| Author | Message | ||
     Jamie (Rover_puppy) Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 164 Registered: 05-2003 |
I have the LR safari lamps 5000 on my front bumper. The dealership installed them for me and there is a push switch to turn them on. The switch is on the left and the 3rd switch down. The switch has a "2" in the headlight picture on the switch. The way they are hooked up, my bright lights and both fog light switches must be pushed in for the aux lights to come on. Since the safari lights are not strong enough, I am replacing them with Hella 4000 cornering lights. They arrived from EE with the Hella wiring harness that is needed to install them. I am wondering if I can install them myself by following the way that the safari lamps were installed -- by taking that stuff off and putting the new light stuff on?? Is that a hard job to do?? Also, rear Hella worklamp recommended by John Lee arrived in the same order. Can I install that by myself?? Thanks, Jamie | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 619 Registered: 06-2002 |
Jamie, I don't know of the voltage of the Safari's but if you think they are not brought enouph, then it is probably not as high a voltage as the 4000's. If the wires for the 5000's are not rated to handle the high voltage then it is not recommended as you will burn wires and such. It can be a big job but only 2 should not be too bad. The best thing to do is wire them up with the Hella harness and directy to the battery. You can use the switch by reading the following link. http://www.discoweb.org/lights/ The rear lamp is pretty easy. I am pretty sure it will not need heavy duty wires. I did a backup lamp in about and hour. Good luck!! | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 171 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks Eric, They do require different wires, at least I think that is what the wiring harness does. I know I had to order that for the reasons you mentioned. I looked under the hood to see where the present light wires go and I could not tell anything and broke a clip in the process while I was looking under the battery cover. I think I am just going to have the dealership do it. I don't think I'm cut out to do this kind of stuff. I tried an "easy job" today with wiring to fix my CB to work like I want it to and now I don't even know how to put all that mess back together. I am beginning to think that my personal rover tech skills MO is: fix one thing, break 3 in the process? I keep thinking that surely I can figure out how to do some of these things so that I don't have to pay to have them done. I seem to have several "open" jobs going on my rover - I move around between them when I can't figure out what to do next. It might be about time to schedule a service appt so that real techs can finish up. But wait, you said rear lamp was pretty easy??? Maybe I will try THAT tomorrow?? In my own defense and also to console myself-- at least I am trying, and I know I AM learning about my rover -- I just don't know if I am learning anything useful? I sure wish they would let me "help" at the dealership so that I could learn about these things better. Thanks again, Jamie | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 631 Registered: 06-2002 |
Jamie, as far as I know all Rover dealers allow the customers in the shop to observe. Ask and you might be able to watch as they install the lights. If you are just starting out on electrical stuff then maybe wiring 4000's might be better left to someone else. Maybe watch them and then tackle the back-up light. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1518 Registered: 04-2002 |
Eric is right. The wires for the OEM 5000's can't handle the needs of the 4000's. You'll need to rewire or use the installed wires to trigger a relay to the new harness. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 152 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jamie want to sell the LR lights? Are those the big ones? If so Shoot me a price. | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 245 Registered: 02-2003 |
Don't confuse voltage with amperage. All light's run off 12 volt. Actually it's a little bit higher than 12 volts, but use 12 volts when you figure out the amperage. The formula is: Wattage = Voltage x Amperage We already know that Voltage = 12. Wattage depends on your bulbs, the physical size of your light has nothing to do with it. If you have 55 watt bulbs, the amperage will be 55/12 = 4.58amperes per light. The 4K's usually come with a 100watt bulb, thus the amperage is 100/12 = 8.3 amperes per light. If the wattage of your new lights are the same as the lights you are replacing, you can use the same wires. If not, you probably want to use a relay. That being said, I found that the guage of the wire inside my 4k's are the same as the gauge used on the harness the dealer used when they installed my fog lights, and have been running my 4k's off that for years without any hint of fire. Proceed at your own risk, however. If you have a rudimentary understanding of electrics, installing lights is easy. If not, you will be most likely be confused. Rule of thumb; when selecting wire guage, bigger is better. A thicker wire can handle a higher load than a thin one, same principle as your water pipe. I usually use 12 or 10 guage for a 30amp circuit. Always make sure you fuse your circuits, too. - Axel | ||
| Eric (Epuffy) Member Username: Epuffy Post Number: 55 Registered: 07-2003 |
I would just run the new wires and relay that came with the new Hella set. It should be really easy, just follow the instructions on where each wires should go. Should be really simple, and if you get stuck or don't know what to do, you always have Discoweb! Or you are welcome to e-mail me and I can help you out. I just wired some new foglights on my truck about a month ago. Cheers, Eric | ||
| Eric Pena (Evalp) Senior Member Username: Evalp Post Number: 632 Registered: 06-2002 |
Volts, amps, woops. thanks Axel. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 206 Registered: 05-2003 |
Gosh, I just wandered down here and found I missed some posts, I thought this thread was gone. I am going to have dealership do the lights, They are having a busy week there, I hope to get in shop for new lights next week sometime. I gladly promised to be flexible on timing of all my install work in exchange for lower rates per hour. So, I kind of stay "on call" for when their schedule opens up. That was an excellent suggestion to watch, I just may do that. Yes Bill, I am more than willing to sell lights when they are removed and 4000's are installed. There are the big ones 5000 genuine safari lights. I have the hella 4000 wiring harness and it will replace the 5000 wiring harness that I purchased when they were installed, so I'd send that along too. The lights are in perfect condition, they've only been on for maybe 6 months. They just aren't strong enough for where I intend to go and I don't want lights on my roofrack in the front. The only thing I don't have are any instructions that came along with them - I never even saw if there were any. I have no clue what to sell them for. If you are interested, send me email what you think would be fair price for both of us. I'm sure I could get them packaged up and shipped out. It Would be nice to have the opportunity to give sales percentage donation to Dweb. If you do email me, it is best to identify yourself in subject line. All unknown or questionable email is automatically removed from my system without my ever seeing it. Thanks, Jamie | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 207 Registered: 05-2003 |
It's never too late to be a pirate!!  | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) New Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2003 |
Well i didnt get around to stick set of off-road lights on my Disco' yet, as i have mechanical stuff to sort out before. But i did tucked them on my XTerra. Basically its pretty simple to put another set of lights, just make sure you protected wiring from being ripped off by suddent things - -darn easy in Discovery - its got plenty of space to run wiring. If your Hellas came with whole harness kit - you got only two things to worry about - 1) good ground for them. Can be solved by putting (-) directly to battery terminal, or by screwing it to Disco's body somewhere under hood. 2) draining your batteries dead. I am not sure what you have, but you might consider (i seen you putting cb there too) jucier battery than regular ones (again - no idea what stock is like, but i will replace one that i got from previous owner with Champion XLT Orbital asap - will give better startup and more power. other than that.. You shouldnt have much problems with reusing wiring for button that dealer put in your truck. Or if it comes to worse - just wiring it yourself. It would be like 1-2 hour job tops. Those harness kits are very convinient. |
