and socket etc. A torque wrench is something you should use on every job. Snap on has an apprentice starter program for this very reason, start small and build up. For sure there may be some tools you will only use once or twice, but before you dismiss this as wrong to purchase them, ask how much a dealer charges to do the job. You can do the job yourself and learn something about yourself and your truck, save money, and have the satisfaction of rewarding yourself with a quality tool. Its all win-win. If you can borrow tools from a friend that is OK, but I personally never lend my tools out, but am happy for friends to come around and we work on things together, without my tools leaving the premises. Pete S | ||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 507 Registered: 02-2002 |
Pete- You should heed your previous advice to John.  | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 386 Registered: 03-2003 |
"Snapon = $17 Craftsmen = $8 Now if I had to buy a complete set of either reckon that would make a big difference in price!" Who said anything about a whole set? You're so lost it's unreal. You'll go out of your way to make a ridiculous point, just so as not to appear to be a cheap ass. I told you to buy ONE impact socket. One. And I retract my previous advice to you about the impact socket and breaker bar. My advice to you now is to keep your mangled lug nuts. If you're using Vise Grips and Channel Lock's all over your truck, then keep the mangled lug nuts on your wheels. At least all of your fasteners will match. And no, you can't borrow our tools. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 998 Registered: 09-2002 |
Pete, I am too, but I end up working on their vehicles instead of mine. So I'd rather lend my tools and get a beer | ||
| Craig (Cabzjam1) New Member Username: Cabzjam1 Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2003 |
I have no reason to hide being a cheap ass you Jack ass! My only point to you (John) is that not everyone needs to buy snap-on! Unfortunately you are so caught up in your justification for your snap-on tools that you just can't shut-up about them. My question at the top of this post was: Need to replace lug nuts on DII due to tire guys error? What is the stud size? Does anyone know of a better aftermarket nut that will work well? McGuard? Gorilla? Although I appreciate all the tool advice that has been given. That's not what I asked! I have not bashed any tool brand at all. I could careless if you get your tools blessed by the POPE! If it works for you great! However just because it's the only brand you like doesn't mean it's the only brand! Sorry to rile you so bad. That was not my intention. Just trying to make a small point that didn't really matter anyway. | ||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 516 Registered: 02-2002 |
Answer: Replace with genuine lug nuts and buy the right tool so it doesn't happen again | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1000 Registered: 09-2002 |
actually, the stock lug wrench, however ugly it may be, does the job. If the nuts were overtorqued a lot or sitting untouched for years, a hi-lift jack handle slipped over the stock wrench would do it. (one of very few uses of hi-lift jack and accessories that I can think of). | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 206 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Peter Stock wrench would bend and twist possibly snap, if you exert that amount of torque on it. The stock wrench is made of toffee. Pete S | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1003 Registered: 09-2002 |
I've tried it and it worked, and it did not twist despite me having to stand on the end of the cheater bar. | ||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 517 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yes, but how many times will it withstand that kind of force before it starts to weaken? My OEM lug wrench is bent already from having to loosen overtorqued lug nuts. I decided I didn't want to take the chance of having that metal snap while trying to break a lug nut loose, so I opted for the IM 3100 action with a 18" breaker as backup |
